Charm School Kickback LIVE - Episode 3 Recap

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[00:01:46] It's Sunday school again. Welcome back to Recap Kickback presents Flavor of Love Girls Charm School here on the Flavor of Love Kickback, now rebranded as the Charm School Kickback here on Recap.com. I am your host, Chappelle, and I am talking to you about every iteration of the Flavor of Love cinematic universe with my co-host who has never seen this universe before for the first time, Chantel Francis I am happy to be here.

[00:02:16] Thank you for having me. It's actually like the most fun because like the fact that I haven't seen any of these things, it's just so shocking to me and I just get to be delighted every week by the antics and these characters that I'm like, I'm starting to get attached to. I'm just kind of like, I don't want anybody to go home. Like, I know there has to be a winner, but like, I'm kind of falling in love with everybody in their own little ways. And so, I love the show. I love talking about it with you.

[00:02:43] I'm so happy that we have so much more to get through because every week is such a treat. So, tickle. Yeah, I totally agree. I don't know how else to say this, but I don't know how, if I could have foresaw this going or foreseen this going as well as it is. You know, some of us were there, you know, in the real time. We watched it and we have fond memories and maybe some altered brain chemistry from what the things that we saw back then.

[00:03:11] But when you and I came up with the idea to talk about this, I was like, oh, that'll be fun. But now that we're in the thick of it, I'm thinking, oh yeah, I can't think of anything better I'd be doing. And Chantel, I think it's been a year since we started talking about Pop the Balloon way back when. Yes, because we had our anniversary. It came up recently in like, I don't know, Facebook memories or whatever. And I was like, well, we've been doing this for a year. So, that's really awesome. I love that. And I'm like, we have many more years to come. We do, because we have many more things to talk about, including Charm School.

[00:03:40] And so, thank you all to the people in the chat watching this live. Thank you all for joining us. If you can't watch this live, no matter, watch it whenever you can. And then join the comment section, because I've been enjoying reading everybody's perspectives. As I've been mentioning, these episodes were really hard to find, but I have found them. And so, I'm going to start to include the links in the show notes. So, if you are watching it, you know, you know, you'll be able to find the link. If you are not, then also, if you're listening to this on your podcast feed, Spotify, you know,

[00:04:08] whatever your podcast catcher of choice is, you should be able to see that in the show notes as well. And so, not this episode, but from now on, I should be able to have all of those in the chat, I mean, in the comments for you or whatever. Yeah, in the show notes for you or whatever, so that you can follow along. Because I do want people to be able to watch along and enjoy this ride. As Chantel, you are experiencing this all for the very first time. I love this so much for you. I love it for me too.

[00:04:35] And I'm actually really, really jealous that I was not born in America. Like, especially because I have two siblings, younger siblings. So, that would be at the age that they would be on this show now. I'm like, I really missed out on so much not being American. Like, to be honest. Right? Like, I would have actually really have loved to be on this show. Right? Not be on, wait, on Charm School? I want to be on Charm School?

[00:05:03] But do you know what you have to do to be a contestant at Charm School? You got to go on Flavor of Love first. I don't know if I would have gone on Flavor of Love. Maybe I would have. Would I? I was more into Big Brother Survivor then. So, like, that would have probably been a show that I probably would have wanted to be on Big Brother. Because I would have seen season six and I'd have been like, I need to be friends with Janelle. You know? And so, maybe I wouldn't have been in that world. But if I was born in the States, I would have probably seen VH1.

[00:05:30] And, like, maybe want to be on season two of Flavor of Love. So, maybe I would have been on Charm School. Right? Because back then, I caught a bit of an attitude sometimes. So, I don't know. I was kind of a bad girl. I had a tongue. I had my words. My words. Okay. Well, we'll definitely explore more of that as we go on. Because I definitely want to know more. But I'm very happy to hear that you would have gone on Flavor of Love with the intention of being on Charm School.

[00:06:01] Well, I wouldn't have known Charm School was coming around in the vibe. But, like, I don't know if I would have been able to go and be making out with Flavor of Flav. I'm not sure where I would have been. But, like, I would hope that, like, maybe I would have given it a go. Well, I do have a question then. Okay. Charm School drops and then you hear rumblings of Flavor of Love season three. Do you immediately be like, I saw Charm School. I've seen enough. It's worth it. Let me go try it out for Flavor of Love season three. I might have.

[00:06:30] Or even now. Like, what if they do, like, Flavor of Love now? I don't know if there's a season three or not for real. But, like, you know, he's, like, been in our world recently. Dancing with the Stars, the Olympics. I think he was hosting something else recently as well. So he's in the atmosphere. Maybe they're going to pitch to him, you know, with New York having her resurgence in House of Villains. Maybe.

[00:06:58] Maybe 20 years later, Flavor of Love. Ken, has he found love? And can he find love? And I'd go on it! That's actually an amazing idea. Because you're right. He is in kind of a moment right now. Like you said, the Olympics. And we've seen Flav kind of, you know, just at the forefront of a lot of positivity these days. Rumored to be on the next season of Dancing with the Stars. So, yeah. I am. Honestly, I'm very excited about the prospect or whatever that could be. So, maybe.

[00:07:28] At least can we get, like, a Where Are They Now special? Where we, like, get it, Flav in a reunion with all the girls or something like that. The girls. All of them. All the girls. Both seasons. Both seasons. Yeah. Because some of these people are going to be very memorable and hard to leave out of any reunions. Chantel, we have to talk about the Big Titty Girl No-No in this episode. Now, Chantel, I've seen this episode title listed at least three different ways.

[00:07:56] I think I saw the episode guide on Google was Big Booby Girl No-No. Did y'all say titty? I don't know. And then I think on Amazon, I think it was, like, Big Chested Girl No-No. But the OG title, as uttered by Like Nat herself, Big Titty Girl No-No. I guess titty is not allowed to be written, like, on Google?

[00:08:26] Like, on the internet? How dare you say titty? Yeah, I don't know. That's crazy. I don't know. But we did speculate, okay, well, who's the Big Titty Girl that they're talking about last episode? And, you know, we've got a lot of breasts to choose from on this episode. Lots of breasts. I think the Big Titty No-No was regarding Haughty, right? Because she was wearing kind of like a tube dress and, like, her boobs were not symmetrical in the dress.

[00:08:55] And so I think that that's the Big Titty No-No. Yeah. And that's who you speculated, I believe. Correct. She has big boobs. But also, there's a Big Titty No-No could have been with the critique of Safari's bosoms that were kind of plentiful. And one of, like, the coaches were like, oh, you don't want to show everything. You don't want to give it all up.

[00:09:22] And so she kind of had, like, bountiful busts overflowing. And so maybe that's a Big Titty No-No. And Dara also has some Big Titties, too. Monique said it best. She said this is the biggest breasts I've ever seen in my life on these women. And go Monique for that. The commandment of this week's episode is thou shalt work what thou are working with. And basically, it's a personal style challenge.

[00:09:50] It's how do you take your personal style and then refine it a little bit? And so they don't really get punished for not having a personal style. They more want to, like, go in and almost, like, you know, tidy it up a little bit. You know, clean that up. And so, you know, I appreciated this approach. What about you? Well, I think that it would have been better if they told them to dress in your own personal style and dress to impress. Because you saw that a lot of people were like, what does it mean, dress to impress?

[00:10:19] Dress to impress who? Like, who am I dressing to impress? Like, where am I going? And so I think if they had a little bit more information being like, dress to impress, but in your own personal style, like, specifically, I think we might have seen some better outfits. Mm-hmm. I mean, I think it was Goldie, a.k.a. Courtney, who says they didn't really give them a lot of information. They gave them one hour to get dressed. So it could be the president. It could be Jay-Z.

[00:10:43] And then you have Hadi slash Shatar saying she can't decide on business couture or evening couture. Because, you know, Hadi has so many options. So many options. I mean, she's so ridiculous. She's great. I didn't love her dress, though. Like, it was like, you know, they were kind of going on, like, you know exactly what your personal style is all about. You know, like, they're really, really gassing her up. And I was like, I don't know. It just kind of looked like a cheap tube dress that she was wearing. It wasn't, to me, it wasn't anything special.

[00:11:13] Yeah. I think, I will say this. I think it's an improvement on what we saw from Flavor of Love. Do you remember Hadi with, like, the blue, like, I have to try to find a picture of it. Also, the thing is, like, it's just breasts. It's that one outfit that she wears that's literally just her breasts. It's like a blue, almost, like, bathing suit looking outfit.

[00:11:37] I have to find the actual image from the episode I'm thinking of. Oh, found it that quickly. But I do think that, yeah, it's, she, she's one who, Hadi knows how to play the game. You know, like, she knows not to come down there in her typical Hadi breast outfit, right? Right.

[00:12:02] So, I think this was her cleaning it up a little bit, even though, like you said, it didn't look spectacular. It just looked like she knew what not to do. But she also says, like, oh, like, wait until next year, they're going to be copying my style. I'm like, like, really? Like, what are they copying? Like, tube dress? Long, maxi tube dress with, like, blue flowers? Yeah. I mean, she looks okay. It was fine.

[00:12:30] But, like, it definitely wasn't, you know, the best thing I've ever seen. She might have been, maybe she was the best dressed throughout everybody there, though, to be honest. Yeah. Mr. Roy, but, and Chris pointing out that it's the blind date outfit, right? The blue thing that she was wearing in the blind date outfit. I really wish I could find it very quickly, but I don't want to derail the podcast or find it. I'll find it before we're done talking. We also have Sapphire who has some breast issues, as you know, as you pointed out.

[00:12:59] I mean, she says she knows she's working with some big ones, and it's one of her better assets. So, she's used to that. She also points out that it's really easy to look down on people who don't have a lot of personal style when they're poor. Because it very much is, a lot of times, a socioeconomic situation as well, right? Like, people who cannot afford nice outfits don't wear nice outfits. Or if they cannot make one, then they have to wear what's at their disposal.

[00:13:27] And a lot of times those things are very privileged for people, right? Like, I remember when I was growing up, right now, everybody knows. I keep a sneaker, you know, near me, okay? And I love a good sneaker. I have mouth jewelry as well that I wear often. When I was growing up, I didn't have any of that stuff. And I looked a little raggedy sometimes. Now, I feel like I have a lot more confidence in the way that I appear. Because I buy nicer things that are, you know, tailored to me a lot of times. Or that I can, you know, I have more options.

[00:13:56] And so, I think Survivor, in a weird way, is pointing out a really big deal here. Is that, like, yeah, if you give her this 50K, her style will turn up for the better. Or she'll buy, like, a lot of, like, not the super, like, anyway, it says it's about her. You know, it is definitely really true that, like, if you don't have access, then it's hard to even know that you don't have, like, you know, couture style or whatnot. Like, if that's not, like, the stores that you go to, the gifts that you've received growing up,

[00:14:26] the people around you, what they're wearing, you know, yeah, maybe, like, you're at school, you might see people wearing different things. But your friend group is likely going to be the same socioeconomic group as you are. And, like, if they don't see anything couture, then you probably won't even know that it really exists. So, no, I totally, totally get that. But you can still have good style. Yes. You don't have to be rich to have good style.

[00:14:53] And so it might not be something that she's necessarily interested in, but she doesn't look bad. She just doesn't look bad. Yeah. They bring up Becky, a.k.a. Buckwild, a.k.a. Rebecca Johnston, as she will go by in this episode, which caught me hella off guard. And they talk about her being an urbanista. Her fashion is very urban, Chantel Francis Are you surprised that Becky, the arbiter of urban wear here on Charm School?

[00:15:24] I mean, maybe she only hangs out with urban folk. You know, like, she could be the token white girl in a group of black people. Maybe. All the women there, Becky Johnston is our representative of urban fashion. She said she likes to wear bling and she doesn't dress like a slut. She dressed like a slot machine.

[00:15:53] I actually love that, though. I was like. At least she knows her personal style, okay? That and that damn fedora. Like, style is good. That's a good idea. Yeah. Like. At least you can put a name on it. Like, over the top. Like, tacky. Like, I think it's like, that's great. It's great. Yeah. She had the damn fedora on and they caught her right up. But then they also bring up Shatar.

[00:16:19] And the other girls are laughing because, as Light Dad points out, this is the big titty no-no. So, Sapphira says, one boob is by her chin and another down by her coochie. And it's not that bad. It wasn't that bad. They're just so, just exaggerate so much. I mean, I know it's for the bit and they're just asking probably questions in confessionals. But, like, tube dresses, strapless bras.

[00:16:46] Like, it's- and nobody's ever completely symmetrical, you know. But I guess they just need to say something. No. And Hati, you know, Shatar has a lot of boob to wrangle, you know. She's got the most in the house for sure. You think she has more than Safari? I think so. I think so. Because I think Hati is mostly boob. Like, mostly. Like, I think that's pretty much her. It's like her identifier.

[00:17:16] At least in season one of Flavor of Love, she was the boob lady. Then she was the gold digger. And then she was the chicken lady. But I think she was known for the boobs first. What'd she say that her measurements were? Ooh, I do- ooh, let me see if I can find it. You know, I just typed in the word Hati and the first thing that popped up was chest size. Yeah. I do want to know what size she wears. I mean, it's the title. Episode of the title.

[00:17:43] So, like, we're allowed to be inquiring about her boob size. We gotta talk about it. Because, you know, her other measurements were the ones that were in question. Remember? She was basically a brick house. Yeah. Yeah. But we'll have to- yeah, I think she had a 28-inch waist, if I'm not mistaken. But- Oh, and that was like the- sure. Is that what people were saying? I believe so. Okay. Okay.

[00:18:11] So, they go through this challenge and one person stands out, and not for really the best reasons. It's Crystal. She says, oh no, a style challenge. I'm going to try to turn down because I don't want all the attention on me. I've been getting too much feedback about, oh, you always want to be the most important person in the room. You always want to be the center of attention. This is my time to hide my shine a little bit more. What did you think about this strategy from Crystal?

[00:18:41] So, also, Daniel points out, 36DD is the Hottie measurements. Like, not to put it out there, but that's what I wear. That's fine. That's not crazy. I think it's actually bigger than that. She said, 34DD all natural. And I think Hottie might have been, like I said, she's not the most honest about her measurements in general. So, I don't even know if you could take that. I think so, too. Like, she's probably like an F. You know what I mean? Or maybe a G. Like, her boots are really big.

[00:19:11] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, Safari is probably a 36DD. Not, yeah, anyways. Yeah. But Crystal, what did you think about her crystal strategy here? She's saying, like, all right, I'm getting these notes about being the center of attention. Maybe I should turn down. I understand wanting to adhere to the judge's critiques and want to be improving and not wanting to rub them the wrong way by not listening. I get that. But you also want to follow the brief.

[00:19:40] Like, I know this is not specifically the brief. But, like, when they say, put your best foot forward. Dress to impress. When they start describing the fashion show that they want to have, they want to be like, put yourself in the best position for you to shine. Like, they're asking you to do that. And so, by you not doing that, you're actually not following their instructions. And so, it's kind of like that original challenge when they're doing the RME relay stuff. The optical force. Yeah. Right? Like, put your best team forward. Put your best foot forward.

[00:20:09] If they're asking you to do that, they're asking you to do that. They're not asking you to psychoanalyze what they actually really want you to do and how you want to come across. I was like, no, listen to what they say and execute. And so, yeah, I thought that I understand how she could be in fear of not doing what they're asking for. But she didn't listen. And she didn't give them what they wanted. Yeah, she didn't. So, yeah, we had a few ridiculous moments.

[00:20:35] Obviously, the Shatar, you know, boo by her chin, boo by her coochie comment. We also get Shatar making a comment about Safiri saying she reminds her of a refugee who escaped from a refugee camp and she feels sorry for her. So, these women don't really have a good opinion of each other's style. But they got to figure that out because luckily for Hottie, Chantel, the next challenge is all about couture. And we know that she was just trying to decide between her evening couture and her casual couture.

[00:21:05] So, this is her challenge to win. I mean, I don't know if they understand what couture is because if that was like day couture, like, no. Maybe she thinks it just is like a synonym for like fashion. But like couture is usually like they kind of were saying like a dream, a fantasy, like a little bit outside of normal, like a little bit of more of like a dream. Like it's not something that you could pick up off the rack.

[00:21:35] It's not ready to wear. And so, she got ready to wear items. Okay. Like, so no couture. So, I didn't expect her to have any couture. But I thought that she would probably do well. Kind of like her team captain said that like, do you know what? She always wants to win. So, let's have her on my team. Oh, yes. So, the two teams of five here have to come up with a couture look.

[00:22:00] They brought in a man named Tim, who is the stylist of the stars, including Monique. And Mickey as well will be here because she is the fashion editor for Essence, I believe, at the time. And so, between the two of them, they are going to be helping these women or leading these women into this competition where they have to have this runway look challenge. Each team of five will consist of two members on design and creation.

[00:22:27] One for makeup, one for hair, and one as a model. And then the 11th person, the last person out, will be the honorary judge at the fashion show and will be safe from expulsion from the academy. And so, everything in and out of the house is at their disposal. And they will be judged on their own personal contribution to the team. And so, at this point, I was very excited because I was like, oh, this is going to be a mess. Right? Because, as you said, couture is not ready to wear.

[00:22:56] They have to go custom make this stuff. And given that they can use anything inside and out of the house, I was hoping they got really creative. They kind of did. But not in the right way that I thought they were going to do. Well, how much time? Did they say how much time they had to get the dress together? That wasn't an hour. Other stuff was an hour, correct? Yeah. They had plenty of time because this challenge took two days because they wake up the next day and they do makeup. So, they had the entire rest of the day to come up with something.

[00:23:25] But first, they had to assign roles and assign teams. And the first thing that they wanted to talk about, Chantel, was who is going to be the judge? How do you think they went about this? And how would you have maybe tweaked it a little bit? I don't. Stuff like that is actually hard to do, especially when there's something on the line as great as not being eligible for elimination. So, it is hard when everybody wants that.

[00:23:53] They don't want to potentially go home. But I think what I would do, it'd be really diplomatic and probably more boring than this episode was, is I'd probably be like, okay, everybody choose. Like, I know who doesn't want to be like a judge? And they probably always say that they do. So, like, okay, everyone wants to be a judge. Let's see what your strengths are. And maybe we'll sit out the person that doesn't have any strength to contribute. Or like, if they feel like they're not going to be good in any certain way and would be

[00:24:21] holding back the team, maybe that person would be the judge. I'd probably put the weakest link, which would probably be who I would put on as the judge. Right. Meanwhile, I would be so happy to be the weakest link. Pick me. Please, let me sit down. I have nothing. I feel like I'd have to step up in some capacity. So, like, I would not be the judge. You're like, you're not going to be the judge? Yeah. No, I don't think so. Courtney Goldie also knew this was going to be some BS because everybody's going to want immunity and it gets heated very quickly.

[00:24:51] Larissa, aka Boots, says, I don't give a damn what y'all say. Everybody has to agree on this option. Shay wants to be the judge. And then Larissa says, I'm going to be a judge. Well, fuck it then. I'm a motherfucking judge too. Who else wants to be a judge? Me? Who's next? And so, very clearly, they cannot decide on who's going to be a judge. But Crystal says, first of all, I'm not the model. Now, we have a good comment here in the chat that said,

[00:25:19] I thought Crystal's strategy was smart to try to showcase the rest of her skill set. But since that's been their complaint for the past three episodes, what do you think? But the brief was, put your best foot forward, right? And so, like, if she is stronger in the role of model, I think that they would have rewarded her for stepping up in that role. Because they end up being on team leftovers, sort of. I think that they needed to have somebody to at least pull it together.

[00:25:46] Like, it's easier to drape on a model because they have, like, the physique that clothes just hang very well on a model. And so, I think that they would have had a better job competing with Lailene just because, aesthetically, they would look quite similar. And, like, it's couture. And so, couture is runway. And so, the judges are probably going to look what's familiar in a couture setting.

[00:26:12] And wouldn't necessarily want to think that that's outside of the box with somebody that doesn't look like a traditional couture model. So, like, I get it. I get it. But I do think that she should have listened to the brief and just be like, listen, I'm sorry. But I felt that this was the best way to support my team. Yeah. Lib Gal says it was a lose-lose for Crystal. I don't really agree that it's a lose-lose because I'm kind of leaning toward you on this one. The issue is not that Crystal is not a model this time.

[00:26:41] The issue is that Crystal is a model every other time. You don't need to be the model and the center of attention at the obstacle course. You don't need to be the model and the center of attention at the mixer. You know, this is your chance to be the model. So, it's like if they say, okay, we're about to go do a foot race and you're a track star, you're like, they only know me for track. I guess I'm not going to. No, no, no, no. Okay. Imagine crazy. Okay. Heather. Yeah. Like all the time. The singing competition. Yeah. And then there's a scene.

[00:27:09] You're like, okay, we want one person to sing and represent the team. Create a song. Yeah. Like, you know what? I've been singing too much. I've been saying that. Like, no, this is your time to actually use your gift or whatever. So. Yeah. Next week, I don't want to hear about modeling. I don't ever want to hear Crystal say it again. But this week, you got the free pass. We came up with this challenge. We knew you were here. You know what I'm saying? I think that you got to have. This was like a lob for her to get a win. Yeah. Yeah. And then. I don't want to win.

[00:27:38] And to your point, Crystal not being the model makes the job harder for everybody else. Because now they have to come up with a different person to be in that position. And like you said, Crystal's body is model ready. You know, she's a model. So, like, this is going to be the easiest person to dress because she knows she probably can make things that aren't so pretty look pretty. You know what I'm saying? Because that's her entire job. So, because she won't do this, that puts a lot of pressure on them to do everything else correctly.

[00:28:08] And they do everything else incorrectly. But the reason why this team is even formed is because strategic mastermind Safiree can tell that everybody's going to argue. And so, instead of trying to figure out who's going to be the judge, she says, let me just pick my team. And then I want to take the two best hairstylists and a comparable model and leave everybody else out. And so, she does.

[00:28:34] And she's like, that way, if they don't have a good model and they don't have a good hairstylist, they already hear Crystal saying she don't want to be a model. Oh, bet. Who are they going to get? Becky? Jennifer? Like, you know, you're not leaving them with a lot of options for the model at that point. Safiree basically hoarded all the resources and said, okay, y'all can have whatever's left over.

[00:28:55] And as a competitive person, if I were to see the other team and have Layleen, like, how they're just, even when she was coming out in, like, just a black dress. And, like, I'd just be like, okay, do you know what? I might need to step in at this just to, like, compete aesthetically. Just, like, you know, with Layleen. Because, like, she's already gorgeous. She has very lean, thin, model-esque body.

[00:29:18] Like, I would, as somebody on the other team competing here being like, okay, I think that I should maybe be the model in this situation. Or even, honestly, I would even say, yes, Safiree's playing chess. Exactly. They're too busy trying to, they're playing politics. And she's like, nah, I got a better game for y'all. We're just going to take everything from y'all. Y'all just got to use what y'all got left over. But I would even say that, let's say Crystal, let's say we take Crystal out of the equation.

[00:29:45] Because Crystal does tell us she went to design school, or fashion design school, right? She has a degree in that. Okay, cool. So she needs to be on the design team. Jennifer, what the hell are you doing? And, you know, not to flag up Jennifer's past traumas, but on Flavor of Love, she was known for being a porn star. That, look, if we can make stripper turn to model, we can work with porn star. And Toasty, Jennifer didn't do shit else the entire episode.

[00:30:13] I'd have been like, hey, girl, you small. Let's just wrap you in something real quick and call it a day. I really think they had other options, even if it wasn't going to be Crystal. A hundred percent. Now, I love Dara. I love her confidence. I agree with her. She has a beautiful body, even though she's a little bit bigger, as she said. Like, I think that for other potential competitions, she would have been a perfect option. But I think because it was couture, like, they're just going to be looking for something that looks couture.

[00:30:40] And so I think that Toasty would have been more of a resource here if she used her body where they could just, like, drape something a little bit more scantily clad on her and send her down the runway.

[00:31:23] Yeah. And so I think that to be a plus size model. It's going to take more of all of that, more resources to make this happen. And they really missed the mark here. And I want to flag up something Crystal says. She says, like, because they're going to be so much harder on me and they're going to point out that she's always trying to be at the forefront again. I think Crystal's almost missing the critique. It is not that you are always a model. So is it you make everything about you? And this is a team challenge. And you're like, here's what I'm not about to do. Yeah.

[00:31:52] She made it all about her again in the fact that she didn't want to stand up for her team. Yeah. So it's kind of in a weird way. Like, you should have been like, nah. As a leader, I decided that, yeah, it was me. I was going to take the fall. I'll be the model because I'm the best at modeling. And then if y'all are mad at me about that, then so be it. You know, I think at that point, you can't please these people. But I think if your role is like...

[00:32:42] And so I think that for me, that's kind of like, all right. I could see that she had an out. I just don't think she was willing to take it because she didn't want them to be hard on her. They didn't want her to be like, hey, you're a model. Why aren't you better? And I think that's what it was. Yeah, I think she was worried about not... About disappointing her in like her gift or whatever you want to call it. Disappointing the judges.

[00:33:06] So she's probably having a little bit of like imposter syndrome and all those doubts were coming in. They're waiting on me to... Yeah, they're waiting on me to do this so they can talk down on me on TV. You know, I would be worried about that too. Exactly. But also then shine. Like, I don't know. Yeah. Show off. Be amazing. Yeah. Zootaman, ex-Utaman, however you say this, is pointing out some really good comments in the chat. Is the model not able to work on anything else?

[00:33:35] She could have still been the leader and worked on design while being the model. That is true. She worked on design and she was technically the makeup person. But she was the lead seamstress for this challenge. So she should have. She should have been the model. On the other side, we have to talk about Sapphira's team. She says she's picking the best hairstylist and the best model. They're not going to have anybody else. So she picks Smiley as the model.

[00:34:00] She picks Shatar because you always need a shysty person on your team and she would do anything to win. And then when the... Isn't this the second time I think we've heard this this season about Hari? Didn't somebody pick her in the first episode for the same reason? Like, she will do anything to win. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What did they say? Yeah, I think they said that. She'll do anything to win. She will do anything to win. Is it because she wants that money? Hey, she blinks.

[00:34:30] You hear the cash register whenever she blinks? Exactly. I would love to have that in my real life. Because I believe in manifestation, right? I believe creating your own destiny and being able to attract what you want and desire in your life. And so if I heard that bling bling every time, I'd be like, money is coming. Money is falling to me. I am a magnet for... It would be good for mantras and manifestation. So I support that. I bet you, Hottie...

[00:34:59] Well, not necessarily that she wins. I don't know yet. But I'll put it in that direction. But I wouldn't be even surprised if she also married somebody wealthy and then also had, like, a career after this. Because that bling bling, I think it's, like, law of attraction. Yeah. She's got her eye on the prize. There is a little drama with the judge here, the guest judge who has immunity. It's Goldie. I'm so excited. You know, Kourtney's back. Goldie has a lot of sound bites in this episode for sure.

[00:35:27] But she is... She said she heard immunity and didn't say shit else after that. She wanted it and she got it. I think it's Safira who nominates her. And then, Shatar calls out that this might not be the fairest because Kourtney is best friends with Brooke Pumpkin. And so that's not fair. Are they besties? Did we know they're best friends? I think they're besties in the house. Right. In the house. Yes, for sure. But, like, really? I don't think outside of the house, but I think in the house, yeah. Because, I mean, they played the first season together.

[00:35:57] I can't think of... Oh, Toasty was there too? Toasty wasn't in season one. Toasty was in season two. Oh, she was in season two? Sorry. Yeah. I think the season one girls are outnumbered. Yeah, I think they're outnumbered. Layleen. Yeah, Layleen. Yeah. So, I think that's what that comes down to. I think it really... I mean, you've got to remember, Goldie and Toasty go to, what, the final four together? That's true. Yeah. That's true. Final three? Three? Final four. Final four. Yeah, final four. Toasty was out four or five.

[00:36:27] No, Goldie went out fourth. They went on the double dates. And then when she came back, because she's... Yeah. So, by the final three being Pumpkin, New York, and Hoops. Hoops. Oh, you know, Goldie was the fourth one. I thought you said Toasty, and then I got confused. Okay. But anyways, I get what you're saying. Yeah. So, they have the most lived experience together. I think they are... She's probably the closest person she is in the house. And so, while Shatar is calling out that this might not be fair, we get a soundbite from

[00:36:54] Brooke saying, shut the fuck up, you stupid bitch. It was so cutting from across the room. She hates Adi so much. She does not like that woman at all. Like, she... Yeah, she's bothered by her for sure. Well, did she... Has she done some sheisty stuff to Brooke? Yeah.

[00:37:19] I believe in season one, was it when the dresses were coming up missing? I think that that was a thing that happened in this season as well. So, you know, I think it was season one where she said, I would be willing to sabotage y'all. And then the sabotage happened and they were like, Hottie, it was you? And she's like, it wasn't me? They're like, yes, it was. Yeah, the jacket. Exactly. If nobody... I mean, that's the only other person in the house from season one that they could be close

[00:37:48] with is Hottie. And they are definitely... They are not. I am not the biggest pumpkin fan, but I'm sorry. Shut the fuck up, you stupid bitch. She was like, she was done with her. Done. And she meant it. Yeah. Yeah. She said it with some gusto. And to Daniel's point in the chat, yeah, she was like, Goldie is good with everybody. Courtney's friends with everybody in the house, but then tells us in confessional, that's really my girl.

[00:38:18] She got my back. I'm like, yeah, okay. Pumpkin is another one who will do whatever it takes to win. Absolutely. And she'll stick around a while, I think. I can't picture Pumpkin going out soon, especially because she was plugging it on the finale of season two. I feel like she must stick around for a while. Mm-hmm. So, Brooke, this is when we see Brooke's team all go and approach Crystal and be like, Crystal, girl, it's got to be you.

[00:38:48] You got to be the model. And she's like, no, I'm not. But I have a better idea. Yeah. Let's go with Dara as the model. That's going to impress Monique. Chantel, they are pandering to Monique right now. And this is just a bad idea. It's a bad idea because they're going to be using resources from around the house. Right? And whenever- Even if they have to go buy clothes, Chantel, it's not like they had great clothes for plus

[00:39:16] size women back in the early 2000s. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And so, like, what I liked about this challenge is it was kind of like Project Runway where you have to just, like, the unconventional challenge. And I was like, ooh, let's do some garbage bag couture. That'd be awesome. But it's easier to drape stuff like that on a really, like, rail-lean body because then everything looks good in couture. And unfortunately, if you have a little bit more curves, you have to be a little bit more selective in what you could use.

[00:39:45] And so, they decided to often use drapes. But drapes don't drape well on larger bodies. It just, it doesn't hang couture-like. It just ends up looking kind of frumpy, unfortunately. And so, like, they could have probably had the same design on crystal. And it would have looked a little bit more couture because that's what your mind is thinking of when you think of couture. It's like a, you know, pole. Bean pole. Yeah, basically. Yeah, basically.

[00:40:15] I think also, Monique around this time was known for her disdain for skinny women and her, like, big women empowerment. And so, they really thought, oh, we got her now, you know. Because Monique's whole mantra used to be skinny bitches is evil, you know. And I think her cookbook was like skinny bitches can't cook or something like that. Oh, no. It says never trust a skinny chef or something like that. Yeah, something like that, right. And so, they're like, oh, yeah, Monique's going to love this. We got the big girl. That's all it's going to take. Yes, she would have.

[00:40:45] But they didn't make her look good. Right. Nobody wants to see their, like, that counterpart. You know, like, this is what you think of me that I would just wear that? That's crazy. Yeah. Like, and to think it's couture and you'd send me down the runway like that? Like, if they're going to use a plus size model, obviously, like, I respect that angle. But then you also have to make her look good. And they didn't make her look good. Yeah. Yeah. But, like, that's up for it. Dara says, fuck it. She's great. I can walk.

[00:41:15] Yeah. She says, I can walk. And I have a nice figure, regardless of how big I am. And so, and I agree. So, I was like, okay, do your thing. Larissa on the other team is doing hair. Here, Shatar and Shay are the design team. Safiri is on makeup. And Layleen is the model. So, they have to search the house for materials. And Crystal says, oh, I can already tell. I'm going to have to do most of the work here.

[00:41:40] And so, I do think she works really hard on what they do land on. It just wasn't good. Layleen says she can tell that the team wants to accentuate her skin and her body. But she's trying to remove herself from the stripper, you know, mold. Now, Layleen, if this is a stripper challenge, I expect you to strip. You know, when we saw her in season one of Flavor of Love, when she's behind that partition and she's kind of using that. She looks good. We didn't know at that point that she was a stripper, right?

[00:42:10] Did we? I think we were finding out. Like, yeah, I think it was kind of, like, laced in there in that same episode. I don't think she looks good behind in that silhouette. Right. So, nobody complained. Do your thing. That's the time, right? This time, she at least acknowledges that I can't look like a stripper up there. But she says, I was thinking something more modest and, like, subtle sexy. And she comes out in this. Shatel, can you describe this for the people at home?

[00:42:41] Okay. Well, it's a black maxi bodycon dress. Velvet. It's always velvet. And it has a cutout from kind of, like, the upper neck all the way down, crossing the boobs, going to, kind of like making an S shape of a cutout. To show that she's not wearing any panties, likely. And then it's a slit all the way down.

[00:43:04] So, like, it's just, like, a big S cutout slit all the way down, held up by, like, a couple of strips of fabric. I mean, it's hot. It's hot. It's very sexy. But it's, like, kind of, like, porn awards sexy. Yeah. And it looks like it's real judgment. Sex work is real work, you know? But, yeah, it's kind of porn awards, I would say. Yeah. And it looks like it's held together by, like, little paperclips almost.

[00:43:31] Like, it doesn't look, you know, like, it looks like the wrong gust of wind might take this whole dress out. But she's like, yeah, something subtle like this. I'm like, ah, they leave. Yeah. Young Chappelle was in love. You're just like, oh, my God. Did you buy that dress for, like, your girl? I don't know if I would date somebody who's wearing that dress out in public. Like, where are we going in that? Where are you going? Where are you going? I don't know. I don't know. Layleen, do you wear this all the time?

[00:44:00] Where do you think she's going in that dress? A cruise with a very rich man. A cruise? Oh, is that, like, cruise attire? No, I've been on cruises. Sometimes you see older gentlemen with younger women dress kind of similar. And I'm thinking, oh, okay. Companion for the week, I would say. It's probably what I would assume her job was. Okay, okay. So in alignment with porn awards, I guess. Something like that. Yeah. I love the chat. Chat saying, very demure, very modest, generous.

[00:44:30] This definition is, as Daniel points out, held together by key chains. Shout out to Minos. So, yeah. So, yeah. Shay says, yeah, her cousin has a dress like this, too. She's a stripper. She wears this when she's stripping. Okay. So, Becky is actually very happy that Crystal is able to take charge here because they need a leader. They're trying to find something free-flowing that fits Dara's body type. And it becomes, it comes down the curtains. They basically land on that.

[00:45:00] And they start stealing stuff off the wall, which Becky actually really likes to do. She says she's a little bit of a kleptomaniac. I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised. Do you think that that's what she went to jail for? Absolutely. And she looks like a thief. She looks like a thief. Do you think she'd steal from her friends? Or do you think she only steals from, like, big corporations or whatever? Oh, and cultures as well. I think she's, I don't, I don't. I don't want to, listen. I'm not, I'm not shaming this lady, okay? We all got a past.

[00:45:30] I'm just saying. She be borrowing things from people. She won't give it back. She's not giving it back. It's her style, urbanista. And there's a point where Dara even asked Crystal for advice. And she says, nah, girl, you got it. You already got it all figured out. Crystal. Crystal. You are a model.

[00:46:00] At least tell the woman how to model better. Like that is not a model. She's never, she says, I can walk. But she's probably never been on a runway in drapes. Drapes. That's hard. Drapes is hard. I don't, yeah. Crystal really made a big miscalculation in this whole, how she, like, being behind the scenes is not what they were asking her to. Like, sorry.

[00:46:28] Like hiding is not what they were asking her to do. And, you know, if somebody on your team is saying, like, can you help me with your expertise? She should help her. At least help her. At least help her. If you think you're going to win. Right. Right. Where is, where is Toasty at this point? Chantel. Where's Jennifer? Sleeping? Bucky. I mean, Bucky. Becky says, Jennifer is sitting on her flat ass and not helping.

[00:46:57] Wait, who's someone else said? Oh, it was Courtney said another one. Was that later? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm sure you wrote that one down. Because that one. I think so. Yeah. I think so. She, oh, no, that was Dara. And yeah, I got that quote. Oh. It was Dara? Okay. Oh, yeah. It was. Yeah. She was, she went out on a smoke break. The other group, though. Yeah. The other group lands on the pattern. I love about the early 2000s.

[00:47:25] I might have mentioned before, but I just love how everybody smokes. Because, like, I was, like, one of those, like, I smoke. I'm smoking. Like, I still like having a ciggy every once in a while. But, like, I loved smoking back then. And just, like. Like. Yeah. You're just, like, got to smoke. I'm 23 and I'm just, you know, smoke. I'm so cool. They're so good. They're so cool. Yeah. So cool. I loved it. And then even though when Becky went out to see Toasty, like, she has a cigarette too. And I was, like, I love this house smoking.

[00:47:54] And that's why New York probably still smokes now. You know what I mean? Probably. Because, like, it's just, like, part of, like, our youth. Yeah. Meanwhile, when I smoke, I'm, like, ducked off into a corner hoping not to get arrested. So, anyway. Like. It's not legal everywhere. So, anyway. I'm in Canada. It's legal everywhere here, right? Like, whew, man. Anyway. You wishing you were born here and me like, man, what if I was born there? No, I'm joking.

[00:48:22] So, the other group lands on a very interesting pattern is orange and gold. And Shatard describes this as a giraffe. Not wrong. Not wrong. To me, they try to figure out a way to kind of make it make sense. And I think they eventually do. But I'm not even quite sure they knew what their vision was. But we'll get to that in just a second.

[00:48:48] I liked Courtney going around like Tim Gunn from Project Runway and kind of just checking each to workstations. What do you think about Goldie in this role? I think Goldie actually was probably the perfect person for this role. Just because even though she has friends, she's still honest. Right? I don't think that she would necessarily just make her friends win. I think that she'd still be like a good judge. She's also funny.

[00:49:15] And I think that she, out of everybody there, was probably the best person for this role. So, they did well. Yeah. Shatard spies on the other team. And because she knows Crystal is a model. And she went to design school. So, she might have some insight into Kultura and some like, you know, tips. Okay? Because Hottie always scheming. And she caught a glimpse of Dara and just laughs with glee. Basically, just falls out. She runs back.

[00:49:43] She tells Safiri and Larissa what's going on. So, they're like, we ain't doing nothing else. We can go spy too. And Larissa says she looks like a big ass tamale. It's so unfortunate because like, I really like Dara. And I hate that they're making fun of her in this way. When it could have kind of been prevented if Crystal just had stepped up. And so, yeah. I mean, I didn't love that they were kind of body shaming her. But like, I understand in terms of the challenge.

[00:50:15] Like, it makes sense of it. But yeah, it kind of sucked. Also, this is the thing that pissed me off about Crystal the most. This is the one thing I would say is unforgivable. Her eyebrows? She heard them laughing. No. She heard them laughing and talking shit about how bad Dara looked. And she did not step in. She sat there drinking that beer. Like, fuck it. We in it now.

[00:50:43] And I'm like, you could throw something together. I think at one point, Buck Wilde, Becky says, we'd be better off sending out somebody out there naked in what we're doing to Dara right now. You could throw something together right now. Fuck it. I can't go out like this. Like, you went to design school. I wouldn't even want this connected with me. Maybe I take your degree back. Maybe. Give it here. It's crazy, though, because I would have loved.

[00:51:11] That would have been actually the best moment, right? And like, she could have been able to speak on it, like, to the judges being like, listen, I've been really taking your critique seriously. And I wanted to take a step back. But I really felt that I was going to be able to help out my team. And so instead of using Dara, we decided to use me in this role. And I thought that I don't know, whatever. I thought I'd be a better asset. And like, if she did that, even like, it was never too late, right? She could have been, if I allow her to just be like, I think it might be a better idea

[00:51:41] if I step in. Just so we, like, at least are similar to what Layleen looks like over there. And like, make these drapes look a little bit more couture. I think that Dara would have been fine with it. As opposed to being like, heckled by the other team. And then even the judges weren't super kind to her, you know? Yeah, I think to save Dara from like, just being like, heckled. It was, she should have just stepped in. She should have stepped in. She's a bad character, I guess.

[00:52:09] She, she, I think she's a little, she's a little self-absorbed. She was so intent on not getting eliminated that she was just like, no, I'm, I'm fine with Dara looking a fool. And it's like. She'll, she'll go home. Right. But yeah, like, I won't take the blame for it. They, you know, and we'll see more of that later on. Look, I don't mind self-interested, but you have to understand when it's time to pull the trigger, right? And I think this was her chance to really be like, she could have even said that. Hey, we had Dara looking a fool. I stepped in. I had to, because I couldn't let us go out like that.

[00:52:39] You know, at least make the problem and then come in as the hero, kind of like your president, right? Like, like it would be such a good way to kind of make her look even better being like, I thought that this was the way to go, but like now I'm going to be the hero and I'm going to save our team and we're going to win, win, win. And yeah, she, she definitely didn't play this round well. Right. And it's probably because Becky and Jennifer are so convinced that they're going to win

[00:53:07] anyway, because Goldie is the judge and she's going to look out for, she's going to look out for Becky and she's going to look out for Brooke because she knows them. So, you know, she's like, oh no, this is going to, this is going to be perfect for them. The next day, the other team is up early working and Jennifer is in bed sleep. Keith comes around with Goldie and tries to get a theme for these looks. Okay. Shatar says they're going for a Japanese garden and Shay says they're going with a

[00:53:37] Korean Chinese elegance. And that's when I said, y'all don't know what the hell y'all talking about. How are you a Japanese garden with Korean Chinese elegance? Like baby Asia is a continent. These are not all the same culture. Yeah. Maybe they just wanted like to be able to whatever it ended up looking like, they just be like, oh, I drew from this, I drew from this, I drew from this, but they should have maybe not said any of that because like, then you're not being like, oh, that's not that. And that's not that.

[00:54:05] If they didn't say anything at all and maybe said a different word completely, uh, maybe then you wouldn't be critiquing them so harshly. I think they looked at Smiley and said, girl, you Asian, right? Oh, okay. That'll work. What is her background? Is she like, is she mixed? Is she half Asian? She is Asian, but I don't know like what her complete background is. Um, like, I don't know what her, you know, like if she's like mixed with anything. Um, but yeah, she's, uh, I do know that she's, uh, Asian at least to some extent.

[00:54:35] I think they mentioned it in season one. She's from the Filipino, I believe if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. I believe her grandfather was, uh, was like a farm owner or something like that in the Philippines. Um, yeah. You didn't do more research on her as a child? Did you have, uh, I mean as a child, yes, but 25 years later, not posters. Oh, stripping on my wall. You want my mama on my, my mama would be crazy. Like why you had a stripper on my, on my wall? No. I think. Your time though.

[00:55:04] Did you have those like magazines with all like, where you like actually did put pictures of like, no, no, I wasn't. I've never been a decorator. Like if you notice, I think when we first started podcasting, I was podcasting in front of a beige wall. There was nothing behind me. Uh, now there is this one picture. Like that is all I'm not, uh, there's nothing on my desk. This is not my style. Um, yeah, no, that's not really me. Uh, but yeah, I, I believe she's Filipina. Uh, if I'm not mistaken.

[00:55:33] Um, so they also go to the other team and Jennifer is not contributing at all. Uh, Becky says that the theme is freedom and free flowing and free spirit. And, um, yeah, this, this is going nowhere. Not good. Not good. Uh, I don't know what they could have done to make this better. If they, maybe if they went avant-garde couture. And so they made more of like an art piece.

[00:56:03] Um, I think that was an option. Yeah. Like they could have done that. Yeah. Well, no, I think even when they were given the challenge and they were like couture, they were like couture is a fantasy, you know, and stuff that you can't get. I was like fantasy. Go big. Yeah. At that point, like if you're not going to have a traditional model physique, then do something a little bit completely outside of the box and like do, I don't know what specifically,

[00:56:30] but like make it something completely different and like a wow factor, um, instead of them comparing her, them to, to Layleen. The biggest issue here is that, uh, Dara was going to wear a girdle, but the dress will not fit on the girdle. She cannot wear the girdle with the dress. Cause I think you'll be able to see the girdle through the dress. Um, and so they now have to tape her into this outfit. And I just want y'all to take a look at what they mean by tape her in that.

[00:57:01] You know what? They're onto something. Cause now you can buy these types of taping things. So, you know, they probably, hopefully one of them started a line like, you know, the woman from that started Spanx, she made like a billion, she's the first, uh, self-made female billionaire, I believe. And so maybe, maybe one of them, whoever did the most of the taping, maybe they're going to be a billionaire soon because they, they started something.

[00:57:27] If you have to tape this woman like this to get her into some drapes, this is not the idea that you need to have. This is not good. Y'all it's not good. Poor Dara, poor Dara. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. She's such a trooper. She's such a trooper. She a thug. She, yeah. Cause I would've like, fuck yeah. I'd have walked out. I'd be like, why am I doing this? Like, I'd be like, Crystal, you do this. Like, why are you, why am I doing this when you do this for a job? Yep.

[00:57:57] But Crystal says, I would have shamed her into doing it. Mm. Um, so Fyra says the dress, uh, that they end up making ends up looking like a 2027 kimono. Uh, and, um, I'm glad you mentioned it. Cause next year is 2027. Right. I was thinking of like, yeah, I don't know about next year. Maybe 2007. Like. Yeah. 2027 kimono. Yeah. So as you already pointed out, this is our project runway type challenge.

[00:58:24] Uh, they have a runway show and, um, each of them comes out and introduces their, their product here. We get Shatar as the speaker because who can be as like Shatar? She says the outfit is inspired by an entire continent and presents the lights of the garden. And Chantel, we get the presentation of Layleen. What did you think of Layleen in couture? I thought she looked great.

[00:58:53] Like if you looked up close, obviously it looked, didn't look well made or anything like that. But because she has the physique where it just like hangs very well, it looked, it did look couture. I thought she looked very elegant. I thought no matter what, like they were going to be winning. Like, cause from what we saw at the beginning stages of the other team's dress, I was like this, when they're talking about like the, it looks like koi fish. I'm like, yeah, it does. It does.

[00:59:21] They finally landed on the Asian thing they were looking for. It's koi fish. Yes. I thought, I thought it looked great. I really liked the print. With some tweaks, like it would be something that people would purchase. So I liked it a lot. Yeah. Stay tuned to our Project Runway podcast coming soon. I'm joking. I love Project Runway. I used to, but it was still all the judges that I like.

[00:59:45] So this is bad because they do so well that the other team is stunned. They have nothing. They can't speak. Cause they know they're about to see Andara out there looking a fool. Cause Layleen, she ate the crowd up. You know, like her whole team. She doesn't seem like she's the most friendly with all of them, but they were loving her. You know, work bitch. You gotta work it. They were, they were loving it. I would have been too. I'd been like, phew, happy.

[01:00:14] Well, she definitely chose like the better team, Safari. Now, did she not want to choose Crystal or did she? How did she like Crystal? Okay. Yeah. Okay. Well, that, that and Crystal saying she wants to be the, she doesn't want to be the model. She already said that. That's what it's kind of. Yeah. She already said she didn't want to be the model. Like, okay, you don't want to be the model. I'll choose the other model-esque person. Right. And then that way you can be like, I love y'all Crystal. You know, like, it's not like I took everybody.

[01:00:44] Yeah. Becky comes out and she says, my name is Rebecca Johnston and I present to you walking on air, a couture affair. Cause she's code switching again. Look at her. Now, Becky might've been like, okay. If we'd had this on, on Crystal, I think it might've been able to work. Cause you just need a little bit of height and like the length, because I don't mind these,

[01:01:13] these glasses, the lashes of these feathers. Like I don't mind this. I don't mind this kind of Grecian kind of look of the drapery, but just because she's a little bit seemingly shorter and obviously a little bit more like plus size, like it just is not hanging that well. But I don't think that the idea is terrible. It just, it's just not working with this model. Yes. And I think this is a terrible idea because they knew who the model was.

[01:01:41] It's not like they had the dress and had to figure out who to put it on. They had the person and said, let's go and find all the drapes in the house and put them on like that. Um, cause if this is Crystal, you could use half the fabric. You could happily show off Crystal's legs. Like you did Layleen. You can happily show off her back. Like they try to do with like that, but they only show off the top. You go, you could, you know, you, the, the, even the breast part, right? Like Crystal basically is half naked.

[01:02:11] Every time we see her, uh, in, in any seat, like in any episode of television, she's just kind of just like, that's just her. She knows she got a good body. Right. Um, remember when we had the first episode, when they got their uniforms and she was the one who was like, I'm buttoning the top and I lean it over that this, you could, she could have freaked this and she just let like that come out here and looking like this. They put feathers on this woman's shoes because I guess that's walking on air. Their hair extensions in the dress as well.

[01:02:40] Crystal said, I'm from Atlanta. We do ghetto shit like that sometimes. Um, this was just bad. Like that couldn't do nothing with this. If she tried. Yes. It does. It doesn't work for like that, but it's, it would have, it would have worked better for Crystal. Yep. And, um, yeah, this was crazy. This was crazy. Um, so needless to say, people are not impressed by Dara and her drapes. They say she looks like roadkill.

[01:03:09] They say the dress is tasteless and they could see her roles. Jennifer says that, um, it was Crystal's idea and it looked like a bunch of sausages stuffed into a bag. Um, they, they asked Jennifer on the runway and said, Jennifer, what did you bring to the table? Um, and she doesn't even answer the question. And Dara said, maybe if she put her fingers out of her damn pussy and put them in her ears,

[01:03:36] she can let that wax out so she can, uh, get the earwax out and she can hear sometime. Okay. I guess it was Dara. I thought it was, was Courtney, but like, I was like, get her fingers out of her pussy. Whoa. Well, I mean, back to that photo from, uh, flavor of love season two. I know. I know. I was just like, I just shocked to hear someone say it.

[01:04:04] We're all thinking with no, with no censor Dara don't give a damn. You, I think in episode one, you said like that might've been the best casting choice. And honestly, through four episodes, I'm with, I mean, three episodes, I'm with you. She is so good. She is so good. Um, she's definitely, she's definitely, uh, well, I mean, I love the whole cast, but I love Dara. Yeah. No, she's so good. Um, Keith says, I think y'all were pandering to Monique. He said, manipulate, manipulating, but that's what I went with pandering, um, because she looks out for the big women.

[01:04:33] She's a big woman herself. And Monique says, yeah, if you were going to pick Dara, you, she should have been amazing. But what irritates her is that crystal did not step up to be the model. And they said, did any of you ladies speak up and say that crystal should be the model and everybody raised their hand and said, crystal, uh, and her choice might've put the whole team in jeopardy, but she didn't want to be seen in the front again. And, um, the dress they said for like that was fine. But she wore a bad dress exceptionally well is what they gave her. So not great.

[01:05:03] Agreed. I guess. Yeah. Um, so the judges have to deliberate, but we find out there's only one judge who has to deliberate. It's Courtney. Courtney gets to make the sole decision by herself. Chantel, what did you think about this as a twist? Um, well, yeah, I guess it's, you know, she has a bunch of friends on what I would say would be the losing team. I think it's a great choice, um, to put her in that sticky situation.

[01:05:32] We love people having to make hard decisions publicly. Um, so I loved it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh no, it's Fonzo said they played in Dara's face. I'd have been bawling my eyes out. You know, especially watching the episode back. I probably been like, damn, I really took that L for y'all. You know, that y'all really had me up there looking a fool and then talk shit about me behind my back. You know, I really, yeah, I didn't love that. Um, but this other comment says that was the strategy element of the show too.

[01:06:01] But in Courtney in this position, she definitely could have, you know, chosen the team that she's friends with when they made her the only judge as the plot test. And that took me by surprise. I like it because I think if it's anybody else, they might've used strategy there, but I think, or I'm sorry, if the outcome was anything else, they might've used strategy there. But I think with it being so obvious, so obvious that there was a disparity here, I can't even like, you know, um, it's like, well, you're trying to throw a challenge and the other team is doing so bad.

[01:06:30] You're like, I got, I got, I guess you're making us look crazy at this point. She would've looked the fool and Sapphire said she would have had to watch her back. So, uh, not the worst decision for, uh, Goldie to pick Sapphire's team. Um, afterwards, Crystal is distraught because she might go home. And so she decides to go to Monique and just share her point of view, AKA throw her entire team under the bus. Look at this. Look, Crystal's up there singing like a canary.

[01:06:59] Honestly though, didn't she just see how that just backfired the previous round? Like I would not be doing that at all. And like the fact that she didn't step up, her team didn't do well in the end. Now she's going to not take any credit for the design of the dress, even though you had a hand literally in it. Yeah. Um, I don't know. I think it's, I think it's all coming down to bad character. Crystal. Right.

[01:07:29] It's like, what are you learning from this process? If anything, Crystal, we keep telling you that it's not about you. And your first thought was, no, I need to save myself. No, don't get me wrong. I, you know, it's a, it's a competition for $50,000. Save yourself. Right. I get that. But I think to me, this is more damaging than anything. Right. Like this makes it look like you're not learning any of the lessons that we're trying to teach you. That you're not a team player. Right. That like you don't support your team. Like unless you come out on top, you're going to make sure that you throw somebody else under the bus.

[01:07:59] Like if she came into Monique and was, was like, I really am sorry that I let my team down. I was really worried about myself and about like how you guys are perceiving me that I didn't want to step up in this role as a model. And I realized that I should have put that aside and did it for my team. So I'm really, really sorry, but everybody worked really, really hard. And I'm so sorry that like, I let them down. I think that they would have better received that. Yeah. This was crazy.

[01:08:27] You blame them on the girls. I didn't do nothing. Like I tried, but I didn't do anything like, oh, and then tell people after, right? And then, and then she had the nerve to go and tell people that she did this. She tells Brooke of all people, I would say Brooke is the least trustworthy person in that house by far. Just with people on her team is from her first season. Right. Right.

[01:08:55] Also, Brooke is just not trustworthy. Like, did you watch flavor of love? She just doesn't seem like a type of person that I would want to tell my business to. It's like when crazy was walking around telling New York stuff. We were like, girl, what are you doing? So here, Crystal goes and tells Brooke what happened. Brooke's like, oh, that's crazy. You said that. She's like, yeah, I told her. And then like, it wasn't on me. And so, of course, Brooke runs that to the rest of the group.

[01:09:24] And that gets back to like that. And then like that goes to tell Becky. And I love the way she handles this. She goes, you know, you know, I don't like to gossip, but I'm just letting you know that Crystal went in the room and talked to Mo. I was like, hey. So, yeah. Next to Heidi, Brooke is the biggest shitstirer easily. Right. So, yeah. And if there was a vote, Crystal, your ass is out of here. They would have voted you out immediately because you left your team high and dry.

[01:09:54] Mm-hmm. Like, she's lucky that Tosi did absolutely nothing because I was kind of like, I think you should go, Crystal, because like you didn't show good, charming character this round at all. Yeah. The bottle three here is Becky, who gets called first. And she wasn't shocked because she knew Crystal threw her under the bus. Jennifer was shocked because she literally didn't contribute anything to the dress. Tosi's crazy.

[01:10:22] Like, she did absolutely nothing. And she's like, what? Like, you're on the losing team and you did nothing to make the team win. Okay. So, I think I see where she's come from. I definitely agree with you. But I see where she's come from. She thought, well, I didn't make the dress. Yeah. If you're going to be mad at the people who made the dress, be mad at the people who made the dress. It wasn't me. I'm like, Tosi, come on, girl. Wake up. Wake up. Well, she was sleeping for most of it, though. So, maybe.

[01:10:52] She's so indignant about being in the bottom. I'm like, what did you do, Tosi? Tosi, why would you not be in the bottom? There's even a point where Monique asked her, Tosi, tell me why Crystal should go home. And Jennifer is like, well, in the first challenge, I was good at the obstacle course. And then I was also good at the other things. And I was also, Tosi, tell me why Crystal should go home.

[01:11:21] Tosi should have said, Crystal obviously should have been the model. It made no sense. Because Crystal wasn't the model, we all had to pivot to things that we're not good at. I wasn't able to contribute in the way that I wanted to because Crystal took my spot as the makeup artist. I should have been the makeup artist. But Crystal was the leader. We thought this model who went to design school could help us and she could not. Throw her. Monique is saying, fight back, Tosi. Yeah. The fact that Tosi didn't even say it. Like, did she not hear the question?

[01:11:50] Like, what happened? Hello, Tosi? Are you tipsy? Like, what's going on here? Like, nothing to do with the question whatsoever. Definitely push Crystal under the bus because at that point it's between you and her. And, like, Crystal's willing to push you under the bus. So you should be willing to do the same. Yeah. It would have been between them and Buck Wilde, but Buck Wilde got sent back up. Because she had no issue throwing them under the bus.

[01:12:20] She said, I let myself be fooled by Crystal. She says her fake confidence. And it led me astray. I went against my better judgment. And I wasn't confident enough to fight back. And that's on me. And so they said, all right, Becky, you're good. So Crystal then throws Jen under the bus because that's what Crystal does. She says she didn't contribute. I worked really, really hard on the mess that we did do. She didn't work hard at all. And I give her that. Crystal did work hard. She did.

[01:12:49] She was the one taping like that in there. She, you know, this was her concept. She was the only seamstress. She did attempt. Tosi didn't do shit. Tosi did nothing. She slept. You can't sleep and then complain about the project. Like, how well you did, right? If you're not going to contribute, you can't have a say in how things go down. Like, and you could also can't complain if you get the bottom three for this.

[01:13:16] It's kind of like at the airline that I work for, like people are always complaining about all these things, but then they don't vote. And they were like, if you're voting like for change or whatever, then you can't say anything. Like if you didn't do this, this, and this, then you have no say. I don't care what you have to say. So she's not participating. So she has no voice here. Absolutely. And she has some final words for Crystal.

[01:13:42] She says, Crystal is a selfish bitch who doesn't deserve anyone because she ratted out her friend. And Brooke says, I can't trust Crystal moving forward because she clearly will do anything it takes. And so we end the episode losing Jennifer, a.k.a. Toasty, as our next exposed contestant here from the house. What you think about Toasty's run here? I was kind of surprised that it was her considering she, like, like you said, she, she ain't really been doing much. Yeah, she was kind of shocked that she was gone from the show.

[01:14:12] I was like, why? Like, you do have to contribute something to stay on a show, right? Whether it's like she's not that animated in commercial, in confessionals. She doesn't do that well in challenges. Like, she doesn't really stand out that much at this point. It could be because she's not drinking as much. I don't know. She's not, she doesn't do that much. So I'm, I'm fine with her going this time around over, over Crystal because she wasn't really bringing a lot. Nope.

[01:14:41] So we say goodbye to Toasty here as we wrap up this episode. Bye-bye Toasty, a.k.a. Jen. And, Chantel, one last thing. We were told by one of the comments, I can't remember who it was, it said, we need to watch the episode or at least the clip of the Tyra Banks show where she brought on the cast of Flavor of Love Season 2. Do you have the clip? Let me see. I don't have the clip, but I think it could be our homework. Okay, maybe.

[01:15:11] I definitely would have watched this. Yeah. Because I watched all of Top Model. Mm-hmm. I remember I was living in Montreal. And you watched the Tyra Banks show. Yeah. Oh, the Tyra Banks show. The Tyra Banks show. Oh, I don't know if I've seen all of those then. Yes. That was like. So on, on the Tyra show, they did a full episode dedicated to Flavor of Flav and Flavor of Love Season 2. And so at the end of this season, I think we have to talk about it. That episode.

[01:15:41] Okay. That episode. Yeah. I have the, I have the link. So. The link. The link. The link of the full Tyra show episode of Flavor of Love, Flavor of Love 2 crossover. We got so much extra homework we just created for ourselves on this show and I love it. I don't mind. I don't mind. Like, I'll watch all these things. Yeah. There's so many shows that people are like, you got to watch this. You got to watch this. And like, I'm like, I can't get through what's it called? Pluribus. I'm like, episode one didn't bring me in. I'm not watching it. Like, if you're like, you have to. It's so good.

[01:16:10] I'm like, no, like, I want to watch this. I want to watch Charm School. I want to watch, you know, Flavor of Love on the Tyra Banks show. I don't want to watch Pluribus. Yeah. Well, Chantel, that's it for Charm School episode three. We'll be back next week live to talk about, talk about episode four. What are you, what's your temperature on this season so far? Like, the comparisons have been that Charm School might be better than Flavor of Love. What are you thinking?

[01:16:38] I'm thinking yes, but it's probably because I know everybody, right? So there's like, the first few episodes, you're starting to learn people's names. Even though I'm learning their real names still. But like, you know, you're learning their names and their personalities, who they are, how they're interacting. And so it doesn't get into like episode four or five where you start either liking or connecting with certain people. And so I love the jumping right into knowing what these people are all about.

[01:17:05] And then just seeing how they interact together within this new TV show format. So I'm liking it better because I know everybody already. I just, it's very fun for me. And I was like, ooh, that means it could be a season two because there's like so many other girls that like I haven't seen on this show yet. And so I'm hoping that this is season two because I like the format and I love seeing all these girls again. All right. And the last question we have from the chat. Who's winning, Chantel?

[01:17:34] Who do you think is going to win this season of Charm School? You get one yes. Charm School. Yeah. Who's winning Charm School? Charm School. I think it's going to be hottie. Somewhere mascot is crying. We're all fist bumping. The crowd goes wild. We got one, y'all. A hottie truther. Oh, my God. I can see it, though.

[01:18:03] She wants it so badly. And like everybody makes it kind of easy for her. So, you know, she's able to put on the shtick. The judges buy it. The girls hate it. But like they can't stop her. So. Unstoppable. Her power. Hottie Ginsley. Look, when she dodged the cooking challenge, I said, oh, my God, I think she might be able to pull this one off. That would have been the kryptonite. You know, like if anything was going to stop hottie in that.

[01:18:34] Yeah. So the next episode is called Mass Debaters. And we will be next week to talk about that. Chantel, tell everybody where they can find you in the meantime. Find me on Instagram at ChanfordFran or at Reality Realism with 3 S's or on YouTube, Reality TV, Reality Realism with 3 S's. Talking about Survivor 50. Soon to be talking about Love Island Season 8. Like that's coming up kind of soon.

[01:18:59] And if they do release The Bachelorette with Taylor Frankie Paul, I will be doing some sort of coverage for that as well because that's a train wreck. And I may need to talk about it. We do love a good train wreck. Yeah. So that's where you can find me. Also, I will be in New York tomorrow. And also like Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday for the RJP Live show. So come and say hello this week if you're there. Okay.

[01:19:29] Oh, one more question. Chantel, who is the biggest snub? Who should be here from Flavor of Love or two that's not here? I think we talked about this in episode one. I don't remember now. Who are you missing? Who did I say? There was someone that I said that I wanted to be there. I can't remember right now. There's so many good people that I'm like, could you just like name everybody? Oh, Nibbles. Do you miss Nibbles? Nibbles could have been there for sure. Nibbles could have been here. Nibbles could have been here for sure. Nibbles could have been there.

[01:19:58] I can't think of anybody right now. Who else did I say? Tell me the list. You know, I could probably do a bad memory. Sorry, like the list of the cast, which is actually crazy to think about. What about Beautiful? No, you didn't care too much about Beautiful. Not season two. I think we got all the heavy hitters from season two. I think we got like the final seven or something like that from season two. And Safari. And Safari. Oh, something that took a dog on the stairs.

[01:20:27] Yeah, something with somebody that I would think that might need a little bit of reforming. Yeah. What about Red Oyster? Oyster. Oh, yeah. I mean, I don't know if she'd fit in with this cast, but like I definitely thought that maybe she could be on Charm School, but maybe she's season two, right? Yeah. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. The chat saying Oyster is a good call. All right. Red Oyster is something. Yeah. Yeah. So that's it. That's it, y'all. That is our Charm School Sunday School episode here on Recap Kickback. This has been so much fun.

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