Black Twitter: A People’s History - Our Perspective

[00:00:00] What's up fam, we are back for another episode of Recap Kickback.

[00:00:21] I'm your host Chappelle and I'm bringing you another TV series review, this time addressing

[00:00:26] something that is near and dear to my heart.

[00:00:29] That's right, we're talking about Black Twitter colon A People's History on Hulu.

[00:00:34] This is a documentary that we were told is going to talk about all the intricacies of

[00:00:38] Black Twitter, how we got here, where we came from and what's happening next.

[00:00:43] And I was very concerned.

[00:00:44] I was like, oh no, not my baby, not Black Twitter.

[00:00:46] We don't need to talk about this in front of everybody.

[00:00:48] But they did, they released a series and so now I got to talk about them talking about

[00:00:52] it.

[00:00:53] And with me, my normal co-host for most of the things we do here on Recap Kickback, Tyrone

[00:00:57] is back.

[00:00:58] What's up T?

[00:00:59] What's happening?

[00:01:00] I'm here to talk about Black Twitter.

[00:01:01] I'm here with a different perspective because I didn't jump on Black Twitter early on.

[00:01:06] So I'm a late, I'm a late adopter, I guess of it.

[00:01:09] So I'm interested in everybody's historical reference with Black Twitter.

[00:01:14] Of course.

[00:01:15] Yeah.

[00:01:16] You weren't with us shooting in the gym.

[00:01:17] So I need to see what you think about some of these older Twitter tales that I'm sure

[00:01:20] we're about to get into Tyrone.

[00:01:23] But Nicole, I know you were out there.

[00:01:26] I know you was in these Twitter streets.

[00:01:28] We have Nicole from Black Bioreality back again.

[00:01:30] Nicole, welcome back.

[00:01:31] Thank you for having me.

[00:01:34] I'm so excited to talk about this.

[00:01:36] So many throwbacks with this documentary.

[00:01:40] It does make you think of your own personal history along with the timeline.

[00:01:45] And again, I'm very interested because we've been on Twitter for a long time.

[00:01:51] They talk about the dates, they go way back to the heyday of Twitter.

[00:01:54] And I'm thinking, man, has it been that many years?

[00:01:56] How many sagas?

[00:01:57] How many errors have we've done?

[00:01:59] Have we done on Twitter?

[00:02:00] It's really time to break all of that down and talk about, you know, our perspective

[00:02:05] of this and how the documentary covered it.

[00:02:08] And for the first time here on Recap Kickback, we have Jay West from the Wild West YouTube

[00:02:13] channel.

[00:02:14] Jay West, what's up, man?

[00:02:15] What's up, everybody?

[00:02:16] Yes.

[00:02:17] Welcome.

[00:02:18] I'm thankful to be here.

[00:02:19] He pulled me straight out of Black Twitter, actually.

[00:02:21] I feel like I'm still stuck there.

[00:02:25] I'm kind of like Tyrone, though.

[00:02:27] I hopped on it late, but I always knew about it.

[00:02:29] So, you know, I'm thankful to be here.

[00:02:32] This is going to be a fun topic.

[00:02:33] I'm excited.

[00:02:34] I'm excited.

[00:02:35] This is going to be so fun.

[00:02:36] I've been trying to get Jay West on for a while.

[00:02:38] Jay West has a project that I'll talk about a little bit later on in the podcast coming

[00:02:42] up.

[00:02:43] And so we're trying to get this collaboration going.

[00:02:44] I'm very excited that we got here.

[00:02:46] But we do have business to handle.

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[00:03:27] But speaking of, okay, let's talk about Black Twitter.

[00:03:31] Black Twitter, a people's history.

[00:03:34] This documentary, coming into it, a lot of people on Twitter were concerned.

[00:03:38] They were talking about, hey, is this something we should be even discussing in the wider media?

[00:03:45] Black Twitter was very much its own thing.

[00:03:48] Everybody was, we were in our own little bubble for a while and then white people started

[00:03:51] slowly like asking questions about it, poking around, kind of joining in the conversations.

[00:03:57] And now we have a whole docu-series talking about the rise and fall of Twitter and Black

[00:04:03] Twitter for that matter.

[00:04:04] Nicole, do you think this is too precious for us to be diving into in the form of docu-series

[00:04:09] this soon?

[00:04:10] No.

[00:04:12] I think the end point that we have with this series, it makes sense why it was even done

[00:04:20] and why now.

[00:04:23] And I think a theme that we had throughout the episodes was Twitter wasn't made by us,

[00:04:30] but we took it and made it our own and grew it basically.

[00:04:37] So we still feel some form of ownership.

[00:04:40] And I think no matter where Twitter goes from here, it's nice to have something that puts

[00:04:47] our stamp of like, we were here, this is what it is and it will be remembered then.

[00:04:53] There were a lot of talking heads in this docu-series.

[00:04:58] You know, they're very respectable talking heads.

[00:05:01] There's some people that some people follow and hang on to their every word.

[00:05:03] There's some people that these people don't like and they don't like their words or whatever,

[00:05:07] but they had so many big names that I felt like, okay, Prentice Penny's involved.

[00:05:11] Jason Parham's Wired article of People's History of Black Twitter is where they got this idea

[00:05:16] from.

[00:05:17] It feels like the roots are there to make this a decent docu-series that doesn't feel

[00:05:21] like, okay, we're pulling back the curtain too much and we're not doing our job as gatekeepers.

[00:05:26] But J-West, what did you think?

[00:05:27] Did you enjoy this series and this history lesson in Black Twitter?

[00:05:31] Yeah, I loved it because it seemed like actually the kickback.

[00:05:35] It felt like a conversation that everyone was just, you know, shooting the shit about.

[00:05:40] And it was a big reminder on how important that, you know, Twitter is and how people

[00:05:46] of color, us, as Black people, we are a big impact on the world.

[00:05:50] And I loved it because it shows how, you know, social media is still a big thing and the

[00:05:56] diverse everything.

[00:05:59] It was just so precious to me because I'm still a troll and I'm like, yo, where is

[00:06:04] my people?

[00:06:05] Like, oh, it's X now.

[00:06:06] All right, damn, fuck.

[00:06:08] But I just loved it all the way.

[00:06:10] Yeah, it felt like a kickback in a lot of segments even, like you said, J-West.

[00:06:15] Tyrone, they put them in little circles where they would allow these Twitter personalities

[00:06:19] who I don't know if they know each other in real life, but they got to sit them down across

[00:06:23] the table and really start to reminisce on some of Twitter's biggest moments, some of

[00:06:28] the social change that led to Twitter becoming what it became and then led to it now being

[00:06:34] X. But you're new here.

[00:06:36] You are a recent adopter of Twitter.

[00:06:38] You joined, you were instantly, I'm guessing, just engulfed in Black Twitter because it's

[00:06:43] hard to not be.

[00:06:44] What did you think?

[00:06:45] Did you learn a lot?

[00:06:46] Do you feel like you have a better appreciation for Black Twitter now that you've seen this?

[00:06:50] Absolutely.

[00:06:51] I think it was a huge history lesson for me personally.

[00:06:54] All of the memes and the quotes and things like that I have seen before, but I didn't

[00:06:59] know the origins of a lot of these things.

[00:07:02] So to be able to see that they want to take history out of schools in a lot of places.

[00:07:06] So we got to create our own history.

[00:07:09] I appreciate this docuseries.

[00:07:12] It was short.

[00:07:13] It was very entertaining.

[00:07:15] It didn't lose me in any part of the process.

[00:07:18] And so I truly appreciate it.

[00:07:19] I thought the amount of people that came and wanted to talk about Black Twitter was pretty

[00:07:25] dope as well.

[00:07:26] And I truly think it's probably a way for them to say, hey, don't go nowhere.

[00:07:31] We're still here.

[00:07:32] Like, let's revive it.

[00:07:34] Don't let that man take it away from us is probably where they're trying to go with it.

[00:07:38] So I'm hopeful and maybe it'll come back and maybe I could be a little bit more a part of

[00:07:42] it because I wasn't really a part of it for long.

[00:07:45] I mean, that's a good point.

[00:07:47] The end of the docuseries does pose the question, what's next?

[00:07:50] Where do we go after X?

[00:07:52] Where do we go after?

[00:07:53] Is there a Black X?

[00:07:54] Is there a new thing that we're going to adopt after that?

[00:07:58] And I personally am always looking for the new thing.

[00:08:00] Whatever it is, I want to be there and I want to find my community.

[00:08:03] We tried it.

[00:08:05] That's my question.

[00:08:06] Clubhouse.

[00:08:07] That was...

[00:08:08] Oh, okay.

[00:08:09] There was Black Clubhouse for a while.

[00:08:10] J-West, did you try to hop on one of the other Twitter apps?

[00:08:13] Was it Blitter?

[00:08:14] Was it one of the other Black Twitter apps that popped up?

[00:08:17] What was the other one?

[00:08:19] Dang, Threads.

[00:08:20] I think...

[00:08:21] No, Threads is still...

[00:08:22] Phil.

[00:08:23] Phil.

[00:08:24] Phil.

[00:08:25] There's still one.

[00:08:26] I love the real...

[00:08:27] So when they...

[00:08:28] I don't know.

[00:08:31] Maybe it's me.

[00:08:32] Obviously, Black Twitter to me isn't going anywhere.

[00:08:36] I know it died to where people are so...

[00:08:42] Where they feel like it's just our thing, but everyone knows about it.

[00:08:45] And it's dope because they can continue to keep talking.

[00:08:48] Yeah, he bought X and changed the name, but we still have so much proof that we have a

[00:08:53] say.

[00:08:54] Like they said in the documentary, they're pulling receipts.

[00:08:56] We still make a joke out of everything.

[00:08:58] It's funny because it's like a nod.

[00:09:01] We know what a nod means.

[00:09:02] Not everyone knows what a nod means.

[00:09:04] We can invite our other friends and it's like, yeah, y'all can come to the block party or

[00:09:08] whatever, but we're going to be busting balls the whole time.

[00:09:13] It's nothing serious to us, but it's some things big and serious.

[00:09:15] We did have an impact on a lot of things.

[00:09:17] I enjoyed it.

[00:09:18] Yeah.

[00:09:19] It's all jokes on Black Twitter.

[00:09:20] But Nicole, I did not make the jump to spill.

[00:09:23] So I created a spill account.

[00:09:25] But then I read the room, I looked around and said, all right, where my people at?

[00:09:30] And everybody had made the jump.

[00:09:32] So I kind of went back home and it felt like nobody really left Twitter to go to one of

[00:09:39] these other apps.

[00:09:40] Are you still getting the spill notifications?

[00:09:41] I am.

[00:09:42] It's like the little banners.

[00:09:43] They feel like advertisements because it will be like an obviously Black movie and they'll

[00:09:51] be like, oh, come over here and like spill your thoughts.

[00:09:56] And I'm just like, no, thank you.

[00:09:58] I don't know why it's still on my phone.

[00:10:02] I think it's like hope.

[00:10:03] It's like, I really don't like that man.

[00:10:06] But to me, I don't know.

[00:10:10] I'm still on Twitter.

[00:10:11] And it's Twitter.

[00:10:12] You still have to type in twitter.com to get to that.

[00:10:15] Not no X.

[00:10:16] So it's going to be Twitter and I'm going to say Twitter.

[00:10:19] Right.

[00:10:20] His mama called him Twitter.

[00:10:21] I don't give a damn about that man.

[00:10:22] We're going to call this shit Twitter.

[00:10:23] Exactly.

[00:10:24] My daddy can't make me say nothing.

[00:10:26] But Nicole, why do you think spill doesn't, I won't say doesn't work, but why do you feel

[00:10:31] like the mass exit is away from Twitter that everybody is clamoring for?

[00:10:35] I will speak for me.

[00:10:37] The moment y'all tell me there's a viable option that we can go to, that I ain't got

[00:10:41] to deal with Elon's nonsense and all these bots in the news, in the bio and all that

[00:10:46] stuff.

[00:10:47] Bro, the moment show me where the promised land is, Nicole.

[00:10:49] But why haven't we found it yet?

[00:10:53] I think it has to feel organic.

[00:10:56] I think when everyone was talking about leaving and going somewhere else, different options

[00:11:03] came up.

[00:11:04] And it was just, everyone had, I think a criticism for whatever the option was.

[00:11:09] Like first of all, threads is just Instagram, which is then just Facebook.

[00:11:13] And we don't like that man either.

[00:11:16] And then when it comes to spill, I think the criticism I heard first was like how it tries

[00:11:25] to interact with you and get things going.

[00:11:28] It does feel like it's catering to black people.

[00:11:31] But then I don't know if the creators are necessarily black, which like Twitter, obviously

[00:11:37] it's not, but it's just, it already organically happened on Twitter.

[00:11:41] Yeah.

[00:11:42] I like it because I don't know, but I don't want to say nobody age.

[00:11:48] I feel like it's just to where we're to that point now.

[00:11:50] We're just, we want to stay.

[00:11:53] This is our thing.

[00:11:54] We don't want to leave.

[00:11:55] Like Chappelle, you want to go to the next thing.

[00:11:56] There's nothing wrong with that.

[00:11:58] And it's like, you're going to start something new over there and we're going to be happy

[00:12:02] for you.

[00:12:03] Just like the dude that was running Twitter left, but it's some of us that are still trolls

[00:12:08] and we still feel like black Twitter didn't die.

[00:12:11] And there's still people here that you can come shoot the shit with about stupid things

[00:12:15] because this is the app I feel like that isn't really going anywhere because people just

[00:12:22] say whatever.

[00:12:23] They don't really take it too serious.

[00:12:24] I didn't in the beginning, but now everyone, you know, take every little thing you say,

[00:12:29] hold it against you.

[00:12:30] And it's like, just meet a person first, you know, just have a real conversation with a

[00:12:34] person first.

[00:12:35] But if you're going to judge me, just you're going to judge these tweets.

[00:12:37] You're going to judge my lyrics that I'm mostly tweeting.

[00:12:41] I think in that same vein, man, I have a certain attachment to black Twitter because like, you

[00:12:47] know, I grew up in a extremely black family, you know what I mean?

[00:12:51] Like extra black, but I went to white school, you know what I mean?

[00:12:56] And so all of the funny stuff that me and my family did, I just thought it was something

[00:12:59] that me and my family did.

[00:13:00] I didn't know that other people made color purple a joke.

[00:13:04] I didn't know that.

[00:13:05] I didn't know that.

[00:13:06] And then I saw it on black Twitter.

[00:13:08] I was like, there's other people that laugh at this traumatic movie is just like my family

[00:13:12] does.

[00:13:13] That's wild to me.

[00:13:14] And so I just have a certain level of attachment to it because I didn't know there was other

[00:13:19] folks out there that appreciated the stuff that I appreciated as well.

[00:13:23] Even the off brand stuff like black family, like we was talking about reality TV right

[00:13:27] before we jumped on the podcast and went live.

[00:13:30] I didn't know there was other black people that watch reality TV until I got walking

[00:13:34] dead was another one.

[00:13:35] I didn't know Game of Thrones like they mentioned on the docu series.

[00:13:38] I didn't know.

[00:13:40] And so I have a true attachment to black Twitter that I don't know if I can get from a place

[00:13:43] called like spill or anything like that.

[00:13:46] I even when we went to clubhouse, I spent time with the people I knew already.

[00:13:50] I didn't really make new friends, you know, like I did on black Twitter.

[00:13:54] I made a few.

[00:13:55] I made a few friends.

[00:13:56] But I think I think, uh, Jay was you make a great point.

[00:14:00] We we built this all this is y'all see here all this Twitter stuff.

[00:14:04] We built this, you know, I'm saying so it does feel problematic to be like, all right

[00:14:09] now.

[00:14:10] Now we gotta go.

[00:14:11] We didn't build up this entire culture, the memes, the hashtags, all this stuff.

[00:14:15] We get live interviews from the people who created the first like viral sensation hashtag

[00:14:20] the first the memes.

[00:14:22] We see the people in the memes who are getting used all the time and their Twitter personality

[00:14:26] they're like, okay, we did all that.

[00:14:28] We handed it to y'all.

[00:14:29] Now we're gonna leave.

[00:14:30] It does feel a little off my issue with Twitter is always going to be Elon.

[00:14:34] It's not so much I don't feel like I'm supporting him or anything like that.

[00:14:38] But he's tearing my app apart.

[00:14:40] I used to love Twitter.

[00:14:41] I was on Twitter back in the day.

[00:14:43] They talk about it a little bit in this documentary.

[00:14:45] There used to be a time where Twitter the Twitter app, you couldn't even get on all the phones.

[00:14:49] You would have to text to tweet Nicole, were you around for the text to tweet era?

[00:14:53] Absolutely not.

[00:14:54] It was easier to text to tweet than it was to get online.

[00:15:00] So it was like, why would I need to go get on twitter.com when I could just boom, boom,

[00:15:04] boom, boom, boom.

[00:15:05] And it was like, boom, your tweet go out and you didn't have to worry about a timeline because

[00:15:09] you didn't know these people.

[00:15:10] You didn't know all this other stuff.

[00:15:12] And so as it starts to develop, it almost feels like there's like a little subgroup

[00:15:16] of black people that have all found each other because of just lived experience, the hashtags

[00:15:21] and all that stuff.

[00:15:22] And it feels like, yeah, we're in a room where we're not the dominant population here, but

[00:15:27] we've all found our likeness.

[00:15:28] We're giving each other the head nods constantly.

[00:15:30] It's constant head nods throughout.

[00:15:32] It's like, yeah, I don't want to leave that behind because that's what we do in real life.

[00:15:35] We're always giving each other head nods.

[00:15:37] When a black person walks in a room, I'm looking at that black person.

[00:15:40] I'm staring at them and I give them the head nod real quick just to see.

[00:15:44] I need to know who my type of man is.

[00:15:49] I totally get what you're saying, but it was definitely, it was so fun watching them go

[00:15:53] back and talk about some of Twitter's biggest moments.

[00:15:58] Were any of y'all around for the nigger Navy?

[00:16:00] No.

[00:16:01] The Rihanna?

[00:16:02] No, the nigger Navy.

[00:16:04] I wish I was.

[00:16:05] I need to dental headline.

[00:16:06] I didn't know.

[00:16:07] What started it.

[00:16:08] So it was a nice recap when they explained how it started, but I remember that meme of

[00:16:18] the girly and her bikini snorkeling and she's just like, I'm ready to be in the nigger Navy.

[00:16:28] I think that might've been before your time on Twitter.

[00:16:31] Definitely.

[00:16:32] Definitely before my time.

[00:16:33] I never knew of it.

[00:16:34] This is so, this is great.

[00:16:37] I don't know what happened to the guy who posted it for Yahoo finance.

[00:16:40] He's probably gone.

[00:16:41] He's probably gone.

[00:16:42] I wish the tweet was still alive, but you know, they deleted that bad boy quickly.

[00:16:50] Oh, they did, but not fast enough.

[00:16:52] Cause screenshots work fast.

[00:16:55] Whoever deleted that tweet worked fast, but black folks work way faster.

[00:16:58] J West, you brought up Rihanna.

[00:17:01] You talk about a Navy.

[00:17:02] This woman, she was a menace.

[00:17:05] A literal savage on Twitter when she was on, were you around for the Rihanna days?

[00:17:09] Yes.

[00:17:10] I was around for the Rihanna days because honestly that was the reason why I actually

[00:17:14] got on Twitter.

[00:17:15] So I'm, I hopped on Twitter like in 2008 and I graduated high school 2010, but everyone

[00:17:19] was telling me to get on.

[00:17:20] Cause we can like see famous people.

[00:17:23] We can talk to them.

[00:17:24] They respond back and to get on and see Rihanna in like, she's burnt out.

[00:17:29] We like, Oh, that's just Rihanna talking shit.

[00:17:31] So, and then, you know, like this fight with Sierra was so legendary because you know,

[00:17:36] that's when she was, you know, she was still in her peak too.

[00:17:39] So people know who Rihanna was and Sierra was, so it was just crazy to see, but yeah,

[00:17:44] I loved it.

[00:17:45] Yeah.

[00:17:46] Rihanna was cold blooded.

[00:17:47] See Rihanna beef with Carrie, Carrie Hilson, I think for a little bit.

[00:17:51] She definitely, Rihanna Taylor, that's where she posts her net worth next to her net worth.

[00:17:56] But my favorite one, I think it's TLC.

[00:17:59] I believe TLC had said something like, Oh yeah, we don't really like the way Rihanna

[00:18:05] is going with her music and by TLC, I mean the two remaining members obviously.

[00:18:08] And I think Rihanna posted a picture of them topless and was like, really?

[00:18:12] It's crazy that y'all, I guess she made that her header.

[00:18:15] It's crazy that y'all feel that way cause they were y'all topless for this photo together

[00:18:20] and she was just on their necks.

[00:18:22] But that was my favorite thing about Twitter.

[00:18:25] It was this, Nicole, these celebrities were just a click away.

[00:18:28] You could say something to somebody and then chances are they wouldn't see it.

[00:18:32] What if they did?

[00:18:33] They were actually going to say something back.

[00:18:35] Now you say it to them and everybody's got the filters up.

[00:18:39] I don't see no tweets from people I don't follow.

[00:18:42] You just don't get that same engagement that we used to get, Nicole.

[00:18:45] I don't know.

[00:18:46] I think when they brought up Rihanna's interactions, I mean, we just saw Kendrick versus Drake.

[00:18:53] A lot of that was through music, but there was still some tweets there.

[00:19:00] Black people were getting their jokes in, memes and still are like, it's still happening.

[00:19:06] So yeah, in a way when Jack Dorsey was talking about how like Twitter is supposed to be this

[00:19:13] town square, in a way it did make celebrities kind of come down to our level a little bit.

[00:19:20] And that's always so interesting.

[00:19:21] Now that Rihanna is billionaire and doesn't talk to us a lot.

[00:19:25] Some people are like, you need to remember who Rihanna is.

[00:19:29] Right, right, right.

[00:19:30] She's a real one.

[00:19:32] J-Wes, I know you were one of the Drake defenders in the Drake versus Kendrick beef.

[00:19:37] They were saying a lot of those Kendrick disses were coming straight from tweets.

[00:19:41] I saw people searching the tweets and that A minor line, it wasn't an original thought

[00:19:46] from Kendrick Lamar apparently.

[00:19:48] So Twitter has been influencing the rap game too.

[00:19:50] So yes, J-Wes is my real name.

[00:19:53] I'm not J-Wes Coast, but I do like Drake, but yo, Kendrick didn't win this beef.

[00:19:59] Let me just settle this.

[00:20:00] Like yo, obviously I was defending Drake because look, that's the person we all listen to the

[00:20:04] most.

[00:20:05] I was listening to the pod, but no, Kendrick was speaking facts because I felt like he

[00:20:11] was speaking for us and it's dope that like Nicole just said, we got to see famous people

[00:20:17] go at it again through music.

[00:20:19] And because I felt like Kendrick really was saying things that we really could say and

[00:20:23] to finally see Drake take a loss or take a hit, let's see if he recovers.

[00:20:28] Like we're all very tuned in now.

[00:20:30] You know what I'm saying?

[00:20:31] It's like, can he say anything?

[00:20:32] And now that we're in this so cancel culture worthy world, you know what I'm saying?

[00:20:37] It's like, I don't know.

[00:20:38] I feel like black people, we can make or break people in the career.

[00:20:44] But at the end of the day, we're so powerful.

[00:20:49] Any app that we actually go to by just being ourself, we can shed light to it to be honest.

[00:20:55] But Twitter, like I said in the beginning for this, this really is our thing and I feel

[00:20:59] like we're just comfortable with it.

[00:21:01] But once upon a time I got on TikTok, not knowing what TikTok was and I blew up, just

[00:21:07] blew up off viral, being myself delivering my package at work.

[00:21:11] So you found black TikTok?

[00:21:13] And that's another thing people say, no seriously, I'm like, oh you on the black side?

[00:21:16] I'm trying to get on that side and that's a thing.

[00:21:19] And I'm like, oh, I'm just talking shit over here and I see your wild shit on TikTok.

[00:21:24] Tell me when I add you over there.

[00:21:26] I'm like, black TikTok?

[00:21:30] What?

[00:21:31] Yeah, what's that?

[00:21:32] Yeah.

[00:21:33] You see everything.

[00:21:34] Everything, everything's online.

[00:21:37] You gave us so much to unpack there.

[00:21:38] I do want to put a pin in that.

[00:21:40] I want to come back to that because it's a very important conversation.

[00:21:43] I want to dive a little bit more into the Drake and Kendrick beef because J-West makes

[00:21:46] a good point.

[00:21:47] It did feel like we were all involved in that.

[00:21:49] Tyrone, you've seen Rap Beef before, but we weren't on a hip hop forum on a very specific

[00:21:56] page or anything like that trying to put our comments in, creating usernames.

[00:22:00] This was Johnny from the Winn-Dixie and then Crystal who work at the call center and then

[00:22:07] Homegirl who's an accountant all arguing over Rap Beef.

[00:22:11] And it's not just you and your friends at the barbershop, you and your best friends

[00:22:14] at the kickback.

[00:22:15] This is the world essentially coming together and having a conversation about hip hop, which

[00:22:20] is inherently a black thing.

[00:22:22] So black Twitter just takes two of the biggest stars and watches them fight and we all had

[00:22:28] a front row seat for it just because of Twitter.

[00:22:31] Yeah.

[00:22:32] All of the...

[00:22:34] I had...

[00:22:35] Like you said, I've been in a lot of different beefs.

[00:22:38] I've heard a lot of different beefs.

[00:22:39] I remember Jay-Z and Nas vividly.

[00:22:41] I remember Pac and Biggie vividly.

[00:22:44] And this one just took it to another level because in all of those previous beefs, I

[00:22:50] just had the people that was around me to listen to the lyrics and then come up with

[00:22:54] our own thoughts and ideas about the lyrics and jibber jabber off of that.

[00:22:58] But now we've got different levels of thoughts attached to these lyrics, some stuff that

[00:23:03] I didn't even think of.

[00:23:05] So we talked about the, hey, try to strike a chord and it's probably A minor.

[00:23:10] I was like, oh, that's a dope line.

[00:23:12] Then I hear, oh, the song's in A minor.

[00:23:14] What?

[00:23:15] I'm like, and I got that from black Twitter.

[00:23:20] So it took the beef to another level and it made it along with the two artists that

[00:23:25] was a part of the beef, black Twitter probably boosted it up to being what a lot of people

[00:23:30] would consider the best rap beef ever and something that might not be top ever.

[00:23:35] And you don't get that without black Twitter.

[00:23:36] So I think like we talked about before, is it going to go away?

[00:23:42] Probably not.

[00:23:43] I think people are just kind of like turned off by the owner, of course, as spots.

[00:23:48] But if we have another event, I'm going to look to black Twitter first before anything

[00:23:53] else to get what I need to get out of it.

[00:23:56] Yeah.

[00:23:57] Great points.

[00:23:58] I used to talk to random celebrities on Twitter.

[00:24:01] I talked to everybody on Twitter anyway.

[00:24:02] I've seen my tweets, but I used to talk to random celebrities to see who talked back.

[00:24:06] And I just talked to Timbaland all the time, just like he would respond to my tweets.

[00:24:09] Oh, OK.

[00:24:10] So in my mind, me and Timbaland was friends.

[00:24:12] You know, it was just the way Twitter was.

[00:24:14] But now it's like, OK, these people might not be your friends.

[00:24:16] They might know better than to feed the trolls, as they say.

[00:24:20] So they don't respond to us now like they're used to, but they know we're watching.

[00:24:24] So a lot of the times they're tweeting and stuff like that for our engagement, for our

[00:24:28] likes, for our retweets.

[00:24:29] So when Metro Boomin goes and says something, we put that Metro Boomin tweet with the rap

[00:24:34] beef and say, oh, you see it?

[00:24:36] They're still mad.

[00:24:37] You know, you start putting the pieces together.

[00:24:39] And that's all a community built by black Twitter.

[00:24:43] One of the other things they talk about in this documentary is the community that was

[00:24:46] forming in black Twitter during the pandemic, right?

[00:24:49] When everybody was at home, when you weren't able to get out and see the people that you

[00:24:52] love and the people that you trust and you couldn't get out the house, a lot of people

[00:24:57] turned to Twitter for community.

[00:24:59] And it gone from this smaller group conversation to know, like, this is where you have to

[00:25:04] be at if you want to engage with people.

[00:25:06] And we end up seeing things like the versus battles that were done on Instagram.

[00:25:10] J-Wes, did you keep up with the versus as well?

[00:25:13] Yes, I kept up with the versus.

[00:25:16] So during the pandemic, I broke my ankle the first six months.

[00:25:20] First off, working in a pandemic was terrible as a delivery driver because people was ordering

[00:25:24] the craziest shit.

[00:25:25] I used to be like, yo, we don't know when we get money again.

[00:25:28] Y'all still ordering couches?

[00:25:30] Nicole, I watched a lot of those versus.

[00:25:33] But every time I watch the versus, Instagram up on one side, Twitter app in my other hand.

[00:25:38] Yeah, that makes sense.

[00:25:40] Yeah, I agree.

[00:25:42] I watched a few of them, especially when things weren't going well.

[00:25:47] That's when you have to hop onto there.

[00:25:51] So yeah, that makes sense.

[00:25:54] I loved this documentary, especially how they went through time.

[00:25:59] And I'm like doing the math, how old I was and everything.

[00:26:02] This reminds me, we don't have things like I love the 80s or I love the 90s anymore.

[00:26:09] And how they did time so specifically and what was going on there gave a little bit of

[00:26:15] that.

[00:26:16] And it's important.

[00:26:18] We're talking so much about music.

[00:26:20] But the things that the kids are saying on Twitter, which that's another thing is like

[00:26:25] Twitter is such a mixed bag sometimes that you'll be talking to someone and you're like,

[00:26:31] wait, how old are you?

[00:26:33] And it's like the things that they don't know because they don't have things like I love

[00:26:38] the 80s or I love the 90s anymore.

[00:26:41] I'm like, this is good.

[00:26:43] This is kind of like a return to form of studying pop culture.

[00:26:47] That was a good point.

[00:26:48] Because if you weren't here, then you probably don't know the level of community that Twitter

[00:26:55] had just created during the Obama administration.

[00:26:59] And then of course, reiterated during the pandemic and with the George Floyd and Black

[00:27:04] Lives Matter movements.

[00:27:06] We saw hashtags being just something that people joked about, right?

[00:27:10] Hashtag blessed and stuff like that.

[00:27:11] Just words that don't really mean nobody.

[00:27:13] Nobody's clicking on hashtag blessed to see who's all blessed today on the Twitter app.

[00:27:17] It was just things that people said and did.

[00:27:19] But Ty, this documentary stops down and really talks about during the George Floyd unrest

[00:27:25] and some of the other tragic events surrounding black people and police brutality, where those

[00:27:30] hashtags were war cries that got people to pay attention to the things that were happening

[00:27:34] in our own community behind our backs, right in front of our faces that were being disguised

[00:27:38] in a very nefarious way as like, oh, well, things just happened.

[00:27:41] That's not how it went.

[00:27:43] We get all kinds of misinformation, but Twitter was able to galvanize all those people and

[00:27:48] use hashtags to kind of encourage and empower people to stand up for what was right.

[00:27:53] And I don't think the kids know that unless they watch something like this, Tyrone.

[00:27:57] Yeah, this was bittersweet for me to watch because my old ass was on Facebook during

[00:28:03] all of the George Floyd and all that stuff.

[00:28:07] And I was sitting here fighting battles over there by my damn self, losing people that

[00:28:11] I thought were friends, all that type of shit was happening.

[00:28:15] And I got a few comments here and there from supporters.

[00:28:19] But again, it's just people that I know.

[00:28:22] And so this historical reference and even going back and viewing some posts and things

[00:28:27] like that on black Twitter where you've got these swarm of black folks around the world

[00:28:33] just supporting each other through a time where honestly, probably went through a little

[00:28:39] mental health situation.

[00:28:40] Right. Went to a little trauma myself and I wish I had that support.

[00:28:45] So it was great to see that.

[00:28:47] It kind of put a smile on my face, even though I didn't get to experience it myself.

[00:28:51] I even shed a few tears in some of those moments as well on that second episode because it

[00:28:56] really hit deep. And I remember those moments.

[00:28:58] And to have a conglomerate of people that was on the same side as you was special.

[00:29:05] And that's not something that I will ever forget now that I know the history.

[00:29:09] And I don't think anybody in black Twitter will ever forget that for sure.

[00:29:14] Yeah, there was. Were you were you active in the social aspect?

[00:29:17] I know you're a troll on Twitter.

[00:29:18] I know that you're one of my favorites.

[00:29:20] I keep you around.

[00:29:22] But yeah, when it came to the more serious content for black Twitter specifically, I

[00:29:27] think that the documentary does a good job of highlighting that black folks, we don't

[00:29:30] joke. We don't get our jokes off.

[00:29:32] Everybody's everybody can get made fun of.

[00:29:34] It can be you can be the next Jordan Crying meme in just a second.

[00:29:38] No worries. But when it's time to come together, we really did lean on those hashtags

[00:29:43] for those social issues and for the movements.

[00:29:46] Were you a part of that as well?

[00:29:47] Yeah, I was a part of that, just like Tyrone said, like he spoke about like, you know,

[00:29:52] losing friends. Like I was a volunteer fireman for about seven years around that time

[00:29:56] and hearing people's comments like.

[00:29:59] Oh, he shouldn't have or his background, and I'm like, that doesn't matter, you know

[00:30:02] what I'm saying? And but now we're in a world that everyone sees it.

[00:30:08] We know it happens.

[00:30:10] And and I'm somebody that I don't like to feel like I'm this figure.

[00:30:15] That's why I always try to be one.

[00:30:18] And I do like to include everyone.

[00:30:21] I want to be treated just like a white person in a sense.

[00:30:24] You know, I want to have all of us be treated in the same.

[00:30:27] I want all of us to have this same thing.

[00:30:31] But at the end of the day, it was it was a time that it did hurt because you lost a lot

[00:30:37] of people, you know, that we thought were friends and their comments was, you know,

[00:30:41] tough. So we just sometimes you just for me, I didn't want to speak freely.

[00:30:46] And that that felt like it wasn't even me.

[00:30:49] You know what I'm saying? I like to myself and say wild things just for conversation

[00:30:53] purposes. Like if you know me, you know how I really think, you know how I really feel.

[00:30:57] And now it's just like, damn, I got to walk on eggshells around you.

[00:31:02] Like, are you really my friend?

[00:31:03] Like, you know what I'm saying is like.

[00:31:06] Yeah, Twitter got to the point where there was it had gotten to the point where if you

[00:31:10] had a dissenting opinion, people weren't willing to listen to it.

[00:31:13] But also it did your opinion wasn't getting listened to anyway because it wasn't spicy

[00:31:19] enough. Right. Like you could say something that mattered.

[00:31:21] You could say a complete sentence that mattered, that made sense.

[00:31:24] Everybody could agree with can get behind.

[00:31:26] But on Twitter, you don't hear it like that in Twitter.

[00:31:29] It's not good enough or on Twitter like that.

[00:31:31] That was a that was offensive, but it could have been worse.

[00:31:33] Right. So then you have people who go the complete opposite direction and then they say,

[00:31:37] all right, I'm going to say the spiciest thing I can think of to get engagement.

[00:31:40] And then from there you get the arguments and you get the threads and you get all that

[00:31:44] kind of stuff. You get people battling and losing friends and family and all this other

[00:31:47] stuff. When Twitter was never made to be an app to have meaningful conversation, it

[00:31:52] actually started off. We'll find out in this documentary literally is like a throwaway

[00:31:55] app. You could go on, use 140 characters and say whatever.

[00:32:00] Somebody might see it. Somebody might not see it.

[00:32:03] Now, Nicole, we're up to what?

[00:32:04] Two hundred eighty characters.

[00:32:06] You can have a video.

[00:32:08] Some people can have unlimited video.

[00:32:10] It seems Twitter, Twitter, Blue, Twitter, Twitter, premium, all this other stuff.

[00:32:14] It's completely evolved from a time where you just say whatever you want and walk away

[00:32:18] to where now all of this stuff is meaningful engagement.

[00:32:21] You talking to somebody that's interaction with somebody and then your tweets, in a

[00:32:26] sense, is you meeting that person.

[00:32:28] That is your conversation.

[00:32:29] That's your interaction with that person.

[00:32:30] And it can very much shape the way you look at somebody, Nicole.

[00:32:34] Yeah, I totally agree.

[00:32:36] I think a big thing that stood out to me, I went to school for journalism.

[00:32:41] I cover entertainment because that's what I choose to do.

[00:32:44] But I think I loved that the documentary highlighted what black Twitter did for

[00:32:52] journalism during those uprising and protest.

[00:32:57] What white journalists usually typically do is the types of pictures they want to pick

[00:33:04] of someone who was victimized by the police to try to make it seem somehow warranted.

[00:33:11] And then we had that trend of the picture that they would probably use for us instead of

[00:33:18] the family photo.

[00:33:19] They're going to use the one where you're going out popping bottles and stuff like that

[00:33:23] to create a narrative during the protest.

[00:33:26] There are people who were on the ground.

[00:33:29] And, you know, I believe journalism is is a craft and everything.

[00:33:35] But the same way that Twitter has democratized other things, I think it also kind of

[00:33:42] democratized on ground reporting.

[00:33:44] So we're not just taking from like CNN and these big outlets of what's happening over

[00:33:51] here. And they will always go to the police spokesperson for what's happening.

[00:33:57] Now, someone who is just from the local neighborhood can be like, actually, we just saw

[00:34:03] the police do this, this and this.

[00:34:05] It's taking this long.

[00:34:07] They're treating us this way.

[00:34:10] And they can't have the full narrative.

[00:34:13] And that's kind of heartbreaking that that's even necessary because doing that exposes

[00:34:21] you to trauma. That's why I did not decide to go into that journalism.

[00:34:26] But it's a good balancing act because now us as the greater community, Black community

[00:34:35] really knows what happens because I think that's also in a bigger influence when it comes

[00:34:41] to like respectability politics.

[00:34:43] I don't know if your guys' parents are like this, but the way I was raised was a lot of

[00:34:47] respectability politics.

[00:34:49] So you do not get harmed by the police.

[00:34:51] That's what they thought would do.

[00:34:54] And I like that the narrative in episode two around that is like kind of fuck

[00:35:01] respectability politics.

[00:35:03] This is still going to happen.

[00:35:04] It happened to Trayvon Martin, who's just a child with Skittles and soda.

[00:35:08] So, yeah, that was long.

[00:35:13] No, but it makes total sense because I was definitely raised like that.

[00:35:16] I remember Twitter radicalized me in a lot of ways.

[00:35:18] I definitely like I would go to my mom and be like, can you believe this?

[00:35:21] Look at this. They're not even talking about this.

[00:35:23] You got to post about it.

[00:35:24] You got to do stuff.

[00:35:25] And she would be like, what are you talking about?

[00:35:27] Like if you just mind your business.

[00:35:29] I'm like, no, no, you can't let this stuff stand.

[00:35:32] It really did just highlight a lot of stuff in the form of hashtag really that I wasn't

[00:35:38] even paying attention to.

[00:35:39] So Twitter got very, very deep for a lot of people, especially over these last few

[00:35:43] years. But Black Twitter was one of those things that, again, it helped bring everybody

[00:35:47] together. And then I think the more interest white people started to take into it, the

[00:35:51] more they started to get involved.

[00:35:53] We talk about meme culture and memes becoming their own conversation.

[00:35:58] And I will say this, I know this for a fact.

[00:36:00] I see it every day with my own eyes.

[00:36:02] Jay West, you can attest to this.

[00:36:03] The best memes be Black people and white folk going to use them.

[00:36:07] It don't matter.

[00:36:08] They're going to get Nene leaks.

[00:36:10] They're going to use all the big names, Tiffany Pollard, Tiffany from the all of the

[00:36:17] big names.

[00:36:17] Even Dayvon.

[00:36:18] Dayvon, exactly.

[00:36:20] These are Black people, Black reactions, Black memes, Black gifs.

[00:36:24] And they're getting used across the board by everybody.

[00:36:27] And that's a Twitter thing, Jay West.

[00:36:29] That stuff started here and it's now just become almost like a second way of talking

[00:36:33] to people. Yeah, like goes back to what I was saying, like we don't take shit serious.

[00:36:40] And what Nicole was saying when she was in journalism, she wanted to see diversity

[00:36:46] basically. And I do a lot of things in my life.

[00:36:50] I did a lot of things in my life and just sometimes just feeling like being the only

[00:36:54] me, I feel like I still have to be myself.

[00:36:57] So in Twitter, everyone speaking freely, in my head, I'm like, this is the place for

[00:37:03] everyone. Are you using the Black Twitter gifs?

[00:37:07] Yes, yes.

[00:37:08] Always the Jordan gifs, the dude throwing a hat up with all his boys behind him.

[00:37:13] I love the gifs.

[00:37:14] Like, it's just like you have to draw reactions basically.

[00:37:18] And it's just sometimes you don't take nothing serious.

[00:37:21] And sometimes people are like, is that a serious response?

[00:37:25] And I'm like, bro, this is like my LOL.

[00:37:28] Yeah, exactly.

[00:37:31] Like and there's no class for that, right?

[00:37:33] Or I'm sure there are now.

[00:37:34] Obviously, there should be. It's 2024.

[00:37:35] You should probably be teaching the Internet and social media literacy to people who

[00:37:39] don't understand this kind of thing.

[00:37:40] There should be classes if there aren't.

[00:37:42] But we all learned this organically.

[00:37:44] You know, I know what it means when you send me the throw the hat up in the air.

[00:37:48] You know, I get it automatically.

[00:37:49] It's like it's unspoken.

[00:37:51] But it started with us, you know, and I don't think people talk about that enough.

[00:37:55] Yeah, and I think it also brought maybe a different form of activism.

[00:38:00] I know you talked about respectability politics and how we grew up, you know, like

[00:38:06] we, you know, way back when there was marching.

[00:38:10] And in that process of marching, there's hoses and dogs and jail and et cetera.

[00:38:16] Right. And then it kind of turned the tide a little bit.

[00:38:20] It turned into more speeches, right?

[00:38:22] Dominating speeches.

[00:38:23] We got involved because we're more involved.

[00:38:25] We got into politics and things like that.

[00:38:28] Lawmaking abilities, law changing abilities, et cetera.

[00:38:31] Right. Well, now, because of social media, you have a way to bring attention to

[00:38:37] something that the masses might not pay attention to.

[00:38:41] And the way that you draw people in and come and we did this through comedy is through

[00:38:47] laughter. That's how you draw people in.

[00:38:49] Right. So Nicole talked about earlier where you have the image of the person that's

[00:38:55] downtrodden or been or was shot, killed or whatever.

[00:38:58] And you have the worst image of them in the newspaper.

[00:39:02] Well, what do we do? We make fun of it by putting our best and our worst pictures up

[00:39:06] against each other and put a hashtag attached to it.

[00:39:10] Oscar's so white, a hashtag.

[00:39:12] It ain't truly funny, but let's draw attention to it by making it funny.

[00:39:17] And then now there's more eyes on it.

[00:39:19] Right. That's that makes it a little bit more palatable for the folks that don't want to

[00:39:23] pay attention to it. I think this is a different form of activism.

[00:39:26] The L.O.L. that you was talking about, Jay West.

[00:39:29] That's a different form of activism that we probably never really had before in this in

[00:39:34] this mass appeal, I would say.

[00:39:37] Yeah, I love black Twitter.

[00:39:39] I always have. But it's for those very reasons, Nicole.

[00:39:42] It's because of you can drop something.

[00:39:45] I understand what it is.

[00:39:46] Your hashtag. I get it.

[00:39:48] You get it. We talk in that language.

[00:39:50] We use the same gist.

[00:39:51] We all. But now it feels like we've let everybody in on the conversation and we're just

[00:39:55] not getting the credit that we deserve for that.

[00:39:57] And I guess that's where I kind of like my issue is like, OK, we're doing this.

[00:40:01] We built this. Let's talk about it, though.

[00:40:03] Let's talk about who paved the way for some of these conversations.

[00:40:06] Black folk, historically, we will define a culture and then they will try to overlook us

[00:40:11] in that same culture. Yeah.

[00:40:12] Try to say it's like Gen Z or just Gen Alpha or it's just like Internet speak.

[00:40:18] Something that also came to mind, which I kind of wish the documentary covered but

[00:40:23] didn't, is because everyone does want to use the black memes and the black gifs to

[00:40:30] communicate. And that's not always a black person doing that.

[00:40:35] I kind of wish they dived in a little bit into Internet blackface, which I don't know

[00:40:40] if you guys have ever heard, but there's just sometimes it's just white people and

[00:40:50] other people of color knowing how dope we are and just wanting to emulate that, not

[00:40:59] really noticing, hey, you're only using like gifs of black women.

[00:41:03] Like why? Well, it just connotes, you know, I'm feeling and it's like, what does that

[00:41:08] mean? And then a freaking politician was once caught pretending to be a black person

[00:41:16] on social media. And we know that shit happens because every time black people are

[00:41:21] talking about some racism, there's always that one suspicious looking account that's

[00:41:28] like, well, I'm black and don't feel that way.

[00:41:30] It's like, are you? Are you?

[00:41:33] Like, and I don't know if that comes from American history of like minstrel.

[00:41:41] Like, I'm sorry, but I wish there was more studies on that whole history and white

[00:41:50] people just like wanting to be in our skin.

[00:41:52] Like we did get out, but I want actual studies because what do you mean white people

[00:41:58] are pretending to be black online?

[00:42:00] And like, that's just it.

[00:42:02] Yeah. Digital blackface is a big deal on Twitter for sure.

[00:42:07] They touch on it a little bit, like Nicole said in the documentary where they talk

[00:42:10] about how in response to a lot of the hope and change and all this black community and

[00:42:17] this outreach and all this stuff that was going on during the Obama administration, you

[00:42:20] had all these random Russian bot accounts popping up and being like, I'm a black

[00:42:25] person. And as a black person, I disagree.

[00:42:27] I don't think none of this stuff is racist at all, blah, blah, blah.

[00:42:30] But this group, this panel in particular, is very equipped to talk about this because we

[00:42:35] come from the entertainment space when it comes to our Twitter.

[00:42:39] Right. All of us, to some extent, we're in the reality TV, television space where we're

[00:42:46] talking to people who are not required or even expected to use their own face and

[00:42:52] likeness on their accounts.

[00:42:54] Some of these accounts go in saying, I'm a Stan account.

[00:42:58] I am team Kory in America, team Davon, team Taylor.

[00:43:04] And so now you have this avatar of a person that you've seen on TV.

[00:43:07] But this person has nothing to do with this account at all.

[00:43:12] And we'll see in these conversations about like the cookout on Big Brother where we're

[00:43:17] talking about big black alliances where all these little black faces will be popping up,

[00:43:21] having these conversations, but they just won't seem to understand how to use the slang,

[00:43:26] what we're talking about.

[00:43:27] It's like we bring it up, reverse racism is like, I don't think you're actually the little

[00:43:32] black person that you're saying.

[00:43:36] J-Wes, you have been in the trenches against some of these accounts before.

[00:43:41] It's hard to know who you're talking to.

[00:43:43] So that's funny.

[00:43:44] So, look, once upon a time I played on a reality show being three of only people of

[00:43:52] color. And then I got asked to play reality TV again, the same show.

[00:43:57] And it was more people of color.

[00:43:59] And I felt like it was connection to complexion.

[00:44:01] I can finally say nigga, like when I'm talking trash and I don't know who going to size me

[00:44:07] up because like it's just that much of a better game.

[00:44:10] And sometimes people hate that, like, you know, black people are going after black people,

[00:44:16] but we just want to be included.

[00:44:17] Like I was saying in the beginning, I want to pull up in any neighborhood, but I feel

[00:44:22] like black people, we really can because there is a hood everywhere.

[00:44:25] White people, they can't do that.

[00:44:26] So sometimes we need a white friend to actually shed light on things.

[00:44:30] No, seriously, like I love Rob Sestanino.

[00:44:33] He the homie. Like he actually put podcasts on my eyes because playing reality TV, that

[00:44:39] was the first fucking network that podcasted me.

[00:44:41] And I ain't know shit about podcasting.

[00:44:43] And and he show love to you.

[00:44:45] And I'm like, yo, Chappelle, homie, he talk real shit.

[00:44:47] I got a hell of a few homies around here.

[00:44:50] And I just love all of all of it.

[00:44:53] And then he gives he he puts you on this space.

[00:44:56] And I'm like, you need a white ally, you know, and like just just to hear you out and

[00:45:00] didn't let you do your thing. You know what I'm saying?

[00:45:01] But to still have your own voice is hard because it's always about support.

[00:45:07] And black people with low key want to gatekeep sometimes.

[00:45:10] And it's like we got to be wild.

[00:45:13] We got to show our ass because, look, we can go to the hood and we see a Chinatown and

[00:45:18] they only want to support like we can go anywhere.

[00:45:20] And it's like we just got to support each other more or we're going to have to pull

[00:45:25] in alliances from all over to and they're going to keep copying us.

[00:45:29] Yeah, we're going to still go viral like we got the best on every network.

[00:45:33] You know what I'm saying?

[00:45:35] I think we do we do define a lot of the culture and I will give a shout out to Rob as

[00:45:40] well. Rob definitely made a space for me on his network.

[00:45:42] But if Rob then decides because he made a space for Chappelle, he's now got a hood pass

[00:45:47] and he can now go do all the things and say all the things Rob is going to be subject to

[00:45:51] whatever response he gets.

[00:45:52] I can't protect him nor will I nor and he knows it nor will I.

[00:45:55] You know what I'm saying? Like you can be an ally without having to pretend to be me.

[00:45:59] And I think on Twitter, a lot of people lose sight of that where they go in, they say I'm

[00:46:03] the Devon Stan. So thus all my my emojis are, well my gifs are Devon,

[00:46:09] all my memes are Devon.

[00:46:10] I'm talking like Devon and does that other when in reality you're putting on a character

[00:46:15] and you're arguing with real people.

[00:46:17] We are not pretending to be anybody else online.

[00:46:20] We are who we are.

[00:46:21] And then you're arguing with a 19 year old big brother Stan about such.

[00:46:26] And you're like, wait, you don't even know what I'm talking about here.

[00:46:28] I'm talking about some really personal stuff to you to me.

[00:46:31] And you're talking to me like it's a game.

[00:46:33] Tyrone, I've seen people using black people emojis when they change the color of the skin

[00:46:38] emojis. Why white people?

[00:46:40] Did you go change your color?

[00:46:42] You could just stay with the Homer Simpson yellow.

[00:46:44] But then they gave you white.

[00:46:45] They gave you whitish.

[00:46:46] You did not have to go use black emojis to be.

[00:46:54] Yeah, they did it.

[00:46:56] I don't think it's not a way.

[00:47:00] I don't know what to do.

[00:47:01] Right. I don't know what to do about it.

[00:47:03] I don't honestly know.

[00:47:04] It's kind of like when Trump stepped in and basically won his campaign by taking over

[00:47:10] Twitter. That's basically what he did.

[00:47:13] And when we build something to a certain level, but we are still the minorities in the

[00:47:19] group. Like, I don't know what to do when somebody else comes in and swoops in and and

[00:47:24] takes it over. Sometimes I do want to say, you know what?

[00:47:27] I want to go back in my bubble.

[00:47:29] Let me not befriend all of these people.

[00:47:32] Let me let me just talk to the people that I know who faces I can't see at times and

[00:47:38] have those conversations, because even within our own community, we had they brought up

[00:47:42] Kevin Samuels. I remember them black Twitter conversations.

[00:47:46] That was tragic.

[00:47:48] It got real tragic.

[00:47:50] Yeah. There's a lot of subtypes in Twitter.

[00:47:52] OK, so we've talked about the subcommunity that we're in a lot of.

[00:47:55] We have a lot of reality TV entertainment.

[00:47:58] That's kind of a lot of what we get.

[00:48:00] But then you have like the NBA Twitter where when you log on, you know about accounts you

[00:48:05] follow and that's what they're going to give you the retweets, all that stuff.

[00:48:07] And so you're basically in a giant chat with those people.

[00:48:10] Right. Well, then you have like the subgroups within black Twitter even.

[00:48:15] So NBA Twitter probably is like I'm probably like a blackish, you know, everybody's

[00:48:20] involved. It's very black.

[00:48:21] It's very black. But then you get to like Shea Butter Twitter, as they talked about, you

[00:48:26] know, the super people who you can't laugh and joke with.

[00:48:28] You got to stay away from Shea Butters because they don't take it personally.

[00:48:32] But then the wholetips, you know, the people who will use their own misogyny as a

[00:48:36] weapon and say, OK, well, it's OK.

[00:48:38] It's OK if I do it because I've been historically oppressed and we have to uplift my

[00:48:43] black ass. And so I personally try to avoid those areas of Twitter.

[00:48:48] But Nicole, it gets hard to kind of try to be in a black Twitter space and then

[00:48:53] realizing that all these black people aren't necessarily like minded just because

[00:48:58] y'all can share the same gifs and memes.

[00:49:01] For sure, for sure.

[00:49:03] I think it's also so important of just who you follow and and everything like that

[00:49:10] trying to affect the algorithm.

[00:49:12] But there's always different voices there.

[00:49:15] I mean, when you brought up NBA, I was like, what?

[00:49:19] Like, um, maybe.

[00:49:21] But no, that's that's very true.

[00:49:23] I was I another slight critique I had of the documentary is that it took too long.

[00:49:32] It took to the third episode for someone to say gay because I was like, yes, like a lot

[00:49:39] of the culture and the language that we have now that's so popularized is gay.

[00:49:44] It's black and gay.

[00:49:45] And I was just like, yeah, when are we going to say it?

[00:49:47] We're talking to Dr.

[00:49:48] Roxanne Gay and we haven't said anything.

[00:49:51] I want to say her name.

[00:49:52] Yeah.

[00:49:56] And yeah, so it was really nice when they did that panel with queer people out the bar.

[00:50:02] Another is just women.

[00:50:03] Like I was so proud of all of the women that were on the panel.

[00:50:08] And I was like, I'm so proud of all of you.

[00:50:11] Women like I was so proud of all of the women who made hashtags like Oscar, so white and

[00:50:19] actually affected change that got so many young and people of color into the academy.

[00:50:27] Like that's just concrete change in the real world that happened because of black Twitter

[00:50:33] and because of a black woman.

[00:50:35] So, so yeah.

[00:50:37] And they actually didn't talk about like Me Too, which started because of a black woman.

[00:50:43] So that was very interesting.

[00:50:47] But yeah, I think I'm just like very, very proud of the women and how, how they were

[00:50:54] able to affect everything.

[00:50:55] Also, another woman that I could not believe was not name dropped this whole entire documentary,

[00:51:00] Shonda Rhimes.

[00:51:02] Right?

[00:51:02] Yeah.

[00:51:03] Right.

[00:51:03] Yeah.

[00:51:04] And they talked about scandal.

[00:51:06] And they talked about scandal.

[00:51:07] They didn't say her name.

[00:51:08] They didn't say her name.

[00:51:09] Yeah.

[00:51:09] But before, before even scandal, Shonda Rhimes was having those Grey's Anatomy actors who

[00:51:17] are still in their trenches, by the way.

[00:51:19] She had them tweeting every week during the episodes.

[00:51:23] They would interact with fans just like Chappelle said.

[00:51:27] And that's how so many of her shows have become a big thing.

[00:51:32] Now it's kind of like a requirement for some of these shows.

[00:51:36] They have the actors tweet during the shows.

[00:51:38] That all started because of Shonda.

[00:51:40] I didn't know that.

[00:51:41] Wow.

[00:51:42] So yeah, she deserves every dollar she's still collecting.

[00:51:48] But I just wanted to say that because yeah, we were set for Insecure every week, but it

[00:51:54] was Shonda who really saw that opportunity first.

[00:51:57] Right.

[00:51:57] The TV hashtags are great.

[00:51:59] Go ahead, Tyrone.

[00:52:00] I was saying, I'm so glad you brought up the gay community because growing up, right, my

[00:52:06] ignorance, I didn't have a lot of knowledge about everything that the gay community went

[00:52:11] through. Like my introduction into the gay community was like Dawson's Creek and

[00:52:16] watching Jack Maffee.

[00:52:17] That was my introduction into the gay community.

[00:52:20] So I didn't even have an introduction into the black gay community.

[00:52:24] And I learned a lot of my information and all of the things that the community goes

[00:52:29] through and has to deal with through black Twitter.

[00:52:33] And we talk about it, right?

[00:52:35] Even the negative things that black Twitter put the gay community through was rough for

[00:52:41] me to see because I'm like, even though I have no understanding of it, I never thought

[00:52:45] that way. So I don't understand why there's so much disdain or so much ignorance from

[00:52:51] that standpoint, like negative ignorance, not like.

[00:52:55] Unknowledgeable or don't know ignorance, right, but just spewing negativity and lack of

[00:53:01] inclusion when the thing that we are fighting for on black Twitter and before that and

[00:53:07] will be after that is inclusion.

[00:53:10] So how do you exclude a group of people from something that you are trying to not be

[00:53:15] excluded from? It just it was just a weird thing.

[00:53:17] But I appreciate black Twitter, both sides of things, because I just didn't have a lot

[00:53:23] of knowledge about that community.

[00:53:24] So, yeah.

[00:53:25] Yeah, I think y'all both make great points.

[00:53:28] Nicole specifically pointed out how women and queer black people have built a lot of

[00:53:34] what the culture just uses so heavily now.

[00:53:37] Like she said, period, shade, it's giving all that kind of stuff will start on a black

[00:53:44] tweet or a black show or a black character or a black drag queen or something like that.

[00:53:48] And then boom is on Twitter and then from Twitter, everybody's using it.

[00:53:51] It's on TikTok and then all TikTok.

[00:53:53] OK, then it finally makes it to Facebook because that's where the old be at.

[00:53:56] So it takes a little bit to get to Facebook and then boom.

[00:53:58] Next thing you know, you see it on a Nissan commercial and somebody's getting out of

[00:54:00] their swagger wagon.

[00:54:02] I'm old enough to remember when swagger was swagger, swagger.

[00:54:06] Then it was a swagger wagon.

[00:54:07] And I was on Twitter for all of that.

[00:54:09] And I was like, dang, I jumped the shark right now.

[00:54:12] Like I can tell that now we're not using it anymore.

[00:54:14] We're done with that.

[00:54:15] But you made such a good point, Kid Fury, a big voice in this one from the really

[00:54:23] hyping up and leading these hashtags.

[00:54:25] And we're talking about scandal.

[00:54:27] We're talking about insecure.

[00:54:28] We're talking about dim thrones.

[00:54:30] That we're like I said, we're all TV people here.

[00:54:33] If you're not putting a hashtag on your tweet, then it's like you're not in the

[00:54:37] conversation about the tweet.

[00:54:38] Like I tweeted it.

[00:54:39] I missed my hashtag.

[00:54:40] Let me go put it back in there because I need somebody to either see this or I need

[00:54:43] it to be on record.

[00:54:44] That's what I'm talking about.

[00:54:46] Hell, even now, maybe you want to mute it.

[00:54:48] You don't want to hear me talking about Grey's Anatomy all day.

[00:54:50] So I put the hashtag there so you can avoid my tweet.

[00:54:54] So all that stuff goes back to black people, but specifically black and queer women

[00:54:59] and women, you know, like people like these are the people who did this.

[00:55:02] Like black men, we get to sit back and just like get to own some of this stuff.

[00:55:06] Sometimes I'm like, yeah, black people did this.

[00:55:08] But we push back sometimes so heavily against that stuff.

[00:55:11] Like, you know, I was like, oh yeah, people are saying period now.

[00:55:14] I was like, well, that seems a little feminine.

[00:55:15] I'm not going to say it now.

[00:55:17] You say period.

[00:55:17] Nobody flinches because they just become so part of the culture.

[00:55:21] So part of the zeitgeist that it's everywhere.

[00:55:24] And I was a television tweeter.

[00:55:26] I'm talking about them thrones.

[00:55:29] Check my stats.

[00:55:30] Scandal.

[00:55:31] Don't check my stats.

[00:55:32] Problematic tweets from Chappelle back then.

[00:55:34] What?

[00:55:34] Ooh, I was in the trenches.

[00:55:36] It was horrible back then.

[00:55:38] Fighting for my life.

[00:55:39] You were tweeting now.

[00:55:40] I was, look, I was team Jake.

[00:55:42] Just no, no, I'm joking.

[00:55:43] Um, but, um, but, um, also, you know, insecure.

[00:55:49] Yeah.

[00:55:49] Look insecure.

[00:55:50] I was a Lawrence Hive person.

[00:55:52] Okay.

[00:55:52] So I was fighting demons.

[00:55:54] Okay.

[00:55:55] Fighting for my life.

[00:55:56] But the conversations were so good.

[00:55:59] Yeah.

[00:55:59] And we learn, we learn in the documentary that a lot of those hashtags really

[00:56:04] bolstered the show's viewership.

[00:56:06] Right.

[00:56:06] It's like people weren't talking about it and it became marketing for the shows.

[00:56:11] Now we just use our hashtag because that's how we find our people.

[00:56:14] All right.

[00:56:15] We, we are going to look for the people who are talking about all

[00:56:18] these reality shows that we watch.

[00:56:20] J Wes, big brother is about to roll around and I know you've already

[00:56:24] seen the hashtag popping up.

[00:56:25] It's time.

[00:56:26] Yes.

[00:56:27] I seen the hashtags popping up.

[00:56:28] I'm excited for big brother to start.

[00:56:30] I'm just, so I'm a different watcher than you guys.

[00:56:33] Like you guys are super invested in big brother.

[00:56:35] I love big brother, but I love what they show us on TV.

[00:56:39] I don't deep dive deep on the live stream live feeds because me personally,

[00:56:45] I I'll trust Terrence word or trust someone's word for it.

[00:56:50] Because I'm like, look, don't fuck with buddy because like he, he, he races.

[00:56:55] But at the end of the day, like they act like that for a reason.

[00:56:59] And this is show and, and I, and I played, like I said, I played a game when it was

[00:57:03] just three people of color in it.

[00:57:06] I felt like we had to just be ourselves, but we still had to like, you know, vote

[00:57:10] together, but we just had this like, you know, we really want to play with each

[00:57:14] other, but we don't trust each other because it's a game, but then the next

[00:57:17] game I played the same game is like, it's more people of color and it's a connection.

[00:57:21] So now I love that reality TV is adding diversity.

[00:57:25] The shows that we watch now is showing diversity and we can just pull together

[00:57:31] like, you know, to put things on the mat more like Chappelle can be like, yo, black

[00:57:35] Twitter is still a thing.

[00:57:36] Like y'all ain't got to leave.

[00:57:38] We can keep this shit.

[00:57:39] Ain't nothing that he can take from us.

[00:57:41] Like, you know, it's still a thing.

[00:57:43] And, and, and your point definitely points back to what Nicole was saying, where you

[00:57:47] start these conversations about the Me Too movement, uh, Oscar so white, uh, black

[00:57:52] lives matter.

[00:57:54] You have those conversations on Twitter.

[00:57:55] They blow up the greater population outside of Twitter realizes it, and then tries to

[00:58:00] make social change because of it.

[00:58:01] Right?

[00:58:01] So we saw CBS and all these other companies say, all right, obviously people want

[00:58:07] diversity now based on all these tweets we're getting.

[00:58:09] It's like a petition.

[00:58:10] Like we see all these tweets, we hear you.

[00:58:13] We hear y'all boycotting y'all unfollowing our accounts, all that kind of stuff.

[00:58:17] Let's give you something.

[00:58:18] Right.

[00:58:19] And so then they go and they do these diversity initiatives.

[00:58:21] And now we have five or six black people on these reality shows where in the past, if

[00:58:27] you apply, like you said, Jay West, it might be three people of color, not black, but

[00:58:31] three people of color.

[00:58:32] Like I started watching Survivor because of Wendell, cause I'm from Philly area and

[00:58:35] I'm like, Oh shit, he won?

[00:58:37] Oh fuck.

[00:58:37] And then I was like seeing Davey play and I was like, that was the very next season.

[00:58:42] I'm like, yo, Survivor is that shit.

[00:58:44] I liked it because it was a physical aspect in the beginning, but then really being

[00:58:50] invested into the black characters.

[00:58:51] I'm like, yo, they really playing a game and they really trust them.

[00:58:56] Like that's what I'm thinking.

[00:58:58] And I'm like.

[00:58:59] And then the Survivor diversity campaign start on Twitter as well.

[00:59:04] You know what I mean?

[00:59:05] So I mean, it all, it all kind of is in sync and goes together.

[00:59:10] You know what I mean?

[00:59:11] So it's, I mean, honestly, there's a different reasons that a lot of people can go to black

[00:59:16] Twitter. You can go for the discussion threads.

[00:59:18] Not for me.

[00:59:19] I'm there for the hilarity.

[00:59:21] I'm there.

[00:59:21] You know, if I, if there's something big that happens on, you know, like a big event

[00:59:26] that has, that's a little traumatic, then I might lean on black Twitter for a little

[00:59:29] support at these days, but give me the funny.

[00:59:32] That's what I want.

[00:59:32] I want the funny.

[00:59:33] And I learned that.

[00:59:35] Yeah.

[00:59:37] And people and people won't tell you, okay, that was a, that was a drag queen, y'all

[00:59:40] black drag queen by the way.

[00:59:42] But you know, whatever.

[00:59:44] They won't talk about it.

[00:59:45] Right.

[00:59:45] But you have to have these document, uh, docuseries and you have to have people who

[00:59:50] are willing to document these things because we'll lose it.

[00:59:52] This is becoming part of our history.

[00:59:54] Like the, the movements that we saw don't happen without Twitter.

[00:59:58] So it's not something we can just acknowledge.

[01:00:00] And like Jay was saying, we can't gatekeep that.

[01:00:02] We have to tell this story because then people will say, okay, it's not like the

[01:00:06] white people just woke up one day and said, you know what?

[01:00:08] Let's give the black people some more stuff.

[01:00:10] Right.

[01:00:10] Like, I think we were being a little too hard on the black folks.

[01:00:13] No, it took tweets.

[01:00:14] It took organizing.

[01:00:15] It took all that stuff that started on Twitter and that led to bigger.

[01:00:18] Honestly, I got hired onto RHAP as a part as a diversity

[01:00:23] initiative during that time.

[01:00:25] A lot of us did.

[01:00:26] It was during that time.

[01:00:27] So without those tweets, without all the track, all the stuff that surrounding

[01:00:31] that time during the pandemic where people are just at home tweeting over and

[01:00:35] over again, talking about diversity, talking about needing more characters,

[01:00:38] talking about the lack of diversity.

[01:00:39] You don't have those moments that you don't get the podcast.

[01:00:42] I don't get the opportunity to podcast that I got.

[01:00:45] Right.

[01:00:45] And we don't get these spaces where people are looking for Nicole's podcast,

[01:00:50] right, for her very specific group of people that says, okay, like I don't

[01:00:54] see me, but I see black by reality.

[01:00:56] And that speaks to me.

[01:00:57] They come to my podcast.

[01:00:59] They say the same thing, the reality kingdom.

[01:01:00] Now, all of a sudden, Taryn is not the only voice for big brother and it

[01:01:03] helps because Taryn, I'm black.

[01:01:05] So there's a lot of stories that these CBS people have not been telling

[01:01:08] because they didn't have no black people on staff.

[01:01:10] They didn't know how to tell you stories.

[01:01:12] Even the podcasters, they ain't have, they didn't know any of

[01:01:14] these black experiences.

[01:01:16] So now we get to come into these conversations, give our own points of

[01:01:19] view and really expand people's worldview in the way that they watch

[01:01:23] these shows and it all goes back to black Twitter.

[01:01:26] So incredible time talking to y'all.

[01:01:29] It's been an hour.

[01:01:30] I told you I keep it tight, but that was so much fun.

[01:01:33] Uh, is there anything else y'all wanted to highlight before we go?

[01:01:36] Nicole, you got anything to add?

[01:01:39] I think I made sure to mention the women and the gays.

[01:01:43] Look, and without them, none of this, look, none of this positive

[01:01:46] black shit would be possible.

[01:01:48] Jay West, thank you for joining me here on recap kickback for your first one.

[01:01:52] Thank you.

[01:01:53] Thank you so much.

[01:01:54] Um, guys, I'm wild west it's Wednesday.

[01:01:56] So I say wild west Wednesday shit.

[01:01:59] Um, you can follow me on social media.

[01:02:00] I make random rants, um, every morning.

[01:02:04] So yeah, that's, that's where I'm at.

[01:02:05] I love talking just in general, you know, I love, I love being around people

[01:02:10] and I talk shit on Twitter if you want to fuck with me, but thanks for having me, bro.

[01:02:14] It's been a pleasure.

[01:02:16] Jay West.

[01:02:17] Don't forget to let people know what you got working on, on your YouTube

[01:02:20] page, which is spades content.

[01:02:21] Yeah.

[01:02:22] So if we, we had the best area right now, if you guys know spades,

[01:02:27] obviously we know spades and I, and I wanted to share the game space,

[01:02:31] your pal, so, and I'm like, anybody can play space.

[01:02:33] It's not just a black thing, but I wanted to have people play space.

[01:02:36] And I wanted to turn it into like a reality TV sense.

[01:02:40] Like you can have confessionals and if you want to play spades, get with me.

[01:02:44] We can make you Tyrone.

[01:02:46] You see, you can play with your fellow and I can play with Nicole.

[01:02:48] We can run shit.

[01:02:49] You feel me?

[01:02:51] Strategic.

[01:02:51] You know what I'm saying?

[01:02:53] Space entertaining.

[01:02:54] I thought of that idea because one day I was watching fucking poker on TV.

[01:02:57] I love poker, but it's boring as hell to watch.

[01:02:59] And I'm like, Oh, you could travel the world as a two player team.

[01:03:04] We can run this shit.

[01:03:04] So, you know what I'm saying?

[01:03:05] That's, that's my idea.

[01:03:06] I had people actually recording, but you know, just get with me.

[01:03:11] I'm still in the works for it and yeah, just look out for it.

[01:03:14] Yes.

[01:03:15] Subscribe to Jay West's YouTube account.

[01:03:17] Subscribe to his social media so you can get more updates on the spades

[01:03:21] content because he's been working hard on it.

[01:03:23] He's got it coming soon, but don't you, you'll miss it again.

[01:03:26] We were going to try to do like a little crossover thing where we

[01:03:28] maybe get some spades going on here, but the timing wasn't working out.

[01:03:31] Mari took a leave of absence for obvious reasons.

[01:03:34] So we weren't able to get it going, but we are all waiting patiently for

[01:03:37] Jay West to release the spades footage.

[01:03:40] Okay.

[01:03:40] So keep, keep an eye on that.

[01:03:43] Make sure you keep up with Jay West.

[01:03:44] Jay West, thank you for coming.

[01:03:45] Nicole.

[01:03:47] Thank you again.

[01:03:48] It's always a pleasure to have you.

[01:03:50] Thank you for having me.

[01:03:52] Um, yeah.

[01:03:53] If you enjoyed my takes on here, please follow Black by Reality podcast.

[01:03:59] We talk about reality TV through a black queer lens as I am the head

[01:04:04] bisexual baddie on the podcast.

[01:04:06] We are talking about I kissed a girl, which is a British show, but get the VPN.

[01:04:12] It's worth it.

[01:04:13] Uh, and perfect match is coming up and big brother.

[01:04:18] So like Chappelle said, if you want more black voices, black queer voices for

[01:04:24] your upcoming big brother season, please add me to the roster.

[01:04:30] Hey, thank you, Nicole.

[01:04:32] Nicole, did you watch challengers?

[01:04:35] Oh, I know that's my brand.

[01:04:38] I know, but I have not yet.

[01:04:42] That's a mistake.

[01:04:43] See, cause I was going to reach out to you to have you on the podcast where we did

[01:04:46] it, but, uh, we are, our recording time was very like off, so I was like, I don't

[01:04:50] want to bother Nicole is like, but I needed to take myself to the movies and I will.

[01:04:57] I just need to be in the right.

[01:04:59] Or if you need, if you need the link, just saying.

[01:05:04] I didn't see that's what I need.

[01:05:06] You know, that's why we had to kick back.

[01:05:08] That's what we do here.

[01:05:09] You know, I want to watch it with my partner.

[01:05:11] My partner has ADHD.

[01:05:13] Like we're going to have to pause discuss before the threesome happens and all that.

[01:05:20] I'm we're going to start a group text me, you Latanya, your partner, go ahead and

[01:05:23] get no worries, challenges, content coming your way.

[01:05:28] Tyrone.

[01:05:29] Thanks again, man.

[01:05:30] Yeah, man.

[01:05:31] Uh, I had a great time.

[01:05:33] Uh, Nicole, Jay West, first time podcasting and meeting with y'all.

[01:05:37] It was a blast.

[01:05:38] Uh, Nicole, I'm definitely going to tune into black bar reality for sure.

[01:05:42] Um, or follow it and then tune into the podcast.

[01:05:45] And then Jay West, I just came from a space table last night.

[01:05:47] Yo, I'm just, you know, I'm trying to, I'm trying to play.

[01:05:51] I'm just saying, I busted a couple of heads last night.

[01:05:55] You know what I mean?

[01:05:56] A little Boston on, on, on, on a game.

[01:06:00] You playing kids.

[01:06:01] I'm ready.

[01:06:01] They playing sweet people.

[01:06:03] Like I've never seen a Boston.

[01:06:04] Yeah.

[01:06:04] Yeah.

[01:06:04] Yeah.

[01:06:04] No, we ain't, we ain't go where we going.

[01:06:07] Brady with the shape up.

[01:06:09] Yeah.

[01:06:09] I see you.

[01:06:13] Thank you so much Ty.

[01:06:14] So yeah, no, uh, it was a job.

[01:06:16] It was a good time, you know, happy to be here for more and you'll be back.

[01:06:20] You definitely will be back.

[01:06:21] And then of course y'all know what it is.

[01:06:23] Recap kickback.com.

[01:06:25] That's where you can find the podcast.

[01:06:27] Um, moving forward, we're going to cover wrap up this coverage of Abbott

[01:06:30] elementary, me and Gia are gonna, I mean, we're coming up on our finale.

[01:06:33] So we're going to knock that out for you all.

[01:06:35] Uh, Sasha and I are covering summer's house Martha's vineyard.

[01:06:38] So that's almost done.

[01:06:40] And then, uh, I got some other stuff in the chamber, you know, working

[01:06:44] on some things for the summertime.

[01:06:46] So you got to tune into recap kickback.com and our YouTube page

[01:06:49] youtube.com slash at recap kickback for that information and more, and make

[01:06:52] sure you're following on social media at recap kickback on all social media

[01:06:56] platforms, but for this entire panel and for those amazing, amazing panelists

[01:07:01] on the black Hulu documentary, quick shout out to Van Lathan, April rain.

[01:07:07] Uh, Dr.

[01:07:07] Andre Brock.

[01:07:08] I mean, so many names, so many names, kid fury, uh, Dr.

[01:07:11] Meredith Clark, lovey.

[01:07:13] I used to follow lovey back in the day that Roxanne, all the people,

[01:07:16] all the icons of Twitter.

[01:07:18] Thank you all for tuning in.

[01:07:20] Thank y'all for checking out his positive black content.

[01:07:22] And I will talk to you all next time.

[01:07:24] Cause you ain't gotta go home.

[01:07:25] You got to get the hell up out of here.

[01:07:26] Peace out.

[01:07:30] God damn self.