Charm School Kickback LIVE - Episode 2 Recap

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[00:01:44] And welcome back again to Flavor of Love Girls, colon Charm School here on Recap Kickback. It's the Charm School Kickback. It's me, your host Chappellee. And we're here to talk about season one, episode two of Charm School right here on RecapKickback.com. And with me, my co-host who has never seen Charm School but clearly knows a lot about etiquette with a book on her head. It's Chantel. Chantel, welcome back.

[00:02:10] Mary had a little lamb, a little lamb, a little lamb, a little lamb whose fleece was white as snow. So are you Lauryn Hill or are you crazy? I'm crazy! Yeah.

[00:02:38] That's how we open the show. That's how we open the show, right? Yes. Oh my God. Chantel, welcome back. You are balancing that book very good on your head. That's crazy. I'm assuming you've had some etiquette training? I haven't had etiquette training specifically, but I've taken many years of ballet. And definitely dance classes where we've had to do stuff with books on our head and stuff like that just to keep lines and stuff like that. And you know what I mean? To keep the spine straight.

[00:03:08] And so I have had practice in the past. But this is the first time in probably at least a decade that I've had a book on my head. Well, you're doing it really good. And I'm sure you have some things and some lessons you could teach some of these girls. Because, Chantel, we are back again to talk about Charm School. And I'm, again, so excited, right? This is always the highlight of my week. It's the nostalgia of talking about this show. It's also walking you through this journey because you are just experiencing this for the first time.

[00:03:35] Many of our listeners are also trying to go through this nostalgic journey with us. And so there have been questions about where can I watch this show? I do see that season one is, it looks like, free on Amazon Prime. If you have Prime video, at least in the U.S., you can watch that. But thanks to Humberto, a loyal listener of this podcast and someone who I consider very friendly to me, Humberto found the links. We got some public links, y'all.

[00:04:04] So now we can post them in the show notes for you all to watch along with us. And so after this one is up, I'm going to go and try to get maybe like the full link thread from deep in the bowels of Reddit. So that you can go in and watch them. Yeah, you know how Reddit is. It gets kind of dark in there. But we've gone in and we found the links. And so I will start including the links at least to the drive that they're on. Or maybe I can get the individual links to each episode. We'll see.

[00:04:33] But I'm going to try to include them in the show notes so that you can go in and watch along with us. Watch them before the episode, obviously. And then come in and join us in the chat for this conversation. Chantel, what did you think about this episode? I love this episode, of course. What is it? Thou shalt... What is it? It's called? Thou shalt show some class. Thou shalt show some class. That is correct. How is Monique, though, like the person...

[00:05:03] Arbiter of class? Yeah. I don't say that she's not, but like why is she the one that gets to dictate class? And who is and who isn't showing these virtues? I think that there were probably a lot of questions about virtues and class when it came to watching Flavor of Love season one and two amongst the public. I think there was a very hot topic of, like, should people be watching this? Is this for kids? You know, are these women setting a bad example for the viewers who are watching this show?

[00:05:32] I don't know anybody who watched Flavor of Love and thought, that's how I want to act on TV. But there's always been questions about respectability when it comes to women on television specifically. When they go on TV and just be themselves, it's like, oh, are they good role models? Are they living like other people should be able to look up to them? Should we be highlighting this type of behavior on TV? So these conversations were happening.

[00:05:55] I think Monique is just a mouthpiece for that conversation, which is probably, again, why Flavor of Love Girls Charm School was such a great idea because that was the type of energy people had, right? You had the people who loved the shenanigans. And then you had the people who were like, I like watching it, but also do better.

[00:06:13] And so because of that, Monique is able to bring in Colette Swan, the etiquette coach and headmistress of an etiquette school that she started herself to talk to the girls about etiquette. So what did you think about this challenge? Okay. I feel like I've seen it before. When I was watching it, it had like, it was reminiscent of something.

[00:06:36] Do you know whether or not she's done other shows or like if she is like the go-to reality TV etiquette person? Because she just seemed familiar to me for whatever reason. Maybe I've seen a clip of this in the past. I'm just like remembering it kind of loosely now. I'm not sure. Maybe. But I actually want to go to etiquette school. I kind of think it would be kind of fun to learn how to be, you know, to sit with the upper crust. I know my forks. I don't like, you know, which plate to use.

[00:07:04] I've worked in many fine dining establishments. So I know, I know the, let's say the general basis, but like, I'm not sure how to eat soup. You know what I mean? Like you're supposed to scoop out where it is, like something like that. But I would like to, I actually would like to learn, to be honest. Okay. So you're in your, in your Lailene era. So Lailene was looking to learn more. She had a lot of questions, Chantel. So you would be like Lailene in these challenges, trying to soak up as much as you can. I would be soaking it up for sure.

[00:07:32] But not in like a kiss ass kind of way, I don't think. Right. So we have a few women that we have to highlight in this episode. And I think we have to start with our eliminated contestant. We say goodbye to Heather in this episode, AKA crazy, AKA Nevaeh. And as you pointed out, we start this episode with her singing. Mary had a little lamb because Becky will say that I'm not feeling this.

[00:08:00] She's acting like she's Diana Ross or Mariah Carey. I feel like Nevaeh might've been singing this song because she knows you can sing this on TV without getting in trouble. You know, nobody. Yeah. Like this is a good way of her showcasing her voice without VH1 cutting it out. Now I'm not like, I love people that, that have aspirations in the creative world that want to be singers, actors, dancers, whatever.

[00:08:24] Like I, I'm so appreciated at people that want to pursue that, but the people that are usually pursuing it are usually good. And like, she's, she's okay, but give her maybe like a five. Like she's in tune. She has a very, I would say it kind of an airy voice. She maybe would need some lessons to be able to bring some of that base into her voice, like the bottom of it, um, to be able to sing better. But like right now she's not really a good singer.

[00:08:54] So I'm just not sure why she's pursuing this Avenue when she's like just below mediocre. I feel like you can get away with it. If you have the right song, you know, like if you can just carry a tune and, you know, we can come in and with movie magic and, you know, use our machines and auto tune and all this stuff, you can get away with it. If you have a good song, but you're right. Like I, when I hear crazy, I don't hear this outstanding singer who supposed to have her moment. Right.

[00:09:22] We saw, you know, what it looked like when delicious saying next, uh, to crazy the first time. And it was just like, Oh my God. Yeah. And even, honestly, even Shatar slash hottie, you know, in the first season, I think it was gold. You said, I've been wondering what Shatar brings to the world. And I found out it's the gift of song, you know, even her biggest haters were like, well, you got to give it to the girl can sing. We don't get that kind of energy from, uh, Nevae, Heather crazy.

[00:09:52] Has auto tunes been invented yet? Oh yeah. We're heavy. We're way past the invention of auto tune at this point. It is probably bolstering a lot of careers. So there's a non-zero chance that Heather could make something into this, but you're right. I don't know if charm school is the way to, to make it, to, to get your voice out there. Maybe if you're a big enough, uh, like maybe if you're a big enough character, you get brought on to do more TV and that's other ways you can promote. Um, by the end of this episode, Monique's going to say, Hey, when your CD drops, make sure I get a free one.

[00:10:22] And I'm thinking Monique, you could buy that damn CD. Yeah, buy it. Support this girl. Support her. She doesn't want to spread her money. Like go to HMV. Was that what was around at the time? Ooh, they had all the, all the CD stores. Yeah. Sam Goody. I think you could go there and get something. Um, yeah, I was, I, you know me, I'm a music hound. I will, I will find your favorite song and make it my favorite song. It's my favorite thing to do. And so, um, Do you have Nevaeh's record or CD?

[00:10:51] I said, I will find your favorite song. And make it my favorite song. Not a song that you. Mary Had a Little Lamb. Do you think her cover of Mary Had a Little Lamb is on there? No. I mean, it should be. Oh. Maybe she needs to put out a record of nursery rhymes. Mm. Um, hold on. I'm looking.

[00:11:14] Cause I'm looking to see if there, if there was ever an entire, like, you know, like, did we get a single at least? I'm not seeing one. I don't see anything. So. What about, okay. If you search Nevaeh, Heather, flavor of love. Yes. And in videos, maybe. I'm looking, I'm looking, I'm going to. I'm going to. Yeah. You know what? You know what I should probably do? Find her on social media currently.

[00:11:44] Um, cause I'm, I'm sure there's probably something. Right. Or at least she like has her old stuff for nostalgia purposes. So I might look into that. Just kind of like some extracurricular research to find out if this goes anywhere. Anybody in the chat wants to, uh, like help us. Big shout out to the chat. Yeah. If you're listening to this, uh, audio only, then you're missing out on our interactive YouTube chat. We do this live every week. And so, um, we got Mel Hooker in the chat.

[00:12:13] We also have Bill, uh, from the airport in Toronto. Oh, he's still here. Yeah. Uh, Bill. Uh, yeah. On his, uh, what? Sixth airport beer. Uh, apparently. I didn't know you were still in Toronto. Oh, I didn't know. I didn't know. Okay. So let's get back to these women. Uh, I know you said you want to take an etiquette class, but someone who does not need an etiquette

[00:12:39] class will be, uh, someone who is a descendant of royalty, a direct descendant of royalty. It's Shatar. And she has a lot of opinions. Chantel, do you see what I was saying when I was, when I said Shatar is like an all time character? How is this? How does she not have her own show right now? She should be hosting something. Well, she's going to have something after this now. Like there has to be like how New York has her laneway.

[00:13:08] There has to be a new universe branch off for like one of these superpowers. You know what I mean? Like there has to be another legacy branch here with this lady because she is wild. I don't even believe she exists. Like how does she think of doing the things that she does? Like, I don't, I don't know how she could be her. It's, it's incredible. No, she's, she's the best at being her and there's nobody better at it in the business. Okay. Okay.

[00:13:36] Uh, she says she saw that Heather had on hooker heels and you would think that she would know better than to wear those unless, you know, maybe this is her day job insinuating that, uh, Heather slash crazy slash, uh, Nevaeh is a street Walker. Um, she says, um, so Colette, our etiquette person says that the girl should be able to move gracefully with elegance and she has them walking. Uh, Becky says that, uh, when she sat down, the teacher was able to see her little vagina.

[00:14:06] Are you going to say vagina as many times as she said vagina in this episode? She said, uh, well, the teacher says she can see her little vagina and nobody should see her little vagina except for Sergeant Jones, the bootcamp guy. He could see her little vagina. Now, do you think that Sergeant Jones, Sergeant Jones would be attracted to Becky? I don't see why not. You're not, you're not like hideous, you know, is this a love story in the making?

[00:14:33] Like, do, are we, are we missing out on like some secret interactions that maybe will be discovered later? Maybe they're going to start dating later. You're it's going to, at the reunion, you're going to find out that there is a thing. Like, is there, do you think there's more to this couple? Ooh, maybe not more to this couple, but what does it look like if we see Buck Wilde's journey to find love? Does Buck Wilde deserve a spinoff? The, the Buck Wilde in love?

[00:14:59] I, um, she's another person that I could watch. Like, I could just watch these people do whatever. Cause they're so, they're so insane. I could watch them have a show. I could watch Buck Wilde have a show. Yeah. It's almost like you could say no to none of them, right? Like if any of them say they want to show you kind of like, yeah, give it to them. Like what's the worst that can happen? What do you want?

[00:15:29] Yeah. Let's just do it. Let's just do it. Um, so a lot of the girls get some notes about the way they walk. Goldie was swinging her butt. Uh, Colette confirms that Heather's shoes are kind of hookerish. Uh, and Toasty says that, I'm sorry, Jennifer says that Becky is unladylike and has no charm. We see Crystal doing her model walk and they all seem very happy with that.

[00:15:54] Um, like that wants to step up at some point and she's going to get her chance because that next challenge is table manners. And she points out that during her first season, she didn't have any, she's drinking from the carton, chewing with her mouthful. And I do appreciate this because I do think there's a difference between like respectability and manners, right? Like I think that for like that it's, it's shown on TV kind of, she was a little rough around the edges in season of two, a flavor of love.

[00:16:22] She was loud at the table, eating over like, you know, loud and, and like drinking out the carton. Like that's a lot. And I know she watched that on TV and was like, damn, I really wish I didn't look at least not look so raggedy. I think you can definitely be who you are, but I think you have to be cognizant at least about the, not so much the way people are perceiving you, but you don't want to be offensive to anybody either. And I don't want to see all the food in your mouth.

[00:16:46] I think though too, that you forget the cameras are around, like you forget that you're, you start actually just being yourself. And so, yeah, it was probably a rude awakening kind of just being caught in your underwear and not really like, oh my God, you could actually see everything here. And so I think, yeah, I could see her wanting to refine her edges here because she probably was like surprised, like when nobody's looking how she might come off.

[00:17:13] Right. Someone else who was very concerned about the etiquette lesson is Layleen because she looks so confused. She's like, I don't know what these, what you're talking about, all these forks, these spoons, I don't know. And she's asking a bunch of questions. She says, what do you do if you get a little tipsy? What do you do with your knife when you're not using it? And then eventually she asks, again, how do you make a toast? I think that the questions in a vacuum are fine. I think that if you're taking an etiquette class, these are definitely questions you want to know the answer to.

[00:17:39] What to do with your knife is a good question. You don't want to put it back on the table if it's covered in food. You know, you want to be able to know what to do in these situations. So she's asking a bunch of questions, but the people are not impressed. You know, like her other castmates are kind of annoyed that she's coming off a little needy in these moments. Yeah. So when did your love for her begin? Was it just like, was it in Flavor of Love or was it here as well?

[00:18:06] Like, was it still Flavor of Love season one, episode one? Okay. And now with her performance on this show, did you still have the love for her? Because she's just coming across as kind of weak and like needy. Yeah. That's her entire art. I don't want to say the P word, but like a little bit. And I'm just kind of like, come on. I don't know. It just, it's a little ick worthy, you know?

[00:18:32] Yeah. So I feel like in episode one, she kind of gets like brushed with the same broad brush as Rain. Because Rain is going through it, but she's leaning on Layleen for strength. And now that Rain is gone, it's very clear that Layleen is not as strong as she would like to be. We saw that in Flavor of Love, you know, where she was like, I'm a damn good mother. You know, like she's like, you know, she's trying to like, she's trying to hoist herself up. Like she's, she's, she's a, um, she seems like this is a lot for her. Right. Um, we will find out that she has a lot of weaknesses as well.

[00:19:02] Right. She doesn't really know etiquette too much. Um, she struggled in the little, you know, with bouncing back from her last relationship. We saw that with Flav and then in this season, she, uh, she's not good in the kitchen. She struggles with that. So a lot of struggles displayed on television, but not as far as like, you know, what 16, 17 year old Chappelle was thinking. And I, the moment I lay down on her like that, yeah, that's a wife right there. Um, but by this time, I'm looking at her crazy. I'm kind of like, damn, you got to get it together. Um, so it's not the best.

[00:19:34] You got to figure it out, man. We can't like, look, the cookie thing we can get around that, but you can't be crying all the time. I can't, you know, I don't do the tears. That's the ick. Yeah. Right. Now, do what's really weird about watching this is that I, they don't look to me as young as they are. They're so young. Yeah. Like, like when I look at like a 24 year old or 22 is, is that's how old, um, uh, Larissa Larissa is like, like that they look like babies to me right now, like 22.

[00:20:04] But even though that they're that age, I don't know if it's because I'm close to their age or like, so I can't see them as super young, but they just don't look super young to me, which is really, really weird. We were trying to dress like grownups when we were their age too, though. You know, like I think the time was different. You remember when we used to have to go to the nightclubs and we'd have to basically be wearing business casual. Like you could go to the club and what you're wearing right now. And nobody would scoff at it at all there. I remember I used to have to wear like, like boat shoes.

[00:20:33] Like, like sneakers. Yeah. No sneakers, a cardigan, you know, something like that. But I don't go anywhere where I have to dress like that anymore. Like I, if I can't get in and sneakers, I'm probably not going to go. And that's not to say that I don't go to upscale places. I mean, there's definitely a time and place for everything. But back then 20 year olds in the club and like slacks is crazy. Yeah. Actually, it reminds me, like I used to work at a hip hop club in Montreal and like I was

[00:21:03] dating this guy that was so pissed because the bouncer wouldn't let him in because he was wearing sneakers and he's like, they're fucking Prada. And I was like, oh my God. So, but like they were Prada and like they wouldn't let him in with his, well, I had to go get him, but like, yeah, he was pissed. But there was that time when like, you know, you had to have the dress code. Dress code was like, it was imminent for sure.

[00:21:31] I remember I couldn't get into a bar one time because I was wearing sneakers and the bouncer at the bar was like, I think he was wearing polo boots and I clowned him too because I was like, it's Texas. You're wearing polo boots telling me I can't come in and sneakers. So you look a fool anyway, you know? So that was the time, right? Like his boots were more acceptable, even though he looked like a clown because it's in July in Texas.

[00:21:56] Um, but, oh, another fascinating part about this is that, um, Monique and, uh, and, and Mickey are watching on, they're watching these, uh, these trainings and things from a distance. So they're seeing them kind of learn, um, as well. Uh, one of the other things I thought, I thought I could point out about Lailene's moment with the toast is that, um, she of course like asked about it. Um, the woman puts her on the spot. Colette says, okay, we'll make a toast. Lailene clearly goes through just like, oh my God, all the regret that it would take

[00:22:26] to like, oh my God, I can't do that. But she does a good toast. They all clink their glasses together and Colette's like, you don't, you don't have to click. Stop it. Stop it. Don't do that. And I'm thinking in my head, I don't care. 22, 42. I'm clinking them glasses. We're not doing no toast. If we're not going, you know, touching agree. Exactly. What's the point? Sometimes people just say though, just raise your glass. Right. And that's a very specific instruction. Yeah, exactly. We clinking. I want to clink. I want to clink.

[00:22:55] I'll go like, ding. Like if I don't, I will do the personalized clink. So your favorite judge is back. Keith says they will be tested on etiquette. And Lailene is freaking out about whatever this test could be. Monique comes in and rounds them all up and tells us that Andrew Firestone, the bachelor Andrew Firestone is going to be coming from, I'm sorry, Firestone from the Firestone. Firestone? Yeah.

[00:23:23] Firestone from the Firestone winery is going to be coming. And the challenge that they have is that each of the girls are going to pair up in duos and he is going to select one of them to have dinner with. And Monique says the instructions are to select someone you can outshine. What do you think about this as a challenge? I think it's fun. What's really interesting to me is that like I had watched, like was this being filmed

[00:23:48] at the same time as his season of The Bachelor was being filmed or had it already aired? Like, would you, did you know like what the timeline is? I couldn't tell by what they said, but like I knew who Andrew Firestone was because I watched the season. I think, like, I think he ended up marrying like a nurse named Nicole. I could be making it up. But like, I remember watching his season and then like, and enjoying his season. It was like season, I don't know, two or three of The Bachelor. Mm-hmm. Super early. Anyways, it was just like kind of cool.

[00:24:18] I'm like, where was I when? Like, I felt like, ah, like, is it like the same time? Like, ah. Well, Andrew Firestone was on season three of The Bachelor. Would have put that around 2003. And this was 2007. So he had already been a Bachelor alum. Yes. And it's funny that you say that you watched The Bachelor because Buck Wilde will tell us I'm sorry, Becky will tell us. That's white people shit. I guess it is. But like, love is universal, right? Yeah.

[00:24:47] She says she doesn't watch it because it's, she says she doesn't watch it because it's white people stuff. And that, that's on brand for Buck Wilde. But like, what are, do you think her parents watch it? Her parents probably watch it. She's like, I ain't watching this. I ain't watching that. I ain't watching that. I ain't watching that. Yeah. Not me. Flavor Love season one. She had probation that day. She couldn't watch the episode. So I like that Monique expressly tells these women the strategy of this.

[00:25:17] It is pick somebody you can outshine. It doesn't, hey, pair up and do all. She is telling you what the strategy is. I think they even did it in episode one. They said, this is bootcamp. It's an obstacle course. Pick a team that can win. Not pick your friends. Not pick your best friend. Oh, this would be fun if we did this together. The goal is to win the competition. I love that. And also though, it kind of like, they do this a little bit in other reality shows currently,

[00:25:44] but Mr. Beast does stuff like this where it's like you partner up and you think that like, Oh, like, okay, I'm going to work together with this person. And now only one of you is going to make it through. Like, you know, so it started from way back then where it's like, when you partner up with somebody on a competitive reality show, chances are you guys are going to be going against each other. And so I think it's, I think we should be like developing the lore or like the rules for

[00:26:10] like reality TV competitive shows, because like that's, that should be a rule that people should know for sure. And I like that this show says it no other show we watch will say out loud those exact words, right? Find you a partner that you can be like even survivor. We just saw survivor doing the duos twist recently. And they did not say your partner is somebody you need to outshine and win against. They said, pick your partner or we're going to tie your destinies or whatever the case may be.

[00:26:36] We see it all the time, but we rarely see a host say the goal here is to beat that person. So pick that person. And I think it adds a lot of drama because obviously you might think you can beat somebody, but you actually have to find somebody who also thinks they can beat you. You know, it's like they need to be willing to go up against you as much as you should be what you wanting to go up against them. Cause I think it's really easy for somebody who is a front runner to go and find a weak link and say, all right, let me go up against you. But the weak link has to agree as well. Right?

[00:27:06] You know, there's nobody is picking teams here. They have to, they are choosing duos based on a mutual understanding that I could beat you. And I thought that was more interesting than anything you've ever seen. I think that I would wish I saw a little bit more of the friction that it could cause because like, you'd be like, excuse me? Like you're going to go against me? Cause do you think you could beat me? Like get out of here. But like, I wanted to see a little bit more of that, but I guess like sometimes shows are banking on the opposite.

[00:27:35] Is it like friends together and be like, no, I can't go against you. Like I can't like, you know, like they're banking on that type of drama. But I would like to see a little bit more of like, uh, I'm calling the shot. You know? Like, yeah, I got you. No, I, I like that too. Uh, shout out to Brycey Bryce, uh, purple pants, bad-ass in the chat, uh, with the purple hearts just in time to hear us talking about a charm school episode to Bryce. If you ever want to jump in, you know, we can send you the episodes and get you caught up.

[00:28:05] Um, so Hottie chooses her, uh, her target or I'm sorry, her partner, I would say. And she identifies that crazy AKA Heather is the one she says, I know I can beat her. And Heather seems like she's up to the challenge. Chantel Heather is so wrong. Heather, I think has really gotten along in life for being, she seems like she's a little bit tall.

[00:28:34] She like seems to have like a nice body. She's very like, you know, pretty to like most mass people or whatever. Um, and so I think that she just thinks that she's better than everybody else. So yeah, that's why she's so wrong. And she didn't really, she doesn't really know how to compete well because she probably has never really had to do anything because everything was probably just kind of given to her, you know? Yeah.

[00:29:01] Um, Larissa tells us that she wants to link up with Brooke. She said, I need to partner with Brooke because I know I could beat her. And Shay says, nah, I think I want to partner with Brooke. And they tell her to her face. Shay says, I want to pick you because I want to beat your ass. And, um, Brooke kind of cornered says, nah, I think I want to go up against Larissa. She's younger and you know, Brooke is a teacher. So she has a college education. She thinks she should be able to use that against her and maybe win this challenge.

[00:29:31] And Brooke says, yeah, I'm gonna go with Larissa. Do you think that was a good choice for her? I think like her rationale as to why she wanted to go against Larissa was, was smart. Um, I was surprised that she didn't get more offended that both of them wanted to go against her. I thought that she might've had a little bit more reaction, but she didn't. She kept her cool. Maybe she thought she could beat both of them, so it didn't bother her. But I thought that she might've been like, you know, like, what do you think you could get?

[00:29:59] Like, I thought there was gonna be a little bit more back and forth about it, but she, she took her picture shot with Larissa. And I think that her rationale was sound. I need to talk about my favorite moment in this entire episode. So, um, my, my fave here, Shatar. Um, this is when she steps into one of her Shatar moments, her legendary Shatar moments, Shatar moments, because Heather is going to get her dress and she cannot find it.

[00:30:27] Somebody stole her long brown dress. Her fucking BCBG suit dress is missing. It's $1,500. Her $2,000 dress is missing and it's nowhere to be found. Um, and who could have possibly taken her dress? Oh my gosh. Like, is that what I'm going to go when I go for Hottie for Halloween? Is that what I'm going to wear?

[00:30:57] Yes. You got to wear like this Minnesota Vikings dress that she's got on. This GIF, I see people use this GIF all the time. And I laugh every time. Cause I know exactly the moment it happened. She's peeking around the corner. Heather's having a whole ass breakdown and Hottie is right here dying because she knows she hid that girl's entire wardrobe in the cabinet downstairs under the sink. That's another thing that like, I wouldn't ever think to do, you know what I mean?

[00:31:28] Like, and like, I just was like feeling so bad. Like, I guess I'm a little bit too sentimental or whatever, but like, you know, she gathered all the clothes, she crumpled them up and like, if it was like someone's nice suit that's like hung up and it's just like in a ball, like underneath the stove or like the sink, like, yeah. I can't feel bad. Cause it's Shatar. I make allowances for Shatar. Cause she does. No, what? What? No, no, what?

[00:31:58] Oh, you think that she said she's gotten married? Do you think that, do you think that this is her in real life as well? Or do you think that this is just a whole persona that she puts on? You know, for her and New York, I don't really know where one begins in the next one ends because we saw New York season one, New York season one is not the same person that we just saw on house of villains season three. That's not the same person. That's not the same person, but they kind of weave in and out of each other.

[00:32:23] And I think for Heidi, I think Heidi season one is still charm school. And so I don't know. I feel like you might be getting, this might be Heidi, right? We saw Heidi on blind date. We saw the clips of that. She kind of was giving the same energy. I forgot about this. Can we find that? Ooh, okay. We got to find it. We're going to try to find the Heidi episode of blind date. Okay. Let's just put that. And maybe we'll try to find the Brooke episode of blind date too. Right. Cause pumpkin was on there.

[00:32:53] Yeah. I mean, I wanted to, I remember watching blind date, so I probably saw them both. Yeah. Cause I feel like I've seen all of the episodes of that, that show. So yeah, I'm in. Oh my God. I feel like so old now. I'm starting to get like sentimental. I'm like, Oh my God. Are you crying? Because Heidi was on blind date. You know, me at that time, I was just so young, naive.

[00:33:21] Like the first time seeing all these love shows, reality TV. I mean, I'd watch reality TV for a while. Cause I watched the real world and road rules, but like all these love shows, like, I don't know. It was just like my beginning. And so I just feel a little bit like baby Shantizi. Yeah. I love that the chat, uh, Brittany Melhooker, they're like, Hey, I forgot this gif came from this. This is, this is one of the best gifs that have come from flavor of love slash charm school. Yeah.

[00:33:49] A lot of people remember it being a hottie, a hottie moment, but it was, it was from charm school and not flavor of love. Um, so Shatar says that is so sad as she is hiding behind the door, laughing tongue out. She don't care. Um, and my favorite part of this whole interaction is that, is that there's a moment where, uh, Heather is in the bathroom about to cry. So she's shutting the door. Like, I just need some time. And Heidi's like, no, no, don't cry. Don't cry. Don't shut the door. I need to get my rollers. Okay. Bye.

[00:34:19] I thought she's going to be like, okay, I'm sorry. I, I, I took your clothes. I thought she was going to be like, no, no, no. I just need to like, I just need to get my stuff. I really was like a surprise that she was like going to tell her and confess. And I was like, Oh, she's going to confess. What? And then no. Okay. No, she's not. You, you know what else dates this? The BCBG. Is BCBG still popping? I haven't heard nobody.

[00:34:48] I haven't ever heard nobody drop BCBG in a while. And crazy was dropping. She was like, this is my BCBG 1500. Oh, not BCBG. She knew she ate them up with that one. I definitely used to like think that BCBG was like, like a thing, you know? Yeah. It was for the girls. BCBG Max Azria. Right. Yeah. Is it still? Is there still a store?

[00:35:17] I mean, is it still popping up? If somebody popped out with the BCBG today, are you going to be like, okay, BCBG? I do think I have a pair of BCBG shoes that are quite nice. Yeah. I don't know. A while ago. Bay say Bay J is what Mel calls it. Bay say Bay J. Bay say Bay J. Bay. Now, listen, BCBG is either above or beyond my realm of knowledge.

[00:35:48] I'm familiar with the store, obviously, but it ain't nowhere I ever shopped. So I would really like to know if anybody listening to this is like, nah, I still be popping out in the BCBG. I don't, I really don't remember seeing if the store still exists. So I'd say no. I did a quick Google and there definitely is a, you can definitely buy BCBG online right now. But like, is there like a, like a store? Like a physical location. Is it used to be in like malls? Can you see? Yeah. Can you look up for me if it's in Yorkdale Mall, Toronto?

[00:36:15] Cause like, that's like a high end mall that would, that did used to have BCBG there. I know this cause I did used to work in retail at that time. Actually. Okay. And I used to work at, we had, it was a high end clothing store called Marciano. And so we did carry some BCBG items at times, but like, you know, I, it was, it was popular.

[00:36:43] Definitely for like tailored, like nice fitting things for women is what I remember. I cannot find a physical location in Toronto right now. I've seen some map quest spots, but you know, map quest. Yeah. Is that going to give you a virus? Maybe I didn't click it. So I'm seeing California has some locations currently, Florida, Illinois. So there's a few, there's a few out here. Yeah.

[00:37:13] But not, no, not really. It's not, I think they gone. I think BCBG is not, they didn't got them up out of here for the most part. So yeah. There's a BCBG outlet, the marquee company store in New York. So yeah, it looks like they didn't pretty got, pretty much got bought out. But, uh, looks like, uh, Heather was really keeping them on the map. Do you think that she kept those BCBG items and maybe they're going to be like collectors? Worth something? Yeah. I don't know. We've got to go find the thrift store where all the BCBG is.

[00:37:43] Auction Nevaeh's brown BCBG tailored suit. We could probably make a little money off of that if we had it, if we had it just off the lore alone. Um, so yeah, I, I'm sorry. This is awful. This is so mean that Shatar does this to Heather, comma, but I wouldn't have it any other way. Cause this is so funny. Brooke says, F it. You, so you, I'm sorry. Are you crying about it? I'm about to go find it. And she does.

[00:38:09] She finds all the dresses, but nobody knows who did this. And Shatar is very happy with the outcome because she says the goal was to rattle her nerves. And because of that, she could win. Now, Shantel, did you think it was going to stop there? Because Shatar is going to take it one extra step further when she does the reveal. I thought it was going to stop there. I actually thought before I saw, um, Shatar laughing about the whole situation and kind of admitting it to the cameras anyways, that it was her.

[00:38:35] I actually thought it was part of the challenge and that like producers went in and kind of took steps to see how the girls were going to be reacting. Like, that's what I totally thought was, was going on. And then to see that she actually did it, I was like, ah, what a messy bee. I definitely thought it was going to stop there. She wanted to rattle her so that she would potentially, you know, go in there and be able to snag this opportunity from her. So I thought it was going to be done there though.

[00:39:03] Yeah. So the challenge is Andrew Firestone has a selection of wines that he's going to be, uh, um, showing off and he needs someone to come with him who has glass, uh, class, grace and elegance to be on his arm. And so what is going to happen is the six ladies are going to all, uh, well, the, the 12 ladies are going to pair up into pairs of, of, of two and then obviously, and there's going to be six pairs of two. And then those two, uh, those pairs are going to compete against each other.

[00:39:31] And then that's going to narrow it down to the final, what the, the, the, I guess he's going to make a choice out of those people. And then he's going to narrow it down to six and he's going to narrow that down to even one. So it's just going to narrow it down, narrow it down, narrow it down through all these elegance challenges to see, okay, now who's going to be the one to be on his arm. So we're going to go from six to two and then to one. And, um, like I said, Monique and Mickey are going to be watching this while it happens.

[00:39:59] Now our first pair is, uh, Dara versus Safiree. And, uh, I need to know we had like that. We had Safiree. Were you impressed? I was like that. I thought like that was so, was so charming. Um, I thought she was great. I thought she did a great job. And I think that even as a fiery was like, well, who's this, like, you know, how she was able to turn on this, like elegance and poise. I, I, I enjoyed like that. Yeah.

[00:40:28] She, she was really good. Uh, when she says, uh, I think he said like, you know, the person I'm looking for needs to be able to speak to, you know, like the cultural aspects of this thing. And she's like, well, I have traveled to Paris. I said, yeah, it's like that. Okay. Okay. She talked about how she's been to like upstate New York where they have wineries. It was like, okay. She been around a little bit. She didn't got a little, uh, uh, she got, she got some, some worldly, uh, attributes that can make her really good for this. I was very proud of her. Me too. Me too. She's so, I love her look.

[00:40:56] I think she's so cute in her little, it looks like, uh, um, yeah. I was impressed with her. And so was, uh, Mr. Firestone apparently. Yeah. So Firee says, uh, no, he invited like that to dinner cause she's round as hell and he thought she would enjoy some French food. Oh, rude. Yeah. Rude. Yeah. Uh, next up, Crystal and Shay, uh, they're asked about altercations they may have had on flavor of love.

[00:41:25] And of course we know that Shay almost murdered crazy by pushing her off the balcony. And because of that, she's had a few altercations. Uh, but Crystal says, no, I'm a lover, not a fighter. And we see her, um, get invited to dinner, uh, as well. Uh, I think she even complimented his pink socks. She did compliment his pink socks that matched his pink shirt. Um, I thought that she may do a little bit better.

[00:41:54] I thought she was okay. Um, but yeah, I thought she'd do maybe a little bit better. So next up we have Courtney and Layleen, uh, Goldie, Courtney is asking a lot of questions. Like who's Courtney? Yeah. Girl, Goldie. She needs to actually change her name to be honest. Cause like Goldie, I don't think it's like a, like a rude name. Like it's not bad. Like I think it shows that she's like a light, you know, it's kind of like how New York has kept her name.

[00:42:23] I kind of think Goldie could keep her name. Cause I think it suits her. And like, it doesn't seem like it's a flavor of love nickname. You know, Goldie sounds like it's more about her personality, you know, cause she does glow. She lights up the room. Uh, but she loses this because she's asking him a bunch of questions and he's kind of more like, I'm supposed to be leading this conversation. Layleen on the other hand, uh, is being very polite as well, but she's like more like letting him take the lead and answering the questions that he has.

[00:42:51] And she, of course, Layleen is going to end up winning this. And Courtney says that she shouldn't have been surprised. She actually shouldn't have chosen Layleen because men love Asian women. And doesn't it look like Layleen can love her long time? I was like, was that a, was that like a microaggression or microaggression? That was racist. That was racist. I was like, it wouldn't hold up now.

[00:43:20] That might've been on the editing floor this time around, but, um, yeah, I, I could see where the humor was. Uh, back then. Mm-hmm. Uh, next up we have Becky and Toasty and Toasty is very surprised because. Oh my God. Is Buckwild code switching? Uh, Becky is back. Chantel, were you happy to get Becky back on our screens? Code switching is crazy.

[00:43:50] She said I had to bring Becky back for this one. And it, and it, it worked. Like Becky was great. It's so psycho. She says, uh, I love, uh, Francis Coppola wine and a nice white Zinfandel on a Merlot. Uh, and honestly, Jen Toasty, she's me in this moment. Cause she's like, nah, what happened to Buckwild? You supposed to be drinking a 40 out of a brown paper bag.

[00:44:18] Now all of a sudden you talking about, uh, drinking wines and stuff like that. You couldn't even watch The Bachelor because that was white people shit. But all of a sudden now Becky can show up. Okay. Buckwild. Okay, Becky. Becky with good hair. Right. Okay. Becky. Um, no. So, and Toasty is like, oh, you know, like I just want to, I don't want to be still known as my Toasty self. And so she doesn't drink anymore, I guess. Is she sober? Is she sober? I don't know if she's sober, but she, I don't know.

[00:44:45] How do you, what do you think about this aspect of her? Right. She's known for being the drunk girl. I mean, her name was Toasty because she'd be getting drunk. So how do you feel about her kind of being like, I've just almost being like, I'm not going to participate in that question of the challenge. Well, maybe when that name tag was removed from her, maybe she wanted that, uh, part of her image to be gone with her too. So maybe her new image is that it started with the show maybe. Okay. But how do you think she should handle this?

[00:45:15] Because this is a wine based challenge. It's not like she's being asked to drink, but she does need to beat Becky. Yeah. She wasn't beating Becky. She let Becky beat her. Uh, I don't know what she could do other than say like, Hey, I've tried this wine or like she didn't contribute at all. And, uh, that's what she would have needed to do. And so she chose to let Becky outshine her. Yeah. She, she kind of bowed out of this competition altogether.

[00:45:39] Um, so eventually Andrew will get to, uh, Brooke and he asked her about the spitting incident. And she's of course says, you know, that's not really something, you know, I don't feel proud about that. Larissa says, I think that's the worst thing you can do to somebody. And then he asked, uh, you know, about Larissa and what she has going on. And she says, well, I would love to get to know more about you. And it's something about the way she says it that Mickey and Monique felt scandal.

[00:46:09] Like they were like, Oh my God, is she coming on to him? I didn't think that was that bad. It wasn't that bad at all. It was exaggerated big time. Like that's something that people do is like, it's flattery. It's like, you know, turn that question around to them to maybe make him endeared to her a little bit. I was definitely not offended by that at all. Monique said, Oh, she's giving it. She's giving it. She's giving it. Yes.

[00:46:38] I was like, Hey, honestly, the goal is to outshine the other person. If it take a little flirting to get you your name called, you can get to the next round. I don't think it's out of line. She didn't say anything inappropriate. Yeah. Is flirting not good etiquette? I mean, maybe not if it's a professional in a professional sense, I guess. Right. Like, I don't think sexual harassment if you're flirting too much, I guess. But like from like a teeny little woman that's 22. That's like you.

[00:47:09] She just said, I just want to get to know you. You know, that's all. And I don't know. I don't know. Like they, it obviously must have been a little bit more. Yeah. Maybe, maybe it was a little bit more over the top because, you know, Mickey and Monique kind of like react to it, but it didn't seem like it was that bad. But we have to get to our main event match here. It's Shatar and it's Heather. And as they sit down and they're talking, Shatar immediately turns to Heather and says,

[00:47:38] yeah, I'm so happy that you were able to bounce back from when I hid your gowns. And this just cracks Heather in half. I'm talking about, you could just see the realization coming on her face because Hottie does this directly in front of Andrew, who has no clue what's going on. He does, he does not know this ordeal happened. So for her to just turn and be like, wow, I'm so glad you got your life back together ever since I stole from you earlier. And then just turn around and continue to have the conversation.

[00:48:09] Yeah. Hottie is the best. She's the best. Now, I would have thought that how I was thinking the episode was going to go was that it was going to back, like go back on Shatar. Because I was like, if to hear that somebody was stealing something to get a reaction out of somebody else and then airing that out in front of Andrew, I thought it was going to backfire and that she was going to be the one that loses out in the end. I really, really did.

[00:48:37] I think that crazy was going to come out on top, like, because like theft is not really like a great attribute to show. But no, he was, I guess, worse than the fact that she couldn't, she couldn't, she couldn't bounce back at all. Yeah. Yeah. And Monique doesn't like this because she says Heather is the victim a lot. Uh, it's like, and we get flashes of Heather crying and blaming other people for things that are going wrong.

[00:49:05] You know, we get the flashback to her talking to delicious and be like, just try to steal my man, you know, and things like that. So it doesn't look great on her either. Andrew will pick Shatar and says that she's wonderful. And she's like, yeah, I am. I'm good at making, making her product look really great. And Heather wanted to choke her, but Shatar is not bothered at all that the girls are upset that she took Heather's little rags. It's just how, it's how it's gotta be. Right.

[00:49:35] It's how it's gotta be. It's okay. Heather, you lost. Get over it. Get over it. You lost. She lost. You lost. And crazy. She is a bit of a moaner. Like, uh, like the Brits call it like a whinging and moaning. Like, it's just like, like, yeah, she did do something to you, but she chose to do that to you because she knows that you're going to whine about it.

[00:50:01] And like, she'll be able to get under your skin and get you to have the reaction that's going to let her win. And so the fact that crazy is always just playing into these people's hands so easily and then whining, whinging and moaning about it. It's like, uh. No, you make a really good point. I mean, think about crazy versus New York. New York was like, crazy is so stupid. Like she was like, crazy is so dumb. Why does she think we're friends?

[00:50:30] I don't like anybody here. And I'm here to take her down, turn all the other girls against her and then make her look bad. And crazy is playing right into my hands. We got a confessional from crazy saying New York is the realest woman in the house. And I was at that point, I was like, girl, you lost. You lost. You're dumb. You're done. You're done. Like, wake up. You know, so just a little bit of naivety. Brooke hates this. So she's up against Chitar now. They're going back and forth. At one point, she talks about how Chitar has these big ass arms.

[00:51:00] Chitar says, well, at least I'm not anorexic. And Brooke says, oh, I'm anorexic. And she starts flashing her while Chitar's like, my eyes, my eyes. Well, all I can see is like Brooke's little like white bum and like this thong. And it's just like. You look like Chitar. You're like. I'm really like. Like, it's definitely not a sexy body, in my opinion. Yeah. But yeah, it's definitely really weird to like.

[00:51:31] Yeah. Yeah. That's Brooke. Yeah. Larissa is upset with Chitar as well. She says she's a whack ass bitch with a whack ass weave. And she doesn't like her whack ass ass. And so they end up going and having these little smaller conversations with Andrew because the challenge is still going on. And Chitar is talking about how much she does with her endeavors, her charitable endeavors.

[00:51:57] And Dara says, that's something I choose not to speak on about because they are something that I hold dear to me. And they're very important to me on a personal level. And I thought that was such a good answer. Such a good answer. And like, didn't come off as offensive or like shading. Like, it could have been. She could have said in a shady way more so being like, I'm not going to talk about stuff like that. You know what I mean? But like how she did it was like very polite. And like, I was like, Dara, win this!

[00:52:27] Win this! She was coming for her. She was coming for her for a while. Becky is pretty much out of this competition at this point because she's talking about how funny she is and how she is Miss No Booty. When she turns around, she has no back to her. You know, she does. I was like, Becky, what did I tell you about rapping? We don't do that. We don't do that. We don't do that. But it was better than whatever she's done in the past. Yes. Yeah. Did you practice it or was that like just on the fly? Well, she wasn't really rapping in the past.

[00:52:55] She was just doing a lot of... I don't know what she was doing. I was offended. But this time I wasn't as offended. Yeah. Yeah. I just... I wasn't as offended this time. I was just embarrassed. Larissa is also not able to shine in this conversation at all. And so... But Crystal is going to speak up to make a name for herself in this moment. She talks about how she's 24 and she's learning lessons every day. And it looks like Crystal talks for a very long time. And pretty much the house agrees unanimously that she talks too much.

[00:53:25] Yeah. I haven't seen it that much. Am I missing something? Or like just on the editing floor? It feels like... Maybe she doesn't talk too much. But she talks about herself a lot. Maybe that's what it is. Okay. And that is definitely a hallmark of her in season one, right? She was all about her modeling. Showing her photos. Showing her hair. Right, right, right, right. Her body. She's so damn fine. Oh my God. I'd be watching her now like, damn, Crystal. Have you looked Crystal up and see whether or not...

[00:53:55] I have not started tracking down these women, no. I have not. Not to say I was... Okay. I have not. Like... Sorry, Chappelle. I don't know if we talked about this before. If it's just like a thought that I'm having right now. But maybe the next part of this universe that we should pitch to VH1 or whatever is Chappelle finds love by... Why? I gotta be on the show. Why? I gotta be there. All these women's universe.

[00:54:25] So you'd be going on dates with Hottie, dates with Lailene, dates with Sirius. Like all... We'll talk about it. So... That's not a no, guys. We'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. It's Crystal bad. Crystal bad. I'm like, all right, maybe I will just for the plot. Oh, we see Lailene make a toast and it went really well.

[00:54:52] I thought that this was really good for her because she took something she learned in the challenge and applied it... I mean, in the training and applied it directly in the challenge. I thought it went really well for her. Oh, look at you giving so much support to Lailene later. But... Yeah, she's getting... Look, she's getting outshined by Crystal very quickly. Look, she don't... Listen, talk to me all you want. I'll listen. I don't care. I mean, Lailene is gorgeous, but this episode, I was just kind of like, stand up, please. Like...

[00:55:20] But she did stand up and make a toast and everybody was like impressed that she was able to get it together. But... See? People want this! People want this, Chappelle! Nobody wants this. Look, and Mr. Robot said, and she's still fine. I knew it. I knew it. I could tell. You could tell. You could tell. That kind of stuff. I mean, Lailene's also probably... They're actually... All of them probably. Other than Brooke, they probably age 12. Because we've seen Brooke and she is not age 12.

[00:55:50] So, at the end of this dinner, Andrew says he wants to take Shatar and Dara onto the next round to be in the top two. Again, I'm so proud to like that. Larissa is pissed. She thought that she should have just bent over and shook her ass like she had been doing because if he was going to be impressed by Shatar, then obviously this wasn't a serious competition. And Dara is putting up a good fight against Shatar.

[00:56:18] But Shatar says, I know I have to out-strategize her to beat her. And she starts telling this story about her mother who was rear-ended and put in a wheelchair for two years. And anytime I'm on a red carpet or... Anytime I'm walking? Anytime I'm at a premiere or a red carpet or I'm walking or driving, I just... I just... I just... I just... And Dara knows her ass and got whooped now. She's like, this is fake. She said it's faker than her weave.

[00:56:47] She called her a sneaky ass hoe. I do think as much as, you know, we love Hottie and like she can do no wrong, but the producers picked her because it was going to cause the most drama, right? Like she... I don't think that Andrew Firestone was like, you know what? You are the best representation for her. You don't think so?

[00:57:13] I think that he might have been swayed by... But given what he may or may not know about both of them, let's say he knows nothing about the both of them. We know at least he knows that Pumpkin spit on that girl on New York. But let's say he knows nothing about the both of them. You don't think Hottie did a good job of representing herself to get this role? I think that Dara would have been better in this... Between those two in the actual situation, what they needed to do, I think that Dara would

[00:57:43] have been a better person. Yeah. Like in actually, not for the plot. Well, you know, Hottie talks a good game. We've seen her in season one of Flavor of Love being like, you know, I have all these businesses that I work with and me and Flav would either be... I'd be perfect for his brand and da-da-da-da. So she talks a good game. I wouldn't be shocked if she just was able to weasel her way into it because the reason who I want to push back, Chantel, is that the very next challenge is a cooking challenge.

[00:58:11] And you cannot tell me that the producers wouldn't rather have Hottie back in that kitchen making chicken again. Well, I know. I did think about this, actually. I thought about the times I'm like, wow, like there's a cooking challenge and she's not part of this? That's wild. Yeah. I don't think... Maybe it's different producers. No, I think Hottie is known for the chicken at this point. And I think that she weaseled her way through this. I don't think she was supposed to do it.

[00:58:40] The prize should have been that she serves food to the people at the Firestone Stakes or whatever that is. You mean her prize should be that she has to go cook for someone? Like it's part of like she's hosting the dinner. She's the host. Yeah. Right? And so like she's going to prepare something special for everybody to eat. And then also giving the demonstration about the wine and speaking about the wine and everything. I think they could have encompassed both.

[00:59:10] Yeah. They would have had to figure something out. Because when I saw that they were doing a cooking challenge and Hottie wasn't there, I said, oh, they fumbled. They fumbled. They missed. They missed. This was supposed to be perfect. Because Hottie in the kitchen is exactly what you need. You need that energy the entire time. What do you think she would cook? Like her specialty? She had to go with her. Yeah. Her signature move. Chicken. Microwave chicken? I don't know if she would have used the microwave. I mean, she definitely. She said it was healthy. Because remember, Hottie's a vegan. She doesn't eat any of that stuff anyway.

[00:59:39] So maybe she just makes a salad. No. But she's going to make something. Well. No. They were following the recipe anyways, though. They were following Monique's recipe. So she probably would have been able to do a decent job. Yeah. Well, she's off doing the winery thing. So we'll never get to know, honestly, what she would have done in the kitchen. But while she's away, the house is kind of pushing back. Brooke is still mad.

[01:00:08] So she wants to humiliate Hottie by putting her dirty underwear on the picture of her face that goes above her bed. And those underwear were stained at the very least, Chantel. What did Boots call it? I don't know. I don't know what she called it. I didn't.

[01:00:37] She said something specific. And I was like, first time hearing that. It wouldn't be what I would do to retaliate. I find it curious that that's what Brooke decided to do. It's just a little odd to find someone's dirty underwear and place it over their photo. Right? Like, I don't know. It just wouldn't be what I would do. Mm-hmm. Would you? No. What? No. I'm not going to do nobody's clothes.

[01:01:05] Especially because I think it was Becky who looked at Brooke and said, did you touch that with your hands? And she said, yeah. She said, did you wash your hands? She said, no, I just did like this. She said, could you go wash your hands? I was like, you know it's bad when Buck Wilde is the one telling you, get your shit together. She was grossed out. She's nasty. She's nasty. She said, girl, wash your fucking hands. She's nasty.

[01:01:32] So, since Shatar wins and is safe from elimination and they're out here doing these things, Shatar, when she gets back, she's like, those aren't mine. I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. She plays it. They probably are hers, but she does not let these women rattle her at all. And they're all like, didn't you see? Look over there. Look over. And she's just staring at them. Like, not looking at all. I'm not going to give you all that. She's not going to give them the satisfaction of letting her, like, cry or fall apart. She's like, no.

[01:02:01] It's like, crazy could never. Crazy would have been a balling mess. We would have to go get her. I can't believe you're messing with me. I should write a song about this. Yeah. Hottie is unflappable. She's not bothered by any of this. Is there anything you think that could, like, do you think we'll get the opportunity to see her lose her cool? Because she's always on. Right?

[01:02:29] Like, what could rattle her? I think the closest we got was the chicken. I do think that was the closest we got. Because she looked. Is it Beyonce? No. It's because she. Honestly, because looking back, they favor a little bit. We've seen it. You've seen it. You were like, I kind of can see. I think the chicken thing really caught her off guard. I don't know why. But to me, that came off like the most sincere she's ever been. I think it's because they were all talking to her. And she was looking legitimately confused.

[01:02:58] Like, what do you mean? This wasn't an attack on you and your mom. I thought this was healthy chicken. I pressed the chicken button. No. I know. She can't be that dense. So, like, I don't know. I don't understand. I don't understand. Is she just a complete mask? Or is this really who she is? It's just it's very. I know you said they're one in itself. But. Oh, man. Like, what could rattle her?

[01:03:28] I need to know who she truly is. Yeah. Well, maybe we'll find out in this season or maybe in a future season of. Of. I hope that Shatar has a new branch, a new lane. Yeah. Hottie's penthouse of love. Hottie's matchmaking service. I could see some. Maybe. Hottie's chicken cooking school. Yeah. Yeah. Wait. Where was Hottie on worst cooks in America? Could we at least get that? Oh, that's too new. I mean, maybe she's been on it.

[01:03:57] I just didn't know it was her. No, I would remember the name Shatar. Are you checking? Of course. I need to look because I know whether or not we will be seeing her maybe in this universe, but I don't know what else she's done in the time that we've been away from her. That's good. She should be doing right. Yes. Yes. He is our resident Hottie expert. And we appreciate his contributions to our podcast because, look, and I'm not even going to lie to you. She got a lot of credits on IMDb.

[01:04:28] Oh, she's been acting. Or at least she's been on TV. Well, does it say herself or does it say role? I cannot confirm or deny any of that. But now we do have to talk about Shatar at the presentation. She gets out of the car. She's wearing this white dress with almost like a feather boa on because that's kind of her style. And she immediately face plants and falls in front of Andrew. Now, do you think that he stepped on her dress? Maybe that's why.

[01:04:58] Because he was complaining about the dress. But to me, it didn't seem like a long gown. But I didn't understand how she fell. So I feel like either she stepped on her own dress or he stepped on her dress. One of the two. But we didn't actually see the whole thing happen. So we're not sure. But I was like, oh, whoops. Off to a bad start. She was happy to be around the upper crust people that she's used to and away from the hookers and the hoes in the house.

[01:05:27] And so her job is to make the company look great. And while in there, we see that her job is to unveil the portrait with the new wine kind of like branding on it. And she pulls the cloth off. The portrait falls down on the ground face down. She just goes, ta-da! Because she is unflappable. This lady did not even flinch when it hit the ground. She didn't flinch when she couldn't open up a bottle of wine.

[01:05:56] She doesn't drink. Okay, fair, fair, fair. But like, wait, so she doesn't drink. So she's like this, like, completely sober. She told Flav's mom she doesn't drink and she doesn't smoke. I mean, I believe, I do believe her. I feel like Shatara sounds like a bit of a religious name. So I wouldn't be surprised if she's religious in some capacity.

[01:06:20] Yeah, she's like, anybody normal would be like a little bit rattled if they unveil a presentation and it falls to the ground. She just smelled like that. I mean... Nope. She prances out of there like nothing happened, you know? And Andrew Firestone is like, you know, maybe we could have done, like, better. Like, I don't know. She wasn't as polished as I thought she was going to be.

[01:06:47] Well, I also have to say, though, that what she had to do was different than what I was expecting her to have to do. Right? Yeah. Like, did they say that they're going to have to make a presentation in front of these people? I thought she was just having dinner with them or sitting and drinking the wine with them in the beginning. And then you kind of learn a little bit more. But like, as the prize, if I had to work for this prize, like, it's terrible. Yeah. I mean, it's better than cooking. Oh, I guess you get safety. Yeah. You get immunity as well.

[01:07:17] So the rest of the ladies, they had to cook. And everything they need to cook can be or need to cook will be found in the kitchen. Along with the cookbook that Monique has, Skinny Cooks Can't Be Trusted, because this was in Monique's, like, skinny shaming era. She's no longer in that era. Some would argue that she has now become the thing she hates the most. But Layleen is in turmoil again, because she can't cook. She says, I can't cook, but I can read a cookbook.

[01:07:46] Sapphire points out, Layleen got three kids. She needs to figure this out. You need to be able to cook. Definitely. When you have a... I was just curious as to why she's so like... Because if you have a cookbook, you just have to follow the instructions, right? Yeah. You just read what it says and follow it, and you will be able to create something. So when people are like, I can't cook.

[01:08:15] Well, that's like... I would think it's just because you can't do it just off the top of your head and just create something. But following a cookbook, I think it should be a no-brainer, literally. That's how I am. If you asked me, if you dropped me into the kitchen with a bunch of ingredients and said, create, I probably can't do it. But if you say, here's a recipe, go. I'm like, oh, okay. I can do exactly what you told me to do verbatim. You know, you say preheat the oven. I preheat the oven. You tell me to dice something, I dice something, you know? So I don't know. I think people get intimidated in the kitchen.

[01:08:47] Fine. Maybe. I don't think I was, but maybe... No, I wasn't. But at that age, I can see a little bit more likely to maybe be intimidated by the kitchen. But I was experimenting with things from like... I was super young, like making stuff. I used to make like French toast every Sunday. Okay. Like, I used to actually get like cookbooks when I was a kid. Like kids cookbooks and like make stuff. And then like, oh, I was inspired to make things on my own. So I do like cooking.

[01:09:17] I think it's kind of fun. But I just don't understand how people get intimidated by a cookbook. It's literally like telling you what to do. No, she's so intimidated. Jen is saying that she needs medications bad. And Safari says, you know, Layleen is a mess. And Layleen is trying to hype herself up. Brooke is like, nah, this is getting on my nerves. All this talking to yourself. It's acting crazy. She's at almost hottie levels of crazy. And so very concerning.

[01:09:47] They all end up in the kitchen working hard, except Layleen, who is still upstairs doing affirmations. And when she comes down, no one wants her to help them with their recipes. Like they're almost done cooking. And so she just decides to make a grilled cheese sandwich, which isn't even included in Mo's cookbook. Sorry, that would piss me off if somebody just wanted to come swipe in and take part of the credit and do absolutely none of the work. I'm not about that life. That pisses me off for sure. For sure. So I wouldn't be like, sorry, like make your own thing.

[01:10:16] It's like you didn't do any of this. You're not putting your name on this presentation. No, no, no. Yeah. And all the girls throw her under the bus. They tell Monique like she just showed up. She's been acting weird all day. She hasn't cooked anything. She just made a grilled cheese sandwich. And she starts to break down. And Monique says, you always talk about being strong. So stop crying and use your strength. And I thought that was good advice because I think we're all tired of hearing her cry. I'm tired of hearing her cry.

[01:10:42] She just like, I think she's gorgeous and she's probably sweet and she's probably a great mother. But on this show, she's just too much of a wimp. Like I like I think. I would just probably try to steamroll her. And it's just because like she's just acting so wimpy that like I would be craving just to be like mean to her. You know what I mean? I don't know if you know what I'm saying. But like people just like are so act like that. Like I just get it.

[01:11:11] When people act weak, it makes you want to bully them? Kind of. Oh my gosh, I tell. Well, like it just brings it out of me. Like just to be like, I don't know. I'm sorry. You want to toughen them up? Yeah. I get that. I get that. I don't relate, but I understand what you're saying. I was a mean girl at one point in my life. But yeah, I'm reformed. Yeah. Look, you went to your own charm school or maybe that's what our next show is.

[01:11:37] We pitched a VH1 Chantel's charm school and you can get these people in reality TV shape. How to go on a reality show and make a name for yourself or when. I don't know if I have the skills for that, but I would go on it. I think I feel like you have done the research, right? Like you are very learned in your craft and you can help people at least make a name for themselves on TV. I think you've seen enough to know what a good character is. Yeah. I can see what a good character is. Yeah. Yeah. But I think this show would be the bigger hit. It would be. No, no, no.

[01:12:07] Stop. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it. So the women throw. I want to give something to what? Oh, you want to give her something to cry about? No, I mean, I'm not going to. Well, maybe. Get it together. Yeah. So they throw Heidi under the bus, of course, and Monique tells them to deal with it, including Heather, who's complaining a lot. And she's like, the music industry is hard. If you can't take Heidi, what are you going to do in the industry? Maybe that's why it's really hard to find her music right now. Maybe she couldn't cut it. Who knows?

[01:12:36] But then Monique also has the girls role playing. She says she tells Larissa to act like Brooke. Then she tells Jen to act like Shay. And then she tells Safari to act like Crystal. And this is where it comes out that Crystal is talking about herself so much. And it's to the point where she even talks about talking about herself so much to where they think she talks a lot, explaining that she talks a lot.

[01:13:04] Talking about yourself, though, is not great in these kind of group environments. She's probably doing it, though, because she's like, feels insecure, maybe. And like, you know, showing all of her accomplishments and what she's up to, what she's doing makes her feel important. But like, also read the room. If people are not like vibing with what you're saying, like, you know, just zip it. I mean, like, should we do something else to talk about? Ask them a question, you know? So just, yeah, try. Normal social things? Normal social things.

[01:13:34] So everybody's nervous because of Elimination. Lailena's nervous because she has this crybaby image. Heather actually feels good about going into Elimination, which is a problem because that's not great. And Goldie, a.k.a. Courtney, tells Crystal that she should be concerned. But Crystal's like, no, I shouldn't. I'm going to be fine. So at Elimination, those are our bottom three. Monique does call out Shatar for being foul and being a thief. But she did manage to get over on everybody and win the challenge. So she is safe.

[01:14:04] But I thought Lailene was actually going to be at the bottom and not Larissa. I think she did too well in the etiquette, you know, like with the toast. I think all that stuff, like she actually did perform well. But on a personal level. Last thing, though, with like the food stuff and like not participate, I thought that that was going to kind of kill her. Yeah. Yeah. I think because of that, because of how she did in the etiquette challenge, I think that kind of saved her a little bit. But Larissa doesn't like this at all.

[01:14:34] She doesn't like that Shatar gets a pass. She's like, it's going to make me be willing to play dirty against Shatar or anybody else to get to the top. And I think that's the problem with telling people that, you know, are rewarding the Shatar behavior. Right. If you say, OK, well, she lied and she cheated, but she won. OK, well, what's stopping us all from lying and cheating next time? What kind of etiquette school or charm school is it going to be if everybody is just lying and cheating to get their way to the top? I mean, it'll be an entertaining one. Oh, yeah, for sure. It's season on season on season.

[01:15:03] If that's what they've learned, I want to see what they've learned. You know, I think to see retaliation or, you know, any time where they might sabotage people like. It's all in the game of winning, right? It is still a competition show. And so it sucks that there's cameras that sometimes that Monique is able to watch and see what they're doing, because it would be it would be good that they could have all these things that could happen. That's not going to necessarily jeopardize them being in the game.

[01:15:31] But I'm here for it, to be honest, for the TV show. Yeah. So Larissa is confused about being in the bottom three. Heather is pissed and Crystal is embarrassed. Keith says Larissa wasn't engaging in the lesson. They basically accused her of flirting. And Monique says the reason you're down here is because every time you're called out about adult behavior, you start to revert back to childlike behavior whenever somebody addresses you. What did you think about that feedback for Larissa?

[01:15:57] I thought it was surprising, but I was going to say more so that she shuts down and she becomes just very small. And if Monique is recognizing that to be like acting like a child, like maybe like a child that did something wrong and they're just like, yeah, so maybe I can see what she's saying. I just thought more of it shutting down. But I guess, yeah, it could be. Yeah, I think it's good feedback. But she didn't really respond in a way to snap out of it. I thought she'd be like, I totally understand. Like, yes, I'm here. I want to change that part of myself.

[01:16:26] I just I shut down when like I feel confronted and I'm going to work on doing, you know, going against that. She didn't really come with that energy. So I was a little bit worried for her that she might not make it through. Yeah. Monique says every chance Crystal gets, she talks about herself. She tells Larissa to grow up and she says, Heather, being the victim gets boring and you play it very well and you are expelled.

[01:16:51] And so Heather is hurt and shocked and she doesn't want to change who she is to be in an industry. But she is going to be our second eliminated contestant here. Are you surprised to see crazy, aka Heather, going out so soon? Well, when we started with her at the beginning of the episode, I was like, OK, this is going to be a Heather centric episode for sure.

[01:17:17] And then when she wasn't doing well in the episode, I was like, oh, it's her it's her boot episode. Wow. So I kind of had an inkling just like with it being having a lot of focus on her. But like as a person on this show, I was surprised that she was out second. Yeah, she was a standout in Flavor of Love season two. And now she's our second boot here as we wrap up a wrap up episode two of charm school. And so she's shocked.

[01:17:46] And I think a lot of people were shocked because I think she's ready to be an R&B diva and she has other places to be. But Chantel. I'm married. You and Elijah said. OK, that's it. We'll be back next week, Chantel, to talk about episode three. Are you excited? Yes. What's episode three's title? Actually, I can probably find it. Oh, no, no, no. You are not allowed to Google things. I do. No, I have it. Like, I have the list of all the episodes. Oh, the episodes. Yeah. So I know where the titles are.

[01:18:16] I believe it is a big chested girl. No, no. Oh, that's it. Big chested girl. No, no. Yep. It's a big girl. A big chested girl. No, no. That sounds like a Chantel type episode. We'll get big chested girls. So Chantel and Donna. Monique said these women had the biggest breasts that she's ever seen. All of them. And so I think a lot of them could be up for grabs. But you're right.

[01:18:43] Hottie is one of her identifiers is definitely her breasts. Wait, didn't she say that she has a smaller chest size on her season? No. Actually, I think she said they were bigger than she would have liked to admit. I think her chest size, the one thing she did not say, was smaller. I guess I'll say. Okay. I can't remember. Anyways, maybe they were saying, like, no, it's a bigger. I don't know. I can't remember. And what was this episode title?

[01:19:13] This was, uh, let me find it. This, I should know this one. Oh, Dirty Drawers Done Dirt Cheap. Okay. Dirty Drawers Done Dirt Cheap. Okay. Yes. Um. Thank you. Yeah. Not the best. Not the best titles. They could be better. I should put this back. Yeah. It could be better. Um, that's it. It's over. That's it. We did it. We got through Charm School episode two. Chantel has the book on her head.

[01:19:43] Chantel, tell everybody where they can find you until we come back to talk about this, uh, show next week on Sunday School. So this week, um, RHEP came to my hometown, my city, Toronto, and we watched the most recent episode. I believe it was episode nine. So on my channel, reality realness with three S's, I will be doing bingo soon. It might be by myself, but like everything kind of got out of space because like I wasn't at like able to watch at home. So that should be coming up soon.

[01:20:13] I also have been talking about euphoria with Grace. Um, and so I will be catching up with her tomorrow on episode three, which aired, I guess today, airs today and we'll be talking about it tomorrow and it'll be, I think live on Tuesday. So catch that for sure on tastemakers on RHEP. I think it's where it is. I should know that. Whoops. That's it. And, uh, you can catch us here on recap kickback every week talking about things.

[01:20:42] Of course, we'll be back to talk about more charm school. Um, G and I are still finishing up Abbott elementary. We got a little behind because of the travel and because of my, uh, me working a billion hours a day. And so that will be a very soon, but the most recent episode should be out. Well, the, the, the penultimate episode should be out and we should have our finale episode up soon. We also should be, uh, recording other content for bed on black soon as well. And then Mario and I will be talking about Michael, the, uh, biopic about Michael Jackson

[01:21:12] that just was released this week in theaters. We will be talking about that this week on recap kickback as well. So check out all of that and then tune in next week for more charm school. Uh, cause we will be back when class is back in session. All right, everybody. Peace.