Clipped Episodes 1 & 2 Review

[00:00:00] Another episode of Recap Kickback where we talk about movies, we talk about music, we

[00:00:21] talk about television or whatever else I want to talk about.

[00:00:25] me your host Chappelle and this week we are going to be discussing the new FX show that

[00:00:31] is now streaming also on Hulu called Clipped, the scandalous story of LA's other basketball

[00:00:38] team.

[00:00:39] That's right, we're going to be talking about the LA Clippers, Donald Sterling and Lawrence

[00:00:43] Fischberg and whatever is going on with his face.

[00:00:46] And with me to talk about that I had to bring in some sports experts from the Duo Sports

[00:00:52] and Stuff podcast.

[00:00:54] We have Deontay and Dane.

[00:00:57] What's up y'all?

[00:00:58] Welcome fellas.

[00:00:59] What's up Chappelle man, appreciate you for having us on man.

[00:01:02] Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you so much for having us man.

[00:01:05] Oh man, no it's my pleasure.

[00:01:06] I've been dying to get y'all on here for a long time.

[00:01:09] I ain't been in the game that long but I knew when I got rolling I needed to have the Duo

[00:01:13] come on and join me to talk about sports at some point.

[00:01:17] And this, this here, I don't even know how much sports we're going to actually talk about

[00:01:22] because Clipped, from what I can tell, is going to be a wild season of television.

[00:01:27] It's going to be a wild series and it's going to be so much fun discussing it with the both

[00:01:32] of you.

[00:01:34] But before we get into all of that, could you please let everybody know what y'all do,

[00:01:39] who the Duo is, where you come from?

[00:01:42] Lace us up on why exactly I had to call you two specifically to talk about this one.

[00:01:47] Yeah man, I appreciate you.

[00:01:50] I am Deontay Epps, one half of the Duo Sports and Stuff podcast from Killeen, Texas, Central

[00:01:57] Texas, graduate of Baylor University.

[00:02:00] You know how it goes.

[00:02:01] But now I'm living in Connecticut in July.

[00:02:04] July will make two years already, it's gone by so fast that Karina and I, my wife have

[00:02:09] lived up here.

[00:02:10] Of course Brandon, you know my wife pretty well.

[00:02:15] And yeah, I work for a company with the four letters that you might see on certain sports

[00:02:22] kind of topics and things of that nature.

[00:02:24] But yeah, I've been doing that for two years now and excited man, excited to be here, excited

[00:02:29] to get it cracking.

[00:02:30] And yeah, and the other part, and I let Dane go after me is that we have a podcast that

[00:02:37] we started back in November of 2019.

[00:02:40] Oh my God.

[00:02:43] 2019?

[00:02:44] It's been a while.

[00:02:47] It was pre, yeah, we started pre-COVID because our 11th episode like was right after COVID

[00:02:54] dropped and I remember Dane was like,

[00:02:56] COVID dropped?

[00:02:57] Like it was a mixtape?

[00:02:58] We dropped it, we like, hey man.

[00:03:01] We dropped COVID.

[00:03:03] But it was, we were just talking about, you know, sports shutting down and all that.

[00:03:07] But that was so long ago.

[00:03:09] We had to kind of shut down the pod for a while to kind of get things situated since

[00:03:14] I came up here and you know, life things happen in our lives.

[00:03:17] So we'll talk about that later.

[00:03:19] But we're trying to do a little something in the future.

[00:03:22] But Dane go ahead, bro.

[00:03:23] I took a lot of time.

[00:03:24] Yeah, yeah.

[00:03:25] No, no, I think you hit the nail on the head.

[00:03:27] My name is Dane Beasley.

[00:03:28] I'm the other half of the duo.

[00:03:33] Sounds weird saying this after so long.

[00:03:35] My goodness.

[00:03:36] Yeah.

[00:03:37] I'm Jackie.

[00:03:38] Right, right.

[00:03:39] So yeah, from Killeen, Texas as well.

[00:03:43] Sam Houston State University grad over there in Huntsville, Texas.

[00:03:47] So I'm up here in North Texas now, your favorite or second favorite HR professional at one

[00:03:55] of these ISDs.

[00:03:56] So trying to make sure these kids get a quality education out here and ensure that people

[00:04:01] have the support that they need to do their job and do their job well.

[00:04:05] And in the meantime, on the side, we'll talk some sports and maybe a little bit of a drama

[00:04:11] to go with it.

[00:04:12] So yeah, thank you.

[00:04:13] Thank you.

[00:04:14] Thank you for having me.

[00:04:15] Oh, no, it's no problem.

[00:04:16] I had to pull you out of retirement.

[00:04:18] So Dane, when you say sports and stuff, what do you mean stuff?

[00:04:22] Man, how much time you got, brother?

[00:04:25] So we got, we, you know, we've covered a vast majority of topics just over a short period

[00:04:31] of time, you know, since 2019 from, you know, social issues, from TV shows, different topics

[00:04:38] that, you know, that have taken the internet by storm.

[00:04:42] But just, you know, a number of other things.

[00:04:44] It's sort of like a catch all.

[00:04:46] It's like as other duties are assigned with your job description.

[00:04:49] That's what that part is.

[00:04:50] Now, I'm going to tell you, your listeners, Chappelle, if y'all go in there right now,

[00:04:56] they were like, man, he didn't do nothing.

[00:04:59] So I'm like, man, they ain't real.

[00:05:02] They ain't dropped nothing in a whole year.

[00:05:04] I know we've gone through some things, life things, but we're coming back.

[00:05:08] Be patient.

[00:05:09] Format will be a little different.

[00:05:11] But as Dane said, on the stuff side, we discussed Marvel previously.

[00:05:16] So if you're a fan of Marvel, go check out some of our stuff.

[00:05:19] We've had some great guests in the world of sports, big names from the four letter company,

[00:05:24] the sports world, people that, you know, on Netflix, we have some Netflix stars come

[00:05:30] on our show as well to discuss certain topics.

[00:05:32] We've had our very own Chappelle, who's the host of this show, come on and our show and

[00:05:39] talk.

[00:05:40] I can't remember what we even talked about that day, but he came on our episode as well.

[00:05:44] But it's great.

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[00:05:52] So we will be back soon.

[00:05:54] I'm so excited.

[00:05:55] There's more.

[00:05:56] There's no going to win no more, but it's going to be there.

[00:06:00] There will be more.

[00:06:01] Trust me.

[00:06:02] And listen, I am a big fan of both of y'all.

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[00:06:46] So that said, Clipped!

[00:06:48] Clipped!

[00:06:50] Clipped!

[00:06:51] Clipped!

[00:06:52] Y'all.

[00:06:53] Okay.

[00:06:54] So for the people who do not know what I'm about to talk about, Clipped is a sports miniseries

[00:06:58] that explores the fall of Donald Sterling and his career as the owner of the LA Clippers.

[00:07:04] Now this was a very scandalous time in sports, in basketball specifically.

[00:07:11] And there's so much to dive into in this series.

[00:07:16] Deontay, did you know this was coming?

[00:07:20] I did.

[00:07:21] I saw maybe somebody tweeted about it a few months ago, but honestly bro, when you texted

[00:07:27] me to ask if we wanted to be on the show, I totally forgot about it.

[00:07:33] And when you said it was like, I think you said it drops Tuesday or whatever.

[00:07:37] And I was like, oh snap.

[00:07:38] I completely forgot.

[00:07:40] So it brought me back of course to that time and then I watched the episodes and it really

[00:07:45] brought me back.

[00:07:46] But yeah, it's as wild as you're describing.

[00:07:49] If people haven't seen it yet, of course you shouldn't be listening to this yet.

[00:07:52] So you should watch the show or the episode and come back.

[00:07:55] But it's a wild ride for sure.

[00:07:57] Yeah.

[00:07:58] Not to get into any spoilers, Dane, but yeah.

[00:08:00] Did you enjoy watching the first two episodes of Clipped?

[00:08:03] Because we're watching episodes one and two.

[00:08:05] They have dropped.

[00:08:06] And then after this, they will drop weekly episodes until the series is over.

[00:08:10] But did you have fun watching this?

[00:08:12] I did.

[00:08:14] I thoroughly enjoyed the content that came across my screen.

[00:08:18] So in all actuality, when I saw the trailer, I thought it was one of those fan made joints,

[00:08:22] you know, people going through some nice Clipped different stuff.

[00:08:25] Because I was like, is that?

[00:08:28] That's not.

[00:08:29] Is that Morpheus?

[00:08:30] What is he doing?

[00:08:31] Is that?

[00:08:32] Okay.

[00:08:33] Not Morpheus.

[00:08:34] So yeah, it was very enjoyable.

[00:08:36] Very enjoyable.

[00:08:37] And I look forward to every episode that follows just because of the sure theatrics that are

[00:08:42] involved with everything unraveled.

[00:08:44] Oh, yeah.

[00:08:45] Do we know how many episodes it's going to be?

[00:08:47] I think so.

[00:08:48] Six or seven, right?

[00:08:49] Okay.

[00:08:50] I guess Hulu wasn't showing them all.

[00:08:52] It only showed like up to four when I looked at Hulu today.

[00:08:56] So maybe it's just.

[00:08:58] There are six.

[00:08:59] So this will go through from June through the July 2nd, I believe is the finale date.

[00:09:06] And so yeah, it'll take about a month to wrap this all up.

[00:09:09] But like I said, we jumped in and got the first two out the way already.

[00:09:12] And so if you have not watched the episode, this is my quick little synopsis for you

[00:09:17] if you plan on watching it.

[00:09:20] And then we'll get into some spoilers and some of the bigger plot points.

[00:09:23] But again, this is about LA's other basketball team.

[00:09:27] The Clippers had not won a championship in years and years and years ever.

[00:09:32] They'd only made out of the first round of playoffs, I think twice in their entire franchise

[00:09:37] history.

[00:09:39] And so they were in a time where people weren't taking them seriously.

[00:09:43] And they had a very unserious owner named Donald Sterling.

[00:09:47] Donald Sterling will then go on to say some very vile things about minorities and live

[00:09:52] his life in a way that is just deplorable.

[00:09:55] And quite frankly, they got him about the paint eventually.

[00:09:58] It was all in the news.

[00:09:59] It was all over the place.

[00:10:00] And it all started with his assistant, in quotation marks, his assistant, V. Stiviano,

[00:10:08] who many people might recognize from her interviews that she's done and some other scandalous

[00:10:12] things that have come out about her.

[00:10:14] So this series will follow what happens when you piss off your assistant slash sugar baby

[00:10:21] way too much.

[00:10:22] And you have also given her full license to record every conversation that y'all had.

[00:10:27] So that's the story.

[00:10:30] That is the overarching theme of the show.

[00:10:32] I'm telling you right now, it's crazy.

[00:10:34] Episodes one and two were wild.

[00:10:37] This is your time to jump out of here because we are about to spoil this and we're about

[00:10:40] to talk about this in full detail.

[00:10:42] So if y'all are ready, the duo, y'all good with that?

[00:10:45] Let's get it, man.

[00:10:46] Spoiler alert.

[00:10:47] Spoiler alert.

[00:10:48] All right.

[00:10:49] All right.

[00:10:50] Cool.

[00:10:51] This man, Donald Sterling, is a monster.

[00:10:53] It's a minute of a human.

[00:10:55] OK?

[00:10:56] I knew.

[00:10:57] I knew.

[00:10:58] I saw the news.

[00:10:59] I knew that this man said some wild things.

[00:11:02] But the cast of this show, the way they have casted Ed O'Neill as Donald Sterling to just

[00:11:09] be this just completely unlikable racist, just almost senile, rich individual.

[00:11:19] Deontay, is this your king?

[00:11:22] This your boy, huh?

[00:11:23] You know, you like.

[00:11:24] Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[00:11:26] But it did remind me of somebody that that's in the news currently.

[00:11:31] Everybody knows about that.

[00:11:33] But one thing I did or did not expect from the show was like, they get right into it,

[00:11:38] like off the jump straight to, you know, it's narrated by the assistant and it gets right

[00:11:47] into the recordings and it takes you like it starts from beginning or should I say starts

[00:11:53] at the end with having the recording and then takes you back to how it all began and through

[00:11:58] that little era.

[00:11:59] But what I literally texted Dane yesterday while I was watching, I was like, man, Ed O'Neill

[00:12:05] is kind of acting his ass off because he immediately, like you said, makes you just hate his guts

[00:12:13] to the core.

[00:12:15] And I went back.

[00:12:16] I actually went back earlier today and listened to the actual TMZ like real life ones and

[00:12:23] like the way they kind of mirrored it.

[00:12:24] I kind of I mean, they they kind of they didn't tweak it, but it's like mirror to mirror,

[00:12:30] like exactly how they're both sounding, the way they're pronouncing their words, the way

[00:12:35] I know you're going to get into this as well, but just the cringiness of it all.

[00:12:41] It just really brought me back to that time when, you know, it actually made the Clippers

[00:12:47] relevant and not the best way for them.

[00:12:49] But to this day, it's like what the Clippers are known for now out of anything else.

[00:12:55] So I enjoy the acting from Ed O'Neill for sure.

[00:12:59] And even from Lawrence Fishburne, even though he's not doing the full Doc Rivers voice,

[00:13:04] I probably would enjoy that even more.

[00:13:06] But from those two, I really felt their characters.

[00:13:11] I'm not sure about anybody else, but I'm sure we'll get into that.

[00:13:14] But I enjoy those two, the way they portray their characters.

[00:13:17] Yeah, we'll get into the cast as well.

[00:13:19] But Dane, yeah, you remember when this was in the news.

[00:13:23] Did you did you expect for it to be portrayed this badly?

[00:13:26] Because this looks awful.

[00:13:28] You know how you watch the movie when you're a kid and then you watch it years later like

[00:13:35] damn, was this really this bad?

[00:13:39] So that's how it felt.

[00:13:42] So that's how it felt.

[00:13:43] You know, give it I mean, it's one thing when you get to experience something a very long

[00:13:49] time ago.

[00:13:50] And this is pretty fresh.

[00:13:51] The band aid, the band aid was ripped off not so long ago.

[00:13:54] So again, it doesn't bring I'm not going to sit here and lie to you and say it doesn't

[00:13:58] bring great joy to my heart as a lifelong L.A.

[00:14:01] Lakers fan watching all this replay.

[00:14:04] But what I will say is that.

[00:14:08] I'm going to watch every second of it just because in a historical sense, when I want

[00:14:12] to see the accuracy of it, I want to see, all right, how well these people line up in terms

[00:14:17] of the casting and then the actual person.

[00:14:19] And then three, like the other nuances that we are well aware of, like and I'm sure we'll

[00:14:24] get into it later, just how some athletes, some point guards or point guards, as people

[00:14:30] call them, have little man syndrome and how that plays out in the little little jabs they

[00:14:35] take these particular characters and instances.

[00:14:37] It's it's been quite enjoyable.

[00:14:40] Yeah. And as a Lakers fan, you've been through this before because you've seen what winning

[00:14:44] time, I'm sure. Right.

[00:14:45] And some of the other.

[00:14:47] Yeah. So is this very similar to that kind of feel like where it's like those true events,

[00:14:52] but we kind of put our own spin on it?

[00:14:54] So, yes. And I will say I started winning time and I didn't finish it only because I

[00:14:58] realized I got canceled.

[00:14:59] Like, man, I kind of feel like that part is it's taken away from me.

[00:15:03] The the the pinnacle of the existence of the show.

[00:15:06] But one thing I will say about winning, not to compare the two, but it's like, how is

[00:15:12] DeAndre Jordan staring CP3 in the face?

[00:15:15] Like, aren't these two guys supposed to be?

[00:15:18] And that's one thing I can say, like winning time got right.

[00:15:20] Like they got all these, you know, giant mammoth tall guys that are playing these playing

[00:15:25] these actual people. And again, I know that's that's, you know, I guess it could be a

[00:15:29] of a tit for tat thing, like, well, you know, you know, they're doing these things this

[00:15:32] way and this is what I'm used to.

[00:15:34] But it's just one of those things that the tiniest, tiniest of details that brings that

[00:15:37] level of authenticity to a good show like that.

[00:15:40] So, you know, I think the winning time, even like the actors that are playing the

[00:15:46] players, not even like the height differences, like they make them real like

[00:15:50] comparable to their real life counterparts.

[00:15:52] But their acting was believable to me more than what we've seen so far in episodes

[00:15:58] one and two of Clip.

[00:16:02] And so, like, I know it's still early, but right now it's just like up here and down

[00:16:10] here with these two shows. This one's more like I laughed at winning time, but I also

[00:16:15] felt like I learned some things.

[00:16:17] Right. With Clip, I just feel like I'm laughing like 24 seven drama and like the

[00:16:23] craziness of it all. That makes sense.

[00:16:26] Yeah, I kind of feel like if you're a Clippers fan and you watch this, do you even

[00:16:30] watch this? Because I feel like, like you said, if you weren't already, they call them

[00:16:35] in this mini series a joke of a franchise at different points.

[00:16:39] But if you weren't already a joke, how is this supposed to make you feel?

[00:16:44] You know what I'm saying? It's like watching the slow moving train wreck as you're a

[00:16:47] franchise that you probably love and you buy the merch and you go to the games and you

[00:16:52] support you ride or die.

[00:16:53] This is our year.

[00:16:55] But then you understand that you a Cowboys fan, you get it.

[00:16:58] Every every year, every year.

[00:17:01] Yeah. But then you got to watch this.

[00:17:04] This reimagination of what was going on.

[00:17:08] I just can't imagine as a Clippers fan you would watch something like this.

[00:17:12] Deontay, I don't know.

[00:17:14] It's definitely another reminder, like even Lawrence Fishburne playing Doc Rivers

[00:17:20] character when he went into the office and oh boy was introducing them.

[00:17:24] Everybody, you know, he was here for 20 years, 40 years.

[00:17:27] Are you just reminding me that y'all haven't done shit for 40 years?

[00:17:31] Yeah.

[00:17:33] For 40 years. And like even if you take it to present day, how the Clippers have done

[00:17:38] like nothing's really changed.

[00:17:39] I mean, the players have changed, but they haven't.

[00:17:42] But I don't think they've gotten to the Western Conference finals.

[00:17:45] No.

[00:17:46] And you know what I'm saying?

[00:17:47] So like it's just a reminder to Clippers fans of the history of not being good.

[00:17:54] I would be so mad.

[00:17:55] I would be so mad.

[00:17:56] I'm sorry. I would be rioting the way I'd be outside the stadium right now.

[00:18:00] Like, yeah, I really don't know who greenlit this, you know, because you as a fan,

[00:18:04] you put so much of your energy into just hoping that these millionaires make more money

[00:18:10] and do well in life. Right.

[00:18:11] And this is like that person achieving their highest honor would make my little heart happy.

[00:18:16] You know what I'm saying?

[00:18:17] You got to just ignore it. Like pretend it doesn't happen.

[00:18:21] Like you see it on social media.

[00:18:22] You're muting the person that's saying you're blocking them.

[00:18:25] Like, hey, we got a new owner. We get in a new arena.

[00:18:28] They got a new arena that's opening up next season.

[00:18:30] Like I don't I don't understand that Clippers.

[00:18:33] Like I don't know them.

[00:18:35] Like that's what that's all you got to do at that point.

[00:18:37] Put your hands up.

[00:18:39] Yeah, no, it seems like and I think everyone if they have not been in a situation like this,

[00:18:45] they know somebody that has group of people inside a house making fun of somebody.

[00:18:50] You walk in the door. Everybody stops. So what y'all talk about?

[00:18:55] Oh, no, no, no, no.

[00:18:57] You talk, which I'm talking about.

[00:19:00] We was kind of making fun of you and you can either accept the joke.

[00:19:05] You know, you're not, you know, ruin the fun of the party or you can leave the party because the joke is about you.

[00:19:11] So I guess that's how Clippers fans feel right now.

[00:19:15] Me, myself personally, I would be quite embarrassed, but I don't know one Clippers fan, to be honest.

[00:19:21] That's the sentence. Yeah, I don't know one Clippers fan.

[00:19:23] I don't know one. Period.

[00:19:25] Also, I guess my. Go ahead.

[00:19:27] What could you could you could you say it?

[00:19:30] You know, I'm saying like and that's the thing.

[00:19:32] I feel like if you are a Clippers fan, you have to you celebrate.

[00:19:35] Everybody celebrates their wins. Right. And like we're all a part of different fandoms and we've all had low moments.

[00:19:40] We definitely have. So like we cannot just sit here and be like, you know, like we never had no bad years.

[00:19:45] Trust me. We all have in different sports or whatever it was.

[00:19:48] We'd all taken some L's. However.

[00:19:51] It just feels like, you know, the fandom when they start winning. Right.

[00:19:55] There's been so many scandals and so much, so much drama and so many near misses on teams and bad seasons and just,

[00:20:03] you know, stuff like that to where injuries are referred to as the Lakers little brother.

[00:20:08] That's always been the Lakers or excuse me, the Clippers.

[00:20:11] So, I mean, yeah, to your point is like. The running would you see him?

[00:20:16] Yeah. So all that to say this series is going to talk about one of the biggest blemishes on the Clippers.

[00:20:24] And that is their owner, Donald Sterling. We've talked about it a little bit, but this cast is interesting, I will say.

[00:20:32] So we talked about Ed O'Neill as Donald Sterling. Ed O'Neill is somebody who I personally love in most roles that he plays.

[00:20:38] I like them in Modern Family. It's Al Bundy as well. And this is a this is a this is a different Ed O'Neill than I'm used to.

[00:20:45] You know, this is Ed O'Neill is probably more Al Bundy than I'd like to admit.

[00:20:48] But at the same time, this guy is a oh, he's a mega racist.

[00:20:52] And I knew I remember I was there. I was 2015. They were everybody's talking about Donald Sterling.

[00:20:58] But this depiction of him is almost like incompetent to the point of like where it's comedy. Right.

[00:21:04] I think there's a scene day where he wants to take the season ticket holders into the locker room and just show just parade the players in front of them as if they're slaves.

[00:21:19] Show me a wingspan. How high can you jump? Tell us. I was like, this was happening and nobody said nothing.

[00:21:26] It's almost like this is not real. Right. Like right. This this couldn't possibly happen. Right.

[00:21:36] But it did. And it kind of it's it kind of opens the conversations like how many of these owners are like this?

[00:21:43] No, because there's so much there's so much access that we have to sports in general. Right.

[00:21:48] So much access that we have. But then there's also access that we don't have until we hear about stories like this.

[00:21:53] And unfortunately, this I mean, aside from death, this is probably one of the worst things you could possibly happen.

[00:21:59] Your reputation being dragged in the mud because of how violent and racist and misogynistic you are.

[00:22:04] So it's very that scene was very uncomfortable.

[00:22:07] And it does have to be Doc Rivers in that situation that, you know, kick kick the paparazzi out.

[00:22:13] Yeah. And you mentioned Doc, Doc, who was portrayed by Lawrence Fishburne.

[00:22:18] Deontay, you mentioned it earlier, but it's like he does. Does does he look like Doc?

[00:22:25] He don't sound like that. They gave him they gave him the doc like sprayed on hair.

[00:22:36] It looks great on me. It's like the I see the funny stuff on like TikTok and Instagram when bald dudes try to get a fade and they get the sprayed on hairline.

[00:22:49] That's what they do. Yeah, not the arm.

[00:22:55] They did my boy, Lawrence Fishburne wrong. But I will say like him portraying Doc is like I like go back to how Doc is now with, you know, when he's in the media and talking to people and stuff like that.

[00:23:11] But the mannerisms I feel like are kind of similar to how he acts or what I've seen.

[00:23:18] I wish you would have did the voice just for for giggles, you know, like just go Raspi, like, you know, just act.

[00:23:27] Doc Rivers, you get Chris Paul and, you know, just just do the full.

[00:23:32] I can't do it, but, you know, do the Doc voice. Do it. Do it. You know, but yeah, it's the trip.

[00:23:40] Lawrence Fishburne, I love this man. Right. We love him and everything he's been in.

[00:23:44] He's an iconic actor. Love highlighting the big, big name black actors on here and also lesser named black actors.

[00:23:49] Whenever I get a chance to recap kickback, you cannot say enough positive things about Lawrence Fishburne, the actor, comma, but I don't know how he ended up in this role.

[00:23:57] I do not know. I feel like as an actor, he can handle whatever you throw at him.

[00:24:02] But it's like a cartoon character of Doc Rivers. Right. And it's not even like it's not even fully cartoonist, you know, because he's not doing the voice.

[00:24:10] But it's not like I have a better casting person in mind. Like, I'm not like, oh, yeah, it should have been somebody else.

[00:24:16] But to me, I just feel like we kind of waste in Lawrence Fishburne here. I guess he bought it.

[00:24:24] That's the thing, like. Your agent in Lawrence Fishburne's shoes, like your agent calls you like, hey, man, we got a role for you.

[00:24:32] Like, what is it? You'll be in this movie about the Clippers. Oh, like, you know, you think you're like, all right, it's a sports movie, you know, you know.

[00:24:41] And it's like, oh, no, you're playing Doc Rivers during, you know, the Donald Sterling thing.

[00:24:46] I wonder what his his first response to that was, was like, hey, I'm doing it, but you're offering to pay me like Buku.

[00:24:54] But I wonder what the salary, what what Hulu, you know, the production team, whatever, put together and slid to his agent, slid to him.

[00:25:02] Like it had to be through the roof for him to accept this role. Yeah, because this is this is a weird one for Larry Fishburne.

[00:25:10] I wonder if he's a Lakers fan. Maybe that's what this is, Dan. He's here to kind of stomp on the Clippers grave, you know, take them down from the inside.

[00:25:18] Yeah, I could see that. That's a good that is a good. Oh, that's a good line to be in because you don't lose anything by, you know, you walking away from this and you high fiving all the everybody in the league.

[00:25:32] That's a. I tell you, it feels like a job, right?

[00:25:37] I'm on this man's social media if he has any call this man's social media and see if I see him courtside sitting next to Jack or something.

[00:25:44] I wouldn't be shocked. I really wouldn't. And if he wasn't, he will be after this because every Lakers fan is about to say, oh, yeah, they got the move.

[00:25:50] They were the move. Lawrence Fishburne right to the front of the line. OK.

[00:25:54] Also, we have Jackie Weaver as Shelly Sterling throughout Shelly Sterling.

[00:26:00] This lady is in hell. She is in hell. Her her husband.

[00:26:06] Is kind of cheating on her a little bit. Let's talk about that.

[00:26:12] Yeah, I don't know what is physical cheating.

[00:26:18] It's all cringe, like I guess. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[00:26:25] I know. I know.

[00:26:29] It's weird. I'm gonna put it that way. I wouldn't do. But personally.

[00:26:35] I always thought like in the real life scenario that it was a physical, intimate relationship and how they've depicted it on the show, that it was everything but that, like everything that a mistress or somebody that cheats on their wife would do.

[00:26:55] You know, buying everything for everything. But that now we know it's a drama of those real life events.

[00:27:06] So I'm not sure of the accuracy of that part.

[00:27:11] I really don't want to know. But I think I think they me personally, I think they didn't touch up on that just to leave that into interpretation for the viewer because I always thought that that's what went down.

[00:27:26] I thought that when I thought the going down with that.

[00:27:33] There is that scene where she drops down to her knees.

[00:27:36] Rubbing his feet.

[00:27:38] You see what the camera did?

[00:27:40] Yeah.

[00:27:42] Whoever was editing.

[00:27:45] That's a pump.

[00:27:47] Oh, go ahead. Go ahead.

[00:27:50] Well, look, the articles say that it was never the real life articles. They say it was never sexual. They've they've they maintain that. But I think anybody, you know, with some type of level of sense knows that that's probably not the case.

[00:28:04] Even though everybody involved is saying it is the case. There's. Yeah, it's probably not. So I like how the show is showing us that if you choose to believe them, you can exactly.

[00:28:15] But also, if really, really, really.

[00:28:22] Dan, he bought this woman a Ferrari.

[00:28:25] She ain't do nothing.

[00:28:31] Ferrari. A Ferrari.

[00:28:33] I don't know how to.

[00:28:39] Okay, I love my wife. My wife loves me. Right. And there would be questions. Hell, they would be a furniture would probably be moved.

[00:28:54] Consequences. Yeah.

[00:28:56] Relatives would probably be over here and they'd probably put their hands on me. Right.

[00:29:01] You can fight one, but you're not going to fight all of them. But now they'll jump you.

[00:29:05] If I just come home one day with a Ferrari and like, oh, yeah. Yeah. You know, you know, boss gave it to me. There's going to be questions.

[00:29:19] Concerns.

[00:29:21] Questions, concerns.

[00:29:26] Private investigators, newspapers, all that type of stuff is going to take place. So I guess to me, I didn't. One of the wonderings I have without, you know, going back and looking at the

[00:29:35] literature, how the hell did this all get started? Because it doesn't just start like, oh, boom. I got a Ferrari or boom.

[00:29:45] You're buying me property or boom. Like, you know, I got a business in my name or whatever. How does this thing start?

[00:29:52] Like that's what I'm trying to wrap my mind around, especially if there is anything physical that takes place. And again, not to say that there has to be anything physical, but

[00:29:58] this can't escalate like this unless I'm just naive and maybe I don't have that kind of, you know, I don't have that kind of money. I don't have that kind of access. Exactly. So what do I know?

[00:30:08] Yeah. So the series does start amidst the affair already, right? Like when we meet Donald Sterling in this role, he's already got his assistant.

[00:30:20] We are welcome into the world where the assistant is V Stiviano and she is recording everything that he says because he told her to. He's like, I can't keep up with everything that I be saying.

[00:30:32] So I need you to record it and read it back to me like it's dictation. Now that is a wild thing for somebody who says the things that he says to expect of somebody.

[00:30:41] Arrogant.

[00:30:42] Yeah, so arrogant. So the hubris on this man, but to do that with some woman who we don't, again, we don't know where she came from. We don't know how she gets there based on the series, but she's already in it.

[00:30:55] She's already riding the Ferrari. She's already got the money. He's trying, she's trying to get him to buy her a home. I'm sure he's helping pay for this adoption that she wants to do.

[00:31:04] So this entire time, we don't know what she did to get chose and put in his good graces. But he is. And so this is his 31 year old mistress. Okay.

[00:31:17] It's played by Cleopatra Coleman. Now, his wife, Shelly Sterling throughout. Yeah, she throughout. Shelly is saying that she's aware that this is Donald Sterling's girlfriend.

[00:31:31] She's aware that he's buying her all this stuff. And honestly, she says he's had girlfriends before. But this feels different because he is flaunting this woman. I mean, Deontay, the green dress courtside at the game. That is wild behavior for your mistress.

[00:31:52] Normally, I think you would want to keep that to yourself, especially with the amount of money he's been on her. Right?

[00:31:57] Well, that's where the arrogance comes in. And he's like, I mean, I'm the owner of the Clippers. Nobody's going to do anything about it. But the funny thing was seeing Doc Rivers seeing the players all react just knowing how they felt like they knew he was Buku from the beginning of all these things.

[00:32:17] Like the signs were there for them to understand that this was not a regular guy. This was a guy that flaunting like being arrogant. They didn't know about, of course, the full on racial kind of attitude he had. But there were signs like you had mentioned in the locker room, like him eyeing the players and the wingspan on DeAndre Jordan and all these other things.

[00:32:43] But yeah, man, just overall, it keeps bringing me back to reminding me of someone we all know in the public sphere right now. And it's funny. I want to say Hulu kind of did that on purpose and especially dropping her around this time with everything going on. I think that was purposeful to kind of make those comparisons.

[00:33:09] Oh, you're talking about Jerry Jones?

[00:33:11] Oh, I forgot about Jerry Jones.

[00:33:15] Well, well, that's not a joke of conclusions.

[00:33:18] Anyway, yes. So, yes, Donald Sterling is an insane person throughout this entire miniseries it seems while Doc Rivers is trying to pull this franchise up out of the gutter and his big move, this first move that he wants to make. He wants to bring in a superstar.

[00:33:43] JJ Redick.

[00:33:47] Okay, I'm going to say this the nicest way possible. Imagine thinking JJ Redick is the one piece you need to win the championship. He had a plan, Dane. What happened here? This is the championship team, right, Dane? This is the one he used, right?

[00:34:06] And left Boston where he had won already, which we didn't mention, but go ahead.

[00:34:12] Yeah, and that just so many questions. Just going back, I'm like, damn, why did you leave? And then he has a moment where he goes back and he's like, you know, everything made.

[00:34:21] It was tweezing.

[00:34:22] So JJ Redick, he wants to, you know, essentially bring this guy in, but there are of course concerns about, well, we already have somebody that, you know, is getting a large ton of money.

[00:34:34] So we can't bring in another guy. Plus we have the face of the team, which to the owner is Blake Griffin, which is whatever.

[00:34:40] Anywho, so we have to try to wine and dine him, right? Because there are other offers that he's going to entertain, which again, you want to do that.

[00:34:48] And as players, they're going to do that because you want to make sure that you want to go somewhere that you're wanting.

[00:34:52] So, you know, he's out, he's having the discussion with the owner and some other individuals and he's, you know, fighting the owner on it.

[00:34:58] And the owner isn't backing down. So they have a few instances where they go back and forth with words and essentially what the initial conversation ends with Doc Rivers, you know, getting frustrated and they hang up on the phone.

[00:35:11] And then of course get the call back and say, all right, I'm in on, you know, JJ. And I'm like, what the heck? Could have saved me all this trouble.

[00:35:17] But it just shows that this guy is really just, he's a menace. This Donald guy is a menace.

[00:35:21] He's always in the midst of something, trying to rough something up and then getting bad advice from random people that he's close with.

[00:35:28] Like, oh, I heard this guy was really good. I was like, well, no, this is what you have a coach for, a scouting department.

[00:35:34] You know, guys that work very close in the front office that do these types of things.

[00:35:38] You don't get, you know, these types of suggestions and these types of pieces of advice from people that, you know.

[00:35:44] From your sugar baby. You can say it. Listen.

[00:35:47] Yeah. And from the dentist, like, I mean, I get it. I respect it. You know, people have niches, but I'm, you know, so they end up getting JJ Redick.

[00:35:57] But it's, it kind of just seems like you get a very, very good glimpse of the future or the, what you're going to have to be dealing with.

[00:36:05] If it takes all this to get somebody that's considered a key piece to a championship winning basketball team.

[00:36:10] And the ironic part about that was him not knowing JJ Redick was white.

[00:36:16] That's why he didn't want him.

[00:36:18] So disappointed.

[00:36:20] He was like, I didn't know you was white. I'm like, bruh. Like another, another, another red flag sign right there.

[00:36:26] Right. You're so racist that you don't respect black people. You don't like them.

[00:36:33] You don't want them coming to your games and stuff like that, but you need them to work for you.

[00:36:36] This man is running a multimillion dollar plantation, essentially, and calling it the Clippers organization.

[00:36:43] And then complaining when you bring in white people to help. These Donalds, it's something about the name, Deontay.

[00:36:50] Right. The Donalds, the Donalds.

[00:36:52] The Donalds!

[00:36:54] Another funny thing that I saw, like they flash it really quick, but the different memes that they put up.

[00:37:01] Yes. I made some of them.

[00:37:03] Yeah. I paused on some of them. One was like 12 years a Clipper.

[00:37:10] That's when they had CP3 on there, right?

[00:37:13] Yeah.

[00:37:15] They had Clippers with like three Ks to start out. It was crazy.

[00:37:20] But the jokes were riding themselves back then, y'all.

[00:37:23] You've talked about it a little bit, Dane, but you bringing JJ Redick into a team that has essentially two leaders.

[00:37:30] On the one end, Chris Paul, CP3, played by J. Alphonse Nicholson. Most people would know him as Lil Murder from Pink Valley.

[00:37:40] Yeah. This man be acting.

[00:37:43] And then you got Austin Scott portraying Blake Griffin on the other side.

[00:37:47] And the dynamic between the two. I think we all hear about this kind of stuff on ESPN.

[00:37:53] Oh, this person's a locker room guy. This person, the team doesn't really like.

[00:37:56] But how did you feel, Dane, watching it kind of play out for us?

[00:38:00] And also a better question, how do you think they feel? Because you know they're watching this.

[00:38:04] What do I start? Well, along with me being a lifelong Lakers fan, I am enemy number one of one Christopher Paul III.

[00:38:15] I love CP3 slander. I live for it.

[00:38:19] There was once a time that CP3 was going to be a Laker and then, of course, that didn't happen.

[00:38:23] One of the saddest days in Lakers history. We get it.

[00:38:26] But I love nothing more than to see portrayals, memes, jokes, rants, fights, especially fights, whoo, fights that involve Chris Paul.

[00:38:36] Because this nice guy persona that he has. And again, I don't know Chris Paul.

[00:38:41] Chris Paul seemed to probably try to swing on me, hit my ankle or something. I don't know.

[00:38:45] But anyways, it's nice for the persona that he has. It doesn't matter because everybody who's close to him.

[00:38:50] And based on the way that he's being portrayed in this show, he's got a little bit of chip on his shoulder.

[00:38:57] He's kind of remarkable about it. But I based on what we know, based on the stories that we have, based on the literature that we have to reference.

[00:39:05] I think they did a pretty spot spot on job with with the way that Chris is and then just the dynamic between them trying to them both trying to be the guy.

[00:39:15] And then the beautiful thing about this is we already all this stuff has already played out.

[00:39:21] But one of the one of the things that that I value so much about this particular this role that Lawrence Fisher is playing is that he's getting to balance those different personalities in the locker room and way to play them against each other.

[00:39:35] And so the scene where he was talking to both of them and it was cut in between the scenes, I thought it was perfect.

[00:39:40] I was perfect. It was big up in one guy, trying to tap into his little man. You can be all the things you can be, but as a team like and then, of course, the way that he was handling and managing Blake Griffin was just

[00:39:53] it was an excellent way to portray how these coaches is it's a 24 seven job. They don't just coach on game days and run practice in between that there's a lot of managing personalities and we got a good glimpse of that, which is, I think, was fantastic.

[00:40:06] And what a lot of people can appreciate. But I was Chris Paul. I'd be salty.

[00:40:15] Even in that practicing day to back up your point when he got he just start ripping each and every one of them like and they were like looking at him crazy like what like why is it like that.

[00:40:28] Right. And then you can see like it was just his, you know, way of trying to get them to play harder play for one another play for each other. But yeah.

[00:40:34] Yeah, I to have a good hatred into the clippers, but due to a an agreement a verbal agreement between this one character on this show and my favorite team. The Dallas Mavericks.

[00:40:49] I will never forgive them. I will never forgive them. I will never forgive you. You know what you did. You know what you did. You know what you did.

[00:40:56] That's all I will say. Y'all know what y'all did. And so yeah, I'm gonna sit here and tap dance on your grave to and laugh at all of these silly moments because yeah, you're right. The team is not going to prosper because it has two leaders who are not they're not on the same page.

[00:41:08] The locker room is sick of Chris Paul's mouth. They like he talked too much. He talks too much trash but Blake ain't a great and a great leader. He's just not. And so you have a person who's probably a good leader that nobody wants to follow and somebody who's not not a great leader, but he has been placed as the cat in the cat's cage.

[00:41:25] And so now that Rivers has to manage all of that while also figuring out how to keep Donald Sterling at bay. There's a there's a scene in one of the episodes where they're having a business call and Donald Sterling on the conference call.

[00:41:40] He's on speakerphone just ranting just yelling random as racist and just random statements and they got him on mute and they're literally handling business like he's not even there.

[00:41:49] So it's no wonder why despite all of these other issues that they have with the Clippers. You can't get past those if your owner is just one of the worst people to ever be involved in basketball probably like I mean literally doomed from the start like everything like in any business, whether it's team oriented business related like the success of that organization success of that company starts at the top.

[00:42:19] And if it's dysfunction at the top if it's a bad a bad person at the top a racist at the top of someone that is not good at the top.

[00:42:33] I tend to think that that trickles down the organization. Right? And I think you saw at least the way that they depicted it in this show is how they tried to like you said do business without him like him.

[00:42:47] Like I feel like they made a decision. All right, Donald is Donald will do what we have to do to make the team successful and in the end Donald messes it up anyway, right? So I mean that goes back to the point like eventually, you know, the house is going to come crumbling down.

[00:43:05] Yeah, and speaking of the house V is trying to purchase a home. She wants to have a house so that she can adopt a couple kids. She will foster a couple kids. So she has a plan. She also has a sister that she's trying to get taken care of this woman is working her magic on this man.

[00:43:23] She's getting money. She's getting the court side tickets and stuff like that. But when he doesn't give her what she wants we see a very interesting dynamic, you know, he talks to her almost as if she's not a person and then she begs or you know, please or does whatever acts out and he brings her back in as a almost like now I'll take care of you and the whole time this is happening.

[00:43:43] His wife Shelly is looking on she is so salty. She can't understand why he won't give her the time of day while he's like flaunting this sugar mama sugar baby around in front of everybody. Everybody sees it. And so Shelly finally decides enough is enough. I am going to figure out a way to put a stop to all these fancy cars these gifts these clothes and I think I think had V Stiviano been a little bit actually a little bit more

[00:44:14] We probably wouldn't even get here. But I think she was just so high on her own supply that she didn't care to look at Shelly as somebody who she might need to have as an ally potentially or something like that because there's a scene where they go, I guess they're at a boutique and she's buying some clothes and Shelly approaches him like I know you're not buying this girl clothes from this boutique. This is where I be shopping and V Stiviano says yeah, that's why he's not buying me clothes. These clothes are for you because you're old.

[00:44:42] I don't shop here old lady shop here and I was like damn that's not that's not going to help you at all. So throughout she is tap dancing all over this lady in our marriage. And so finally Shelly has to lash out and that's where I think the tapes come in right we start to see the tapes when V starts to feel scorned by Shelly. And so the tapes make national news Dane and I don't know if you ever heard the originals but it like the other said they're pretty close.

[00:45:10] I heard some snippets. I guess back then it was just like there's no there's the denial part the denial part like how can someone be this stupid one not know that they're being recorded but now finding out that you know, of course he agreed to didn't care this arrangement and of course what could possibly go wrong, but do like after I heard one of the first ones that came out of I think when he was referring to Magic Johnson.

[00:45:35] That was one of the first and only clips that I actually heard about, you know, by way of like TMZ or something like that. I don't know which network or medium it was but I heard I was like man.

[00:45:43] This is awkward.

[00:45:45] Right, but then of course, you know my team have their own situations that go on quite similar, you know, turning the lawsuits all sorts of crazy things allegedly.

[00:45:58] Anyways, it just was I couldn't imagine.

[00:46:03] I one thing I wanted to do when watching the show I tried to dismiss anything that already knew about it.

[00:46:09] I wish I would have received this.

[00:46:11] How to receive and understand and analyze this as if it was her first hand account. First thing was, you know, Shelly.

[00:46:18] And I had the misfortune of running into Shelly before on Yellowstone she was she was a beast and Yellowstone to like similar type of person.

[00:46:26] Do you smile in your face. She's really, really nice, but she can she can bite at you and it'll hurt and you gonna remember it.

[00:46:32] So I thought, you know, this the character or the person that was portraying Shelly I thought she was going to have that in her which she did like, you know, she came for and rightfully so, you know, you out here having, you know, dinner with your homegirls and they're talking about how much of a travesty it is that this girl's praying.

[00:46:49] Your husband is praying this woman around and one of the footnotes of the conversation as well at least they're not having you know sex they're not being anything physical.

[00:46:57] And then of course the camera pans all the homegirls and I like.

[00:47:00] Yeah, right.

[00:47:02] So I'm like, yeah, it's, it's tough to believe that there's nothing physical going on.

[00:47:09] I mean, so the V even has a homegirl she got a partner in crime and partner crime be gassing up. Hey, me you hit the you hit the jackpot here Donald's ever this year greatly be trying to do what you gotta do to get what you want.

[00:47:21] And so V goes in to get what she wants. She's like, okay, I need to go in with a plan because I want the money I want the house. I want the nice things. I don't want to get boxed out of the, out of the, you know, the court side seats. I want to have all the nice stuff.

[00:47:36] But she fails, she comes back and she's like, No, I'm sorry I wasn't able to went able to lock this one up and her homegirl says, What do you mean, do you, do you, you have the sex did you do the things with them.

[00:47:49] And she's like, No, we don't do that. And I felt out my chair. I was like, what you mean you don't do that.

[00:47:54] And the friend looked at her just like that.

[00:47:57] Yes.

[00:47:59] Like, like Gucci man at the breakfast club.

[00:48:02] Right, because what are you doing that got this man wanted to take care of you like this.

[00:48:08] These Diviano will do multiple interviews after this is all said and done. And in those interviews, she will talk about her relationship with Donald Sterling and the I'll say there's a few times where you see them interact.

[00:48:19] It doesn't always look transactional sometimes it actually looks like she cares about him. Do you feel like that's probably accurate or is this all just, you know, a day in the life of a sugar baby.

[00:48:30] I personally, from what I've seen, I didn't necessarily pay attention to the real life version of her when all this was going on but I'm just going to go off the portrayal.

[00:48:44] The portrayal to me seems like it's for her gain, whether it's for you know, getting the adoption work in the house, the car, whatever she needs but to me it just feels like it's transactional on both sides like for her.

[00:49:00] It's those particular things but for him, it's just feeding his ego. It's feeding the Donald Sterling I'm the man I can do this I can do that I got money I got my wife here I got the team here I got my assistant side piece here.

[00:49:16] I think that's the transactional part it's not anything but that like it's not a love thing it's not a, I wouldn't even say it's a lust thing because they're not doing anything to me from what we've seen.

[00:49:27] I think it's just transactional on both sides. Yeah, the foot rubbing.

[00:49:32] Yeah, we have to see nothing worse than the foot rubbing in this one.

[00:49:36] You know, but I think you're right I think there are definitely moments where if she doesn't get her way she acts in a certain way and it gets his attention.

[00:49:44] Dane mentioned the Magic Johnson picture but that was a complete like that was a calculated move, you know, she knew that he would be upset with Magic Johnson because one magic to Laker two he's magical he's successful and he's black.

[00:49:56] Black piggy piggy black. Yeah, so that got Donald's head spinning, you know, and so then Donald when Donald's not really happy with her. He's like, oh yeah, now you can't sit in the box seats we've got you given them somewhere else.

[00:50:09] And so they do this back and forth. Yeah, exactly. But to me because because we're led to believe that there is no actual sexual intimacy.

[00:50:18] I've started to believe that yeah, you're right. It's all about control. It's all about control and how in the image right to be able to say I have this hot chick on the side, you know who I can put in front of everybody and nobody can do anything to me.

[00:50:32] I'm untouchable my own wife is cool with it. We not even have sex. I just got her here because I can you know I'm saying and so for me, that's kind of like if you really look at Donald's that's what you have to look at like it's it's not even about the physical part of having sex.

[00:50:47] It's about the emotional part of having sex. And so I think that's what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying that he should be having a girlfriend or a mistress. This is just to feed his massive ego.

[00:51:02] We know the ending. Yeah.

[00:51:04] Yes. Yeah. And so for me, I'm appreciative of the hey, it's not sexual but there are other ways you could really look at this and see you know what type of person you're dealing with at some points V calls herself the philanthropic director of the Donald Sterling Foundation, which dang to me really feels like he gave her a fake job so he could just justify giving her a bunch of money and allowing her to make donations with it.

[00:51:29] But in the suite when she told him that he was like, he was like, oh yeah.

[00:51:36] How's that gonna go for you?

[00:51:38] So quick bro.

[00:51:40] What the foundation? Okay. Yeah.

[00:51:44] So by the time we hit episode two, it's called a blessing and a curse. By the time we hit episode two, Shelley has served V with some papers. She is suing her for $2.5 million saying that she stole this money essentially this is money that belonged to Shelley and Donald and Donald has been giving it to V because she seduced, she cheated, she has stored it money from him all this time.

[00:52:09] All this stuff. She V says it's just a gift. Shelley says this is her money. Dang.

[00:52:16] Who is right?

[00:52:18] You gotta go with Shelley on this one. I mean, when you when you thinking about it was I think they refer to as like community funds or community something like in terms of the money, like on paper.

[00:52:30] Yeah, you got to follow the money and the money says it this book this bank account, the Bank of We not Bank of me the Bank of We. She has just as much as them being man I'm not familiar with the laws and in California and all that but I know one thing.

[00:52:44] When you are married and then there's a situation sometimes leading to divorce sometimes not leading to divorce. There's no longer mines or hers. That's ours.

[00:52:55] And a large part of that being ours is she has just as much right to be mad about the money is he has just as much just as much amount of right to give money doesn't make either one of them wrong or right.

[00:53:05] It just makes it the fact that the other one, the left hand has to know what the right hand is doing every situation involves money like that.

[00:53:12] So when you give them away.

[00:53:14] You know, I don't know what the total amount of money is that he's gifted her or valuables or goods or whatever the case may be, but just enough to piss her off.

[00:53:24] And again, like she like like she mentioned in the show is not enough to hurt her like 2.5 isn't gonna hurt them, you know, you know, they, that's nothing that's dropping the bucket is pocket change pocket full of, you know, pennies they're just throwing

[00:53:38] But it's like you mentioned before, it's the principle and it's the power of it all. So to make her feel just small and insignificant. And again, I don't know how much when you when it's Austin and I don't know how much you know how many items are the value of the amount of gifts that she got, but I think her getting slapped papers with 2.6 million I think that was a, that was being very generous because I think it could have been a lot worse a whole lot worse.

[00:54:02] Yeah, it was like a statement, you know saying you get somebody with that kind of lawsuit. You don't expect them to be able to pay it in the first place. Right? Like this girl does not have $2.6 million liquid assets just to give you so like and you're doing that to intimidate her right?

[00:54:16] Yeah, I was gonna say I think I might have missed it. I felt like there was a particular scene. Oh, you know what, I think you're gonna you're gonna mention when the tapes come out, like Shelly says something like I didn't like she basically was saying that she didn't feel like it would go this far like where she would

[00:54:34] Yeah, she said you didn't even give me a chance to buy the tapes. You're like I would have bought them for you and it would call it even you know, right? Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, okay so in the real time, right? The lawsuit complaint was accusing Stiviano of targeting wealthy older men so such as Donald the suit claimed that Donald Sterling used the couple's money to buy a Ferrari as we say in this two Bentleys and a Range Rover.

[00:55:01] Stiviano also took $1.8 million duplex through fraud, which we see the duplex in this okay and we only talk about the fraud but it was fraudulent apparently and received about $250,000 in cash, according to the court documents. So, um, the lawsuit was very much real, even though Donald Sterling doesn't seem even a little bothered by it at all he's just kind of like, it'll go away. Don't worry about it.

[00:55:27] But you're right, Deontay by the time the tapes start to drop. It's too late. There's nothing that anybody can do because Shelly has served her the papers and now V is retaliating almost as a way of like trying to get I guess trying to get Donald to help her out, you know, because he's completely iced her out by this point, even though she's still the girlfriend.

[00:55:47] Yeah, and even when the, I forget his name but like the PR guy comes when it when Donald's like laid out and actually tells him the tapes are out at that point he's still like arrogant, because you can see throughout when he and V get in these arguments that it eventually works out in his favor, because he still gets her to be, you know, okay I'll do this

[00:56:15] Donald I'll do that like it has always worked out in his favor so in his mind. This is just another hiccup where she won't go through with it I'll talk to her I'll do this I'll do that and everything will be peachy cream, but I'm sure as we'll find out in these episodes because this course is a real life event won't go that way.

[00:56:35] Yeah, so at some point Shelly will go to the home of Pierce O'Donnell, the lawyer played by Corbin Bersin from some psych.

[00:56:44] And she's like you're the best legal mind in America. I need you to fix this because right now, the tapes are out. Shelly has heard the audio, and there's no way to put the audio back so now they have to figure out a way to do we say that V coerced him into saying this, like is there any way we can make this like make this go away and put this on her.

[00:57:07] So Shelly's dealing with that. While the whole time V is trying to actually I guess reason with Donald for to have her back, but we haven't talked about the content of the tapes. Okay, so you get stuff said like you hear V on the one hand saying what's wrong with minorities what's wrong with black people, and he's saying, you're supposed to be a delicate white lady, or at least a Latino person you're not supposed to be black.

[00:57:37] And she said, wait, what do you mean what do you mean why can't people know that I'm black Why can't people see me. He's and I want to love you privately, but you think I'm a racist.

[00:57:46] Yes, yes, yes, you are racist like that can you not hear this and not hear that you're a racist. He said, it's the world. The world treats blacks like their dogs.

[00:57:57] And that's just the way the world is. Don't come to my games don't bring black people.

[00:58:03] I mean, one after one just hit after hit, and she's openly recording him this is not some candid camera she's wearing a wire trying to get them.

[00:58:17] And that's the thing today's point when this started, I did not know that he had agreed for the conversation to be recorded. So, at the time like when this real time was happening in my mind you would think the way she was phrasing these questions like a tone

[00:58:34] the way she's saying it like a normal person would think you trying to make me say are you recording me.

[00:58:43] Why are you telling me if you're a cop or it's entrapment. Yeah, exactly. That is the way, like the framing of the questions were, but now we know that he knew it was getting recorded or he had given their permission previously to record it so it's like,

[00:59:00] it's, it's, it all goes back to that arrogance man like he always felt that nothing. None of this was going to come to light obviously but like she wouldn't have the power the confidence or whatever you want to call it to release these tapes because this just

[00:59:16] insane, like even hearing it back over and like I mentioned the top of the pod just going back and hearing the real life version, they did a pretty good job of keeping it so similar every way, like even like how they talk to one another which just, I can't listen.

[00:59:32] But it's just so like my response is just like, just like

[00:59:37] very gross. Very gross.

[00:59:40] I think we see them in the playoffs right in this in this run we know obviously that they are not going to win.

[00:59:46] But while this is happening. Yeah, while this is happening. The tape is out. My favorite part of this entire two episode run is the players reaction when they figure out that the tape is out because they say, there's a tape of your owner and everybody's like

[01:00:07] Even doctor at first to Oh boy.

[01:00:11] Yeah, I don't want to say anything. Don't put that in my mind.

[01:00:15] Yeah, but it turns out it's just audio she actually be actually does have video as well of Donald Sterling doing weird stuff and saying weird things, but this is getting to the Clippers when they're up I think two to one against the Golden State Warriors.

[01:00:32] Let's talk about that.

[01:00:33] Can we talk about

[01:00:35] Warriors.

[01:00:39] That was that press guy.

[01:00:41] Was back.

[01:00:43] Was that Chris guy.

[01:00:45] Jack is who wore the Warriors. Also, that is like, you know, everything now is mean worthy and mean culture. So next season.

[01:00:54] Steph Curry has a bad.

[01:00:57] That's a wrap.

[01:00:59] He was a man out there being driven on the court.

[01:01:04] Yeah, like the play. Like I they

[01:01:11] They knew that they didn't have the capability of making like

[01:01:17] The game seem realistic. So you saw quick clips like I felt like on we're talking about winning time before I felt like the winning time during the actual games like because they did like long scenes of games like they did a really good job of at least making it the action looks somewhat decent here.

[01:01:39] Like the lighting's weird. I don't want to get into specifics about it's kind of nitpicky, but you could just tell that they felt like, all right, we just throwing quick shots here and there because we ain't got it like that. We just want you to know what

[01:01:53] They had one shot that's realistic. Whoever was playing Jamal Crawford hit the Jamal Crawford step back, put the ball behind his back and threw it up for a shot. I was like, okay, I missed everything else.

[01:02:06] Everything else you can do without. I was like, man, I'm like Jamal Crawford. Oh yeah, that's right.

[01:02:12] Had Glenn Davis in there to

[01:02:15] Baby. Yeah.

[01:02:18] Big baby. Yeah.

[01:02:20] Yeah, we, I mean, we didn't talk about some of the background basketball players on the cast. But as you have already pointed out, we got some wild glimpses of who we assume is Steph Curry and

[01:02:32] Clay Thompson out there as well. I'm Glenn big baby Davis played by Jack McKissick and then I think we haven't really talked about him at all. But y'all see a Sarunas Jackson from insecure walking around. That's Matt Barnes. If you didn't know

[01:02:48] Right.

[01:02:50] Yeah.

[01:02:51] Yeah, easily probably the tallest person on this cast because that man is a giant. But yeah, so that's going on during the games. I think if I remember correctly, the Clippers do go on to win this series against Golden State and then

[01:03:04] Yeah, yeah.

[01:03:06] Yeah, I'm pretty sure they will. They were going to beat them and then lose in the very next round.

[01:03:13] And some might argue that had they not been facing so much controversy that this might have actually been the team to get past the fun.

[01:03:22] I think in the next round. And so, yes, we find ourselves at an impasse because the team is on the up and up Doc has figured out the thing that they were missing. They didn't have any grit. They weren't used to people trash talking them. So he

[01:03:37] Roasted them all. Yeah, this is the year.

[01:03:40] We're gonna get

[01:03:42] What could possibly go wrong. So one of the final scenes and episode two, I believe they're on the elevator or something. And we have

[01:03:51] Donald Sterling and Shelly there on the elevator and they're talking to Chris Paul and Matt Barnes. I think it is and Donald is very drunk.

[01:04:01] And he has decided to tell them. I want you to sing for me, sing for me, sing for me now and they kind of laugh it off. They don't sing happy birthday to Don

[01:04:13] But after this the tape drops and I feel like if this is me.

[01:04:20] I'm replaying all those moments in my head back and they just hit different like you're drunk. The drunk owner of the team telling you, okay, seeing my happy birthday to me fine he's drunk with his wife's having a good time. I probably don't think nothing about it.

[01:04:33] But this is the same person who we see yell at Doc at some point. I am your owner. I am your owner and that just hit different when you find out how this man feels about black people. Am I tripping

[01:04:44] No, no, you're right. Along with him thinking Blake Griffin is Puerto Rican or Mexican or something and praying them around by the arm. I was like, I forgot about that. We completely lost it. And the fact that it happened within the first 20 or 30 minutes of the show was like

[01:04:59] Because that wasn't wasn't Dre the one that said they leaned over say he think he think Blake Puerto Rico something like that.

[01:05:06] You know, yeah.

[01:05:08] Yeah. And the crazy thing is that they talked to Blake about it and Blake and I don't know if this is a real quote somebody find like Griffin get them on the phone.

[01:05:16] Like says you just give me your hand and disengage like are you in an abusive relationship is like, yeah, he's just smiling. I

[01:05:24] Dignity. That's not the leader of my team.

[01:05:27] Stand up. Exactly. Yeah, Chris Paul not let this man drag him around like this. Well, he also very much can tell Chris Paul is not Latino or at least not not not not light skin Latino if you will.

[01:05:39] Yeah, yeah, he can see black

[01:05:41] We know that all the clippers were in a Jordan pill film.

[01:05:45] Every last one of them playing basketball and get out. You know, I'm saying I got five on it playing in the background, but like chapter through. Yeah, so

[01:05:54] So that's it. We end up in a situation where the tape is out. The team is up, but we know the team is about to go down in a hard way against the thunder

[01:06:01] And I'm assuming a lot of this controversy will be front of mind for many of them. So the show gives us a real play by play of how we got to the point where the tapes drop, but

[01:06:14] Now we have to watch a week to week to find out. Okay, what happens next. And what does it look like when we're watching it from the inside because as y'all have pointed out before

[01:06:23] Yes, we were around when it happened, but reading it in the tabloids reading like the Twitter post and all the little blogs and stuff like that.

[01:06:31] I feel like that didn't do it justice. Okay, because I got a good hate into Donald Sterling in this episode where I was probably mostly indifferent to him.

[01:06:40] Probably, you know, prior to this, but now. Yeah, yeah. I don't know where this guy is, but I hate him, you know,

[01:06:47] Yeah, I what's what's I'm very interested to see how it goes forward from here because I can't necessarily I know what happens towards the end. And but like you said the process from when the tapes drop to that end point.

[01:07:00] I can't remember that. So I'm interested to see how it's portrayed and then those memories come back like, oh yeah, he did say that. Oh yeah, they did feel this way. So I'm just interested to see how they portray it and how it goes on from there.

[01:07:19] Me, me in particular. I mean the icing is already on the cake and I've consumed a large portion of it. It's been enjoyable. Anything extra anything extra this point is just just more people. I think for me, I'm looking forward to see how how the hell they can fit more LeVar Burton in there just randomly.

[01:07:34] LeVar Burton being being this man's sauna buddy. He just that they sauna buddies. I don't even know people did that. You just got a good to see you again LeVar, you know,

[01:07:51] So yeah, I'm looking forward to that. But anything else extra that you know jogging is oh yeah that did happen. That's also cool too.

[01:07:59] Yeah. Well, just some other insight into the actual happenings of the case. I think that Steviano's lawyers initially said that she had nothing to do with it going public. It wasn't her like it went the tape went leaked. It wasn't me.

[01:08:16] But, you know, one of the hundreds of tapes that she reclaims end up getting out. I mean recorded she ends up getting out. She ends up posting pictures of herself.

[01:08:27] There's just there's more and more and more information that just comes out about the lawsuit.

[01:08:32] I think in 2018 is where she did her last public interview with TMZ and they asked her to weigh in on the kind some racist comments made by Roseanne Roseanne Barr.

[01:08:44] She ended up saying that oh no one has freedom of speech anymore. No one can say what they feel because if they do, they're going to lose their job. So we see what side of the coin V. Steviano is living on these days.

[01:08:56] And as far as the Clippers, they're currently owned by Steve Ballmer the former CEO of Microsoft who purchased the Clippers from the Sterling family trust for $2 billion in May of 2014.

[01:09:08] So the highest price pay for an NBA team ever at that time a month after this tape is leaked.

[01:09:15] So I'm sure we will see all of that and more this season on Clipped the story of LA's other scandalous story of LA's other basketball team. But until then, thank you gentlemen for joining me here on recap kickback. It's been a blast.

[01:09:30] Yes, sir. Thank you enjoyed it.

[01:09:33] Now this has been so much fun. There's a ton of sports movies black sports movies just movies in general that I would love to have you two back for in the future for a television appearances all that good stuff anything that I'm doing here.

[01:09:45] You feel welcome to come back to recap kickback because this has been a great time but I do want to give you a chance to tell everybody what you're working on Dane tell the people where they can find you on social media what you got going on.

[01:09:56] Yeah, pretty easy to find on whatever platform that you you know, you might be on but I'm Dane BTX that's D A N E B T X on the Twitch have is I'm going to still call it Instagram maybe take time.

[01:10:13] Yeah, not working on anything too crazy still in the lab. We got something cooking and I'm sure that the viewers and the people who rock with us and I've been rocking with us a long time. They'll be really excited to see what we have in store. But it's all I got.

[01:10:26] And Deontay thank you tell everybody what you got going on and where they can find you.

[01:10:30] Yep.

[01:11:01] But yeah, just once again, thank you for having us on mine when we got to come back at some point soon.

[01:11:07] It's been fun as always but appreciate you man.

[01:11:10] Already no problem. Thank y'all for coming. As for me if you've been listening to recap kickback, you know, we got a lot of stuff going on here.

[01:11:17] We also we have a episode that should be out by the time this drops from Council Culture the the television show hosted by Nick Cannon talking about men's mental health and other like other problems that plague men specifically they have panels of like psychotherapists and professionals who talk about anxiety depression and other things like that.

[01:11:42] Me and Tyrone talked about that. So that should be out in your podcast feed right now. Other than that, you can catch me on the nothing but Netflix podcast this week. We talked about Ren fair on HBO Max.

[01:11:53] You could check that out is a three part docuseries. We talked about the first part and then I think two and three will drop next week in preparation for HBO.

[01:12:03] I guess rolling out their House of the Dragon season two coverage, which we will be covering here on recap kickback. That's right. Hot D coming here soon.

[01:12:12] Horeca kickback the Westeros kickback comes in. Mario will be back to talk about that one with me a week to week. Also, you can catch me on the Bravo below deck podcast fee with Sasha Joseph.

[01:12:25] This week we had America Lopez from Big Brother on as our guest to talk about that show. It was fun. We went live on YouTube. Check it out on the Bravo below deck fee for our HAP or you can check it out on the YouTube page as well.

[01:12:38] And then you can also check one of my recent guest appearances. I was over on the was it good though podcast talking about insecure. And so if you've seen the was a good though people that came on here, they were the ones who I brought on to guest when we talked about the rap beef between Kenji Lamar and Drake.

[01:12:55] They were fun time there. So they had me on a part of their panel discussion about insecure and why the show is so great so you can catch me over there and you can of course follow me on all social media platforms at recap kickback and follow at recap kickback wherever you get your podcast.

[01:13:09] But until next time for Dane for Deontay and for myself, you ain't got to go home, but you know, the rest we will catch you all next week. Peace.

[01:13:20] I got damn self.