Good Times: Black Again Review

[00:00:00] What's up fam and welcome back to Recap Kickback.

[00:00:20] It's me your host Chappelle and I am here with another episode of this amazing podcast

[00:00:26] where we get to talk about all the stuff I want to talk about with all the people I like

[00:00:29] to talk about it with and this time we are in for a treat because we got some content

[00:00:35] that we all knew was coming.

[00:00:37] Good times, good times is on Netflix.

[00:00:39] I believe it's the number six show on Netflix.

[00:00:42] Good times black again, the animated series and right now it is I think it's set to be

[00:00:49] a hot topic in these streets and so we're going to get in front of it and try to be

[00:00:54] the ears on the ground or the people who did not watch it right.

[00:00:58] So here on Recap Kickback we're going to talk about the first two episodes of Good

[00:01:01] Times Black Again as found on Netflix and with me per usual my co-host who I'm sure

[00:01:08] has a lot of opinions about what we just sat through and what we just watched and potentially

[00:01:13] enjoyed?

[00:01:14] Question mark, Mari.

[00:01:15] What do you think?

[00:01:16] Mari welcome.

[00:01:17] Welcome to Kickback.

[00:01:18] Welcome back.

[00:01:19] Yeah.

[00:01:20] Yes.

[00:01:21] Um I love being like a correspondent.

[00:01:24] I feel like Al Roker, a weatherman like boots on the ground reporting to you live from Good

[00:01:30] Times Black Again because you know as soon as this trailer dropped a few weeks ago we

[00:01:37] immediately were like oh my gosh there's so much talk around it so much vitriol so much

[00:01:44] like conversation and we were like we gotta we gotta watch it we gotta watch it we gotta

[00:01:49] see what it's about and it you know it is like black be black so we were like we gotta

[00:01:55] we gotta cover it we gotta see and I mean I'm glad we did it but uh we we got a lot

[00:02:03] to talk about we really do yeah.

[00:02:07] Yeah each episode is about 20 minutes long we watched two of them and I'm pretty sure

[00:02:11] we could talk about this show for about four hours so uh without further ado uh we gotta

[00:02:17] bring in our uh third correspondent here back again it's Tyrone.

[00:02:21] Tyrone what's happening?

[00:02:23] What's happening light skin again hey you know what I need every time you introduce

[00:02:28] me I need a pole pimp transition I need an adrenaline rush transition like yes that's

[00:02:34] that's the music I need in my background whenever you introduce me but we got a lot to talk

[00:02:38] about with this show I'm ready to get to it uh with this part.

[00:02:42] This is the ghetto we don't have.

[00:02:44] We in the hood now baby.

[00:02:46] You know we really in the hood when we talk about this yeah um there's a lot here to unpack

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[00:03:23] get to them uh y'all last week we dropped Shirley prior to that we dropped Cowboy Carter

[00:03:29] it's been a very positive time here on Recap Kickback but I feel like um I will say that

[00:03:38] there's probably some good and some bad and some in between to talk about here on

[00:03:42] uh Good Times Black Again and I'm dying to get into it with y'all so uh Mari again it looks like

[00:03:48] you're itching to say something knee-jerk reactions we saw the trailer we were like whoa what is that

[00:03:53] but now you've seen the show overall what you think? It's so funny because when I saw the

[00:03:59] trailer and the knee jerk reactions I was literally like people you got I was like everybody calm down

[00:04:04] this is a overreaction I'm like give it a chance there's so many wonderful Black actors that are

[00:04:13] that are involved in this project let's at least watch it and see what we thought let's not go off

[00:04:19] of these these these first you know first impressions then I sat down and watched episode

[00:04:26] one and two and I I literally have not stopped something so many times just to check the counter

[00:04:35] and be like why is this taking so long I am a like I love adult animation like I'm one of those people

[00:04:44] who absolutely loves adult cartoons like you know Family Guy, Bob's Burgers, Rick and Morty like

[00:04:52] I fall asleep to like Tuka Bertie, BoJack Horseman like South I grew up on South Park

[00:04:57] I grew up on South Park I remember watching the first episode of South Park when I shouldn't have

[00:05:03] so adult cartoons are nothing new to me and they're actually like one of my favorite genres

[00:05:09] this was so bad I have never been like I I had to turn it off because my son was in the room

[00:05:18] and there was just so much cussing in this I love a good curse word I love cussing but there was just

[00:05:26] so much thank you I there's just so much cussing in this show that I was like I don't know if we

[00:05:33] needed all of this it it I literally had to turn it off because I was like JJ do not repeat that

[00:05:40] so many times I had to wait till he was gone in order to continue to watch it

[00:05:45] and it just was like I don't know it wasn't it wasn't necessarily funny it really had me

[00:05:52] thinking like who is this for you know I'm saying like who is this truly for

[00:05:56] and I could not pin pinpoint it down I could not it just being labeled good times is is not the

[00:06:05] worst of it you know I'm saying like I thought that maybe if it had another name to it then

[00:06:10] people would have um would have been more uh open to it and I think more that they're just mad that

[00:06:17] the good times name is being used and sullied and all that blah blah blah blah but honestly even

[00:06:22] with another name I could I would not have this was this would be something I wouldn't watch and

[00:06:29] now I'm starting to think they had to put the good times name on it in order to get this

[00:06:34] controversy and get this drummed up to for people to watch it because I did not find it I didn't not

[00:06:39] I found the writing so bad it I didn't like it okay Ty what if we called this show the PJs would

[00:06:47] it hit harder would you would you be uh opposed to watching it is Eddie Murphy's name attached to it

[00:06:53] too I don't know listen there was a real life crackhead as a character in the PJs and it had

[00:07:00] a little run it had a little run it had a little run that show made a little sense this I don't

[00:07:07] the black again I don't even understand that I blame Stephanie Barlow I blame even though

[00:07:11] executive producer is just a name it's just a title attached but I blame self I don't understand

[00:07:16] what's happening I was watching it why the little baby is a crack seller why is it he's selling

[00:07:23] it's not just crack he's selling uh like pills he's definitely selling weed you know he's got

[00:07:28] he's a drug dealer of sorts yeah why

[00:07:34] well I don't know baby rappers why that part I thought was the funniest part of it like

[00:07:43] baby da baby da baby that I found yeah the impressions was the funniest part about it but

[00:07:48] why though it was I know we'll get there I'm trying to stay uh you know out of the storyline

[00:07:57] but it was just all over the place it was I just didn't understand it took me half the show

[00:08:04] half the first episode to understand who was the the the family line like oh okay that's the family

[00:08:10] line like I just didn't it just didn't hit and they threw so much at the show they threw all

[00:08:18] the great actors and actresses at the show they threw the twister um and the and the and the

[00:08:24] pole pimp transitions in it at the man singing the good time song in the first part of the show

[00:08:31] like they threw so much at it you know and you expect it to be good like you expect these actors

[00:08:38] and actresses that are so great at what they do and everything else to jump in and be like

[00:08:43] do we really need to talk about that do we really need to do these tropes again do we

[00:08:48] really need to do these stereotypes again but nobody stepped in nobody did it yeah it's a word

[00:08:56] but it's all good I'm gonna keep watching it to the end to see if I can make something out of it

[00:09:00] maybe it gets better maybe it gets better I don't know well look I know for this exercise we watched

[00:09:06] two episodes but uh I'll go ahead and tell you I watched six episodes I've seen over half of the

[00:09:11] season yeah because I was thinking well maybe we're going somewhere maybe there's something

[00:09:15] to be mined from this and actually after watching six episodes and then re-watching the first two

[00:09:20] I see what they're doing like I get it I uh have definitely some uh points of you know of interest

[00:09:27] where I would say maybe Bob when you weaved here you know maybe do a little something differently

[00:09:31] here um but you under you do kind of start to get the through line because they do touch on a lot

[00:09:38] of issues but we'll get to that in just a moment um it's been 50 years since the original good

[00:09:42] times premiered on CBS uh making history as its first black American family sitcom

[00:09:47] uh to feature a two-parent home and so uh it was a big deal at this time but it also was met with

[00:09:53] a bunch of controversy and criticism as well because it was not showing the black household

[00:09:57] in like the best light as some people would have said it was showing you know a household of poverty

[00:10:04] and kind of what it looked like when black people were struggling and I think there is a lot of that

[00:10:08] in this good times black again uh reboot I don't really but I'm like I'm kind of like Mario you

[00:10:14] didn't really have to call this good times to make it make sense you could have named it something

[00:10:17] else but if you don't name it good times do people go watch it I don't know uh because I sat through

[00:10:23] it thinking okay this this could this could be something but the good times name was carrying a

[00:10:28] lot of weight also carrying a lot of weight this cast uh that I mean everybody's been talking about

[00:10:34] the cast if nothing else it was like one of the shining stars of you know the trailer was that

[00:10:39] you see these people's names pop up and you're like oh I I know these people these these are good

[00:10:45] actors these are well-known these are superstars essentially if they're involved it's gotta be

[00:10:52] good right and you know I think that might be up for debate right now Ty I really do because um

[00:10:58] I saw that the cast was there but I don't know if the cast made me feel like you know they had a lot

[00:11:03] input in what was going on right I didn't I don't think I expected them to have input I just need

[00:11:10] it's less about input is more about pausing that's like somebody just saying you know what

[00:11:17] I don't know like Yvette so say something you

[00:11:22] is a fan of good television shows yeah Yvette please do something do something but hell there's

[00:11:36] a through line right there's a through line so I'm gonna keep watching it to see it you know

[00:11:40] what comes out of it and you know I would request others to do the same right like work through work

[00:11:47] through it you know give it a chance I'm gonna give it a chance it just it has a rough start I

[00:11:52] will say that for me well Mari we've seen a lot of shows that we talk about this again with black

[00:12:00] shows a lot is that one bad episode out the gate and you're like well bad black show we out of here

[00:12:05] bad tv show but we've seen other shows kind of start off a little rough family guy got cancelled

[00:12:10] like three times before it really got its footing so yeah maybe there's a world where this could

[00:12:15] evolve into something better Mari and honestly the family guy is what I was thinking about the whole

[00:12:20] time here because I'm like the the parallels of the black family having a misbehaving baby

[00:12:27] and Stewie being the the archetype of the misbehaving baby that has like kind of I mean

[00:12:33] well no I mean Rugrats kind of did it first but you know what I mean but like like an evil misbehaving

[00:12:38] evil baby yeah and and even I was thinking I was like well if family guy can present this

[00:12:45] New England white family with an evil baby uh alcoholic mom and a dumb father you know and not

[00:12:55] feel like the whole weight of representation is felt through that cartoon why can't good times

[00:13:01] also have like it's you know ups and downs of of representation and stuff like that and still not

[00:13:08] have to be the weight of everything I didn't watch good times so I definitely want to know what uh

[00:13:14] what Ty thinks about it like I didn't watch the original so for me I have no frame of reference

[00:13:20] of how this this ties in just for me just watching these two episodes like Ty said

[00:13:27] it was so confusing the through line of a lot of the plots like the first episode like the plot

[00:13:34] is the mom wants to win some contests from the project's building manager but then like

[00:13:41] I don't know why the daughter was on a hunger strike but yet she smelled I was like what what

[00:13:48] is happening you know I'm saying like it I I think a lot of the um ideas were just there were just too

[00:13:56] many and like Tyrone said like they just threw too many things at the wall here like maybe each

[00:14:02] character doesn't need their own storyline arc in one episode because it's it truly is too much the

[00:14:10] the father's trying to make money he can't make money in this cab the the um the baby trying to

[00:14:17] run from all the other babies can't even remember what the son was doing but like it it really did

[00:14:23] feel like too convoluted for me so but if Chappelle says that it kind of comes back but you know by the

[00:14:30] end okay maybe but like it was really hard for me to get through episode two was even worse I was

[00:14:36] like oh my god like I can't I it it's just it was not my cup of tea personally so you made a you

[00:14:44] made a good point about like the different levels of representation for you know black people right

[00:14:54] and the highs and the lows of that and family guy was able to do it so why can't you know this show

[00:15:00] do it um I feel like it hits harder for black people because in entertainment that's we was

[00:15:07] there was always the low and so when you see the low again it's kind of like I don't I don't want to

[00:15:14] I don't want to see that right right the pop part of it is fine but where the highs in the poverty

[00:15:21] part of it it just seems like there's a lot of lows uh in this outside of and you talked about

[00:15:27] this right how does it talk back to good times like why did they name it good times all right

[00:15:30] so obviously we've got Reggie that's the grandson of you know Florida and uh god dang it oh you know

[00:15:40] John yes John Amos right so he's the grandson but I just gave it real James

[00:15:47] James is that man's name

[00:15:50] I gave the real name but uh he's the grandson and then you've got junior is has the artistic

[00:15:58] value that JJ had right that dynamite you know the artistic value of that right

[00:16:04] and uh Martha's character you know she went on the hunger strike on the original show that the

[00:16:11] daughter was kind of sassy right was you know kind of like uh an individual an independent woman

[00:16:19] you know had her own mind she was strong-minded so that's the through that's kind of like the

[00:16:24] the drawback to the characters of the old and then of course the two-parent household

[00:16:28] so that's where the line came through it but then after that it just kind of stopped and they just

[00:16:36] had their own thing you know yeah um gray the youngest child played by Marcia she's more like

[00:16:43] an avatar for the middle the middle child um like uh because she is the middle child right so she's

[00:16:47] more like an avatar for uh for Michael uh in the original good times I think um who was the youngest

[00:16:52] sibling um because she's she is a protest warrior as you pointed out I mean there's there's not a

[00:16:58] lot of overlap though there really isn't there they're like hints and they're the callbacks to

[00:17:02] the original and we'll get into that as well uh but yeah there were some big swings taken with this

[00:17:08] and I just think that you know like I said with a friendlier eye maybe people would be able to

[00:17:13] digest this better but also you know I think maybe just maybe they had to throw something out there

[00:17:18] see if it works and then make some adjustments now do they get the opportunity to make those

[00:17:22] adjustments based on the feedback I've been seeing on social media people were trying to boycott this

[00:17:28] before the trailer we had even dropped good like people have been saying don't watch this at all

[00:17:32] don't make your own opinion don't check it out and uh it just uh hopefully it'll go away

[00:17:38] yeah I that I don't that I don't like and that's why I said it's like

[00:17:43] why are we why are we boycotting something we haven't even watched yet you know I'm the type

[00:17:48] I'm the type of person like I love to form my own opinions about things if I if something isn't for

[00:17:53] me it's not for me um and even if I don't want to watch it and I'm not gonna then go and tell

[00:18:00] people to boycott it you know I'm saying like because no matter what we are still we we've

[00:18:05] talked about it here we are still hungry for more black media and black content and to not even give

[00:18:11] black content a chance just to me it it does a disservice it does a disservice um at the very

[00:18:20] least we we should give it a chance to form your own opinion and then if you don't like it just

[00:18:24] go on about your day you know I'm saying because even if I'm gonna sit on I'm gonna sit on this

[00:18:27] this podcast and said it wasn't for me I'm not about to tell everybody else here don't go and

[00:18:32] watch it you know I'm saying I'm gonna tell you my thoughts on it Chappelle's gonna say his thoughts

[00:18:36] Ty's gonna tell says his thoughts and then you can form your own opinion on if you then want to go and

[00:18:41] try it or not you know what I'm saying like I I really don't like that concept because we don't

[00:18:47] have a lot and yes we can support the good stuff and yes we can you know not like the bad stuff but

[00:18:52] I'm not about to hear I'm not about to sit here and take jobs away from some of these like really

[00:18:56] good actors and voice actors and stuff like that because it's just not my cup of tea because I I

[00:19:02] was looking I did find a couple tweets that people were like okay and it's not that bad it's for

[00:19:06] somebody it is for somebody so yeah and that's not censorship either right it's like hey you

[00:19:13] criticize it that's that's perfectly fine to criticize because we got you know I'm about to do

[00:19:18] it criticize it but you don't have to like tell other people you know uh not not telling the

[00:19:27] people about the criticism you don't have to tell other people hey just because I don't like it you

[00:19:32] shouldn't even try to watch it or you shouldn't try this like you said other people might like it

[00:19:36] and other people who like I didn't see the trailer there might be some people out there

[00:19:41] who haven't seen good times and so they don't need to see the through line between the original

[00:19:47] and this one for me I was looking for it uh and that's that's part of my criticism you know I mean

[00:19:52] uh but others might not need that so they just see this as an adult animated show or cartoon

[00:19:57] and they just want to you know go from there yeah and let's talk about it from top down we got uh

[00:20:04] Seth MacFarlane this is him uh doing what he does best animated uh adult cartoons we've had

[00:20:11] Family Guy, American Dad, The Cleveland Show obviously American Dad being the blackest of those

[00:20:16] three uh but here he's going to tiptoe into uh Good Times uh yeah I saw The Cleveland Show as well

[00:20:23] yeah I did but uh like I said American Dad the blackest of those three um quiz me on American Dad

[00:20:30] and I will I will dazzle you with how black that show is um but um it feels like they leaned into a

[00:20:37] lot of stereotypes that people really weren't a fan of for Good Times Black Again um and like I

[00:20:43] said we will get to those in just a second but uh the cast is something that we've highlighted

[00:20:48] several times we have J.B. Smoove as uh the leading man in this uh show he's Reggie Evans,

[00:20:56] grandson of James Evans from apartment 17c that we've seen in the original Good Times they're in

[00:21:03] the same uh they're in the same apartment essentially you know it's the same house so

[00:21:07] they try to keep you know some mirroring there but we see very early on that you know they're

[00:21:12] making hints at things that we as black people kind of know so uh James's grandson here Reggie

[00:21:20] he's in the shower he's singing the Good Time theme song Ty he gets the lyrics of the song wrong

[00:21:24] because nobody knows what they're saying he messed it up yeah so you know they're trying

[00:21:33] they're trying to speak to you know to to us they're giving us some some nods and winks also

[00:21:38] we have uh his wife Beverly Evans played by Yvette Nicole Brown Tyrone mentioned earlier that Yvette

[00:21:44] Nicole Brown is a tv person she loves some tv she likes good tv she likes to walk it in so she also

[00:21:49] likes bad tv but Yvette Nicole Brown is somebody who I always turn to as a personality Mari were

[00:21:56] you happy to see her here in this role yes and I have a I have a quote here from her on twitter

[00:22:03] with her talking about it and uh responding to somebody uh who's who was just saying like

[00:22:09] you know don't listen to the haters she says thanks for giving us a shot and taking the 10

[00:22:13] episode ride we are trying to say something with this show it's a total piece of work not a trailer

[00:22:19] or an episode no one has to watch all the episodes or any at all but I'm grateful for those

[00:22:24] who did before attacking me and my integrity so I mean yeah so I I think she that that sums up

[00:22:33] everything we've kind we've kind of said here like I I'm I'm more drawn to the body of work because

[00:22:42] of the the integrity I know of these actors so that's why I'm that's why I gave it a shot that's

[00:22:49] why I'm going to give it a shot now will again will I continue to give a shot I don't know because

[00:22:54] now I got to watch it at certain times and I can't um but uh Yvette Nicole Brown is somebody who I

[00:23:02] love to follow on twitter she's somebody who um her her opinion told a lot of weight for to me

[00:23:07] and I think she did a great job in these first two episodes and the voice work now what she was

[00:23:12] given again I don't that second episode really pissed me off but like um I I I like I like having

[00:23:21] her here you know yeah uh again like I said I've seen a little bit more than y'all so I do

[00:23:28] I have some hints of things coming and we'll talk about those later but yeah good to see Yvette

[00:23:31] Nicole Brown here do you agree with saying without giving the the what the what it is do

[00:23:38] you agree with what she said oh yeah I think the show definitely has a point of view I think it

[00:23:43] does I think it's trying to say something I think that again if you watch it in snippets you probably

[00:23:47] don't get that and I'll probably reserve that same criticism for a movie called uh the uh what is it

[00:23:54] the American Society of Magical Negroes I've seen the movie I would love to talk about it here on

[00:24:01] Recap Kickback but I also think that if you only watch the trailer and if you not if you don't sit

[00:24:06] through the whole movie maybe you miss what they're trying to do whether or not they hit the mark or

[00:24:10] not that's a different story but you know the point of view is is very clear on Good Times especially

[00:24:16] a few episodes in okay also you have uh Jay Pharoah as Junior Evans uh Tyrone you've already

[00:24:23] mentioned some of the impersonations here but I mean that's what you get when you have Jay Pharoah

[00:24:27] yeah not a huge Jay Pharoah fan in general but he does a great job with

[00:24:34] impersonations right that's that's his stick that's his shtick um and it is and it always

[00:24:41] will be and I don't I think he tried to get away from it but at one point I think he had a movie

[00:24:46] with like Cat Williams or something like that where he did a little bit but it was more of just him

[00:24:50] acting but I think he realized that's the thing that keeps him having a job so he stuck with it

[00:24:57] yeah uh I love seeing Jay Pharoah anywhere because uh you know he always looks like he's very happy

[00:25:02] to be in the building and so I was like oh yeah Jay Pharoah is gonna give this his all and we

[00:25:06] heard some really good voices out of the gate that I would have to assume are a lot of him

[00:25:10] so some of those babies the baby little baby all of them I blame it Jay Pharoah yeah um also in

[00:25:18] this from Blackish uh a show that I know all of us are very familiar with Marci Martin as Gray Evans

[00:25:24] the middle child here the activist uh Mari Gray Evans is supposed to be our Huey Freeman in this

[00:25:30] you know she is supposed to be the person who she sees the she sees society for what it is

[00:25:36] uh she's surrounded by poverty and foolishness or whatever but she's going to take a stand at

[00:25:41] the detriment of her own childhood essentially Mari and so I think that's what they were going

[00:25:45] for here but it also surprises me because yeah she got a little bit of a potty mouth and I'm like

[00:25:49] that's my niece that's uh that's Marci that's that's Diane Blackish girl

[00:25:55] she's 19 years old now this grown woman and I was like damn I'm old that's all I kept thinking

[00:26:00] very that uh yeah like she she's the character that you know I think is the most evolved in

[00:26:08] a sense of like she she's the social justice warrior she's the black woman who's taking on

[00:26:13] all of the all of the causes you know what I'm saying and you know in the first two episodes

[00:26:19] that I saw I was like they they were treating her like she was dumb so I was like what is this like

[00:26:22] what are we trying to say like what are we trying to say here you know what I'm saying so so again

[00:26:28] uh maybe maybe maybe I should have prepared better and watched all of them but it was hard

[00:26:33] it was truly hard for me um but I I liked I like Marseille um the the one line where she's like

[00:26:40] we're black the struggle will be here tomorrow like honestly highlighted in italics in bold yeah

[00:26:46] like I was like damn she ain't never said a lie so it's you know she's doing a great job I'm so

[00:26:52] happy for her like I I'm I'm just so happy to see her progress in her career yeah I respect her

[00:27:00] yeah she came a long way man this is she but Diane has always had a point of view Marce Martin

[00:27:06] since blackness you know we always gonna see her speak up and so this is this is fun to see

[00:27:10] her in this role uh Tyrone we talked about Dalvin the drug dealing baby he he will be

[00:27:16] uh the point of contention for a lot of people who decide not to watch this a lot of people who saw

[00:27:21] the trailer and said I'm out a lot of people who will watch episode one and be like I'm done with

[00:27:24] this this is Slink Johnson I had a good laugh when I realized who this was um I was like wait a minute

[00:27:33] uh black Jesus is that you you know this um Dalvin is an interesting character he is a baby yes

[00:27:42] he's got him put out the house because he um he is dealing drugs and Reggie Evans refuses to let a

[00:27:50] drug dealer live in his house and so we will see that Dalvin is somebody who is I think pretty

[00:27:56] much this is a black tv trope you know we see a lot of times like you you selling drugs you

[00:28:01] got to get out of my house we see uh shoot look at uh BMF you know we've seen this on a ton of

[00:28:06] different shows where and then that person is still selling drugs and still trying to give back

[00:28:12] to his household we saw uh Franklin deal with that on Snowfall you know like your drug dealing money

[00:28:17] is no good here it's like yeah but we're poor so why don't you take the money um we'll see a lot of

[00:28:22] that from Dalvin uh Tyrone but I mean he's not Stewie this is a different type of baby Ty

[00:28:29] this is a different type of baby and like you said this is the point of contention this is

[00:28:34] the hardest one to to swallow because while Stewie is evil in a lot of ways and I don't know all of

[00:28:44] the background of Stewie so y'all might have to help me out with this one I think having the the

[00:28:50] baby is the one that's selling the drugs is really really tough um now the story that you

[00:28:59] can pull from it is obviously hey they start young which is true you're doing it in a funny way um so

[00:29:09] you might not see everybody not might not see it that way because you're trying to make some

[00:29:14] you know some hilarity out of it but I don't know I wish they would have gave it to some other child

[00:29:26] I'm cool with having the drug dealer because it happens but give it to the oldest one maybe I don't

[00:29:32] know yeah I'm okay I I don't mind it being the baby and because it's the absurdity of it all I

[00:29:38] think that's I mean if we're looking for satire here that is the that is supposed to be the in

[00:29:44] your face satire like that it is literally a a baby on the corner selling drugs I mean that is a Dave

[00:29:50] Chappelle skit you know basically but again it's it's how was it um was it executed correctly you

[00:29:59] know yeah and I think that's going to be the larger conversation right who is this for that you know

[00:30:04] like who's the audience that you're presenting it to where how far reach are you trying to go with

[00:30:09] this it's on Netflix so it's going to reach a large portion of America and what type of story

[00:30:16] are you in beyond America what type of story are you trying to tell from it and what do you want

[00:30:22] the audience to learn from it is kind of where my head is at so I get the satire absurdity and all

[00:30:27] that stuff are are we teaching a lesson are we just trying to be funny you know exactly yeah I

[00:30:34] don't know exactly yeah and I think that's probably where a lot of people will take pause is that if

[00:30:40] you are not sitting in this saying this is satirical this is satire it is supposed to be

[00:30:45] funny but it's also supposed to tell a story or deliver a message in a funny way right like

[00:30:51] satire is not just making fun of something it is like hey this is I'm making fun of something but

[00:30:55] it needs to be smart it needs to be like oh okay I can see that you're making fun of this thing

[00:31:00] you're not telling me the story of a drug dealing baby you're probably making a larger commentary

[00:31:05] about drug dealing like you said Ty with them starting a lot younger and even what would cause

[00:31:10] this baby to go do the drug dealing and so there's probably a lot to unpack there as well

[00:31:15] there's some other tangential cast members uh we'll see uh Dauphine as the landlord slash uh

[00:31:22] president of the projects she'll come up a couple times there's some talking roaches which again

[00:31:27] I think if you come from poverty you don't need to see talking roaches to be like hey

[00:31:30] I kind of you know whatever you're like I'm good on this um but yeah that's the cast those are our

[00:31:36] main characters and then uh we dive right in to some um shenanigans now Mari I know you said in

[00:31:42] the first couple episodes uh you really weren't feeling the uh the gray storyline the uh the

[00:31:46] youngest uh daughter the middle child um coming soon uh if you get to episode three I believe

[00:31:54] uh she's going to uh have her first period and that is going to be a conversation uh

[00:31:59] and it and it's very reminiscent of uh something that you might see in like a like a big mouth

[00:32:04] or like a tuka and birdie yeah but it gets into very much like uh shaming her for her body and

[00:32:11] saying like hey you know like like like well like you know historically women were told to be ashamed

[00:32:16] of these things they don't talk about having the periods and she's told now you can't use a tampon

[00:32:20] you can't do this that and other so like I said it gets into like uh deeper conversations but I think

[00:32:26] out of the gate starting with these two they were trying to like soft sell us kind of like throw you

[00:32:31] everything like here's a little bit of what you're gonna get and then if you don't like that you

[00:32:35] probably won't keep watching I would argue that they probably should have started with a different

[00:32:39] couple episodes um but let's get into the ones that they did start with now um

[00:32:47] this is the number six show on Netflix so I've said before Netflix pushes things to the forefront

[00:32:51] when they want them to and then sometimes people actually be watching them I'm I'm dying to find

[00:32:56] out which one is true uh but this one is starting with um Junior. Junior has painted black Jesus

[00:33:04] on the wall and this is a direct callback to the original Good Times. JJ had brought in a black

[00:33:10] Jesus painting uh and so uh Bev mom here she's not feeling black Jesus at first but by the end of this

[00:33:16] she is making some cries out to black Jesus to come so that she can win this beautification project

[00:33:21] so they can get one month of free rent and two months uh free of roaches uh Tyrone and um yeah

[00:33:29] that's our storyline for episode one I mean it's pretty it's pretty it's pretty bleak starting off

[00:33:35] you know I uh that's one of the things that I gotta give them some props this is one of the

[00:33:41] things that I appreciate about it I even like the transition of instead of him painting on a like a

[00:33:47] canvas he's painting on a wall that's very modern of how you know you would expect the generation

[00:33:55] uh to utilize their artistic value and things like that so I appreciated uh that part of the

[00:34:02] story and how they brought in uh the character and how they were quick what I also appreciated

[00:34:06] about this first episode is even though you know they all had kind of different storylines you

[00:34:12] were trying to tell them it didn't feel like an origin episode those are usually typically super

[00:34:17] slow and you know hard to kind of like entertain it was just a lot of movement in it but I do

[00:34:23] appreciate how they brought in the characters um and just told a told a story without it being

[00:34:28] kind of slow yeah yeah another person that we meet kind of fully formed is Dalvin the baby that

[00:34:34] we've talked about so much he's a breastfeeding uh hustler okay uh he's on the block uh and he

[00:34:41] is accosted by several other famous babies that be on the block the baby little baby and baby

[00:34:48] mari uh the the little baby took me out that was the one because when I heard the uh the

[00:34:54] impersonation uh like that's what I was like all right all right I could laugh at this this is

[00:34:58] funny yeah and and I the funny thing about these first two episodes I think everything in these

[00:35:06] first two episodes were like the stuff that was shown in the trailer so like oh okay yeah like I

[00:35:14] as I was watching I was like all of this stuff that this was shown in the trailers this is from

[00:35:18] these first two episodes and I don't know if it's like not leading with your good foot or what but

[00:35:24] like I just thought that I did find that part funny um but I also was like what black mama don't

[00:35:35] worship black Jesus like I don't understand that part that part was kind of funny to me too because

[00:35:40] I'm like every black mama I know got black Jesus in their house so I was I was very surprised when

[00:35:46] she wasn't right behind uh the uh worshiping black Jesus but um yeah Dalvin we're right off the bat

[00:35:54] we're introduced to him on the corner selling getting shot at having to come back home and

[00:35:59] they set up his relationship with Reggie and how that the dad doesn't like the drug dealing so

[00:36:05] like I'm still trying to piece how I feel about that dynamic in that relationship

[00:36:10] in a sense because like you know he's not he's not condoning it so he's like trying to kick him out

[00:36:17] and then it's again the obscenity of it being a baby it's just all very interesting it's super

[00:36:24] typical and it's super typical the daddy don't like it the daddy get kicked out I think Chappelle

[00:36:31] talked about this the mama's like no don't kick my baby out the house I still don't talk about it

[00:36:36] the mama's trying to love the baby you know that's that's so typical so typical yeah it's always her

[00:36:42] baby you know what I'm saying like it's like uh you know you can never not be your mama's baby

[00:36:45] it's just it's one of those things well I think there's a lot of hinting to that but uh Mari to

[00:36:50] your point about black Jesus in the original Good Times uh Florida Evans you know the the villain of

[00:36:55] the first series she was not a fan of black Jesus and so uh she threw a she threw a whole ass fit

[00:37:01] when JJ showed up with uh with black Jesus she was not okay with it and so uh this is a yeah

[00:37:06] there's a call back to that but I think it's I think it's a good time to talk about why the baby

[00:37:11] is on the block these people are poor this is poverty this these people are so poor that the

[00:37:16] water heater got up and walked out he said y'all not paying the bills baby I got to go and he did

[00:37:21] he left them uh so now they all got no they all got no hot water they got roaches they're struggling

[00:37:28] to win this beautification project uh project because they gotta they gotta cover up all the

[00:37:32] grout they gotta get the mattress off the floor the baby is poor and so the baby's on the block

[00:37:37] because he's trying to change his life now of course daddy's not a fan of drug dealing baby

[00:37:41] but I mean what would you rather have money or not money and that's I think the the argument we

[00:37:46] always see on all these shows we talk about it on BMF Tyrone uh when we watch even in the pilot we

[00:37:52] see okay we got this drug money coming in clearly these kids are selling drugs because they got

[00:37:57] gold chains they got nice cars all this other stuff but the family's behind on rent they're

[00:38:02] about to get put out the house they eat they're sharing milk Ty in their cereal remember like

[00:38:07] give me some of your milk from your bowl so I can eat my cereal which is poverty but that's wild

[00:38:12] right that is wow and I think what we're missing from that story is what we what we see in BMF is

[00:38:20] they see the drug dealer adults having the bins and having the chains and dressing well and such

[00:38:28] and so they aspire to be that and to have that we don't I just we don't see where the aspiration

[00:38:34] comes from we just know they're poor and he don't want to be poor but do you see somebody that's

[00:38:40] doing what you're doing as a baby that's gonna make you not poor or you just realize that that's

[00:38:47] the thing that you could do to not be poor right that's you know that's that's the part I think

[00:38:51] we're kind of missing from this is what does the baby see yeah well Dalvin is drippy because he got

[00:38:57] a gold he got a gold binky you know I'm saying the pacifier is gold the man is dripped out I mean the

[00:39:03] baby is dripped out and so you look at him you like no wonder why this kid is on the block because

[00:39:09] everybody else he knows is in poverty he's trying to make change I mean his dad is a professional

[00:39:15] cab driver who over the course of two episodes we will see have to chase down a nun

[00:39:20] he will get paid with fake money what is a 24 dollar bill

[00:39:25] right he gets paid in sobriety chips and the biggest scam of all bitcoin and so yeah so

[00:39:32] there's a lot going on so I really think that if you start saying like you know instead of saying

[00:39:37] why is there a drug dealing baby here say why is the baby forced to deal drugs let's really get

[00:39:41] into the let's let's dive into the social issues that led this baby to the black market yeah get

[00:39:48] to the why yeah I mean again though those are all like situations that I were hilarious to me

[00:39:58] but it was just so chaotic that I couldn't really sit with them and maybe I maybe this is a little

[00:40:07] off topic but how do y'all feel about the animation style of this the animation style

[00:40:13] something about it is too much for me like I think I think chaotic is the right word I think

[00:40:19] it's very busy yeah I yeah and so for me it's it's like it's very hard because there's just so many

[00:40:29] colors and and yeah but anyways yeah I I did I did think seeing Reggie like trying to provide for

[00:40:36] and he's like he's like I'm I'm gonna go drive a taxi I'm gonna get enough money to come back

[00:40:41] and so we can do whatever you need to do and then just to see him get absolutely no money I was like

[00:40:50] yeah it's bad it is bad it's bad all around but I mean this is the struggle right this

[00:40:55] is the struggle that they're in and so like you see the people who are trying to do

[00:40:59] the normal I have an eight to five job thing right and like Reggie and it's not paying off

[00:41:04] so then you see the alternative is the baby and uh Dalvin and his dad will never see eye to eye

[00:41:09] because Dalvin don't want to be poor and the and the dad doesn't want to raise a drug dealer and so

[00:41:14] we have this big battle between the two of them um let's see Mrs. Gilroy is dead she wants to

[00:41:21] be remembered as a DJ I had a good laugh at that um because they got the corpse of this lady they

[00:41:29] nice turn on up I guess this is uh Bev's best friend she is a stylist uh and she's also

[00:41:36] making doing photos for people she basically do everything in the hood y'all uh which again it's

[00:41:41] just a bunch of hustlers Ty I really um like you know when you put people in this level of poverty

[00:41:47] at some point y'all haven't gotten that far but at some point there will be a a ladder made of wigs

[00:41:52] and weave that it takes to get to the roof uh so you know these people making a way

[00:41:59] when you can make it away when you can ain't that what the lyrics say

[00:42:04] make it away we can yeah yeah yes though it goes back to I guess my original question is like what

[00:42:14] are you trying to tell and that's why I implore people to keep watching because I'm trying to

[00:42:21] I want to figure that out for myself too right but yes you know when when you are in the projects

[00:42:26] when you are in the hood there's different things that you gotta do that's outside what would people

[00:42:33] call or society called the norm to be able to get by or to make a way um and so you're gonna see

[00:42:40] all of these characters do it in some form or fashion even the grandson is the cab driver

[00:42:47] chasing the nun and climbing the fence right you can I like that part of the story because

[00:42:55] you can see how much stress this nine to five job puts on him and they introduce PTSD or

[00:43:04] and that's even funny because he didn't even know what PTSD was which is a real like that's a real

[00:43:10] thing people like in the black community a lot of people just don't know what PTSD is or don't

[00:43:16] understand it right they obviously at this point have heard of the I think is you call it an

[00:43:22] acronym or whatever they've heard of it but they don't understand all the things that come with it

[00:43:28] and so for them to make that funny by him calling it instead of PTSD I like that type of entry so

[00:43:36] and so I'm hoping that the rest of the series does exactly that right in just a better way yeah

[00:43:44] yeah that gets into episode two black of focus and it is it is very much about mental health

[00:43:49] you know uh it is speaking to PTSD as uh or this dog puss um that showing up as an emotional support

[00:43:57] animal to this person who is going through a level of stress uh from poverty and struggle

[00:44:03] and all that other stuff but also we see them tackle uh junior uh the oldest son his uh

[00:44:11] mental health issues right because he uh is lacking focus they say this kid is under so

[00:44:16] much stress from just being poor that it's hard for him to focus and we see that inside his brain

[00:44:21] creativity has taken control so whenever there's something time that he needs to focus on creativity

[00:44:26] shows up and he and all his focus manifests itself in the form of uh pictures and paintings and

[00:44:32] colors and stuff and drawing where he really should be focusing on math and so at some point

[00:44:37] he will even get medicated marie i'm telling you the show has a point of view yes however

[00:44:45] after we get through the the the kind of like painting how his what could be assumed is like

[00:44:52] an adhd or ada uh add brain focuses or how it doesn't focus the storyline is like oh how he

[00:45:01] had to go and get pills from the street dealer okay maybe because they can't afford to go through

[00:45:06] the right um the right channels maybe it's a um a call to how a lot of people with mental health

[00:45:15] have to self-medicate but then at the end it's just like oh we're sorry we put you on medication

[00:45:21] oh you know it's fine we'll figure it out like it's like oh okay we were right there and then

[00:45:26] we pulled back and even with ptsd the dog it was like oh ptsd the dog is actually really helping

[00:45:33] reggie out q beverly getting jealous of of the dog having to then have sex with her husband

[00:45:40] it's a very weird very graphic animation animated way the booty jiggle was their booty

[00:45:50] need to see any of that and culminate with her being like okay get rid of the dog like you know

[00:45:56] what i'm saying like it's like we're addressing these things but then what is the ultimate payout

[00:46:02] of it you know i'm saying what are we ultimately saying about it are we ultimately saying like

[00:46:06] yeah junior needs help junior we're we're we're acknowledging junior's diagnosis but now we're

[00:46:11] just going to act like it doesn't matter like or we're not are we getting him classes are we

[00:46:17] we're not because clearly we're saying we're not going to get go through the medication route um

[00:46:23] reggie's ptsd it's okay it can be solved with sex you know i'm saying and spending more time together

[00:46:28] like what are we really saying like we're getting to the edge here and we're bringing things up but

[00:46:35] then how are we how is the final testimony being being spread to me so i i agree with you on

[00:46:45] pst right they got rid of that just by having sex right i agree with you on that part that's

[00:46:52] that's not how you handle uh not not longer yeah

[00:47:01] but i slightly disagree with the the the um the mental health from from junior because what

[00:47:11] ended up happening from that is it created a monster right this this this medicine created

[00:47:17] a monster and it reduced his creativity and so it seems like the story that they're trying to tell

[00:47:24] there is you don't need medicine to to solve that maybe people agree or disagree with that

[00:47:33] maybe it's just all right we need to find a way to enhance or pull out more of the creativity and

[00:47:41] and approve of that and celebrate that and put them in a space where that is but that's why i

[00:47:46] i slightly disagree with you on that because i agree it just went super surface level on it

[00:47:51] right right we we created this monster by him taking this adderall or whatever it is

[00:47:56] right let's bring the creativity person or the character back in his brain but once you bring

[00:48:02] him back what's the next step the next thing exactly yeah that's what i'm saying like i i'm

[00:48:08] not saying like oh the medicine is the answer i'm just saying okay that's a great that's a great

[00:48:12] leap we're acknowledging his problem we're trying to treat it the original treatment doesn't work

[00:48:19] but now what you know i'm saying like but now what that that's that's the thing okay

[00:48:25] creativity is taken over but how are we going to um manage him manage manage his actual diagnosis

[00:48:32] going forward yes i got going forward yeah i mean those are the conversations we actually need to

[00:48:37] be having you know i do it that's the i guess that's the question i don't think this is that

[00:48:44] show's point of view i think this show is to is here and why remind you getting that close i think

[00:48:50] this show is here to remind you of the very thing that stops black people from making those uh

[00:48:54] those leaps into health right it's it is these things these things are not for this is not this

[00:48:59] show didn't make up the idea that people would be uh you know opposed to taking medicine even though

[00:49:04] they know the medicine works you know uh we see that junior says i don't like the way it made me

[00:49:08] feel and so they said well we're not gonna do that to you and that is a look as an educator look that

[00:49:13] is a very honest response to medication that i've seen time and time again where it's like your kid

[00:49:18] can focus and get good grades but if he don't feel good doing it you're not gonna make him do it

[00:49:22] that's your kid you know i'm saying uh especially if you feel like it stifles them and their

[00:49:26] creativity and all this stuff and the kids going to advocate for themselves as well if you let them

[00:49:30] and they're gonna say i don't want to do this and so what does that do it leads back to where we

[00:49:33] were a junior has failed the 10th grade three times he probably gonna fail again but here's what

[00:49:37] here's where we are uh we see reggie uh as a cab driver say i'm uh already poor and uneducated and

[00:49:46] now i have stress you know i have anxiety because of all these things and those are honest statements

[00:49:51] so you expect this poor uneducated man with all this and this mental health issues to make a good

[00:49:56] decision for his family when it comes to medication or even for a stressed dog probably not it's not

[00:50:01] realistic was more realistic and for these people to go back to doing what they were already doing

[00:50:04] and i think that the show where the show could say and then they made these changes and they

[00:50:10] started to move closer to getting out of the hood the show is really saying this is all perpetuating

[00:50:14] by you know itself you know this is all leading it like the system is leading these people back

[00:50:18] into the same patterns that they were already in because their bev should not have had an issue

[00:50:23] with this dog right but what she started to see was that dang she felt like her position as the wife

[00:50:28] was to be this stress reliever for this man when reality therapy would therapy would be nice you

[00:50:33] know uh you know uh and a um what do they call it what do they call these dogs these um mental

[00:50:40] health dogs or whatever yeah service dogs yeah oh i actually sat next to a service dog on the plane

[00:50:48] last weekend i'm not even joking sat next to service and the whole time i was thinking you

[00:50:51] would just let your dog just be on your lap on the plane i just gotta sit next to i don't have no say

[00:50:55] so in this but in my head i was thinking well at least you're fine i don't know how you would act

[00:51:00] without the dog so okay cool i'm not a dog person but if it'll keep you from doing something weird

[00:51:07] okay fine i'm down with it but it did take me a minute and i don't know if it's because of how i

[00:51:12] was raised but it took me a whole minute to be okay with i mean i was sitting there thinking

[00:51:16] is there something i could do about this like no disrespect but i ain't asked to sit by no dog

[00:51:21] i'd rather sit by the baby you know and so um so yeah it's just i think those things are probably

[00:51:26] new um i think those things are probably uh something that you don't see i've been in a lot

[00:51:31] of hoods and i've yet to see service dogs you know i've seen blind people in the hood without a dog

[00:51:37] and they need a dog to see to walk and i've seen them just wandering the hood with a stick that's

[00:51:42] it i've yet to see a service dog doing service in the hood so i you know this thing while it was

[00:51:48] a moment a band-aid even for the moment for reggie and even for junior it's also realistic

[00:51:54] for this band-aid to go away it is and it's realistic on how he found it because we just

[00:51:59] talked about it right they don't have the means to be able to go through it through the proper

[00:52:03] channel so it was a stray ptsd talk yeah that's how he got this so maybe the show angle is let's

[00:52:14] introduce these things that maybe we don't talk about enough and then intrigue people to go

[00:52:20] research it on their own and then that starts a different conversation elsewhere maybe yeah and

[00:52:26] we talked about jealousy a little bit too marie and um you know beth being jealous of the dog

[00:52:31] it seems absurd but what's even more crazy and i and i'll say crazy but more like wild to me

[00:52:37] is that we really dive in it's like when gray is jealous now that her brother is no longer the dumb

[00:52:42] uh he's going to get good grades now that he's focusing so gray spends her time in this episode

[00:52:47] trying to sabotage him even flushing his pills she had the opportunity to take on herself and focus

[00:52:53] even more and instead decided to sabotage her brother so that she could be the one at the top

[00:52:58] this is like the crabs in a bucket thing marie it's very real yeah i mean it's it's kind of

[00:53:04] laying out all of all of these issues that that we face here and it's like it's not a pretty

[00:53:11] picture you know i'm saying it's not a pretty picture that's being painted um for the realities

[00:53:17] of people who are who are living um in the projects and stuff like that and who are struggling like

[00:53:22] that and um gray's character i i need to i need more i i you know again i'll see if i if i continue

[00:53:30] i'll let it i'll let everybody know but i i need to know more of what the the um the uh drive was

[00:53:38] behind that i mean i get it just jealousy of not being smart but still like it's like but that

[00:53:44] doesn't jive with your with the the rest of what we i thought we knew about the whole activism and

[00:53:49] stuff like that so it's very interesting yeah you know go ahead i'm glad we're talking about it

[00:53:57] because i'm gaining a newer respect for it in our conversation actually and i see i've seen this

[00:54:07] with with uh folks who are involved in activism is there's a lot of pride that's attached to their

[00:54:15] activism and if somebody is doing something in the household that makes them shine more or shine less

[00:54:24] than the other person then that comes out in different ways and that's what we saw that here

[00:54:29] just even with uh beverly instead of it calling them a dog they called the dog a bitch which that

[00:54:35] is that is obviously a call to true jealousy that would happen in the household with the wife right

[00:54:42] so there i'm gaining a newer respect for it right because i think i recognize that in the moment but

[00:54:47] i didn't fully realize it until we started talking about it i was like oh okay i get what they're

[00:54:52] saying so give it give it a try folks give it a try and and honestly like the it i mean it's absurd

[00:54:59] i think i think the the absurdity of that being um jealous of the dog is absurd but it it it's true

[00:55:07] we've seen this you can see this on social media right now i think of uh that that lady on tick

[00:55:13] tock that black lady on tick tock who uh does the the facial stuff for her dog and and she she

[00:55:20] pampers her dog her like her gray her gray pitbull and her comments are just full of people

[00:55:26] like why is she why is she doing all this for a dog but not doing it for her man oh you know she

[00:55:31] ain't got a man because she's spending all this time with the dog plot twist she's like gay and

[00:55:35] married to her wife like you know what i'm saying it's just like it's true people will see that

[00:55:40] content that that content of her just like pampering her dog and making her dog feel good

[00:55:45] and talking to her dog and the dog you know being the cutest thing and just sitting there

[00:55:50] and being like out but you ain't got nobody in your life i bet you know wild these comments are

[00:55:58] not new like you said maria we see you we you know we see them in the dark corners of social

[00:56:02] media that we like to ignore we see these comments so it'd be absurd to say hey look this this is

[00:56:07] so outlandish like is it is it really um yeah there's a moment where uh uh bev's home girl says

[00:56:14] baby you gotta be the top bitch in that house again it sounded like yeah they sound like that

[00:56:20] came from somebody's soul until you shut this down because your place is to you were supposed

[00:56:25] to be this this person this stress reliever for your husband why would he need therapy why does

[00:56:30] he need a service dog why does he need medication when he has you you know and she's like you're

[00:56:35] right that is true let me get my man back to the best way i know how and i'm gonna go have sex with

[00:56:42] him and make the dog watch she made eye contact with that dog marie creepy i was this is why i was

[00:56:50] like i cannot do this like and again i don't know i don't know what it is because i watch it all

[00:56:58] i watch it all but i am i was so uncomfortable yeah yeah she did yeah she really did um

[00:57:08] yeah so so that's two episodes of this show and like i said it was a lot to talk about in two

[00:57:14] episodes uh not to spoil the series for anybody but yeah coming soon they will talk about

[00:57:19] grace period they also will talk about um talk about uh well what happens when they they lose

[00:57:26] hot water and bev has to go now and try to be the president of the projects um again if you plan on

[00:57:32] watching this all cool check it out but just to give you a little tldr about that episode

[00:57:37] bev goes she needs to step into a leadership role she says she wants to shut down uh the gang

[00:57:43] violence that's around we've got the burgundy crew versus the other crew and they like oh they

[00:57:48] fighting she goes and she shuts it all down she really does uh and then the system steps in and

[00:57:54] says no this is bad for business if crime is low then that means we might have budget cuts for the

[00:57:58] cops and then we have budget cuts and this is gonna happen this is gonna happen we see um some

[00:58:02] very familiar faces some cameos from some particular mayors with uh raggedy afros that'll pop up

[00:58:08] uh so uh look at that uh as well but yeah they get into some stuff like i said six episodes in it's

[00:58:16] very clear that the show has a point of view but it might not be for everybody to me it feels like

[00:58:22] a cross between like me like toucan birdie big mouth and the boondocks and that like it's telling

[00:58:27] the story if you're here for the story you'll understand it you'll get the story you'll you'll

[00:58:31] you'll if you're looking for it you will see it right but i also think that if you're not looking

[00:58:35] for it you can miss it and i think that if you miss it then it's not going to be for you it's not

[00:58:39] it's never going to be for you i don't think it is as um as smart as the boondocks not to call this

[00:58:45] a dumb show but i think that the boondocks does a really good job of like really diving into some

[00:58:50] of these issues in a way but maria they for me they're similar in that they both land on but

[00:58:56] these people don't do any better you know i'm saying like in the boondocks we saw people you

[00:59:00] you know you have the opportunity to get your your extreme home makeover and your ride pimped

[00:59:05] and this that other but you take advantage of the system so much to now you basically living

[00:59:09] in your car because it's got a fish a fish tank in the dashboard you know what i'm saying um

[00:59:14] and that's one episode of the boondocks so um this is not um unheard of territory for me either

[00:59:21] i i do like adult animation but i do think that maybe if you watch the whole thing you i won't

[00:59:26] say you'll love the show but i will say that you will see that there's a point of view a story being

[00:59:30] told and that maybe it's a little bit uh smarter than people are giving it credit for um but i do

[00:59:35] encourage everybody to go check it out and let us know what you think get in the comments and tell

[00:59:39] us hey i watched 10 episodes and chapelle's lying it never it doesn't it doesn't tell the story at

[00:59:44] all there's no there is no through line there's no uh there's no commentary vma here he's crazy

[00:59:50] and then click like and give me a five star review just for that um yeah but uh this again

[00:59:57] mar this is the second time this has come up but i kind of think we got to watch the boondocks now

[01:00:00] we have to it's it's right here i almost watched the first episode of the boondocks to do like a

[01:00:06] comparing contrast of like did i completely understand what the boondocks was going to get

[01:00:11] into in the first episode first two episodes or did i give it a chance in slow belt and i

[01:00:17] understood um but i didn't get a chance to do that so i mean i'm i am not opposed to covering

[01:00:22] the boondocks you don't gotta tell me twice we gotta force tyrone to watch it right so we gotta

[01:00:27] force ty to watch i'm making how watch it with me like i'm like share your screen let's get into it

[01:00:31] let's do a play-by-play uh but yeah tyrone the boondocks does not have any talking roaches

[01:00:36] um but it has a lot of white people saying the n-word so uh you know you may or may not like it

[01:00:41] we shall see but yeah tyrone after our conversation you said you you're warming up

[01:00:47] a little bit to good times i'm i'm warming up to it um i i i ask people you know to uh when you watch

[01:00:56] it talk to other people about it because i think that's what got me a little bit more intrigued

[01:01:01] uh by it it's things that you might see or recognize but you don't necessarily put together

[01:01:08] until other you get other perspectives that are involved with and then it's like oh okay that

[01:01:12] makes sense so i actually even without i know you went up to episode six even when i watched

[01:01:18] all of that and just watching the first two episodes i i kind of see what it is right and

[01:01:23] you i think you can only do this animated i even to the conversation you talked about earlier maria

[01:01:29] about how an extra animated it is like overly animated it is i get it i think it actually ties

[01:01:36] in with how they're presenting the story um and why they probably design the cartoon in that form

[01:01:42] of fashion so i i think i'm having a better understanding of it because of our conversation

[01:01:47] so i just ask people to do that um still criticize it if you want to but i i think you know give it

[01:01:53] give it give it a little bit of try for sure yeah i i agree i say check it out again this is not me

[01:02:00] giving it a glowing endorsement and saying you will love this y'all's not smart enough it's over

[01:02:04] your head like j cole lyrics i'm not doing none of that stuff all i'm saying is check it out

[01:02:08] give it a try try to watch more than one episode try to get past the trailer watch it and say all

[01:02:13] right that wasn't for me move on you know but uh spending your time bashing this show unless you

[01:02:18] feel like this show is harmful and i'm all right i guess that would be my question for you um

[01:02:23] yeah like so this show is going to highlight a bunch of stereotypes but i guess the question

[01:02:27] is does it perpetuate those stereotypes as people who watch netflix now go on and say

[01:02:31] this is a representation of the black community this is bad for business this is uh this is going

[01:02:36] to harm the child that's that comes across this or are people going to have a more nuanced view

[01:02:41] of this ultimately and be able to say no this was a commentary of sorts and it was just presented

[01:02:46] in cartoon form i i don't i don't know what people are going to say i know what i i'm going

[01:02:51] to say i always try and stay away from um painting broad strokes using one thing to paint broad

[01:02:57] strokes on a larger community so for me if i say it's not for me it's not because of my thought

[01:03:04] process of it being harmful for children harmful for people who who watch it it's because for me

[01:03:10] i did not uh i couldn't follow some of the writing until we had to talk it through

[01:03:16] um the animation style took a lot for me to get used to and just because uh of my current household

[01:03:25] i the the cussing was a lot i didn't i truly didn't i was like oh my god there's so much cursing

[01:03:30] in this yeah i love it yeah i did not realize it until my my my son started saying damn damn

[01:03:39] i said if you don't stop it and then as soon as and then i was like oh my god there is so much

[01:03:47] cursing here let me turn this off right now so it's like to me i'm never i it's never gonna be a

[01:03:53] a broad strokes thing it's just gonna be a personal preference and i and i think that's that's how

[01:04:00] art should be be taken and interpreted yeah yeah um tyrone did uh remind me that there was an article

[01:04:07] when the trailer dropped about the naacp and the naacp reacted uh to the trailer of good times

[01:04:15] black again uh and it says the naacp was called on to take action and issue a response in effort

[01:04:21] to gain a more complete clear understanding of the creative direction for the new series

[01:04:25] executive produced by the late norman lear widely recognized as the creator of the original

[01:04:31] alongside basketball great stephen curry and family guys uh seth mcfarland the naacp requested

[01:04:37] screeners of the full episodes netflix declined so instead we contacted creatives and this is a

[01:04:43] a article from the hollywood reporter it says we contacted creators involved with the production

[01:04:48] asked them about their vision and execution they were told that it was a deliberate effort to push

[01:04:53] the envelope in storytelling and tonality uh they were told about real life events that were

[01:04:58] they informed the basis for certain episodic episodes and elements and uh they were reminded

[01:05:04] that the mandate of the adult animation genre is to sensationalize and exaggerate realities uh and so

[01:05:11] the creators have spoken they said listen this is big it is a uh it is an exaggeration it is satire

[01:05:18] but it is to tell a story uh renderings of black lives in media often serve to to buoy the artificial

[01:05:24] uh ideology i'm sorry of white supremacy as the naacp explores in this media guide so there is

[01:05:30] a media guy in the hollywood reporter where they talk about uh i guess uh the the difference in

[01:05:37] perpetuating the white supremacy structure and these uh stereotypes and you know being able to

[01:05:43] use adult animation and the media to highlight those things in a way that's palatable um so

[01:05:50] get into that quote i'll probably put it in the show notes if you want to read it in in depth

[01:05:54] but yeah people got a lot to say about this this is a a hot topic hopefully people will watch it

[01:05:59] and there'll be a lot of discourse and a lot of people viewing this youtube video um because uh

[01:06:04] we need some views and them clicks but in the meantime tyrone thank you again for being with

[01:06:10] us thank you for uh sitting through these two episodes i know it might have been tough for you

[01:06:13] but i i'm kind of confident that you might check out the rest of it i i am going to check out the

[01:06:18] rest of it i the only thing i just wish they i i cannot get over please why did they call it black

[01:06:24] again yeah that gives the overall it feels like it hey this is all black people like it's overarching

[01:06:33] like good times wasn't not black the original so why but you have to say it yeah

[01:06:41] but again it's black again yes but thank you for coming black again again we'll need you

[01:06:49] black again soon to talk about the boondock i think this episode we kind of have to we got

[01:06:53] to get the boondocks out as soon as possible so yeah we'll do that and then people can compare

[01:06:56] contrast our commentaries between the two of them uh tell everybody where they can find you in the

[01:07:01] meantime uh recap kickback thank you tyrone and like again our usual mari mari i know we're on a

[01:07:12] time crunch for our mari time you know the fans might be upset to hear this but you have an

[01:07:17] exciting day coming up yes yes yes i will be giving birth soon within the next few weeks so

[01:07:22] uh we'll see how much i can get in here before i am out on maternity leave uh so far over on

[01:07:29] the wrestling rehab podcast me and matt just dropped our wrestlemania experience uh episode

[01:07:37] we did it live because we decided to do it live two seconds before we decided to record

[01:07:44] and we had so much fun talking about what we experienced what we thought about um being at

[01:07:50] wrestlemania and then our thoughts on all the wrestlemania matches and then the follow-ups

[01:07:57] but we will be on hiatus uh from now on so uh go and catch that we we we dove into as much stuff as

[01:08:04] we possibly can before our break and uh you have to follow us in so you can get our notifications

[01:08:10] when we come back matt's going to we're going to try and keep the youtube still active even

[01:08:14] on break so uh stay tuned for like shorts and stuff so go to youtube.com slash at wrestling

[01:08:21] that's youtube.com slash at wrestling rjpup and then over on the crime scene podcast me and uh

[01:08:30] sarah just celebrated our 100th episode by having latonya starks on where we talked about crime

[01:08:38] scene berlin a uh docu-series on netflix that was very good if you want to talk about something that

[01:08:44] kind of flew by three episodes flew by um is we we really enjoyed it and we had a great conversation

[01:08:52] about uh the the series uh you can go to rob has a website.com slash crime feed in order to

[01:08:59] subscribe wherever you get your podcast that is audio only so make sure you subscribe uh there

[01:09:06] and um we were taking just our our normal one week break before we come back with more episodes

[01:09:12] and uh while i am gone sarah will be uh continuing to have great guests over on the crime scene

[01:09:18] podcast so we're not going to miss any the crime doesn't stop here it doesn't stop so just make

[01:09:24] sure you are uh you're subscribed to the crime scene podcast so you can you get your true crime

[01:09:31] on tuesdays and then follow me on twitter at marie talks too much that's too like a number two because

[01:09:37] no matter where what i'm doing i will be tweeting so that's for damn sure uh so uh follow me there

[01:09:45] chapelle what about you uh i've been doing yeah tweeting not twerking yes exactly very that

[01:09:54] look to work for the community you gotta twerk with the community i think that's a uh that's also

[01:09:58] a good times black again quote uh oh god yeah y'all y'all ain't got that far yet listen y'all

[01:10:03] ain't as decorated as me in these good times streets well thank y'all both for being here for

[01:10:07] sure uh y'all know where to find me here on recap kickback i'm still talking about uh obviously

[01:10:13] talking to what about whatever i want with marie whenever she's here when she's gone talking about

[01:10:18] with tyrone uh we're gonna have latonya starks on soon to talk about the american society of black

[01:10:22] negroes i keep i keep messing up that title because i keep calling it magical magical

[01:10:28] negroes magical negros whatever listen another one that i think that people might have been too

[01:10:36] hard on at first glance you probably can't find it because it's been stripped from theaters but

[01:10:40] uh i got the bootleg y'all so uh we'll be back to talk about that soon uh sasha is now joining me

[01:10:47] uh every other week to talk about summer house martha's vineyard uh um which is an incredible

[01:10:54] show about um black folk and elitism and uh hanging out with your friends in the in the

[01:11:00] black hamptons and uh yeah that just check it out it's a mess it's a bravo show if you like those

[01:11:05] bravo type shows you're gonna love hearing me and sasha talk about it on recap kickback uh.com

[01:11:10] uh also g and i still talk about abbott elementary every other week so check that out some fun

[01:11:17] special guests on these episodes of abbott i think jabria uh is going to be on yeah you know

[01:11:23] and so uh she is smart and we're gonna talk about it on the abbott elementary uh recap that g and i

[01:11:29] will do every week so check that out and then on rhap you can catch me talking about survivor on

[01:11:34] club condo netflix shows with josh wiggler on nothing but netflix and in a slew of other places

[01:11:39] i also did some guesting i was on the scenario podcast on a series called still bill where we

[01:11:44] talked about the cosby show and its impact and you know basically you know where it lands now that

[01:11:51] you know other controversies have been considered and you know the impact that it had on people

[01:11:55] growing up and so we talked about that on the scenario with van everett and i recently was on

[01:12:01] now y'all i should have honestly i should have tried to bring y'all with me but it got the block

[01:12:06] was hot okay it was it was a crowded podcast already but i did a review of the nutty professor

[01:12:11] uh and yeah and it was with uh the was it good though podcast and uh they give a disclaimer at

[01:12:18] the very beginning that we're just going to match the energy of whatever we're talking about over

[01:12:24] there and so i i kind of let the i let the guard down a little bit so you get you get to see some

[01:12:30] authentic chappelle over there on the what's a good though podcast for their episode i believe 99

[01:12:35] uh right before their 100th episode so please check that out i'll put uh their information in

[01:12:40] the show notes as well but for tyrone and for maria you can follow me on twitter at recap kickback

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