Charm School Kickback LIVE - Episode 4 Recap

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[00:01:44] And welcome back again to Recap Kickback presents the Charm School Kickback live here on YouTube and on RecapKickback.com. It's me, your host Chappelle, and I'm back again to talk about another episode of this wacky flavor of love cinematic universe, episode four of Charm School, Mass Debaters. And with me on her first journey through the foray of Charm School, it is Chantel Francis. Welcome back. Obviously, I'm so thrilled to be here.

[00:02:13] I'm like, I was going to be like, are we going live soon? Like, are we going to do this? Because like, I love it so much. Like, you know, sometimes when you're watching a show and it just becomes like a little bit of a slob. Like, you're not like, like you like the show, you like covering it, like talking about it. But sometimes you're like, ugh, I don't feel like watching the episode. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Not with this one. I'm like, I can't wait to watch the next episode. And I want to watch the next one and the next one, but I have to hold myself back. So, obviously, thrilled to be here.

[00:02:43] Love this season so far. Love this episode. I felt like right at home. And can we talk about it? Yes. And a big shout out to the chat, all the people who join us here live on YouTube. If you're not watching this on YouTube, you are missing out on a little bit. But I do still support, I'm sorry, I appreciate the support of y'all listening to the audio-only version on Spotify, Apple Music, wherever you get your podcasts. RecapKickback.com slash subscribe will get you that.

[00:03:11] But here on YouTube, YouTube.com slash at RecapKickback, you can watch us live. And we do have some of our usual suspects in the chat, Thundercats. Chris, I see y'all tuning in just for this. I hear mass debaters and I need no context. I'm showing up. Chris says, Marissa drove me mad in this episode. And I'm so glad that we are going to be able to talk about all of that and more.

[00:03:36] But yeah, thank you to all of our loyal listeners who have been coming here since Chantel and I started talking about Flavor of Love. Or the people who have jumped in recently who now had to go catch up and then join the Charm School conversation. Because for me, Chantel, Charm School so far has had no misses. All these episodes have been bangers. All of them. And the casting has been top. I'm just like, oh, I don't really want anybody to leave because they do have something to bring or a dynamic that they bring to the show.

[00:04:05] And so, yeah, I've just been enjoying it thoroughly and really loving the cast. And I don't want it to end, to be honest. But we're getting like we're a third of the way through now. We are a third of the way through. We have been doing this watch thanks to the help of David and some of the people who have been helping us get links to these episodes. Because Charm School is very hard to find online.

[00:04:29] A lot of these VH1 shows and a lot of reality shows in general from the olden days have been stricken from the internet. Because they don't want us to see some of the problematic behaviors that were associated with their networks. But guess what? We have found them. You know, and for the very first time, I can say that in the show notes for this very podcast is a link to Mass Debaters Episode 4.

[00:04:52] And so you can watch it too and then come check us out if you want to go and cross-reference any of the things we're saying. Or if you want to watch along with us, that episode is in the chat. I mean, in the comments. And for a special treat, I will put next week's episode in the comments after we're done recording this. And so that way, you can stay one episode ahead. Because this will keep you on track for where we are right now together.

[00:05:15] But, you know, if you want to watch along and be able to join the commentary, I think it's fair if we found some episodes in some various locations to help everybody out. Yes, exactly. I mean, things from the past, they don't make it as easy to be able to find nowadays. And so if you find it, you just have to keep it a little secret. But, you know, we're still trying to support the show because we love it so much.

[00:05:43] Yes. And Chris points out that there are other celebrity shows that are in the mix that are VH1, kind of Charm School, Flavor of Love adjacent, that we could potentially cover. We'll see, depending on how much Chantel knows about those shows or has been spoiled on them. Because the fun of this is that Chantel has actually never seen a lot of this series. She'd never seen Flavor of Love. We started there. We've now worked our way through two seasons of that. One season, I Love New York. We're now on Charm School.

[00:06:12] And who knows what's coming up next for Chantel. But we do have to talk about... I don't know. But we do have to talk about all of it. It's just like unlimited. Like, okay, I'm a person that loves knowledge, right? I love information. I love gaining knowledge, information, references. Like, I love being able to draw on certain things.

[00:06:37] And I actually can't believe the block that I have of, like, lack of knowledge in a certain area when I thought that I was an expert. You know? Like, it's a huge hole. And it just keeps on getting bigger. I mean, it's closing in as it's getting bigger. You know what I mean? But, like, wow. I really missed a lot living in Montreal in the early 2000s. Yeah. By the end of this, you're going to be completely caught up on a whole portion of the fan base and of the lore that you didn't even know existed. Because you did know New York.

[00:07:06] And you knew that she got her start on Flavor of Love. But you never really saw that journey. And what this conversation has been opening up is a larger conversation about, you know, this huge fandom that surrounded VH1 and really paved the way for a lot of the reality TV shows that we have now. So it's going to be fun. Yeah. Like, I saw things like, I think it was on MTV, which I did have. But I saw, like, Tia Tequila, Shot at Love, and Devil Shot at Love. I saw both of those seasons.

[00:07:35] I think there was another season after that, maybe. I don't know. But there definitely was two that I've seen. I have seen, I believe, one of the Rock of Loves. The one with, was it Brett? Brett Michaels. Michaels. I don't know if I've seen all of it, but I just remember them all being on a tour bus at some point. So I don't know if I've seen the full season, but that's something that I'm aware of-ish. Okay.

[00:08:02] But as far as I know, at this point, I don't know anything else. I had heard the name Charm School, but I didn't know what it entailed.

[00:08:38] Mm-hmm. You know? I think that she ended up sabotaging herself. You know, the girls and the judges were always saying that she was really self-centered and not really thinking about other people and whatever. That was kind of the narrative even this episode as she goes out.

[00:09:02] But if she had just utilized her desire to be the center of attention last week and maybe won that challenge, she would have been seen maybe differently in the eyes of her competitors. Because with her losing last week and then going to the judges, throwing people under the bus, it made especially Ms. Becky not like her and want to have her out of this game for sure.

[00:09:29] And so she might have been in better favor with the people that she was playing the game with or fellow contestants if she had stepped up and won that challenge for them.

[00:10:07] Yeah. And she might have been able to use that to highlight them instead of being like, and that's why I'm the greatest. Instead, she decided to be like, no, I can't be the model because if I'm the model, I'll get voted out and they'll be mad at me. And I'll have a me and me and me and me and me and me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me. As Safira will say in this episode. You know, so she just missed the mark.

[00:10:31] And then coming into this episode, she had some bad blood against her because as you were pointing out correctly, Buck Wilde is mad. She is not happy. Becky says, I'm going to keep an eye on her. Yeah. And could you blame her? Crystal screwed over two people, Becky and Toasty or Buck Wilde and Toasty. R.I.P. Jen. But in order for that to work, Crystal, both of them can't come back. And Buck Wilde is back with an axe to grind.

[00:10:59] And this entire episode, she has a one track mind. She's trying to get revenge on Crystal. Big mad. Oh, my goodness. Like, I mean, I would probably be pissed, too. I mean, like, get out of here. Like, you didn't help us win. And then you throw us under the bus to people that were, well, Jen didn't really try. But, like, I was trying and now you're going to throw me under the bus? Like, get out of here. It's not the way to make friends. Especially in these group scenarios where you kind of have to work together at some point. And you have to have them want you to be there.

[00:11:27] How many times have we seen it in shows where it'd be like, well, I think they even said this episode. Like, why should she stay here? Why should she not be here? Like, you kind of have to give points of why your people need to be to stay or go. And so if you don't have any friends, they're all going to want you to go. And so she wasn't making any friends. And it was just very odd that she couldn't course correct. Yeah, exactly. So this episode is going to take them on a field trip to another school.

[00:11:55] They're going to go to Cal State Fullerton and learn the art of debate in this challenge. Our next commandment is thou shalt spit mad game with style. Interesting words with the pumpkin still left in the house, Chantel. Yes, it does get referenced at some point in the episode. Spitting mad game. Yeah, she'll never live that down. It's going to go on her tombstone, I think. I mean, like, the spit hurt around the world.

[00:12:24] Yeah, except for in Canada, probably. Almost around the world. Most of the world. Spit goes around America. Yeah, basically. United States of America. Because I do live in America. That is in America as well. Just not the America that's going to catch the spit in the face, you know? I mean, we're just too polite over here. Maybe that's what it was banned. Like, I...

[00:12:54] Yeah. Spitting is so rude. So rude. It actually happened to me once when I was younger. It was really terrible. Like, it was a racist kind of offense. And so that's why it also was so egregious to see, like, Pumpkin so easily want to do something like that. Because, like, when it happened to me, it was so hurtful. And, like, you know what I mean? So... No. I still get a side-eye pumpkin, even though I don't hate her as much.

[00:13:22] But, like, that act was very, very, very distasteful and very, very racist. A despicable moment in TV history that will live in infamy and that is going to shape a lot of reality TV. Like, it can be both things, right? It can be awful and also awfully entertaining. Wait. Actually, I just had a flash. Do you remember... Can you think of another time where there was a white woman spitting on a black woman? Or, like, I don't know if she's black, maybe Dominican, but... Mm-mm. Who got spat on?

[00:13:52] You should know this. I should know this? I think so. Oh, I don't know. Who got spat on? So, Taylor, Taylor and Corey, she spat on... Oh, my God. What's her name? She's really beautiful. She was on the challenge a little bit. But before that, she was on Are You the One? She's so pretty. And she spat at her over the balcony. What was it on? Oh, on... On... X on... Was it X on the Beach? You know, when they...

[00:14:22] But it was like, they... Oh, you didn't see... Do you even see any of those? I... No. I don't... I'm not an X on the Beach guy. Are you the one who didn't speak to me? Was it X on the Beach? Okay. Anyways, she's... Alicia, Alicia, Alicia. Did someone tell me this in the chat? Alicia. Yes. Oh, yeah. The chat's coming to the rescue. Hornhub says Taylor Selfridge. Yeah. Taylor, but like Corey Wharton's baby mama. So, I didn't know that.

[00:14:50] I've never seen his baby mama before on TV. So, Corey was dating this girl, Alicia, who I think did one season of The Challenge. Maybe. It could be crazy. And so, now Alicia came in as the ex, I believe. And he was like kind of with Taylor at that time, before babies. And like they were fighting, getting in a fight, the two women. And Taylor was on the balcony standing with Corey. And she... Hot Tua!

[00:15:20] Like on Alicia over the balcony. Did Alicia beat her ass? I think people had to hold her back. She tried to. But like she was far away. You know what I mean? And like she got big mad. Like it was like... Yeah. I don't condone assault. Okay. So, season one, Ex on the Beach. Thank you, Michael. Yeah. Yeah. I don't condone assault in any charge. I mean, in any shape or form. So, don't spit on people. How about that?

[00:15:50] I thought that you would have seen that just because the players, you know who the players are. But I guess if you don't know any of Ex on the Beach or any of the... What should we call it? I just know Corey. Are the one. But you know Corey. Yeah. Yeah. I only know Corey. Okay. So, they go to Cal State Fullerton and they have to do a debate class. They're going to learn effective communication with this debate team. And Dr. John Bruschi, as the teacher here, he's going to tell them what it takes to win a debate.

[00:16:19] And Savary says the teacher thought he was a masturbator or a master at debate or debating it masterfully. But she thought his rules were bad. Now, his rules were no swearing, no screaming. Don't talk during someone else's speech and stay on time. And of course, never give up. Savary said, no, those are bad rules. What did you think? The rules are perfect. I mean, I was a debate girly. I like to debate.

[00:16:50] And I like sticking to the facts. Right. Or like the points. I like points being clear. I don't want to fight to be heard. I want my words to land and I have the respect of hearing them. And then coming with a rebuttal. Like, I'm ready to listen to your rebuttal because if I listen to it and if I hear you have some good points, it actually helps me be able to, if I have another counterpoint or whatnot, to have something to come back to.

[00:17:15] So I think to have it to be structured, a structured debate allows it to be more clear when someone wins or loses. It allows people to get their points across without worried about being heard. And I think it just, structuring a civilized debate is effective. So I agree with his rules. So Fairey's rules are cut them down low, hit them from the bottom of the waist, cut them off and make sure they don't talk back.

[00:17:44] And it seems to work for her generally. And if not, just don't hit them with flowers because it will go down. Now, she can do all those hitting low, cut them down, like all that stuff. But like on her time, you know what I mean? Like, just don't cut them off. Like, cutting the people off, it just means that you're not actually listening to what they have to say. And so, yeah, she can still play her own way, but within the rules, I think.

[00:18:11] So let's talk about these two teams because they have to divide and conquer. It's going to be two teams of five and using one person who will be benched and not able to compete in the challenge, but still up for elimination if their team loses. Team A, Shatar, Brooke, Courtney, Larissa, and Layleen. First glance, what are your thoughts about this team?

[00:18:37] I was like, ooh, Layleen is a weak link, but she'll likely be benched. I think that Courtney is obviously a good speaker. I wasn't sure about Brooke, but like she's not a weak link in general. And it's Boots and Bucky. Larissa and Shatar, Hottie. Hottie, Hottie, sorry. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They're on opposite. I do feel like this is a team that more people would want to win, like to try harder.

[00:19:04] Like, Shatar, we know that she will throw anybody under the bus to get that win. Like, she'll do anything. So having her on the team, I feel, I would feel strong that a win was coming, even with Layleen being there. Since they came back. Yeah. Larissa says, sorry ass Layleen is going to fuck our shit up. And so she does not have high hopes about her. Team B, however, Becky, Dara, Safari, Shay, and Crystal.

[00:19:32] And when I first saw this team, I thought, oh, this is perfect because Buck Wilde and Safari hate Crystal. And this is going to be some good drama. And I think they delivered. Definitely delivered some good drama. They do not like that woman at all. And it showed. And yeah, it wasn't a good draw for Crystal here. I mean, I don't know if any draw would have been good for her, but definitely not that one. Yeah.

[00:19:59] I don't know if when I see this team, I don't know if I think this is the team that's going to win the debate. Just like, you know, like I do think that you're right. Hottie will go to the end of the earth to win. Right. And so I wouldn't, I wouldn't, I wouldn't bet against Hottie, Shatar. Also, Brooke being there, you know, we know she can hold her on. We've seen her in plenty of arguments in the house. You know, we are going to get to bench one person. So Layleen wouldn't be an awful choice. I think Goldie slash Courtney, she would be great.

[00:20:26] You know, so I think team A probably had the edge in general because, you know, Crystal is in the weak link. Safari plays by her own rules. I don't know. Becky, it was Becky the team leader? She the strength? Rebecca Johnston. Rebecca Johnston with the good hair. She doesn't even know that her name is going to be part of a song. But it makes so much sense. It makes so much sense. So much sense.

[00:20:57] No, I did think though. So with the fact that they had to have two people bench, I was thinking that they're going to orchestrate having a tie. And the people that were benched were going to be the ones that were going to have to like do a final rebuttal to like help make the decision. Like that's what I thought that they were going to do to utilize people that they didn't want them to be on the team. But they're going to be the ones that's going to either win or lose it for their team. So that's where I thought they were going to go this episode.

[00:21:23] That would have been an interesting twist, especially because of the person we do have sitting out being Layleen. She dropped out in around 11th grade. So this debate lesson is going over her hair. She's clearly lost and trying to soak up whatever she can. But she's saying, I don't understand a lot of the things that are being said. And I think it's Goldie who's like, like what? And she's just like, the vocabulary. I just don't understand what you're talking about. I felt so bad for her.

[00:21:52] I felt really bad for her just because, like, don't you do debate in grade 11? No, do not. 11th grade, as you guys said? Listen, you got to remember where I'm at. I'm in the deep south of Texas. We were not doing debate in 11th grade. Not in my public school. I was like in a mostly public school. But like, I feel like I did debate in like when I was like 16. I've never taken a debate class.

[00:22:22] Oh, OK. I love today. I have two degrees. I have two degrees. One in communication. And have literally never taken a debate class. I feel like you'd be so good. Thank you. Oh, my God. Hold on. Maybe that could be. I mean, we have so much that we can do. But you'd be a great debater. But like, that would be fun to find a topic and like, let's go debate. I don't know if you saw, but like on my channel or Drew from Angel Cake Entertainment.

[00:22:52] I think it was maybe on his channel. One of our channels. Anyways, we did like, we did debates kind of on different challenge topics. So like, who's the greatest of all time? And blah, blah, blah. Like, we had like a whole bunch of different debates that we did. And it was very, it was a big hit. So we could maybe bring that in at some point of it. Like, who's, I don't know, the best reality star of all time? Or who's, you know, the legends of the flavor of Love Universe? Whatever. But like, yeah.

[00:23:21] It was really fun because I would maybe get somebody that I can't stand out to debate. Like, why Holly is better than so-and-so. So, oh yeah, yeah. We had like, yeah, we had the audience send in different like debatable topics. And so being like, okay. And so like, we each got sides and we had to debate like one side or the other. And like people watched the debate. So it was, it was fun. One of my Recap Kickback co-hosts, Latonya Starks, is actually a debate coach and a debate judge.

[00:23:50] And so I think if we wanted to make that happen, we have, we have the team that can do it. So yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. Larissa's not a fan of Lailene. She says she needs a lot of attention. She's stupid and she's tired of her ass. Um, so they get a couple of practice topics to work amongst their group. Uh, one of the, one of the practice, uh, topics was Larissa has anger management problems.

[00:24:14] And this is when Crystal is realizing that her team might not be the perfect team for her. Safari hates her. Becky was just thrown under the bus by her. Dara was also seemingly kind of left out to drive for Crystal's behavior last round. Shay is there and she's going up against Larissa, uh, across the way, which could be a benefit to her. And then, uh, Crystal, of course, um, nervous about all of this, but in their conversation, it's clear.

[00:24:42] Crystal is not making a lot of headway here and they are ready to bench her. And she hates this. How do you feel about Crystal being the one benched in this challenge? It made sense, of course. Um, if she was better at debate, she would get herself, like, not be benched. Let's just be like, listen, you may not like me, but I can help get you guys to win. I think that I could out debate or speak over say Safari or whatever, like choose somebody.

[00:25:11] You're gonna make an end to me anyways. And, and, and just be like, listen, like, this is not about what you feel about me. It's about what you feel about winning this, this round. And if I'm there, I think we have a better chance of winning. Something like that. Like, I would have liked to see her try a little bit harder instead of just being salty that they benched her. Yeah. Her argument was like, if I'm on the bench, I'm going to get eliminated. You know, like they're going to eliminate me. Yeah. And Safari was like, what? No, that's crazy. You're not going to get eliminated.

[00:25:40] Like, meanwhile, pushing her over to the bench. Yeah. Uh, Safari says the team has promise, but Crystal might struggle about talking about anything that isn't herself. That's true though, actually. Yeah. And they're not going to be debating them. They're going to be debating the other team and potentially, and they can't have Crystal being like, and then I thought my best actions for me were blank, blank, blank, and blank. Uh, so they, she puts up a, a fight, but I'm with you.

[00:26:08] I don't know if it was a good enough fight. It definitely didn't win to keep her off the bench. And when she was doing the practice debate, I didn't even understand why she turned it around on herself. Right? Like, like, wouldn't you be like, I too have anger management problems. And I like, like nobody, definitely nobody asked that. Like, stick to the, the, the prompt. Uh, yeah. So. Yeah. Um, Crystal. Yeah.

[00:26:35] She doesn't look like, she's not looked at as like a asset in this challenge. So she'll be benched. And of course, Layleen is getting benched on the other side. Um, we have this moment where, um, the topic is all the people from Courtney's team should be expelled from charm school. That is the decision. I mean, the, uh, the debate topic that they're going to have to compete for. Four. So it's going to be four on four. Uh, Becky is ready to get her revenge on Crystal.

[00:27:04] She's ready to put Crystal on the bench no matter what. Um, on the other team, I really did enjoy the way hottie kind of handles putting, uh, figuring out the bench. She goes, she looks at Goldie slash Courtney. She says, um, obviously pumpkin. Brooke, she's going to be benched. Right? Uh, like that makes total sense. And Brooke is like, what? Why would I be benched? And she's like, I mean, you don't want to be benched. I thought you would have wanted to sit out of something like this. This is so shady.

[00:27:33] Cause Heidi basically like, what are you going to bring to the table? Like, I thought we all agreed you included that you should sit this one out. I love it. Now, do you think that there was any sort of conversation where she just completely pulled that out of nowhere? Uh, like, like did, did Brooke say like, oh, if I can sit out, like I want to sit out. Like if she, if she thought that it wasn't going to be up for elimination, like, do you think that conversation happened or is it complete? Like lies. I think hottie made this up.

[00:27:59] I think hottie just like was looked around her team and was like, we could do without you. And just immediately decided that pumpkin was going to volunteer to sit out. Uh, pumpkin says stupid ass Shatar. Uh, because she thinks that, you know, she's a pumpkin was a substitute teacher. She's worked. She's talked in front of crowds before she would be good at this when the obvious choice here is Layleen. I just liked that hottie tried, you know, I just like how she did that.

[00:28:26] I think so that she wasn't going to be the one that says Layleen. Oh, even then I like that. Even then it's even smarter. So she says like, oh, I, I, oh, my mistake. Yeah. Like, who do you think that should be benched? And then she's going to be like, obviously Layleen. And she's like, right. Okay. You make a good point. You know what I mean? Like it was, but it's not her throwing out the name first. Yeah. That's a good point. I mean, look at my girl. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Hottie is a top tier character.

[00:28:56] You can't change my mind. You're going to date Hottie. No. What? A chicken in the microwave. That lady is undateable. How do you think she makes her grits? In the microwave. I feel like everything's going to the microwave, but she's definitely using salt and not sugar, which would be incredible. Hottie Giesling Ray as Mitchell. Courtney makes a great point here.

[00:29:24] She says Layleen is not a fighter and she's not going to argue about being benched. All you got to do is say, go sit your ass on that bench. And that's what she's going to do. And we do see Layleen do exactly that. She like tries to articulate an argument. Like, well, I think I could show more strength if I'm on the team. And they're like, girl, quit playing. And so she's benched. But she says, well, I still want to help. And so she tries to assist in the prep and sit on the bench and offer a good smile, Chantel. Mm hmm.

[00:29:52] She's going to be benched with a smile and she's going to be supportive from the sidelines. And she wants her team to do well, even if she's not a part of it. And even if she's still up for elimination, regardless of how they do. So I think this is a good tactic and strategy for her for a future. So like if she stays, like if, say, your team has to decide, like who knows if they're going to change up the rules. Like having her team on her side, I think it looks good in front of the judges.

[00:30:19] And being salty, like what's her face when Crystal was? Crystal. Yeah. Yeah. Crystal was so salty that it's hard to come back from that in front of the judges. Yeah. Yeah. The other team wants Crystal benched so badly. Becky is putting her foot down. She's just like, I'm not changing my vote. Y'all can vote for who y'all want to, but I'm voting for Crystal. And Crystal said, if I end up on that carpet, I'm going home. This will be the third time in a row. There's not going to be an argument she can make to save herself.

[00:30:50] Becky keeps turning to Safari. Safari's like, should we flip a coin? And Becky's like, no, Safari, who do you want to vote for? She's really pushing her because she knows Safari doesn't like Crystal. And she's really just looking for a reason to vote her out. Crystal is saying she's willing to argue with the judges. And she really advocates for herself. But Becky is not going to be moved. And so Crystal ends up benched because this is a popularity contest. And she is the least popular. When you do clownery, Chantel, the clown comes back to bite you.

[00:31:21] Absolutely. And she got bit bad. You know, she's young. I got to remember, she's young. She's probably like 23 years old. Like, she doesn't have that worldly of a perspective. But she had to know that, like, if people don't like you, they're not going to want you in the game. Like, she had to figure that out. But she didn't. She may not be too bright. Well, I think self-preservation kicked in last round, right?

[00:31:48] And now, because self-preservation from Crystal, shocker. You know, she's a very self-interested person. I would love to see her playing Big Brother. She'd be a good Big Brother player. I don't know if she would be good. I mean, good to watch. She would be, yeah. She would be self-interested, right? Like, Crystal's never going to volunteer for the block. She's never going to, like, throw a challenge for somebody else to keep her. Because, like, it's all. But, like, would you? No, no. But she's the worst ally of all time, right? Like, she's like Vince.

[00:32:18] Crystal is Vince. Whatever it takes to get me one step further, I'm going to do that. I'm going to take whatever that is. You know, like, do I need to? Oh, you need a volunteer? It ain't going to be me. You need a pawn? It ain't going to be me. You know, if you were working with me last week, guess what? I need to put you up. Why? Because it can't be me. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I don't know where we can get, how we can get Crystal on Big Brother. But Crystal the Lip. I'm just saying it.

[00:32:46] It has a good ring to it. She could do it. I could. Crystal could do it. I don't know. Maybe she's grown since 2007. But hopefully she has it and she wants to play this or, I don't know. But I'm now putting Crystal on my people who should play another reality TV game list. She definitely would be a great person to watch on Big Brother. Especially if she's still quite similar to how she is this season.

[00:33:16] And, like, they would need someone older. So she's probably, like, in her early 40s at this point. Like, that would be a great older person. It would be, like, the Tiffany Mitchell age going on Big Brother. What's she up to? Yeah. Let's make some magic happen. We can probably get Crystal back on this. I think we can. Because she even reacts how Big Brother players react. She's mad. Don't talk to me. Don't look at me. Me, me, me, me, me.

[00:33:45] Versus Lailene, who is still smiling and wanting to help and trying to support her team. So it's very clear the difference in these two as players. And, like, if they're on the block against each other, just the two of them, Lailene would say. Yeah, for sure. Safari says during the debate she could see Crystal's negative energy rooting against them from across the room. And Monique looks at this group and is not surprised to see both of these people. We even catch Mickey Taylor telling Crystal, let it go.

[00:34:14] Because Crystal has worked her way over to the judges' table and is now whispering in the judges' ears as the debate starts. This would have sent me over the edge. I couldn't have done it. I'd have been like, Crystal, we see you. Would you have gotten up and said something? I would have called her out. Yeah, I'm sorry. That would have been like, or at least I would have made a scene. I would have definitely been whispering to my team. Like, y'all see Crystal ass over there talking. Of course she's talking to the judges. You know what she's saying? Throwing all of us under the bus.

[00:34:43] Oh, there's no way. I couldn't stand for this. Because it was so transparent what she was doing. I know. I mean, why is she doing? I mean, she's trying anything that she can to stay. But other than, like, what actually would work is, like, getting people to like you. Like, being likable, it goes a lot further than being a kiss ass. Yeah. Safari says, you sneaky tramp. That is something a hoe would do.

[00:35:09] I mean, she's not wrong. Sneaky tramp is actually the funniest thing I've ever heard. You sneaky tramp. You sneaky tramp. But, like, you know what? It's true. She's making some points. That's a debate point right here. Is Crystal a sneaky tramp? Yes. Affirmative. Oh, my God.

[00:35:37] If Crystal was on the other team, if she was on the Courtney team, I'd have been like, the reason why Courtney's team deserves to be eliminated, because Crystal can no longer stay in this game, that sneaky tramp will do whatever it takes. She's not learning. And if they all got to go so that she can go, it's worth it. That would be my thesis. And I would just keep harping on the sneaky tramp on the sidelines. Sneaky tramp. She can't even defend herself because she's not in a debate. She would have been my target.

[00:36:07] You're just to come for her. I would have had to. Sneaky tramp. Sneaky tramp. That is something a ho would do. Mickey even told her, well, if you were that good at debating, Crystal, maybe they wouldn't have benched you. And I was like, whoop. Well, exactly. Like, even though they didn't like her last week, they would have allowed her to be the model. They wanted her to be the model. So they know what her strengths are to a certain extent. And so they would have, if she was a better debater, they would have probably kept her. It's true. Safari loves winning.

[00:36:37] Okay. We've seen her pick hottie twice. You know, she's like, hey, I'll pick hottie if I can win. You know, there are some people who are going to keep their eye on the prize. And they knew that Crystal wasn't going to help them too much in this. We get the opening statements. Becky versus Brooke. Dara says, if Becky is able to bring us Rebecca Johnston, then we're going to win this competition.

[00:37:05] And she starts talking about charm school is about personal development. She doesn't think anyone on the team is taking in what the judges have to say about them. And they're all concerned with their own vanity and friendships and vendettas than anyone else. Becky really comes at their throats about how none of them are here to learn the lessons of charm school. They're just here to make friends and all kinds of stuff. And, you know, the judges even applaud her. She says she sued her landlord and she sued her landlord again. We came back.

[00:37:34] She beat her landlord and her landlord lawyer. Yeah. So she's litigious. She came here to play. I thought that she presented well. I thought that she stayed for the most part on topic. And I thought that she was a good opener. So I was not impressed. But like if I'm looking at everybody else that was there, I guess I was impressed by Becky. Yeah. Brooke's opener was evicting them.

[00:38:03] It basically does nothing for them. It doesn't. It's sending them home. These women who need to improve, who need to be better. They're in charm school to grow. And they cannot grow if they are evicted from charm school. If you think you are perfect, get your bags and leave. Those are the words from Monique. And none of them should be leaving. The judges applaud again. I thought Brooke hit back. I thought it was a good match between the two of them. I thought the match was good as well. My key point is that they stayed on topic.

[00:38:34] Right? Like that is like a very, I think very important about debate. I mean like, or even like having a fight with anybody. I mean like, wait, wait, where are you going? Let's go back to what we're actually talking about. Like I hate when people decide to pull in other information and other topics to prove, not even to prove a point, just to change the debate. And so they both stayed on topic with strong, clear points. Good first round. Yeah. So the team. I thought Becky was a slightly stronger. Sorry.

[00:39:04] As well. Me too. Me too. I'm with you on that one. I'm with you on that one. Larissa versus Shay is next up. And we know these two are good friends. They're probably, this is the closest duo in the house, I would probably say. And so Larissa skims through the questions and gets her attitude together. She's like, everything is going to be fine. And her opening question in defense of her team is y'all have said so many bad things about our team and why we need to be eliminated, but you haven't brought up any of the bad things that you have done.

[00:39:32] And Shay's response is we have proven that we are willing to learn and to grow. Y'all aren't even willing to learn. Shatar is stealing. And Larissa, you can't have a conversation without talking like a baby. And Larissa looks like she could kill Shay in this moment. Shay's her friend and she's using her weakness against her. Someone that knows her so well is just using it to go for the jugular.

[00:40:01] I mean, all's fair in charm school debates, but I would have been pissed if my friend hit me, hit me low. Yeah. And Larissa, of course, is flustered by this. And Shay does this under the premise that if I piss her off, she's going to get flustered and not be able to speak. And that's exactly what we see. Larissa starts to rambling and talking around in circles because what she wants to do is cuss Shay out. So, but she's taking that, you know, they're in a debate. She's taking that tool away from her.

[00:40:30] There's no swearing in the debate. So, she can't just be like, bitch, you da-da-da-da. So, she really struggles with this. Shay was on her ass and she clearly won that round over Larissa. Clearly won that round. And I loved how well she knew her friend that she's like, yeah, I'm going to get her flustered. And it's like, she didn't even have to be, it wasn't even that hard, you know, what she did.

[00:40:55] And so, I thought that was also impressive to know her opponent so well, to know what to say to get her off her game. Next up, we have Shatar versus Safiri, which is honestly something that I injected into my veins. Safiri starts off here and she's asking, why do you feel, Brooke, that shaking your breast was an appropriate action? And I'm thinking, now what the hell does this have to do with anything? That's something, off topic.

[00:41:25] This fight happened, did it even happen this season? Or was that from Flavor of Love? No, it was this season. It was the dress fight? It was, is it the dress fight? It was when they put the panties on the picture. Was it all that stuff? And like, and she, she was like, oh my God. She was getting going like, ah, like, ah. That was, yeah, it was like two episodes ago. Episode two? Yeah.

[00:41:53] I couldn't tell if it was an old fight or the current fight. But yes, that is, that was the topic at hand. Shatar was like, well, first of all, I'm up here. Why are you directing the question at Becky's? Becky's, I mean, Brooke, she's not even over here. And Flavor said, well, you were the victim of that crime of, of her take. So did she, or did she not take her bra and her top off and shake her breast in her face with her nipples by your lips? And yes, I said nipples by her lips.

[00:42:23] And you were having to say it twice. That's what she said. She said. You were too, okay? You were too. I said it. Um, obviously I find this hilarious. I would be, I'm surprised that she didn't run by what she was going to say to her other, uh, you know, teammates because like, this isn't on topic. So yes, she was making a point. Okay.

[00:42:49] I guess that like, you know, this happened, but like it had nothing to do with the topic. So I was like a little bit worried about them losing their strong, uh, debating skills here. Yeah. She's cutting her off every chance she gets. Uh, we never see Shatar make one point without Safari coming in and demanding an answer. Uh, Courtney says she turned into Johnny Cochran in that moment. It isn't allowing her to say anything. There's even a moment where Shatar is trying to shake her hand, like a good sport and Safari

[00:43:18] just walks off and kind of points at her like, okay, girl. Um, so I would say for me, Safari sadly loses that round because she just completely forgot what the rules of the, of the debate were. Exactly. Exactly. Wait, what's the exact debate topic again? Should, should Goldie's entire team get, get, um, get expelled. And so like, if, if she had kind of at least looped it back, Safari had been like, you know,

[00:43:44] your team does this, this, this, this, this, and this, it's not respecting this, this, this, this, this, I don't think it holds the pillars of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Then it could work. But she was kind of just like pointing out a scenario that people on that team and she didn't actually loop it back to the topic. And so it wasn't a complete thought, uh, and it wasn't executed well at all. Right. Um, I will say here are probably the MVPs of this entire challenge for me, Dara versus

[00:44:13] Courtney, the closers, uh, Dara comes in with integrity and individuality. And I was like, Oh, she's about to cook. Uh, she says they're all there for a reason. And it's not about who's being a bigger jerk or who who's being rewarded for bad behavior. We need this more. We know we're not perfect. I'm too big to be here, but I know I'm not, but I'm not too little to not grow. We equals me.

[00:44:44] Thank you. The crowd applauses and I have no clue what the hell she said. It sounded good. It sounded good. It sounded good. People are clapping, but they're like, what? Uh, what does she mean? I think she meant that even though she's big, that everybody on their team has room to grow. She, yeah. Her words were, we need this more.

[00:45:12] We know we're not perfect. I'm too big to be here. No, I'm not. But I'm not too little not to grow. We equals me. She needs to be here. That's what it is. But she is the team that's supposed to be talking about while, while Goldie's team needs to be. I know. Exactly. Like she didn't say nothing about them and why they should be expelled. Exactly.

[00:45:43] So that's what I'm saying is that they start off strong with like making it very clear about what the objective was, what the topic was. And so she could have said all this by concluding it with, I just don't feel as though the other team, da, da, da, da, da, da. I think that Goldie's da, da, da, da, da, because say everything she needs to say and wrap it up with like, that's why we, they need to go. Yeah. Goldie points this out.

[00:46:10] Courtney, when she does her speech, she says Dara's speech did not address the topic. The other team is bad, but they haven't explained why they need to go home. They say, she says they want to grow and get better just like their other team does. And charm school is the avenue to do that. We're bad, but if we're bad, we should stay in charm school to get better. And I'm like, yes, Goldie is correct. If we are bad and the point of this show is to make us better, what good does it do to evict us from the game?

[00:46:39] You know, there, if your goal is to not make us better, then get rid of us right now. Or if you think that we cannot grow, we've hit a wall where the lessons are not happening, right? We're going to see Crystal go because she is not grasping the idea that we're trying to teach them here. She can go. But if you have somebody who is trying their hardest, who might be making mistakes, but they're trying and they're learning and they're getting better, they do indeed need to be here.

[00:47:05] And so Goldie's point is that like, yeah, y'all are saying we're bad, but y'all are bad too. So why should we all go and y'all shouldn't? Absolutely. And she definitely won that side of the debate, even though I love Cutie Dara. And that's my point is that you got to stay on topic in order for it to be a strong debate point. And I'm very smart of Courtney to recognize this and be like, hey, like, what are we doing here?

[00:47:35] We are talking about who's to go home. We're supposed to go home. We shouldn't be here. And she was able to prove why she should. Yeah. Dr. John concluded that both teams did a good job, an equal job of like the emotional parts of the debate. But some people did not address the topic of why Courtney's team needed to be expelled. So they won. Courtney's team is the winner here. And Becky is not a fan of this.

[00:48:02] She says Dr. John must be smoking on that Snoop Dogg. And Monique is also not a fan of this. She's like, I don't understand the judge's decision. And so John has to explain to her that if the question is, OK, why should bad people be allowed to stay here? Then the argument is, OK, make a point for why we, the bad people, should go and y'all are able to stay when we are clearly the ones who need the help. Right.

[00:48:30] And they're not able to undermine that point that Courtney's team was positing the whole time. And so he leans on them. How did you feel about the decision? Well, OK, I definitely agreed with Courtney in the end. But I do think that the red team was the stronger team. Like I thought the first, like Becky and who's number two? Like I feel like they were strong. And Becky and Shay. No, yeah, Shay. They were both strong.

[00:49:01] And so I thought that their strengths was better than the strengths of the green team. And so I could agree with Monique here. But I do understand the points. Like the last one is going to be leaving the lasting impression. Right. That's like closing arguments. Like those are like what's what resonates and what stays. And so because Courtney had a stronger closing argument, I do think that that's why they ended up getting the win. But I can understand why Monique may think that it should have been the other way.

[00:49:30] Because I thought on a whole, all the points were stronger on the red team. Yeah. And this is such a divisive moment. Because Monique is like, all right, explain it to me like I'm five. You know, Dr. John says it. But it's clear that Monique is still not loving the decision. Because like you said, you could tell that the Safari team, right, that team kind of like they got it. They understood what they should be doing.

[00:49:58] And they executed their, they were attempting a lot better. They made a better effort. They did not win the debate, though. You know, like if you walked away from this being like, oh, now I understand why Courtney's whole entire team should be expelled. Then they would have won the debate. But we don't, right? We don't, we honestly throughout that entire debate, I have no reason why Courtney herself should even be expelled. I think if anything, if you can prove why Courtney needs to go, you can prove why anybody can go.

[00:50:25] Because we haven't really seen Goldie doing that much negative stuff. You know, even with, with Brooke shaking her nipples in front of, you know, her lips or whatever. In front of Hottie's lips. Because there is no, why is Courtney going down with the ship, you know? So I don't think they do a good job of explaining that at all. So I'm with, I'm with Dr. John as to why he chose.

[00:50:49] But Monique makes sure to point out that, you know, the affirmative team did their job. Even, even though Dr. John has ruled for the opposition. Larissa does not like this. She says Monique is being a hater and she's going to speak up. Yeah. Do you think that that's true? Do you think that, because Larissa was saying that she thinks that Monique is out to get her. That Monique wanted her team to lose because she wanted to come for her.

[00:51:20] Are we missing something? Is there bad blood? Because this kind of erupted into something that I was not expecting. And it kind of came out of nowhere in my opinion. Well, let's look at the clip. We're back to clips, y'all. I speak my mind and that's what I'm about to do. It's funny that when I don't get an attitude, it ain't good enough. That's what I see. When I was up there, I didn't cut nobody out. I didn't do anything like that. And I feel like ain't nothing good enough.

[00:51:48] That pisses me off. And I'm going to say it pisses me off. It should piss you off so much that you're stopping. I really think that somebody is saying something. I'm going to piss you off enough that you'll say, you know what? Let me, excuse me, John. It should piss you off so much that you'll say, let me check my ass. You go right back into being a baby. So do me a favor, Arisa. This was a debate. Get angry. This was a debate. Get as angry as you can because maybe tomorrow, sister, you'll straighten out your attitude. I wanted to shake her like, why aren't you getting this?

[00:52:16] Just absorb what's happening here and be the best you you can be. I think that you just don't like me and that's your issue with me. That's how I feel because when you come to me, you say you see a look on my face that I have an attitude. But when you're up there and you're talking to me, I see the same thing. Wow. All right. Now, can tell you that since day one, I've been team Larissa on this.

[00:52:47] I'm not going to lie to you. Even back then, I was like, she's making a valid point. All right. To me, Monique, you kind of tripping. These people just won the challenge and you going out of your way to be like, nah, I ain't like that. When the question wasn't, did you agree or did you like it? The question was, did they win the debate? Like if we're sticking to the facts here and what Dr. John, the expert just said, why are you trying to undermine the expert?

[00:53:15] You know, it's like you clearly, I don't know if she's out to get Larissa specifically, but you clearly felt like even from a fan perspective, you know, we watch things and we see things that we don't necessarily agree with. But that's because we some stands, right? Sometimes we like rooting for our faves above all the logic, you know? And I think for her, she saw this team, this ragtag team get up there and do a half-assed job of defending themselves. And she's like, oh, well, but they still, by the parameters of the debate, they won.

[00:53:43] I didn't really love that Monique was being so hard on them in that moment. Yeah, I was shocked that, like, when she, I'm like, what's happening? Like, whoa, I really, I did not expect her to go against John so hard. Like, if she disagreed, I mean, like, oh, I thought that this, this, this, and this, and, like, I thought that they were stronger at this, this, and this. But I respected the expert and his decision on how to judge a debate. So congratulations, team.

[00:54:12] Like, that would be normal. I thought it was, it was definitely, the punishment didn't fit the crime here. I was like, whoa, we got big. I was, I was reactive. Oh, yeah. Let's watch the rest of Monique's reaction. I don't like Larissa. Larissa, as I told you, you ain't that special for me to point you out and say, I don't like you. And the reason why I'm having this conversation with you is because not too long ago, Monique was Larissa. And somebody had to dig in my ass repeatedly and said, listen, little girl, grow up.

[00:54:40] Because you walk around with a chip on your shoulder and life will whip your ass if you keep acting like that. And I'm still staying strong on it. Grow up. Know what you're talking about before you start talking. Now, you done pissed me off. So, mini Monique is Larissa. Okay. Well, you know, it's very funny that Monique is basically saying like, I used to be you before life got me together. And now I had to grow up. But, Monique. You're acting like Marissa in this moment. Are you not?

[00:55:09] Right. Like, Monique, do you need charm school? Because why did you come from behind the judge's desk, lean over that woman's table, and start pointing at her. Right. And start pointing at her face. Lady. If you want to fight, just say that. Because it looked like you want to fight. A little unhinged. A little unhinged. Kind of like when maybe she's trying to recreate the, we were rooting for you. Like, maybe that just happened. And how did that age? Oh, my God.

[00:55:39] Is there going to be like a, oh, my God. Oh, my God. Maybe we need to produce that. We go and we interview all the people, like all the past contestants and whatnot. And we put together, like, behind the Flavor of Love, like, franchise or whatever. Like, what was it really like to be, da, da, da, da, da. Like, to be besides something with the shit. Like, you know, like, what was it really like? Right. Let's start asking their point of view. Right. Yes.

[00:56:10] Brittany points out, yes, Larissa is young. But also, I wouldn't want someone getting in my face and treating me like a child. Right. Monique, we all grown. We all grown. You can't come. You can't be telling me I got to grow up and stop acting, popping off and yelling at everybody and da, da, da, da. When you're doing the same thing, headmistress, you can't come across that room and get in my face. Because had Larissa stood up and gotten her face, they would have kicked her off the show. You know, and it's like, look, Monique, you are the host, but you can't let this girl get you out of character. And so I always looked at this as crazy.

[00:56:40] Like, imagine if a teacher did that to you. You'd be shocked. I think it's happened to me before. And you're just like, I get triggered. I guess they triggered you. Right. Right. Why are you acting like this? Who needs to grow up? Me or the teacher? You need to keep composed. Like, if you're teaching me composure by being uncomposed, that doesn't make any sense. Yeah. I wonder if she's going to apologize eventually for that, because it was definitely out of line.

[00:57:07] That now you done pissed me off is the most iconic reaction video I've seen from this episode of Charm School. How much older is Monique to all of them? I would imagine Monique was in her late 30s. Like a decade? Oh, late 30s. Yeah, late 30s. She probably was about 40 years old, I think, at this time, if I had to guess. Because in the Parkers, she was playing a 32-year-old, I want to say, in the Parkers. And that was years before this.

[00:57:34] So if it's true to form, I mean, she could have been playing her older woman, but I've always assumed that she was probably around 40 years old. Okay. So, you know, Monique can live some life by then. So not to say that Monique would be a bad headmistress, but I just don't think you should be acting like that. So whatever. Crystal wasn't surprised that her team lost, because she's really good at being on losing teams, she said. It's what she expected. Brooke, on the other hand, agrees with Larissa that they won and Monique was still bagging

[00:58:04] on them. But Larissa is not afraid to speak her mind. They all end up running off to an off-campus pub for a little drinking. And this is one of the few times we get to see the Flavor of Love Girls in public with people. Yeah, drinking, smoking, and straight west coasting, as Becky Buckwild will say. We see them chugging drinks, dancing on tables, twerking, and Brooke is being encouraged to kiss on random men, who she is kissing.

[00:58:32] So, Safira says, charm school, bitches out of control. And we see another fight pop off. This time between Layleen and Larissa. What did you think was happening in this fight? I don't really, well, I think what sometimes happens when somebody's like kind of weak, like people, like it's easy for people to want to like beat them down, unfortunately.

[00:58:59] And so I think that it's just like the dynamic between like somebody that's a little insecure and alpha, and then someone who's insecure and beta, the alpha is just going to kind of attack. And I just feel like it was just like a bit of an attack on Layleen. Can I say something controversial? I was team Larissa on this one too. And only at the beginning. Here's why.

[00:59:26] Because it looks like Layleen does not appreciate that Larissa is not taking the criticism she got from Monique. You know, she's talking about on the bus, like I'm going to speak my mind. She ain't going to, she, she hating on me, blah, blah, blah. Layleen is drunk. Larissa is drunk. The alcohol is flowing. And now Layleen got a little liquid courage in her. And so she goes up to Larissa and says, Hey, you really need to stop being so hard on Monique. She's trying to help you. And Larissa is kind of like, no, she's not. She's hating, blah, blah, blah.

[00:59:55] And Layleen is like, okay, but don't you feel like you're embarrassing yourself? Like, how do you think your mom is going to feel about this? Are you, are you proud of the type of person you're being? Layleen is really asking the hard hitting questions to Larissa, basically being like, kind of trying to play Monique's advocate, right? Like, when are you going to grow up? That kind of thing. And when she says, do you think your mom would be proud of this? Larissa says, yes. And then Layleen's like, well, I have a daughter at home.

[01:00:25] And that is when Larissa finally fights back. She takes the deepest breath and she goes, wait a minute. You want to talk about being a mother and you're a stripper. Like, were you thinking about your kids when you started taking off their clothes for money? And at that point, all hell has broken loose. Right. No, I definitely see your point. Like, who are you, Layleen, to like be giving me some, some advice here? Right. Are they friends? They're not even friends, right?

[01:00:55] So I definitely don't think it was her place to say anything. And so I understand Larissa kind of having a reaction. But it's a low blow, deep cut. It's a low blow. Taking off your clothes for money. Were you thinking about your kids then? Like, I definitely know that that must have hurt Layleen a lot just for the fact that she probably was doing it so she could take care of her kids. It's the only way that she kind of knew how.

[01:01:23] That's like, you know, you make really good money this way. And if you say she dropped out of school when she was grade 11, then she may not have that many other skills that she can rely on. Or she's not confident in any other skills to make money to take care of her children. So that probably really hurt her, which it did. Made her mad. Oh, it made her mad. So I don't agree with what Larissa said to her. But Layleen definitely started this fight. Leave people alone. You know, like if you don't want the heat, stay out the kitchen.

[01:01:53] And she definitely hopped in there. I do blame the alcohol. They were clearly both drunk. Let's watch the argument. Are you going to fight the whole world? No. Let me tell you something about me. Yeah, but I don't know about you, but honestly, I don't know that you're not going to see I know who I am. I know who I am. And I know the type of person that I am. I will never. Who the f*** is she to tell me what the f*** to do? I'm grown and so is she.

[01:02:23] So she better back the f*** back. I have a daughter at home. So you think my daughter can watch? Let me tell you something. Layleen, you know what? I'm sick of this s***. So you just go there. I'm going to go there.

[01:02:53] I'm going to hit you, girl. Is that true as a chat? All I'm thinking right now is you don't know who the f*** you messing with right now, Layleen. You better back the f*** up and quickly because once I drop you, you will regret what you're trying to do.

[01:03:29] She got me so mad, but I don't want to show that I'm strong out of rage and anger. Drop her ass, bitch! No, no, Layleen! So yeah, like I said, Layleen takes the offensive here first. You know, it's very much boots. Larissa backed into a corner listening to Layleen, preaching her about how you want to be proud of this and blah, blah.

[01:03:55] Basically trying to do the same thing that Monique was doing, which is I want to shake the sense into you almost. Until Larissa realizes, damn, you really are coming down on me hard. Like you ain't got your own issues in your life. She starts talking about her being a stripper mom and it's a wrap from there. Spock girls, they're throwing, it looks like they're about to throw hands. Good TV though. They might have. I mean, if they weren't on a TV show and this fight had happened, I think it would have gotten physical.

[01:04:24] I think the fact that they were on a show, they kind of, you know, like, just hold me back, you know, type five. And like, I feel like Becky would have wanted to get in there with some blows, you know what I mean? But I think it's because they're on a TV show. I think Larissa would have fought Layleen. I don't know if Layleen would have fought Larissa. You know, they were definitely, they were holding Larissa. Did she say, I want to hit you? She did. She said it. She said, I want to hit you. Yeah. And I was kind of like, well, not do it, but let them go.

[01:04:54] Are you sure about that? Yeah. Let them fight. Yeah, let them fight. Last clip I want to show is Safari showing up for this because she is my favorite. She's like, girl, what happened? I saw my mothering skills. I'm like, I'm not going to entertain that. She's a little girl. They said I know Layleen is boating her way out the restaurant or something, so I'm trying to talk to her. You don't seem to understand that. America's watching you. I have a little girl. She's like, oh, you want to go on about little girl? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, this bitch is crazy. I know why I'm dancing.

[01:05:23] You know, if I had to dance and swallow my pride so I could put food on the table, I would do that with integrity and pride. I am not ashamed of that, you know? Right. With the times my mothering skills, you don't live with me 24-7. I'm a freaking grown woman with kids. I am not going to entertain her, but I am not going to have to want to stop my mothering skills. Not going to have to. Whoa, you mad. Whoa, you mad, huh?

[01:05:53] Was it only me that when she said, if I have to swallow, and I was like. I was just like, oh, swallow her pride. Oh, Jesus Christ. Layleen, listen. I really wasn't sure what she was going to say there. I wasn't sure. Yeah. Yeah. She's a damn good mother. Happy Mother's Day, Layleen, wherever you are. We are filming this on Mother's Day.

[01:06:21] Shout out to all the mamas, mamas, baby mamas, and all the other mamas who are out here listening to this and who aren't. Yeah. Iconic television for Mother's Day. It's iconic television. It is homage to all mothers out there who've had to swallow their pride to take care of their children. Yeah, exactly. So Larissa's back on the bus, but she's still going off. She's like doing the thing where you antagonize a person by talking about them like they can't hear you.

[01:06:52] She's like, and day one, Layleen knew she was weak. You know, she's doing stuff like that. Becky is still focused on Crystal going home because she was put up twice and is doing the same thing over again. She says she makes me want to vomit in my mouth and then throw up and then vomit in my mouth again. And then, of course, we get to Larissa and the other girls kind of picking on Layleen, talking shit about her when she's right outside the room. Um, they, they finally get to the, uh, ceremony.

[01:07:19] And of course, uh, the lesson was on debate. Monique says, Larissa, your team won. Congratulations. You aren't going to be experienced. I was like, it's salt. Sounded a little salty, Monique. I'm just saying. Yeah. A little bit too much salt there, but that seems like maybe the producers were like, um, what happened there? And Monique was like, fine, I'll apologize. You know, like, uh, it didn't seem like an apology, but you know, whatever.

[01:07:48] Um, so, um, they ended up talking about how this school is, was designed for the girls to, uh, to get the knowledge, to improve themselves. And one of the girls is showing her all the wrong things. And guess what? Larissa, it's you. Larissa says, why are you trying to beat me down in the competition? The world beating me down hasn't worked. So why are you trying this tactic again? And Monique says, sometimes it's unfortunate that people only hear the bad things because when life gets ahold of you, it uses no Vaseline.

[01:08:18] It simply bends you over and it's very painful. I'm like, did something happen to Monique? Even Becky was like, what? We were looking around like, swallowing my pride. Like, oh my God. Okay. No lube. Bent over. Painful. Whoa. Um. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I want to know what happened, but.

[01:08:47] Mr. Roybot reminding you, water-based and also, uh, you know, flared bottom. Okay. Flared base. Um. Layleen's team is up for elimination. Uh, and, um, Sapphira gets called down, but she thinks it should only be Crystal. Keith says Safari put up a wall. Mickey says she did better than she expected, but she made some mistakes. She kept interrupting and that was against the rules. Uh, Layleen gets called down.

[01:09:15] Keith talks about how she's comfortable allowing people, other people to win. Mickey says she hoped to see more confidence after the, the, um, the modeling challenge. Uh, and Layleen even admits that sometimes she buckles, but Safari's like, she's a psycho. I'm okay with her going. Crystal gets called down for the third time in a row. As we know, this will be her eliminated because she could even sell herself to get on the team. Even though talking about herself is her best asset.

[01:09:40] Crystal says that when Safari asked, uh, you know, who wanted to sit this and out, she was like, it's fine. Y'all don't want me to do this. Do your job. It's okay. And Safari's like, girl, that's not what you said. You said, fuck you. And she's like, no, I swear on my mother who's still alive, who I love dearly. I said, do your job. I'm okay with this. Chantel, who is lying here? Safari or Crystal? Crystal was lying. Crystal is lying. Well, they even showed a clip, right?

[01:10:08] They told a little flashback of her, like, well, and I remember her being salty and like stomping off and like going. And so I punch all of y'all in the face. Yeah, that's definitely unless it's a new language that I do not understand. Um, but that wasn't a graceful sitting out of this one.

[01:10:29] Yeah, she maintains that she's, she just went down politely and she didn't want to put back too much of a fire here because she's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. She feels like had she made a point of wanting to be on the team, people would have been like, oh, you're making it about you again. But because she sat out, people are like, oh, well, you're still making it about you. Um, they, Monique tells Lailene, don't let, don't let people convince you it's okay to step down because people will start stepping on you.

[01:10:57] She then asked Crystal, well, if not you, who should have been benched? And she says, Safari should have been benched. Monique could tell that this is irritating Safari. So she gives Safari a chance to respond. And she says, Crystal was benched because Crystal wants to make things about herself. Says, uh, of course, Crystal was like, that's not what happened. I was, I gracefully stepped down and Safari was like, no, you said, fuck you. Even when I was trying to have your back.

[01:11:26] Uh, she says, Crystal should go home because she's sick of her body and her big man face. I'm sick of her and I'm ready to her for her to go home. Man face. Do you love being able to reenact, uh, Safari? She's the best. She's the best. You're a highlight. What was her favorite quote today? Oh, no, your favorite quote. Oh, Skat, Skat, Skank. Oh, uh, no, Tramp.

[01:11:56] That was just what a hoe would do. She said, you sneaky tramp. Sneaky tramp, sneaky tramp. Sneaky tramp is good. Um, did she raise your breast in front of her, in front of your face? Uh, showing her nipples to your lips. Yes. I said nipples to lips. Uh, that's a good one. Don't hit me with flowers is another good one. Um, oh, you mad, huh? That's another good one. Uh, yeah.

[01:12:22] Safari delivering all cylinders, but, uh, sick of her body and her big man face. I'm sick of her and I'm ready for her to go home. Man face. Um, that's a top tier one as well. But yeah, she's, she's funny. She's good. She's got some good clap backs. And with Crystal going home, Safari is very happy. She does the push the bitch out song. That push the bitch out, push the bitch back, push that bitch up out the house. Um, yeah. Safari, right up. So, Safari, she gets there.

[01:12:53] I mean, is Safari re-winning this season? I don't, well, I don't know what it takes to win this season, right? Is it just going to be a Dara or a Courtney? You know what I mean? People that are likable, that are doing decently well in challenges, are delivering in the challenges as well. Um, yeah, like, I don't know who's going to, who's going to win this. What are we, what are we voting it on? You know, I guess it's just the week to week and who's left over, but.

[01:13:21] Uh, yeah, we haven't really made any, like, strong winner predictions or whatever. I think you had predicted that Shatar would win. If that, am I, am I mistaken? We're going to get a hottie win. Uh, yeah. So, I mean, look, I'll take the entertainment for sure. Uh, make no mistake. So, uh, if that's what happens and that's what happens, we'll take that. Uh, but I do think, yeah, we're going to need to see some growth from these people. They can't keep doing the same thing. I think we've seen some good moments from, uh, Rebecca Johnston.

[01:13:48] I think her, her code switching over to Rebecca Johnston, whenever she needs to do these serious challenges is good. Uh, I don't think we've seen a lot of growth from Brooke. Uh, you know, Safari, I think you pointed out Dara, Courtney, they've also been doing pretty well. Lailene looks like she's unraveling right now. So I don't know how that's going to go. What do you think about Shay potentially winning? She's been kind of quiet, but she did a good job this episode. Um, she's been kind of quiet though.

[01:14:17] So I need to see her either like in something that she's good at or not good at. Like, I just need to see how she reacts and when she's in the hot seat a little bit more. So I'm not sure she's, she's not giving winners. She's not standing out at all. Um, and so I don't know if they're just like hiding the winner, you know, or if she just is not that, uh, uh, like part of the season that they're just like not showing her that much. Cause like Becky, they're showing a lot. Like Becky narrates a lot, shows a lot.

[01:14:45] Like, does that mean that she's going to last long? Probably. We shall see. We are at our final eight. So, uh, our last contestants in no particular order. Lailene, Shay, Safari, Becky, Shatar, Dara, Courtney, Larissa, and Brooke. Um, this is a good solid final eight. I love them. Let them all play the traitors.

[01:15:14] Traitors charm school coming soon where it's just the cast of the traitors. I'll take it. I kind of also wouldn't mind switching them all to be the final eight of Survivor 50. Look, look, they're just saying they got some fire on their team and Safari as well. So I wouldn't root against them. Uh, but yeah, that's the end of the episode. What did you think about this episode as far as, uh, compared to the other ones? This is, uh, I know this is a fan favorite episode for a lot of people. I mean, I enjoyed it.

[01:15:42] You've kind of pointed out some of like the, the sound bites that happened this episode. I like a debate in general. I think that they could have chosen a better debate topic. Um, but they might've chosen this one cause it was a little bit confusing. You know what I mean? Like it wasn't as clear of a topic as they could have made. Um, but all in all, I thought that was a great episode. Uh, quite fun. Uh, I laughed. I was shocked.

[01:16:09] I was thoroughly entertained. So it was great. Yes. Uh, I totally agree. The next episode is called, you know, I love this part. Yeah. Uh, let's look at what the episode is called. Uh, next episode is called big stink at charm school. You think something's coming back to shit on the stairs again? Yes. It was a big stink.

[01:16:38] What's the rest of it? The big stink at charm, at charm school. At charm school. Big stink at charm school. So maybe a couple people coming back. We know that New York's coming back at some point. So maybe New York and something coming back at the same time. Uh, because it was New York's, was it her episode where she came to the season two where something did something? Oh, she missed that one. She did come at the end of that episode, but she wasn't there when something shat. She showed up after the fact.

[01:17:08] The episode starts with something shatting and then it ends with New York coming back. So, I mean, maybe we need to bookend this episode with something in New York. I don't know if it's a throwback. I'll look. If this is the episode where New York is coming back, then I'll take it. But I'm very excited because I think I remember, uh, what happens in this episode and I'm already getting hyped for it.

[01:17:32] Uh, I will put that episode in the show notes so people can watch along with us. So you should be able to catch, uh, episode, uh, five, uh, big stink at charm school in our show notes. If you are watching along with us, big shout out to everybody who showed up in the chat. I saw that was Adam, uh, Lameo, I think 9,000 has showed up at some point said I caught, caught the live as it ends. Thank you for catching the live as it ends. Honey kid, we do not take Venmo tips yet.

[01:18:02] Yeah. So, um, I mean, I don't, do you have a Venmo? No, I think I, I, I will, we'll work it out. No worries, honey kid. Uh, we're going to work it out. I think you could tip on YouTube. Uh, if it's like, yeah, I think there's a thing, but we're going to figure all of that out and more. Cause we want to keep delivering more content so everybody can have a good time watching it. Especially now that we've found the links to these episodes. You all can watch along. I will put the episode that we are talking about and the following episode in the show notes.

[01:18:31] Every week so that you can follow along and be abreast of what's going on. Please no spoilers for the comment section because Chantel has not seen anything. So don't be DMing her, letting her know and spoiling the episodes for us because we're trying to have this journey and watch her reactions. As we go through this Chantel, where can the people find you until we come back next time to talk about that big stink? So I've been covering with Grace Leader over on Tastemakers, uh, Euphoria season three.

[01:19:00] So we will be talking tomorrow about episode four and then that should drop sometime next week, usually on Tuesday. On my channel, I've been talking about season 50 of Survivor, just doing a little bit of a bingo, which I just did a little bit before I came on with Chappelle here today. I'm usually going earlier in the week, but I was in New York, uh, for the live event.

[01:19:20] So I wasn't able to do my recap beforehand, but Love Island season eight and Love Island UK season 13 is coming out at the beginning of June. So I will be covering both of those shows to see if I can handle it for the whole summer. Uh, so definitely subscribe to reality realness with three S's on YouTube. So you could watch me cover all of that stuff. All right. Yes, that's reality, uh, reality realness with three S's.

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[01:20:15] Chantel and I have the whole thing, but I am open to talking about other, uh, things, especially reality TV. Uh, but yeah, let me know what you think. And then, uh, tune in next week as we talk about more charm school class is now over, but we'll be back again. Uh, to continue this journey into the flavor of love cinematic universe next week, live here on YouTube, youtube.com slash at recap, keep back. All right, everybody. Peace. I've been trapped behind this wall.

[01:20:58] Got damn self.