Charm School Kickback LIVE - Episode 11 Recap

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[00:00:56] Welcome back again everybody to Recap Kickback presents the Charm School Kickback live here on RecapKickback.com. It's me your host Chappell and I am here to talk to you about this show. This show, we're here to talk about Charm School. It's over. We have a winner. We have a reunion.

[00:01:20] We have the Tyra Banks special and we have the Meet the Ladies special from the beginning of the series to talk about today live. And with me, as usual, my co-host going through this journey for the very first time is Chantel Francis. Chantel, welcome back. I'm sad it's over! I actually wish I'd watched the episode zero beforehand, but it was good also kind of watching it like zero and then watching the reunions. Like where they started and where they are now.

[00:01:51] But, I mean obviously I loved it all and like, yeah. They're just like a group of, a very good group of girls and I can't wait to know what's next because like I'm sad that this is over. Yes, we have completed our Charm School watch and I've been teasing to Chantel that we will learn what's next in the Flavor of Love cinematic universe right after we finish Charm School. And so we will talk about that today.

[00:02:15] But we had to tap our resident Flavor of Love and Charm School expert to come on and join us for his seasonal podcast appearance. And this time he's back to give us more insight into these girls. It's Matt Scott. Matt Scott, welcome back. You know, you know I love a seasonal podcast appearance. I'm thrilled to be here. We're going to get into it. We're going to break it down, all of it. Lots of mess though, Chappelle. You really assigned a lot to us today.

[00:02:46] Oh yeah, we had homework. And so thanks to the listeners of this very podcast, we had some suggestions. And so we had to go in and do that homework. And so big shout out to all the people who watch us live here on YouTube, YouTube.com slash at Recap Kickback. But also the people who watch us on Twitch, Twitch.tv slash Chappelle's underscore show. I think it is what it is. I should probably brand that to Recap Kickback too. And then of course, you know, all the people who listen to us on their podcatcher of choice.

[00:03:14] And so they demanded it. And so we had to do the research. But Chantel, where do you want to start? Because we have a lot to cover in this podcast. I think starting with Zero, then Tyra Banks, then the reunion, I think is the seemingly most fitting order. Okay. So in the Zero episode, we did get to catch up with a lot of our faves from Charm School and see what we thought.

[00:03:42] Well, what they thought about their journeys going into the season. We got to hear from each of the contestants and see them back at home. And it was in that lull between, you know, flavor of love and their immediate fame to when they started Charm School. And so we saw that a lot of them had kind of got their own little patch of fame. We have to talk about Pumpkin. She can't even eat out at restaurants, you know, without people being like, Pumpkin, I love you, girl.

[00:04:08] I agree. You should have spat on that bitch, New York. Yeah. That's crazy, by the way. Like what a crazy take from that. And did she have to pay those people to run up to her like that? Like, that's what I want to know. No. Well, Matt, I guess I'll shoot that question back to you. If you saw Pumpkin in a diner in 2026, would she would you have to be paid to speak to her or would you be running up to her and talking to her?

[00:04:36] That's such a messy question. I would I would absolutely have to be paid to speak to her. I first I don't know if I would recognize her in 2026. Who knows? But yeah, I'd have to be paid for that. And we'll skip we'll get ahead to it. But I really thought she was going to spit in Monique's face in the reunion. So I don't want to go anywhere near that smelly spit. Whatever's going on with her mouth.

[00:05:05] Well, it's going a lot of places. Right. Because we know that she failed that, you know, anyways, for me, Chabelle, go up to her for free. I want to take a photo with her. Oh, absolutely. You deserve that. You know, I think we did. I think we deserve it because these contestants really like Matt's being a jerk. These contestants are iconic. All of them are iconic pumpkins.

[00:05:34] Pumpkin's my one. I'm just like, not today. Not today, pumpkin. Not today. Not today. No, pumpkin. No, I don't know. I think at this point we've done the research. All these people. We owe them all photo ops. You know, I don't think anybody has hit the point where I would be like, it's not cool to at least tell somebody I saw them. But seeing pumpkin kind of reacting in her own neighborhood and people being like, oh, you know, like she's famous for our neighborhood. Right.

[00:06:01] Because this is the early stages of reality TV where normal people were just like becoming famous and household names. So even if it is just pumpkin from Bakersfield, you still kind of have to go up and support your people. I have to say, I feel like I've talked much shit about pumpkin to want to meet her in person. But that actually brings up a good question. I'm so curious for both of you. Who's like spot whose little little segment you'd want to be involved in?

[00:06:30] I'm not even sure what my smile looked a little bit fun. Oh, OK. Yeah. It did look like she was having a good time. She did. You know, the sex shop and the strip club and old. She's starting pole dancing to empower youth. Like, I think she was onto something because pole dancing got big. And so if she started her own brands, like you can order like a home pole.

[00:06:57] Like if she got like Smiley's pole for, you know, at home. Oh my God. Right. Ahead of her time. She could be a millionaire. Like a zillionaire. No, that's a good point. That's a really good point. Because, you know, like you said, the pole dancing as like a fitness even has taken off, you know, where it's way more than just stripping. And like I've seen some real talented people like on the pole. There's this one dancer that was, I think her name was Eliana, that was on So You Think You Can Dance.

[00:07:26] And so she was a ballerina. And so she would do pole in her ballet point shoes. And like, she was incredible. She may have even won the season or came second. Like she was, she was so good. And so maybe Smiley started a new brand of pole stuff. Your reaction. Matt. It could have been good. That's actually insane. You know what though?

[00:07:54] Like Smiley did have a little bit of seed funding that she got in this finale, in the finale. And so who knows, maybe she did start a brand of poles. Maybe. Maybe. I think my favorite segment that I would want to be involved in, and it's going to sound controversial, but I have my reasonings. I got to be in the buck wild section. I got to be in the segment of buck wild because I need to snatch. I need to, I need no, I need to. Hey, Becky, please get it together. This. Stop it. Stop it. I was so embarrassed.

[00:08:24] Stop acting like this. Why is she drunk? Why is she drunk during this entire segment? But like, but you wouldn't be drunk too though, if you're in the segment, right? No. No. No. If I was in the segment, I would be like, Becky, you're white. Well, it's hard watching charm school and then watching Becky now, Becky, watching Becky now with the black scent like turned up even more. Maybe, maybe.

[00:08:53] Do you think that what, what, what could, what could buck wild be doing with her, this accent that she, should she be teaching other. Like other. You say continue teaching. White. How to have a black scent. The, the, the problem is like the blatant code switching that she does not have to do. Like you don't have to live like this. Like, yes, you look like you live in an area where, you know, there are black people around you. Cool. But you don't have to talk like them to assimilate. You could just be you.

[00:09:24] And it'll be okay. And we'll see her later on throughout the episode being like, I'm, I talk when I have Afghanistan friends. I talk like Afghanistan. People are like, what does that mean? Stop saying that. I wish I knew how to speak Afghani. It's still like, does she speak this? Like, like, does she know this? Right. It's like, what are you saying? Like, you just start, she just starts. Like I got Mexican friends. So I speak Mexican. Shut up. Stop it. Stop it. And I think it's frustrating because we did just watch her journey on crime school where

[00:09:54] we know Rebecca Johnston is alive and well. And that woman is when she wants to win the money, Rebecca Johnston shows up. Okay. And she's willing to speak to the manager if necessary. We see her crying in Monique's office a couple of times. So it's just like this, this dissonance between like what she's trying to tell us and what we're seeing on screen. And so I just, I just really wish I didn't have such an ick for Buck Wilde because she's such a good character. I will give her that. She's a great character.

[00:10:24] I'm curious as to where she's gone from this show. Like did, had she gotten married? Like who did she marry? Who did Buck Wilde marry? It's a really fun question if she did get married. Well, I'm glad you brought this question up because I was flagged by Matt at the beginning before we started this podcast and said like, Hey, we got to do some updates on people. There are people that we can do updates on and not to tip my hand too much. Chantel, we cannot give you an update on Becky Buck Wilde. Not yet.

[00:10:52] Because it's going to tip me off on something else. Maybe. She is off limits today. I'm trying to love. I don't know. I'm trying to love. Buck Wilde. Buck Wilde things. Like, I don't know. Stop. Buck Wilde things. Yeah. It's just as bad when you, when you do Buck Wilde. Buck Wilde doing Buck, Buck. 2026. We can't do that.

[00:11:21] Gray in the chat says, what if Buck Wilde becomes a dialect coach? Matt, what do you think about that as a career? You know what? I think that's a horrible idea for Buck Wilde. I don't think that she, like what? Come on. She can teach you public speaking. I do feel like she could do voice acting though. Oh, absolutely. She is a voice actor. Black character or white character? Definitely a white character that might be having some identity issues.

[00:11:49] So yeah, she was the big standout for me. What did you think about some of these other people that we got to see? Oh, Matt, what did you think about Toasty? You know what? I'm... What about the cats? She deserves a bet. Yeah. Because she is like such a solid person, but I feel like... People always just like... They always look at her and they're like, oh, stripper porn. She did porn that one time. Which like, for all we know, that might have been back in like 2001. You know what I mean?

[00:12:19] She was 18 when she did it. She's 21 on this show or something like that. Oh, so it's actually been 2001. Like 2000. Yeah, she was a baby. But it was like years before. And the fact that that's such a big part of her story is wild because... I don't think we've updated on Toasty yet, but one day we'll give an update on Toasty. Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, Toasty is also on our list of people that we will not be updating you on today, Chantel. Sorry. Is Toasty gonna show?

[00:12:47] Toast to love from Toasty to love. Everything needs to have like to love, of love. To love, of love. Toasty and love. Toasty in love. Yeah, I know we talked about the Tyra show of it all, but we could talk about Toasty's whole little package here because it does bleed over into the Tyra show appearance. That episode that we watched was kind of in the middle of Flavor of Love season two.

[00:13:12] So they didn't know who the winner, the winner wasn't announced yet officially, but then we knew it wasn't any of the women on stage, I think at that point. And Toasty's porn star career is brought up by a messy contestant, I mean a messy crowd person, Chantel. So she's like, I have a question for Toasty. Um, what do you, what do you think about the porn? Blah, blah, blah. And Toasty says like, I didn't do, I did a Playboy style magazine when I was 18. It was taken advantage. Like it was taken, it was published, all this kind of stuff. And I've since moved on.

[00:13:42] And I don't understand why this keeps coming up. Like I actively do porn. It was a photo shoot. It's over. I moved on. Chantel, what do you think? I think she did porn. Chantel said, I don't care. I just feel like, I feel like, I feel like I've seen it. Like, I don't know. Like, I feel like I've seen. You feel like you've seen Toasty porn? I don't know. Like, it just, when they said it, I was like, I feel like this is familiar.

[00:14:08] Like, I feel like I've seen maybe, maybe the photo or like, I don't know. Why are you making that face? What did you see? What was it? I don't know. I just, like, I'm like a flash. By Lulu. Of like, what can you say? Of like her, like, with her feet around her head. Oh my gosh. Chantel. Describe it in detail. Be right. Draw it. I don't want to draw it. You can picture it.

[00:14:36] Like, feet around her head, naked. That's very specific. That's the flash that I get. I was like, oh! Like, so, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But also, like, why does it even matter? You know what I'm saying? Like, why do we keep bringing up Toasty's porn? But maybe we bring it up because you could either bring up her porn, you bring up her drinking, but like, we're not getting much character development from her. Chantel, you freaky frown. I don't even, it's like, it's, I don't know.

[00:15:06] Maybe it's, maybe I'm making up this image in my head, but it would have been from a long time. A long time ago. So. You know what's funny? You said it, but I was about to say it too. Porn? Yeah. I feel like there was more, but you know. I feel like Toasty got a raw deal. Like, I just, I don't feel like it was a Playboy style photo shoot. Hasteful. Maybe Penthouse, but like, I don't know.

[00:15:34] It definitely wasn't Playboy. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I think Toasty got a raw deal because they really put her on blast on the Tyra episode because yeah. Raw? Definitely raw. Um, uh, she got a raw deal. I think putting her on blast on the Tyra show, it was very much a sign of the times, Matt, you know, like you go on the show and then the Jerry Springer style questions start coming in, you know, where the crowd's like hooping and hollering, trying to get you caught up again. Toasty was 18 when this photo shoot happened. He's basically a baby.

[00:16:03] And then now she is like 21, 22 on flavor of love. And people are like still trying to read. This is season two of flavor of love. And people are like, nah, Toasty, we going to talk about this porn thing. You did. It's a little slut shamey. Just a little bit. But I didn't get like, okay, this took, this took me the time. Uh, we're still on the episode zero, but the whole Tyra piece like took me to a whole other side of the internet, which is the Tyra Banks critique, which is like everyone's going

[00:16:33] back and looking at Tyra and Chappelle. I'm amazed that you found this episode to begin with because Tyra Banks is like impossible to find online. Um, for anyone who hasn't watched the episode of the Tyra Banks show that we're talking about, um, the audio quality sounds like it was coming like literally through like a, you know, like the tin cans with the string. It sounded like it was coming through the string. So, um, that was bad, but like Tyra was horrible this time around.

[00:17:03] Um, including slapping flame side note. Uh, there's a lot. There's a lot. Do we think that they might've had any sexual relations? No, no, no, no. So she was, she was being a jerk to Flav on that. It's like, if you kissed me and then acted like this in public, I would've aired your shit out. Like I'd have been on there. Like you want to say that when you was licking my face, you know, like, that's why you don't want to play those games.

[00:17:32] Um, the, the zero episode was really a look into these people's lives outside of the show. We don't have to spend too much time on it. Cause we do have a lot to cover, but is there anybody else that you really want to flag up as like, you know, having a really big moment or something that said, I'm telling you. Hey. Hey, hey, hey. Ah, yes. Crazy. Um. Crazy. She, she, she, we updated on her, right? We get an update? We have to.

[00:17:59] Well, so crazy is an interesting case because she does it's, we do learn about her music career. She's going by Nevae officially, you know, uh, for the music, but Chantel crazy is not the most shocking music revelation we get because I'm pretty sure. What was it? My man, my mansion, my money, Matt is dropping soon. And, uh, that's a Shatar original. Yeah. You and Chappelle texted me.

[00:18:29] Like I produced the song. Like he was, it's like, he was mad at me on SoundCloud, but I, you know, I, you know, I have a little segment right now, a little musical segment. I wish I can't, I can't figure out how to play it on here. So I don't think we can do it. Yeah. Go look it up. My man, my mansion, my money. Why don't you play it off your phone? It's a SoundCloud. Cause then it's going to, the audio is going to be like that Tyra Banks show audio and I don't want to do that. Um, but, um, maybe if I figure out a way to put it like on the soundboard, um, then

[00:18:58] maybe we'll play it in the future as like some bonus. I'm just troubleshooting. But what if you just like shared the tab screen of the SoundCloud? Um, I might have a better way. Give me one. You can do that. Um, I love how you really want to hear this Chantel. You're like, no, we need to play this on the podcast. Of course I want to hear this. What am I here for if I don't want to hear this? I know part of me though was like, I don't want to get sued by, uh, my guitar.

[00:19:25] Like, do you think that, do you think Shazam would know this song? Oh, Shazam? No. Like if we played it, if Shazam would be like, this is whatever it was called by Shadar. No. It's not going to know. We won't get flagged for sure. I'll tell you that much. Um, let's put it like this. I found, um, a YouTube account.

[00:19:53] Uh, Matt, are you familiar with money banks media? Never heard of it. What is money banks media? It's touted as well close. It's touted as the entertainment channel for Shatar, Hattie, Safira, award-winning vocalist, celebrity actress, published songwriter, and children's book illustrationist. And with that, um, I have found the clip of the music video because that's what I do. A music video? Yes. Oh, there's a video?

[00:20:23] Okay. Wait, I'm behind. I feel really bad as the number one. I unironically number one fan of Hattie, AKA Shatar. Um, I'm over the moon. Let's do this. Let's do it. I like the big money.

[00:20:52] Let's go. Let's get this out. We're like, okay, let's do it. Let's go.

[00:21:16] i think that's enough um i'm into it it's fun i was getting my life i'm sorry that was a look okay i think she could do better on the vocals i think she was playing on those vocals because we even heard her on flavor of love and she was like actually good so i don't know what that was now maybe she should have pretended to be like destiny's child or something like that

[00:21:40] because since she's beyonce beyonce that's her twin yeah that's her twin um so now that you heard the hottie song um whose album are you buying first neve or shit hard album hottie for sure it has like a nice beat beats good yeah yeah it was good because like look crazy i don't want a

[00:22:03] ballad by nevaa like yeah i ballad and your voice is just like like it's kind of hard to sell did you ever find music by crazy have we ever found that i was not able to i found uh hottie performing lady gaga's poker face uh if you really want to get into her her catalog you really have to follow her youtube account money banks media um you know what uh i think i need to vet it but i think

[00:22:32] you're all right i think you're okay while we're talking about it by the way um hottie and this is like future hottie uh i could say there's a video i love of her performing the national anthem so hottie yes of course what do you mean you you act shocked what do you mean yeah where where was which where where where was it i don't know events with people there no i thought it was like

[00:22:55] like is that a yankees game like let's be serious little league softball very little um yeah hottie is a singer so yeah between nevae and uh shatar we got a couple music careers popping off in the year of our lord 2007 and i'm sure will be lucrative and will lead to a lot

[00:23:21] of grammys and and all kinds of things and it's still early you know there could still be an album coming a reunion special album maybe a a joint album with crazy and hottie crazy hot oh my gosh you are just like naming a such a good good album a good duo are they friends at all where's delicious though is my question like come on get her in there yeah that's the real star that's the real star that's

[00:23:50] she's not pursuing music is she yeah no uh not that i know of but is there anybody else pursuing music um from this season not that i can think of anybody else have a song matt that you can chappelle chappelle did we talk about how delicious had a song after their season after season two no i don't think we talked about it no we didn't talk about she had a song and we i don't think we

[00:24:16] play it because the action might get flagged we will get flagged but rump shaker i remember rump shaker vividly i remember my ipod i remember that too it was on my ipod ipod nano i think it was a nano yeah um or mini or something like that but yeah rump shaker was on there and it chantelle it's a bop okay battle of the bops i want to hear them all we should have like a we should have like a christmas

[00:24:44] concert night or something like that where we just play like all the music from all these ladies um they don't talk about delicious at all during the um the tyra banks episode because they're really focusing on these people that have been eliminated from the show to that point um to me the mvp of the tyra banks episode it's like i think it's i think it's boots it seemed like flave was really just

[00:25:07] enjoying her time she uh started some beef uh with who was she talking trash to was it um dang i can't even remember i think was it thayla she was like she's jealous of me she wants to be me there was again though i keep on forgetting that's rain oh oh oh i'm excited yeah talk about her uh with the reunion too because um they i'm just gonna say

[00:25:35] it thayla does not want to be there she doesn't want to be anywhere and she doesn't want to be involved with any of these women um it's very clear even even with tyra mm-hmm yeah um tyra let's let's get ahead of tyra she's rude she's rude as hell she brings flave on the show she basically insults his child's name she's like designer what kind of name is that it's like tyra don't get cussed out um we got a spelling for designer which we all did

[00:26:04] discuss here d-a apostrophe capital z y-n-a beautiful name by the way um she talks about she asked flave like does he cheat um she questions flave about slapping brachete nielsen after she slapped him then she goes on to slap flave thinking he wouldn't hit her back he does on stage there was a lot of

[00:26:28] unhinged moments in this episode chantelle like they're gonna go for they went on a date they literally went on a date it was crazy yeah i i mean i would never really have tyra banks and flava flave going on a date on my bingo card i don't think i'd ever have it on it um and i can't believe that actually happened now what would have been really cool if they had a full circle

[00:26:52] like basically 20 years later if she was still hosting dancing with the stars oh he was just on the dancing with the stars as a judge a little while ago and so that would have been interesting to be like oh i mean tyra we uh had a date one time and yeah it would have been nice to see a little full circle reunion tyra's so fake she wouldn't even bring it up like she'd pretend it didn't happen yeah but flava flava bring it up flave would bring it up yeah he would bring it up i like

[00:27:19] flave so much in this i really enjoyed flave in this uh in this show because he i remember there's one point where he's like thanking god for you know the amount of success he's had and his recent resurgence and tyra was like why don't men always thank god and then go drink a 40 girl shut up like she's so judgmental it's annoying so judgy like that and i get i get it right it's daytime tv in the in the 2000 mid 2000s or whatever it's that type of vibe but she's calling him out about

[00:27:47] his tea girls yeah yeah and you know me i'm a grill enthusiast so i was like tyra slow down um but yeah talking to him about the cheating asking him about i think she was the one who put him on blast about boots and her celibacy it's like oh well how long are you gonna wait you know he's like i'll wait for whenever we're ready and she's like well i mean what what happens if you're not ready it's like tyra get off this man's neck it was very hard to watch yeah it was it was uncomfortable

[00:28:14] to watch like it's typical tyra but like it's he was she's also really putting him down and trying to make it be him make it be a joke and like it just didn't it didn't come off well it definitely broke me the wrong way i've never really been a tyra fan i liked the early stages of the tire bag show but like i i never really liked her and she always keeps up proving proving me why i'm not a big fan

[00:28:41] yeah i just feel like the like for me the combination of watching all of this was jarring because it really brought us back hey uh it brought us back to this time that um one is like so distinct where tyra could just ask those questions and get away with it but also i feel so bad for all the women involved um just because like this is their real life um even if we're getting kind of like the

[00:29:09] caricature versions of it especially in episode zero like it's their real life and they were also being paid like nothing to do it so um yeah it's a lot yeah they didn't get rich off the show they did not like even when we went back to their real lives the only person who seemed like they were relatively wealthy was um boots and i just think her family got some money because her house yeah she was like here's my mansion oh and by the way this is this and it like shows her mom's bedroom it's like oh yeah

[00:29:37] here's my bedroom and it's like oh okay um got it this is the fam this is the family's house the family home do we know what her family does because i was impressed by like how like nice the house was no um i don't know what uh larissa's family does but yeah i liked the little tour or whatever and i do think that she was a standout in the tyrant episode we bring out something toasty like that

[00:30:01] boots bucky crazy and buck wild and boots immediately put something on blast like some of these girls are jealous of me they want to be me and something's like i don't want to be you i never wanted to be you and you could tell there was some tension there and i can tell if boots was putting it off of the camera because she knows that's kind of her persona or if she's legit beefing with these women i think it's a mix of both you know i think that maybe things would have been swept under the rug

[00:30:30] if like if it was like a regular situation but like because her brand is to kind of be beefing on these type of shows and this is what's making her popular she's probably going to make the beef last a little longer yeah she's look i i agree with monique she has anger issues um so i do think it's

[00:30:51] legit um but she's also like how old like 23 yeah yeah she's a youth um matt how did you feel about something's redemption arc she got to tell her story okay i still don't understand how it happened look i just leave like no no i understand how it happened off the stage chantel they made her stand

[00:31:18] there and she's like again a the age to me is everything but also these people had not been on reality tv ever before they didn't think they would ever get to do it again if you tell me to stand there for two hours like i'm gonna probably stand there in under her circumstances but i mean she should have gone to the bathroom because i will never do like dookie

[00:31:42] they're trying to get this to happen no like no i don't think they care about them let's see if we make them stand here for long enough that they'd have to defecate on the floor i don't i don't think that they were hoping that that would happen but i don't think they care about them women not not at this stage in reality tv this is just the new batch of girls right the first batch worked okay bring in the money makers you know we're bringing in more and she's like i gotta go to the restroom they're like oh yeah yeah just wait one second i promise we'll be right there with you an hour goes by hey

[00:32:11] i really gotta go uh yeah yeah yeah uh just don't move we can't miss this shot you can't go anywhere right now we're not allowed to move like you said chantelle she should have just walked off the stage but i think so early on and like you don't want to ruin your opportunity and like they told you you do something whatever you don't want but like yeah i probably would have been like uh sorry i gotta go to to be fair this could we all agree this wouldn't have happened to any of the other girls

[00:32:39] like none of them would have just waited there to to uh defecate on their own person or on the floor like none of them but she's you know she's kind of like out there a little bit marches to the beat of her own drum it could have been because of nervousness though why that happened that was not nervousness bubbling up for two hours well but okay so just in general with when you experience

[00:33:06] fight or flight um your body tends to want to release everything from it so you potentially could run away from danger fast so she could have been really really nervous and so the bowels were loose yeah i'm not even joking though she was in fight or flight i think that must have been it like and it's

[00:33:30] just it's just she couldn't hold it in because she she's nervous and yeah you should be a pr person i mean she definitely needed it back then because they were trying to make her a laughing stock flay had her back though flay was caping for her he's like i could have voted i could have eliminated her but her character speaks louder than that one accident that she had i think flay kind of probably like was sympathetic to it because he knew that she probably told him hey i have been standing

[00:33:58] here for two hours two hours and i haven't said anything i've just been like every time i asked they shut me down i don't complain i've been quiet you know because if i got voted off of the show for shitting on myself i would i would tell everybody involved hey i stood there for two hours and they wouldn't let me go to the restroom like you i would tell y'all it was a hostage situation if that's why i got voted off the show i don't know if she could sue them they probably signed their life away right by the way yeah absolutely signed their lives away i just have to say chappelle

[00:34:28] flay had her back and there's definitely like a joke in there somewhere um had her backside something like that yeah something like that by the way the thing that's wild to me about that is like you know none of those producers actually wanted her to like they were like oh she's gonna shit herself like she's gonna shit all over maybe they were though no and then they had to clean it she didn't clean it no yeah she might have cleaned it they might have said like girl you gotta clean it up

[00:34:56] i would have you would have seen it if she cleaned it yeah but those were the big highlights from the tyra banks episode i mean tyra got a nickname she's flavorlicious which was fine um but i really just took away that i didn't love how tyra was handling flame you know like slave's not a faultless man but tyra was in full peak tyra banks mode um you know she had a perfect show too at this point right i think it started already

[00:35:23] and like she's probably high in her own supply you know exactly exactly so a little bit to talk about there but the real drama here in this three-parter is the reunion special we gotta talk about it lala as we get into it i just need to say because we never talk about this i think my favorite part of each reunion is when lala says all their names and we get their reactions yeah because you get

[00:35:50] like pumpkin and she does like a demure wave but then you get like it cuts to to rain or thayla and she we get no reaction she doesn't want to be there like you could tell um i just and i i also love and i would just encourage anyone to like go back and watch it because you see the girls and like the thing they do to hype up themselves like buck wild definitely did something offensive i'm sure while she was doing

[00:36:14] it um like but like you see all the other people around them so like you get like um you know becky like is introduced but then like jennifer does like a weird half smile shatar's waving but then people are like oh shatar like yeah it's just funny to me to see who wants to be there and who doesn't because they are what contractually obligated um very and then yeah i don't know who dresses them

[00:36:42] but that's a whole other story it's a mess yes so you want to be their silence i want it's a look for that oh we should have did it's a look for charm school because they yeah especially for the tyra banks episode yeah the the 2007 fashion was really like in in full demand there um so we bring in the class of 07 brooke crystal becky jennifer shatar courtney shay tayla dara and then our two finalists

[00:37:10] safari and lay lean but backstage we have boots the big bad boots has been separated from the rest of the women uh la la is back and she brings out monique first and her first segment is with shatar she talked they we get the clips of her doing the going to that winery or whatever that vineyard and she's talking about how she wants to be with the upper crust and then we see her kind of bumbling

[00:37:35] and knocking stuff over monique says shatar you are a character you stay in character all the time sister i was just like okay um she talks about how the words she chooses are important and then the crowd of women is like not okay um but she's like they're like arguing they're already fighting you can tell it's starting to bubble up and monique's like hey we're gonna handle ourselves with respect

[00:38:01] she's still in teacher mode chantelle is it bad for me to say that i did not love monique this episode at i think it's unanimous at all i think it's unanimous okay fine to be to play this headmistress role whatever at the charm school i appreciate it's probably was her idea for to have this happen so i'm

[00:38:26] thankful for her but like the way that she was so condescending and so like her ways the right way how she does everything is the way it's supposed to be done now we're supposed to now they're supposed to be role models and they're trying to make all these women a role model i'm just as like why aren't you the authority on how every black woman should act uh like it like anyways it just that was the beginning of her starting to irk me and i was like shatar is really not that bad

[00:38:56] like she's like she's she's she's okay you know like yeah yeah and that requires so much reprimanding you know what i mean i was just like she just seems like she just wants something she just want to put her down or make her feel bad or like put her in her place i do love that shatar doesn't give any fucks she don't care yeah no no shatar stood her ground and she defended herself and i thought that was respectable uh she is a queen she has a lot of class but yeah monique um and i

[00:39:25] think that this is a thing about the show too that bothers me like i you know and i was in the chat here as you were podcasting about it a few weeks ago but i thought it was like a little much to call someone the whore of charm school um regardless of how they behave like that's on tv and monique monique is at a point in her career where i mean she i don't know if she was like filming precious at this point or if it just came out like maybe that they meant that maybe that fucked with her head a little

[00:39:54] bit but like it's crazy no um but this is like this okay this is pre-precious she was spiraling yeah she was looking for that big break that big moment but i agree i think monique is the the least valuable player in this entire three episode run like no matter what like she ranks lower than tyra than for me um because monique at no point so any type of kindness or anything to any of the women

[00:40:21] that were not named laylene and safari you know like um her coming in the shatar moment is a big moment because shatar is saying like you can say whatever you want about me but i am not on stage i am not on the show calling people women bitches and whores and stuff like well she did call them whores but she's like i ain't call them bitches and all this other stuff like i am not using profane language we know this we know this about hottie you know as much stuff as she's saying it's all delivered and just like the most like hottie-esque character but you know very it's very

[00:40:51] cutting but it's not you know just like you like she's not doing a lot of the mudslinging that the rest of them are doing she did steal she did steal more like a practical joke it was it was a prank and so um a mean-spirited prank but a prank nonetheless but monique is like really on her she also is on everybody else because they start to argue about this and she's reprimanding them as if she's their moms um the next person she comes that comes out and kind of gets a little bit of

[00:41:17] monique's ire is courtney we talked about goldie and how she was offered that um that spot on the tour chantelle and i've already talked about it matt but what do you feel about goldie's tour spot being offered and then taken away because monique didn't like the joke she was making about her i wonder what the joke is can we find the joke sorry before yeah i mean i don't know i've i've like looked into it i don't know if she was like joking about monique's size in some way or like i've i've

[00:41:45] read some stuff but like there aren't clips of the joke and the thing about courtney aka goldie's that she's so classy that she's got like she owns it and she even owns it on the reunion but i just think monique didn't want to share a stage with courtney like why are you so easily offended like you're a comedian it was a joke if it was a bad joke if hurt your feelings like push through

[00:42:09] like you are an adult you're a mom like come on step it up from a junior comic it must have been something that was really true and really that she's maybe offended by you know like or like really like like hurt by you know yeah um i just think monique is kind of like a little bit weak you know i think she's like because clearly look at shatar look at everything with shatar what did she do wrong

[00:42:38] by the way aside no i have to say they were so fucked up for having her open that bottle of wine like serving all the people what was what are we doing but then you get courtney who's like perfect and then i mean it was good that monique was nice to her but she then had to like have the power and lecture courtney which um i don't think that was cool she she said the offer for the tour was still on the

[00:43:06] table chantelle but that tour never happened that's so whack and like the fact that like i hope courtney says shit about her now after like if she's gonna take it back be like do you know what i don't even take back the take back of the take back like i'm gonna tell as many fat jokes about monique as possible because she sucks yeah i want to hear the set on how monique sucks and courtney was even talking about how she's like courtney's like i'm not a tiny woman either you know she talked about

[00:43:35] that on stage with monique she was like smacking her on her butt like you know that kind of thing being like you know we thick around here and so i don't even know if it was a weight joke but whatever it was really got monique in her feelings and it had lala trying to jump through mental hoops to make it make sense she's like so what you're saying is she needs to practice more on being a comedian and then you're gonna offer it's like that's not what she's saying she's saying i didn't like the jokes you made about me so i took the offer back or maybe i made the offer for tv and i never intended to give it to you in the first place um but whatever the case may be i didn't like that either didn't

[00:44:04] like the goldie segment um yeah no that wasn't good and i i also would just say to add some context like just other watching other interviews at other various points in time from goldie she talked about how you know she'd been doing comedy she was already making jokes about flave so then she was on and she's like well i should be making jokes about monique too um so i don't know what the joke was

[00:44:30] but harmless define this not her cool next next up is the brooke segment we know what that's about monique called her the whore of charm school and brooke is here to defend herself um i you it's you know it's bad when you got me defending pumpkin um because it's like yeah pumpkin pumpkin's like okay i made out with a couple people on the stage i mean on the on the show there was a little groping and dancing

[00:44:57] not a whore i was having a good time you know she's like just because you don't you know just because you don't go out and do those things doesn't mean like i should be frowned upon because i did them and monique hits her with the what are you gonna tell your grandkids why are my grandkids watching fucking flavor of love 20 years later are their names chantelle chapelle and matt and also like what like come on is she pregnant now like what are we doing like that i think it's ridiculous uh

[00:45:25] obviously and i'm with you chapelle i'm not here to defend pumpkin but at this point it just felt a little bit like a shame ritual like let's shame all these women for whatever they did or didn't do um and that's harmful too like what i don't know why monique doesn't have a problem with that well i know why she doesn't because she doesn't actually care well and like it's on all under this guise of like trying to make these women like seeing these

[00:45:52] black women on flavor of love and wanting them to to develop them into these role models and i'm like that's what charm school was like i don't like it just it just seems like you're trying to make you're moving the pole the goal post or whatever like yeah it's like that's is that what it was like what what really was charm school for and give an opportunity for bonique to put people down that

[00:46:18] were acting in a way that she didn't like like i don't think it became that i think it really did become that i think it like was presented like a finishing academy you know like oh you come here to to learn to be posh and to you know learn manners and all this other stuff and yeah and then the feedback monique gets through the season is like yeah monique tell those women they're wrong you know and so she's like yeah i'm gonna tell you um i did enjoy brooke having to go to uh becky about white

[00:46:47] culture because uh what happens is so um safari's kind of calling out brooke a little bit like hey if you can't possibly think the things that you were doing were a good reflection of the show charm school and pumpkin's like hey i was just having a good time yeah i like to make out with people and stuff like that i'm a blonde hair blue eye white lady that's what we do and uh safari said so you saying all white women are whores she said no i'm saying black women are more conservative largely than white

[00:47:15] women are isn't that right becky and you can see buck wilde being like i don't know i'm not a whore i don't know what he's talking about it's like girl you're white why would you come to me with that question she didn't know what to do she was shooketh she wasn't sure whether it'd be rebecca johnson or she's like am i gonna say this from a white standpoint or a black one i don't really know

[00:47:42] um i think pumpkin was trying to validate her own like her own upbringing or whatever i don't think you could be like black people are more conservative largely because i don't think she has the stats on that i'm sure there are probably like surveys and stuff like that done but she don't have the stats she's just talking she's like me and my white homegirls this is what we do we go out we find dudes we kiss on them in public she was like buck wilde i didn't see you do it too uh and so yeah it was it just felt like a dog pile um on pumpkin and like i said not like i'm going to be the

[00:48:10] biggest pumpkin fan but what was the point what is pumpkin going to learn from her reunion at charm school that's going to really change her life she already got fired as a teacher matt yeah she also so no i was just gonna say she also somehow got hired as a teacher in the first place i don't need to do that i don't need to get in monique's boat and start to punch down on pumpkin but yeah that's rough and honestly that didn't get enough airtime that she

[00:48:37] was fired as a teacher like that's sad she just glossed over it she said that in the zero episode chantel that like a lot of them are doing appearances to make money yeah i mean maybe it was the era of the appearances like you know all like the challenge people they're always like going to this bar in this city and like so that's what they were making their money back in the day um because like the role of the influencer wasn't really around yet because it wasn't social media

[00:49:02] and maybe just starting a little bit but like it wasn't really a big thing so club appearances was the ting yeah i mean and you could picture a world where i mean we have a flyer like she might be getting a couple thousand dollars for an appearance like i don't know what the people were making but they were making money they're making good money um so maybe she was a i mean teachers are look honestly she

[00:49:29] could have she probably replaced her teacher's salary now that i think about it she won't make it being paid ten thousand dollars a year back then she's like a cheerleading coach she was making nothing um you i'm glad you mentioned influencers because i do want to go back to one thing from the zero episode my girl my girl crystal inventing influencer culture she said you know what i think i want to do i want to be influential when i get on that's like my goal and i said did she just create being an influencer

[00:49:57] right here in our eyes like this is pre you know social media marketing like that right like facebook is obviously out myspace is a thing there's social media but it is not to the point now where you can go and make a career just being present opening opening uh like packages trying on clothes and just be like this is what i like this is what i like crystal put words to it she almost named it she almost trademarked influencer well maybe she did and maybe that's why they became influencers instead of

[00:50:26] influential yeah i thought that was so cool when she said it i said did she just invent this because i did i did have the same stop uh but matt before you're saying that monique was punching down on pumpkin where are the punch lines is what i want to know like isn't she supposed to be a comedian like why is she not funny no funny i i mean that's different though like she's not she she she writes

[00:50:51] a set she creates it she delivers it um i feel like because to me you're kind of getting at like what was monique going for and i would really love to understand and i don't like where was monique in her life or her career where she felt like i need to be part of a show because i like were they saying that she helped like come up with the concept i because the reason i say that she came up the

[00:51:17] concept is because she's a producer executive producer on it you know what i mean so yeah but like why i'm so confused what she was going for and why she felt like i need to show these women like was she trying to win like an essence award or like an naacp image award like what what was going on at that point in her life that she's like i need to be a respectable role model i think it was just the time i think it was just a very more a more conservative time where slut shaming people and

[00:51:46] things like that was what people were doing on tv to get famous i mean look no further than tyra banks right um think about the things that happened on her first few seasons of of top model these people were not uplifted a lot of them were being shamed for whatever their issue was right they came from a rough background oh okay we're gonna call them ghetto they uh are really thin oh does she have an eating disorder you know it was always like let's find a thing and be critical of that thing and everybody's gonna go home and then make a photo shoot about it right yeah exactly that's what she

[00:52:14] was doing you know um there were so many uh people who kind of were going through and instead of trying to uplift the good parts about them was like really making their whole story about the one bad thing about them or the one thing that they wish they could take back or the one you know whatever so like with something something will always be known as the girl who shat on the stairs there's probably other good things about something we don't know nothing else right right and she should

[00:52:39] be known as that no i just saying that like she should be known like her character became like these one-liners right i think that's what reality tv became at some point was like you are blank the this you are brook the spitter you are crazy the you know the the opportunist you you know crazy the the voice you know i don't know but shatar the gold digger you know like i think they were just trying to put

[00:53:04] people in these little bubbles yeah and monique was like oh i'm i can do that because i can see what all these women are making us look bad and it did come off a little racial too like like this is a specifically a black thing like she's like these black women can't be up here making us look a certain way uh and respectability politics have been a thing for a long time and so i just think it was the time for people to capitalize on that and charm school we found out in this is the highest

[00:53:29] rated vh1 show oh well since well one of the highest rated vh1 shows next to flavor of love like that's it so it's not like people weren't tuning in for this kind of stuff they wanted to see monique get her pound of flesh yeah but you know what like the thing that's weird about it is that i and i feel like this in re-watching charm school sometimes but especially in the reunion monique was really rude she was kind of attacking like everything that makes flavor of love the thing that people want

[00:53:59] to watch and in a way like i i have to imagine vh1 wasn't happy for her at this point in particular because like you're you have all these great characters like boots crazy hottie and she's like kind of trying to end them all of them as characters like as performers as public figures like she it's almost like she wants to like push them out of the spotlight and out of hollywood in

[00:54:28] some way it's it's weird that maybe she was like because she always talks about how she sees herself in larissa so do you think that she was maybe angry or whatnot and then didn't have these type of opportunities and so she's had to overcome them and that's why she's just so mad at these girls that are like that didn't that didn't have to go to the same path that she went through there might be some of that uh and there's definitely probably just like this idea that the way they're getting fame is not

[00:54:56] respectable she's a real artist right she's a comedian she's an actress like those are things that you should be hoisting into the spotlight not oh i got on here and started fighting with people and there's another until to an extent i kind of agree with her that like you know like getting on getting on tv and embarrassing yourself by whatever metrics that means right like if you can't stand by on tv then you shouldn't be doing it now if you're fine with acting that way on tv your family's fine with it whatever go be you who's gonna stop you you know i'm saying but like if it becomes a thing

[00:55:24] where you do feel ashamed and we got all these confessionals of you crying and i don't think that's just me don't it's like okay then don't do those things right and so um you know so it is it is a tightrope to walk i think but i i think maybe a part of it is that they're creating a counterculture to flavor of love flavor of love is massive but there's gotta be a ton of people who are like i don't like this and so this show is for those people and and for the people who like like flavor of love you can still enjoy this because you get the greatest hits but for the people who are

[00:55:53] like yeah but i came here to see y'all get punished they get something too so it's kind of like you start to pick up those straggler viewers uh in a weird way i kind of agree with chantelle though no i definitely agree with chantelle though monique should at least have been funny don't you know these days when we get a comedian host they're funny like joel mckell is funny you know like when if you can attempting to be funny like you know what i mean like it might not land but like

[00:56:16] she there she was just like a mean like old lady yeah like just like these girls i think a few things are probably happening there and i agree with you completely chantelle i think there is something to the fact that maybe she didn't feel like they came she definitely didn't feel like they were coming in the right way um but i also think that the other thing is maybe there's a world where monique was known for her comedy you know she had like the parkers like really successful

[00:56:43] black show and all that sitcom on uh on the networks and that's great but maybe she wanted to go in the direction where she was taken more seriously because we do see her do precious next which is just like maybe her first big drama i mean definitely the best standout drama role um and again like hey it was a choice but okay let's bring her in for precious's mom because yeah yeah

[00:57:14] but yeah i mean she was very mean she was very mean um okay we gotta talk about the winner segments um we get to see safari's greatest hits including the moment where monique tells safari uh when you go in that house find your bed and not a fight um she gets a standing ovation for the crowd and i like that we watched the zero episode right before this because you do see the growth in safari right where she's talking about at first like hey here's the hair salon i work at here's where i like i'm from

[00:57:44] 54th and crinshaw you know we just really getting the safari story but now we see the bookend right where we start with you know she had probably the most tragic story of all of them and then gets to come on this part and be like and now i won and i have so much more going on for myself including a line of lip chat matt oh i love this i know even just talking about her i'm like i need to put some

[00:58:07] on right now because it is like it is really inspirational and you know again we get to see all these women and where they are in life but i do feel like hers was sort of like the heaviest situation and honestly great for her that she had like less than 15 minutes of fame like two minutes of fame and then was able to kind of still come back because we all have these moments on watching reality

[00:58:37] shows where we're thinking like why is this person back for an all-star season or a second chance who is this i don't even remember them the first time around and then they might read redefine themselves um but i look it was beautiful i will say though i can't get over like the change the shift in what they're doing to her hair oh yeah she had to glow up i mean i love but i love her look i just

[00:59:02] love her hair from before i don't know if she went back to the normal safari hairstyle after i'm assuming she did but um no it's yeah it's kind of funny how we got the helmet of hair the helmet oh i think like the finale oh finale hair no that was a mess and then what we were getting in the i don't know maybe she did she had someone do her hair for the uh for the reunion but i liked her hair in the

[00:59:26] reunion i thought she looked really pretty people she looked people rich people were crying chantelle every time basically safari said anything they they they really enjoyed this segment now i don't know exactly what she said to monique though what what was that um did you transcribe that by chance um she was saying that she could see monique had a good heart and she thanks her for being there for her um you know i think that monique i think a lot of people walked away from charm

[00:59:54] school not loving monique um you know and if you did if you did love monique this season i think after this reunion you probably don't and so i think safari was kind of just like all things considered i appreciate you right yeah you did help me win the money um she has a line of lip chap she's talking about doing a line of lace wigs for uh people who have like cancer patients right um and she even put

[01:00:19] down a down payment on her condo like you could see hottie in the crowd crying no i mean it's a really touching story and it's like this is kind of why like even nowadays i prefer just to see new people on reality tv and getting these opportunities so like yeah it's interesting watching celebrity traders but these guys already have money it's not like i i like seeing people that are there to win because they want they need it so bad just to have like this is their lottery ticket this is their game

[01:00:48] show to go on to be able to have an opportunity at winning a big sum of money that can completely change their life and this is a really good showing of it really changing someone's life this win and so uh rightful winner for sure and that's why there was probably not a dry eye because like you know we you want to see some the person that that person win the underdog get the get the win so it's nice yeah no it's it's really easy to feel happy for safari but you cry matt watching the reunion

[01:01:18] it was so strange because this was like halfway through the episode which i'm like huh what's happening yeah why are they the winner halfway through you know well we have bigger things to talk about you know um we brought out lalene for a second you know she gets her ten thousand dollars because you know monique see see the the difference is mo you know lalene wants to leave being a stripper behind but had monique came in and i mean lalene came in and said you know i think i want to teach pole

[01:01:47] dancing professionally i want to use ten thousand dollars to teach pole dancing she would not have got the same response from from monique you know it would have been more like a little bit more shameful but monique takes like you know she was so proud of her for wanting to feed her babies and putting her pride aside and you know all this other stuff really looking down on the career of strippers which again you know not that's not a new take but it's definitely a tired take at this point right it's a job it's a job it's a job people are paying for it look down on the people paying

[01:02:14] for it as much as you look down on the people doing it uh and then we can start a conversation about you know whether or not this is legitimate but right now like get off her back it's just a job um and so what monique did before she got into entertainment uh she was a stripper i'm joking um no i don't know he does no clue but man it is crazy to me because um what's uh i was just gonna say

[01:02:40] like lalene gets ten thousand dollars and you know in one sense like oh well happy for her but they all should have been paid like ten thousand dollars to be there i don't know how much they might have gotten it was making but they were making enough to pay these people a bit like just give them something well because they're returning they probably they probably struck a deal like it might not be as big as right now the celebrities on traders are getting

[01:03:08] but i'm sure they got at least ten thousand dollars a person no they definitely did not they i bet i feel like they probably got if i had to guess and we can look this up too but i would bet maybe they got like because a lot of people would get like a hundred dollars a day for these types of shows i wouldn't be surprised if they're getting a hundred dollars a day maybe they're actually maybe you're right seven hundred dollars a week stipend yeah actually but like what leverage do

[01:03:35] most of them have because there are all these other girls that they could bring in if someone's like nope i deserve to be paid more yeah they definitely were all going to say yes at probably the lowest lowest yeah we'll have to find out numbers sometime yeah i couldn't even imagine these people being like i'm gonna play hardball you know like it's not okay we'll give you two hundred dollars all right bet you know like what else are we doing you know unless you got to quit your job or something like that i just don't see these people playing hardball because they know

[01:04:03] they could be replaced there was there were people that could have been in these spots that we did not have on this season um you know so if i was the first boot what's she gonna say you know like all right well you know like she needs that money and it's not like her current job is like you know like paying so lucrative in fact we found out that she's not even now that she's won she can't even do hair no more because people just want to come in and talk about the show and that's relatable because if i ever saw safari i'm talking about this show like there's no way i'm not so um yeah

[01:04:31] lelaine and safari were kind of footnotes in this because this is this this reunion is really about the stolen pictures and we recap the whole larissa and shay and shatar i thought they would have made up oh they far from makeup in this um the real fight here that you know we get becky on stage because because we got to hear her point of view right because she was

[01:04:57] the one boohooing in the closet uh and she looks back and she says okay i don't want to you know i lost my friends over this it was a game for 50k i understand if shay doesn't forgive me but they do end up hugging it out you know the two of them talk and you know kind of like all right they probably won't ever be real friends again but that's it seems cordial um however uh larissa is backstage

[01:05:23] and we see shay getting emotional because larissa did stick up for her in the moment i love larissa being backstage that is my favorite part of this entire reunion can we talk about that what okay why do we feel like she they felt she needed to be backstage because throw hands didn't but there was no physical violence from her before so i mean do we need to play the reunion special of flavor

[01:05:49] yes too but i mean on that lady took her shoes off and ran a full speed into big rick as he that's my favorite part of that maybe that was it i wish they would have said more specifically okay larissa has a history of violence at these reunions so i guess maybe that was that was it but well it's also because i'm like jerry springer right i think yes i think they could have left her

[01:06:15] out there like i don't know if she was a physical threat but maybe she would have just you know interrupted like having that that you know cut to larissa backstage like fuming mad like should we bring her out should we bring her out like you know it's it's so like yeah it's great like you know it's definitely i love that yeah time of day and so they're doing it for the gimmick you know of like

[01:06:40] they should do that they should do that every single reunion though honestly for every show just like have someone in the back who you're like oh this person's like coming out like on survivor 50 like oh here's coach in the back like what's he gonna do when we bring him out like nothing yeah so lala has to sit uh sit down with shay and larissa on either side of her and she's like um so you know now that y'all are face to face how do you feel and before she can even finish the question like i

[01:07:10] don't feel anything i don't feel nothing i have nothing to feel i don't like i don't have nothing to say about her you know like you could tell the tensions are high between the two of them larissa says nothing would have went down if it hadn't been for uh her being in the restroom with safari next thing you know safari's jumping into the argument and everybody's going at it monique ends up cutting in and saying it breaks my heart to see these beautiful black women out here degrading each other and you speak like this in front of your mother and then she's like and

[01:07:40] shea i know your mama i know your other why do you know her mama like what no you don't go like i'm gonna talk about talk about your mom's like what are we doing no no no it's not really cool monique like you aren't yeah you don't need to call their moms for a parent teacher conference like

[01:08:02] get out of their lives so this is when it gets good uh larissa looks up at monique and says you know what monique you full of shit and i said whoa wait that was hilarious because they cut to a crowd shot and i had to do like the 10 15 seconds back because there's like what like all of them are shocked and i don't know why we thought chapelle but i was not shocked at all because i'm like yes

[01:08:31] finally someone said it right i'm like oh my god she can get beat down by monique and like the way that monique just like like i like i'm walking over her like i was like excuse me ma'am are you about to hit this lady like what it looked like they was about to fight it looked like monique was about to be like bitch and they're like ah like and so monique comes like looming over because

[01:08:57] larissa's sitting down monique is looming over her and then yeah like like just like or like to intimidate her larissa stands up then out of the crowd comes larissa's mama i said oh my god if larissa's mama and monique would have fought on this show epic but even the two-on-one because they didn't they really didn't have enough security if something bust out and monique's gonna take a few

[01:09:24] hits like she was gonna take a few hits if they decided to fight i don't think that larissa was trying to fight which is the to me it feels like monique was instigating like it wasn't gonna get physical yeah why yeah why is she going over and intimidating this this little girl that you're supposed to be like helping inspire and grow and then you're gonna give up and like intimidate her with violence like what yeah yeah what are we teaching larissa was sitting good point that's a

[01:09:53] good point uh larissa's mom says the same thing though she's like what is that going what are you doing that is any better than what they have been accused of doing like you walking over and standing over this little girl you called her that not her you're standing over her intimidating her uh looking down on her like you're about to do something if i wasn't if her mom wasn't sitting there what would monique have done you know with the with security had to come and drag monique out was she just gonna stand there and start yelling because even then monique you don't look any

[01:10:20] better than larissa just because she cussed at you doesn't mean what you're doing is better you know uh she said you're full of shit and monique decided to cross the boundary you in her personal space if larissa reached up and slapped you for getting all up on top of her then what you know so i thought this was crazy it was nuts i love this i from a tv standpoint this is gold i'm like bring me the popcorn

[01:10:42] turn this up but shantel what the hell was her response like i was what she's like oh i was i actually didn't even know what she said well i was gonna ask you she does the speech of a lifetime here you know we know she's gonna one day win an oscar for presses and this is definitely shades of that the way things are going for you right now sister you're gonna run into someone else who is just

[01:11:08] like you one back in the day monique was larissa i was like i did i walked up on you because i love you because i want because i love your mama yeah we love these sisters need to i was like monique what is she talking about monique this is crazy you're just trying to hit this young person and now you're you're taking it as like a moment to show empowerment and like and like

[01:11:36] is that you're doing this because you love her matt is this what we represent is this what we represent so fake she is so fake like okay so you you don't love safari and layleen because you hugged them and you were you gave them money like what are we doing um no that was wild i again i'm trying to understand monique's mindset like i i'm gonna be obsessed with this i'm gonna try to find

[01:12:03] like an interview with her one day where she's like from 2008 where she's talking about this or whatever but like this was uncomfortable especially because monique has so much to lose like that's the other thing on my mind where if you get in a fight like a physical fight or even just being on this show like you're gonna lose a lot of opportunities in hollywood and so i just feel like i wish we could

[01:12:29] teleport back to that time to better understand why monique could even go there she probably had like a publicist or managers that are like okay like we're gonna use this whatever and they probably started like looking for projects that would suit the way the public was looking at her at this point you know what i mean and so like that's probably how they found precious probably the year later so

[01:12:52] 2006 is probably when they film precious and then it comes out in 2007 or sorry 2009 8 9 8 9 um you know like it's probably because of how she was portrayed here and they're trying to make lemons out of lemonade because i think that she probably thanked her reputation especially with this reunion um and yeah her management and like her team probably was looking for a way to redeem herself and i think it

[01:13:19] was through precious to be honest and that's kind of how the reunion ends like that's it there's no resolve it's just kind of like all right that was awkward larissa you good she's like i apologize for letting harriet tubman down um oh yeah harriet would you bring harriet tubman into this wait did she actually say hey and Dorothy Dandridge i thought i heard that Dorothy Dandridge and Harriet Tubman did not

[01:13:47] die for this matt no they i mean no they didn't but um no this is wild by the way i'm sorry i'm stuck on the idea of her trying to redeem herself through precious where she i think like drew a tv down a flight of steps onto amongst other things but like it was like this kind of meaner image like a like a maternal mean maternal image it's kind of what she portrayed on the show and so they found something

[01:14:13] that would be in that wheelhouse that she it could be art so she could be like oh just play a character you know what i mean like she could i'm an actress yeah but you know what's funny is i just feel like the character she played in precious is like way too much like monique on charm school it's too similar it's like it it almost is like girl did you even have an Oscar for it now right yeah um that said

[01:14:37] that's the reunion that was messy okay messiest reunion so far everything's in disarray some of these people chantelle i don't think we're gonna see again in our rewatch matt we have to eulogize some of these people could i just start by saying and i don't know whether or not we see her again officially i cannot confirm or deny but thayla aka rain you know we didn't even hear from her

[01:15:07] she looked good at the reunion though r.i.p she's had she had a rough run on flavor of love a rough run on charm school they still made her show up at the reunion r.i.p rain i don't i don't know how else to get paid she's like oh if i'm doing this show i might as well get paid because i didn't stay on it for like i didn't get any publicity out of it so like i might as well get my thousand bucks to come on the reunion or whatever yeah again like 150 bucks

[01:15:34] to come on the reunion like i don't know how much she did not get a thousand dollars she did not there's no there's no way there's no way 50 bucks 50 bucks and to mcdonald's from flavorflav the most romantic thing that becky has ever received um

[01:15:54] exactly um matt do we ever see crazy again in our rewatch i i don't think we see crazy again i think we're done chantelle i think she got too famous she got too famous well you know but this is

[01:16:15] kind of my point about charm school and everything with monique um i just think that i think that she might have kind of scared the experience might have scared some people away from this world like but also crazy wasn't that fun like this time around i love her she's i think not too real

[01:16:41] yeah okay she's like she we we are robbed of not having crazy on more shows that i will stand by that forever that is that lady is tv gold so many of them people are honestly um but you know she's you're right she wasn't a standout this season is she a standout like she do anything else so do we know if she does start going into movies we didn't even get music from her i mean yeah that's not true

[01:17:08] i'm sure there's music from her out there but like has to be a cd does she have a myspace that's still active you know what i mean that's oh could i just say also that that that you we need to talk more about myspace at some point in this rewatch because so many of these women got screwed when myspace shut down or when it was whatever happened to myspace because like what the boots was on my like

[01:17:37] she's like here's my computer in the kitchen to go on myspace and that was so relatable i'm like yes everyone had the computer in the kitchen for myspace like that's all we did so i was trying to get into my myspace like semi-recently and i used my hotmail account and like my hotmail account i don't know what happened like it just it stopped working and like it has so many security features like

[01:18:05] i can't get into my old hotmail account and so i can never get back into my myspace so i just got like a headache when you mentioned hotmail and it brought me way back that was wild hotmail so i mean i want to have all my emails from back then like that was the beginning of emailing and not her emails i do have a crazy update okay she's a mother oh my gosh zoom in

[01:18:34] a bit wait okay side note what heather crawford aka crazy flavor of love as her facebook name is branding i didn't know the branding is the branding is elite there she is there's our girl the same looks the same better really maternity photos oh what a queen nevay and her wedding picture

[01:18:58] who's this man her husband mr crazy yeah mr crazy in it her mom look at her mom crazy and mr navy i wonder if grandma got to go to the uh to the wedding do you think do you think she met him um because of was he part of the universe oh you think he knew point in time i think you have to tell them i i found when i found these pictures the comments are all think of all the lies you say

[01:19:33] everybody's saying the same exact thing um okay so that is a lot of people who are not going to be a last time we will see crazy from what i can tell i'm crying because it's so beautiful because you're the last ever seen crazy i'm so sad mom i'm so sad it's so good i'm sorry i don't care it's good she's she's gold um matt i think this is the last time we're going to see crystal

[01:20:01] crystal yeah but someone pointed out to me i think it was crystal but someone pointed out to me that apparently she makes an appearance on the tyra bank show like as a as a model of dancer i could not find anything about it yes that's what she was doing i didn't i didn't i do not own any magazines that she was on the covers of

[01:20:26] magazine no i'm she was on the cover of maxim i don't know but like that was every single star was in the reality star did maxim photo shoots right remember like the real world he's uh lost yeah yeah like trishel um that made sense but yeah no this is the last time we see crystal and again i okay crazy and crystal have in common that they're both ambitious women they want to have their careers

[01:20:55] i think they also were not the most self-aware and they took themselves so seriously and it was various though it was yeah i'm sure i'm still knocking down a notch is my point um i follow i follow crystal on instagram so yeah i'll tell you if there's anything any any good updates but she's still doing crystal things i will say that um in that zero episode goldie said she

[01:21:23] was uh actually studying for a medical school um but she goes on to be a licensed clinical social worker uh and so um yeah i believe yeah and i believe this is the end of goldie as well courtney but like we could i could probably find her like stand-up sets online or something you can find cold if anybody is doing charm school and flavor of love interviews it's definitely goldie she's still outside talking to all the fans i think she walks away with such a good reputation that

[01:21:52] who wouldn't want to talk to go i would pay money to talk to goldie on this very podcast go yeah i know you're listening do you think goldie goldie goldie goldie goldie goldie do you think that goldie and all do you my thought is maybe that they all okay something might have been scared away from reality tv and the public eye but then also they have they're making money from the club appearances like

[01:22:16] they're having these opportunities whether or not they fully panned out um so i'm i'm like still curious of exactly what happened to certain people um but that's why i'm here i have to do do my research yes journalist goldie goldie was not the only one uh getting on working on getting into medical school at the time i think toasty also said she was studying for the mcat uh in that zero episode

[01:22:42] i don't know if uh toasty ever makes it to med school chantelle um but um yeah i i have to flag that up later on i want to see that someone's like hey so you want to do this doctor foreign

[01:23:10] i'm glad you brought that up because i do have an image to show you and this fw uh not not here on this podcast um big congrats to dr toasty she passed her dissertation she is a doctor it's not miss sorry not miss it's not mrs it's doctor chappelle does that say 34 minutes ago that she posted it

[01:23:38] that screenshot was from 34 minutes ago when it was posted back not today i thought while we were recording that she posted that update for my good friend toasty i had her send me a picture of her i couldn't see what the says i would it said it would have been so awkward if i had to return this mug so i'm happy to share that i passed my dissertation sincere thanks to all who supported me uh the new doctor too that's her name you know what i will say this about toasty um like something

[01:24:08] else from her future and again i feel like we might have talked about this but i i swore at some point i saw something where she was running for office like in pennsylvania uh i don't know what office it might have been like the board of education and i think she won um yes like maybe state representative or county representative but there was something so she really you know she had a she things went up for

[01:24:36] her no panties in a pool to get in the polls we're in the yeah um that's wild matt i'll let you talk about this but i don't think we're gonna talk about how do you get any time soon okay matt you i'm not okay i'm not okay but this is this is what pisses me off because

[01:25:01] monique did this and this is why i'll never forgive monique um i'm sure hot look i still see hottie i'm gonna i should shoot her a message hottie if you're listening message me say hey i'm your number one fan i love you i respect you you are better than this these people didn't deserve you what is she gonna do after do we do we have an update the sky's the limit she could do everything

[01:25:26] because she she's a she's a singer she's a dancer she's an entrepreneur a model um child um uh literature illustrator yes that too um she could do anything close uh cakes she could cake she she can make chicken you think that andrew forrest hired her on no he didn't seem like he was too happy with her at all not great no not great not great but yeah we're saying goodbye to shatar

[01:25:55] shatar we're also saying goodbye to like that we wouldn't talk about like that in this episode too much but uh i think our girl is gone like this is like a mass this is like a big a mass grave here for time school a lot of them that we don't really hear them again they left a bad mouth got a bad taste in uh their mouth from the monique's experience being like yeah i don't know if i feel like having somebody else like tear me down again or do you think they just outgrew it

[01:26:22] i will say this that i have seen or watched interviews with a number of the people we've talked about including like that including um like probably with crystal too they lit they're alive they made it through they're probably doing fine they live to tell the tale i guess i can no but didn't say that you can't do that um some of their stories are interwoven with things that we are going to talk about so we might not talk about them but we don't need you finding anything out we

[01:26:52] don't need your algorithm being like do you want to see this um because that'll throw everything off i know i get nervous about liking things because i'm like uh chantal's gonna see it she's gonna see it yeah um larissa will not be talked about in this watch but i will say this larissa was on reality tv as recently as last year um so we can talk about that later but she also has been i'm like trying to think of like what she could shoot up again she also was on an episode of botched if i'm not mistaken

[01:27:22] um so there's more larissa on tv just not in our rewatch chantelle okay i definitely am curious just to see what that is do you think this is a fumble for us to have like the new big bad new york type character here and not immediately follow up with a larissa show i'm surprised because like i thought that something would have been happening between you know boots versus bucky and like you

[01:27:50] know head to head and like me i don't know what the show would be but like i could see maybe they have teams and they're going after each other like because they're they're enemies now um i don't know i thought that they might have utilized their beef between the two of them them both being super pretty and like having their fans and you know maybe playing off another spinoff off of their rivalry at this

[01:28:14] point i mean i think the i think a reason why i don't think we would get that like i forgot that they had the falling out that they did um and i didn't realize it was as like severe as it was um um but yeah like chantelle it was it's very clear that that it's it's intense like they're not okay

[01:28:42] they're not okay they can't do a show together like if they feel like over it for one of them would end up dead if they did a show together yeah for 50 and mcdonald's um unfortunately chantelle that's all i can uh matt that is the complete eulogy of all the people that we uh you know might be saying goodbye to um but we do have to talk about what we are going to say hello to is there anything else you want to

[01:29:06] add before we close the book on um charm school oh one thing i i loved um the yearbook like and how they your book pages at the beginning i thought that that was so cute i love a yearbook i have had a yearbook since i was like grade four we had a yearbook like all the way in our middle school and so i just love it just looking like memories of it i would say had maybe stills of like you know things that we didn't

[01:29:34] see or maybe if they had their own camera in there and they took some photos of each other or whatever that could be kind of cute but um i definitely like the yearbook yeah i'll just add um i have like mixed feelings about charm school because it's such a great show it's so entertaining um we got a lot of good moments we get the characters that we kind of got to know a little bit from through flave but now we got them in a different light and there's also a lot that's hard to watch with monique

[01:30:04] and the judges keith like what sir what are you doing there why are you here um i still don't understand it was a good episode for him but he sucks yeah he sucks um but i don't like i don't know why lala associates with these people i still believe she's better than all of it um so she must have a contract with bh1 right we'll see if she continues to hang around or if they continue i i don't know

[01:30:28] if she's obligated here contractually to be here but um i'm happy to close the book on this show because there's i just feel like these people have a lot of therapy bills they had to pay uh after this this was kind of rough for some of these women maybe all of them chantelle you've seen three seasons i think we asked you this last time but i just want to get on the record you gotta rank you gotta rank

[01:30:54] them flavor of love one flavor of love two uh i love new york and charm school all of them you gotta rank them all bottom start at the bottom is it season two but i liked it still i don't know this one this is getting harder now um matt what did i see before what you want to do

[01:31:21] personally i'll do it was number one oh matt you ready yeah i think the number two is season one because it was so new and fresh so i don't know if it's two or new york after okay i'm gonna put i'm gonna put flavor of love one at the top of the list um because you just can't nothing like the

[01:31:42] first time two i will put charm school three i have to put flavor of love season two and then four i have to put i love new york season one just because like i feel like new york i mean as the star like we're coming in hot from flavor of love one and two new york's the star and then we get her in like

[01:32:06] this weird evolution where she's like very scripted but she wasn't at her full peak new york powers yet so i have to put i love new york one at the bottom of the list so far but that i mean they're all great right we're splitting hairs here these are all iconic seasons of television no skips uh dude i would never tell anybody to skip any of those seasons you know you like tell somebody like oh you ain't gotta watch season two you're crazy you you need to watch yeah watch every episode and

[01:32:35] talk to me um and speaking of watching gotta get into what we're going to be talking about next chantelle i know this is the moment you've been waiting for because i love these moments yeah matt we love to have you uh yeah suck it in serve it like absorb that yeah um we gotta we gotta talk about what's coming up next because um yeah it's going to dictate what our next few weeks are like so let's uh go ahead and hit play here

[01:33:17] this is what came next yes next up on our watch none other than rock of love with brett michaels we are going to get our next spinoff matt i know you're excited for rock of love oh i'm so excited for rock of love because we need to unlock the other parts of the universe like by the way i love

[01:33:40] how monique's like i'm so tired of these black women on tv and they're like okay how about no flave probably less black women um i i don't know it's a great show and we're gonna get some great characters including at least one that i yeah i need to like talk a lot more about so i'm pumped um i'm saddened

[01:34:05] that i might not be back for another 12 weeks uh until you know the finale you don't even always bring me back on here to talk about these white women and other people on this show it's really really entertaining yes uh the chat is going crazy uh offline j says yes i was hoping for a rock of love just kelly says yes um yeah chantelle in this upcoming season we get 25 new women to come in and talk

[01:34:35] about uh their feelings about none other than uh prolific um rocker and lead singer of the band poison brett michaels 12 episode series released well premiered on july 15th so right after this 2007 on vh1 um same concept different packaging we got more women to talk about chantelle uh are you ready to meet

[01:35:03] the the the newer class of our universe i'm ready and like i don't know if i've seen a little bit of it or like or it's part of season two i've seen some of but like if there's a season two i don't know but like i feel like i might have seen a little bit of this show i don't know if it came on to mtv or or something or or why i might have seen some of it um was this around the same time as simple life

[01:35:30] was on um i feel like if you feel like i might have seen some of this chantelle you've said this before but i think the thing is this is also a point in time when we're getting like shot of love with tequila tequila and they all have very similar visual situations so i remember brett being in a limousine with a lot of ladies but i could just be a clip that i've seen all the time but also brett

[01:35:59] was like this was also an era of like the brett michaels resurgence and i'm curious about your thoughts on brett here as the lead but yeah we got his resurgence like he was even on celebrity apprentice once or twice like he we were getting him on maybe i'm seeing clips and stuff like that because like he's been other on other things but what do you think about brett being like i don't really remember like him like i just it made sense like you know he's like well i don't think he's

[01:36:28] attractive but like you know i'm sure there's a lot of women that would be throwing themselves at like a real live rock star you know um and so i expect it to be equally as trashy uh as the flavor flavor of love series and i'm a super fun way because it's still the early 2000s the part that i am most interested in and i keep i was actually thinking about this when um when i was watching

[01:36:57] pumpkin aka brooke talk about like you know black women they're more conservative white women we could be whores you know we could do whatever we want it's like i i mean and i don't think it's a spoiler like you can imagine um it's not gonna be all black women on this show um we get more white women on the show um but i am interested in like in us coming back and being able to compare the flavor of love girls with who we see on rock of love i think his daughter is on a reality tv show

[01:37:27] right now on netflix i think so unless i'm mixing up like my my rock star you might be mixing him up with what the other one the other one who has the family i don't know they're all this they all are like to me i think gene simmons no no no no no no because it's called everything calabasas um

[01:37:50] is the new reality show on netflix hold on what's it called netflix calabasas confidential yeah exactly i think brett michael's daughter is on it because i watched an episode and i think he came on it actually as like uh like a little mini cameo because she was like dating somebody or she uh he doesn't come off as very paternal to me so that's why i'm i'm so stumped well uh we won't be

[01:38:17] talking about rain michaels in her time on netflix's calabasas confidential but we will be talking about her father brett on charm school uh kickback live now rebranded as the rock of love kickback in our flavor of love cinematic universe and so we'll be back next week to talk about the premiere of rock of love uh and well now like what's kind of school is it uh no school school is out school is out and

[01:38:42] maybe time school right and maybe time school will be back out forever or maybe not forever we we don't know uh but i will say this this show uh airs i think charm school ends up well i'll put like this i love new york airs in january of 2007 uh flavor of love girls charm school is april 2007 rock of love

[01:39:07] july 2007 they are knocking these shows out formula and they are not paying these people so we get to come back and see good ones school of rock or school of rock kind of yeah it's kind of a number we can take that yeah yeah um so matt thank you will you be joining us to talk about rock rock of love i will be joining you to talk about rock of love i'm gonna re-watch rock of love with you like

[01:39:32] because i it's i feel like it's been a minute since i've properly re-watched it but we're gonna have a can't find it can be found on uh pluto tv as well i think that you can still watch rock of love charm school is the one that's been scrubbed from the uh internet uh but uh rock of love is still out there

[01:39:55] um so but if i have some links i will place them in the descriptions and matt i am very uh very much looking forward to seeing if you know what your opinion is of this show and these women uh but until then what are you working on and where can let people find you and keep up with you till we see you return as as safari said i'm glad you asked me that um because uh this month june has been uh a month of

[01:40:21] the pride has spoken with me dr evie jagoda grace leader lots of fun interviews with different queer people we just did a a game show called um outwit outplay out love which was very fun and wild over on the pride is spoken we've never done anything like that before so check that out on rhap he's youtube and um i'm still going with pod friends right before the uh premiere of big brother 28

[01:40:49] so just released an episode with annabelle fiddler from traders australia season two that was a lot of fun we um i had to censor a lot of it and bleep out a lot of it because we were talking about uh the concept of rob sesterino having an erotic audio um i think i successfully will not be fired

[01:41:13] because of the editing of that so i'm really proud of that um and i don't i have a season finale of pod friends coming up next week i still need to record the interview i wish i had a guest chapelle um but chapelle won't come on pod friends so you know i guess he can't be in the season finale even though this would be the biggest one yet so um you find me matt scott gw uh pod friends pride is spoken and thanks for having me on yay and chantelle where can people find you

[01:41:40] you can find me on instagram at shan friend friend or on my youtube channel reality realness with three s's where i'm talking about love island uk so i've been going live usually after the episode i had to catch up on a couple on monday but then i should be back to recapping right after the episode airs uk time so like around 5 p.m eastern all right and um you know this is recap kickback you can find all

[01:42:08] the cool stuff here uh kelly in chat said uh thanks chapelle for covering this expert pan convening this expert panel uh really love what you're doing over here it's so much fun check us out live here on youtube to talk about um the rock of love moving forward with me and chantelle uh we're going to try to have some guests on like we do but we got a lot of crazy characters to talk about moving forward as we move our way through the flavor of love cinematic universe also uh mario and i are still talking about house of

[01:42:34] the dragon and the vampire lestat uh so every week you get two recap podcasts from us one of each uh and then uh we try to sprinkle some other content in the mix as well so tune in to recap kickback.com youtube.com slash at recap kickback and subscribe to the podcast recap kickback.com slash subscribe to keep up with all the things we have going on but for the last time uh for now charm school is over but we'll be back next time catch y'all next time peace