Rock of Love Kickback LIVE - Episode 1 Recap

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[00:01:21] Hey, was's up, Fam? Willkommen wieder zurück zu Recap Kickback. It's me, your host Chappelle, and I am back with you for a special presentation, I guess, from Recap Kickback. We have been making our way through the iconic series, The Flavor of Love, and its spinoffs. And we have found our way right through Charm School on our way to the Rock of Love. And so with me to talk about Rock of Love for the very first time live here on YouTube, it's Chantel Francis. Chantel, welcome back.

[00:01:50] I'm so happy for my education here on Sunday School. It's really great. It is a hole that I'm really filling in right now. I thought I might have seen some of the Rock of Love, but watching the first episode, I have never seen this show in my life. I have not seen this show. Maybe I've seen, I think there was a season two. Maybe I've seen some of season two or something.

[00:02:14] I feel like I've seen something, but like not this episode for sure. That was all new to me. Oh yes. We have so much to discuss when it comes to this show. But for the people who are new here, who found us because they are big fans of Rock of Love, Chantel and I are watching this series as a continuation of our series of watching all of the Flavor of Love spinoffs and Flavor of Love. So we started there. We did Flavor of Love season two. We've done I Love New York and we've done Charm School.

[00:02:43] And that brought us up next chronologically to another show that aired that same year. And that is Rock of Love. Now I have seen Rock of Love before. Chantel has never seen this show. So we are going through this spoiler free to talk about our thoughts about it. Kind of, and I'm here to give Chantel maybe some content to like what we were thinking in the real time as to watching it now. And then of course we will, you know, make our predictions about who wins and all that good stuff.

[00:03:10] So try to keep the spoilers to a minimum. We are live on YouTube and Twitch. So if you are joining our chat, make sure you say hello. We see some of our usuals horn hub in the chat. Melissa Elliott, my freakiest frog. What up, Tim? Timothy is in the chat as well. We're having a good time and please don't threaten us with a good time here on RecapKickback.com. But we have to jump in. This episode, Chantel, I really just want to talk about maybe like an introduction to Rock of Love.

[00:03:37] Some of these bigger characters. And then I think next episode, Chantel, do you think we should bring back the tier list to try and determine who we think are going to win? Like, cause I think that's what we did for I Love New York, right? Yes. Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did. Yeah. It would be helpful just for like, well, cause I don't know any of these people. So it will help me get to know them a little bit better if I'm thinking about them in ways of like, where do I put them in the ranking system?

[00:04:03] But I do have a question, just in general, cause like this is part of the, the, the flavor of love universe. Yes. I didn't check. I should have. I didn't check the, the, the credits. Is he like an executive producer on this? Like I did find, and we'll probably talk about it a little bit more that how they did the ceremony.

[00:04:23] So like the, you know, it had the same music or very similar music to, I don't know if it's flavor of love or I Love New York or which or all of the above, but there was like, maybe it was the sound of the times, but I'm just curious if it's considered to be part of the universe. Is he an executive producer and what makes it part of the universe that this is the format, et cetera, et cetera. Yes. So a flavor of love is not credit. I will flavor flavor is not credited to being a producer on this show.

[00:04:52] But I think the reason why this is all in the same universe is that Chris Abrego and Mark Cronin, the two executive producers, they really start with flavor of love and just build out from there. And so, like you said, you'll see the same format used over and over again. So just back in the history lesson. Right. Yeah. So we, the history lesson starts with the surreal life as we've talked about before. That's where we meet Flavor Flav and Brigitte Nielsen, giving them their show strange love with Flavor Flav and Brigitte Nielsen.

[00:05:22] And then I think we got some other spinoffs, but Flavor of Love becomes the first of this format where we have one main lead in the same vein as The Bachelor, if you will. And so we have one main lead. We bring in 20 crazy people and say, okay, can you find love with them? And to your point, they have found a formula that just works. You know, it, it just works. You brought in the right crazy people. You have a lead here with Bret Michaels. He has a bodyguard because you need one.

[00:05:51] And then, especially with this group of women, I might say. And so, yeah, I think that that formula, they're going to run it into the ground. They're just going to keep doing it until it stops making money, Chantel and Mark. I think at this point it's making so much money that they couldn't resist doing the rock of love version of this. Like, are those two producers like rich, like super rich? I'm sure they don't work anymore. Like, I'm sure for multiple reasons, right? Like, I'm sure for one.

[00:06:17] Oh, look at this. There was a spinoff show sold by Mark Cronin to Bravo from one of the Below Deck spinoffs. I believe he sold Below Deck Med to them. So he's still making money. I love Below Deck Med. Me too. And so, yeah, very funny. But, yeah, I don't think they have to work often because, yeah.

[00:06:42] So now, are we following their career journey? Or is it only when they're using, like, how, yeah, explain, explain. Yeah. So as we just talked about, he will go on to create Below Deck, which is a crazy show that we watched on Bravo, right? But in this VH1 world, we are leading up to an event. So since we started this project, there is one particular event.

[00:07:08] There is one show that we will be calling the Avengers of this universe. And we have to watch all these previous shows, kind of in the same way that you would at Marvel series, because you don't really understand Endgame if you haven't seen all the pieces. And so we are going to, we're trying to get to Endgame, Endgame, Chantel. Okay. I did not know that we're going to really become to learn, like, all the worlds collide in some capacity.

[00:07:36] I just, I had no idea that that was what was coming. Okay. So this is really, really effing fun. So you, so I'm imagining that you're taking this final whatever series and making sure that I know every single player in that series. Okay. Right. This is like Survivor winners at war. This is like Survivor 50 where it's like, yeah, you can enjoy it. But would you, wouldn't you enjoy it more if you knew the journey to get there? You know me. Okay.

[00:08:05] You know that I will need to know all the history of everything so I can actually watch it properly. I need to enjoy it to its fullest. So I thank you for taking this on. Yeah. Because not to spoil too much because we don't like to do that here, but there are some other spinoffs that we won't talk about that are not important to that, to that end game that we're reaching for. However, if the people want it, Chantel, those other spinoffs are also cracked.

[00:08:33] Okay. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Okay. And now, can we have an estimate as to when you think we will be covering this end game event? Oh, no, we have so much more. This is 27. Probably because we are just now into Rock of Love. And when I tell you that we still, we're not done with Flav. And quite frankly, Chantel, we're not done with New York.

[00:09:01] And so, yeah, we will be making a couple journeys into the back into our other stomping grounds, you know, moving forward as well. But this is a necessary pit stop to talk about Rock of Love. I mean, this is great. This is great. All right. So, let's just start here with Rock of Love. Like I said, it airs in the, it films and airs basically in the same time. They're churning these series out because they're so formulaic, right? Like, it's so, it's so easy.

[00:09:29] They're basically using the same mansions each time, you know, just kind of like, okay, similar, similar layout. They probably rolling out the same beds, you know, like, there's not a lot going on to separate these shows from each other, except for the style of them. So, this style is going to be Rock of Love. And this is following the idea that Bret Michaels is a rock star. We know him from Poison, but also his solo career. And he's been on so much of a party boy journey.

[00:09:58] Bret is a former traveling musician at this point. He has two kids, but he's always lived the rock star lifestyle. And so, he's looking for love to find someone who will fit into his lifestyle and his view of, you know, kind of what love and intimacy is. Because he already has a first love, Chantel, and that's rock and roll. And so, whoever he picks has to be able to fit into that threesome.

[00:10:23] Threesome is the correct word to describe what I think he's looking for here. I don't know if it's me looking at my, through my lens from right now. But, like, was he, like, a hat thing? Like, I just, I don't find him personally to be sexy and good looking. And even as, like, a rocker, which I know, like, rock stars are supposed to be sexy in a rock and roll kind of way. I just, like, look at him. I'm like, I do not find him sexually attractive at all.

[00:10:53] And also, I mean, there was a lot of pretty girls. But some girls, the way that they style themselves, I'm like, am I just too, is it just too far in the future for me to see these girls as looking hot and pretty and, like, rock and roll? And I don't know. Am I too far removed? Or how do you feel back then? Okay. The best way I can put this is that I feel like Rock of, well, Rock of Love, specifically with Bret Michaels.

[00:11:16] This is a group of women who are infatuated with him from his fame and his time as the sex, like, sex symbol rocker that he was. And so they've been infatuated him their whole life. So this is kind of different than Flavor of Love. Those women were not in love with Flavor of Flavor before they got there, right? They had, like, some of them knew his music a little bit. They were definitely attracted to him. Some of them, you know, I'll give them that. And then they, of course, attracted to that lifestyle. You know, my man, my money, my mansion. You know, that kind of thing.

[00:11:45] Like, here, I think these women idolized Bret Michaels in a lot of ways. You know, we're talking about people who are saying, I slept with his album and spooned it. You know, I had pictures of him on my wall. You know, this is the equivalent of growing up, being in love with him, and now getting the chance to actually date him in a world where they thought that they would never be able to be in the same room as him. And so they're also kind of giving the aesthetic that he likes as well, right?

[00:12:12] Like, that rocker kind of, like, early 90s, I guess I would say. Maybe, like, you know, a little grungy, you know, but, like, they're definitely giving a very specific vibe because this is the type of woman that he's into. The types of women that you would meet on the road when you're traveling and performing, the ones that are going to these concerts, it's very stylized. So even the women are, like, basically trying to fit into a role that they think that Bret Michaels would like.

[00:12:39] I don't think any of them are, like, out of place here. They all seem like, no, this is the type of music they like. This is the type of person that they would like to hang out with. And so, to me, the women match Bret, and then the aesthetic goes around that. Okay, yeah, yes. I'm just, like, looking at them, I'm like, is this pretty? Like, I'm like, does that look good? Like, I don't, I can't, I don't understand. But, like, maybe back then I'd be like, ooh, yeah, she's, like, rock and roll.

[00:13:08] She's, like, amazing for him. Maybe back then if I was. Yeah. I also guess I never thought that he was good looking. That's probably why I never tried to watch the show because I was less, like. I would love, I would love to gauge how you feel about Bret Michaels throughout. Because I know at first with Flav, you were kind of looking at him crazy. But then there were definitely moments. There were definitely moments where I felt like you were warming up to Flav.

[00:13:34] You're like, no, you became a Flav fan, I would say, by the end of this. Are we correct? Because he looks so cute now. Like, he's just like, he's like a little boy that's, like, grinning, you know? He's kind of silly. I mean, I would want to gauge that as well. I just don't know if I feel the same. But maybe, well, yeah, maybe I'll have a change of heart. Maybe I'll think he's the hottest guy.

[00:14:01] Like, out of hot rockers of that time, I thought, like, Tommy Lee was, like, hot. I didn't think that he was hot. You know? Right, right. And that's, like you said, there's very much that rocker aesthetic that was very popular. You know, for a lot of these rock stars, they were known for their music, but they became sex symbols just from existing. Right? Just they played the guitar. They were on stage. They got a lot of charisma. They make the songs. They make your heart cry a little bit. And then somehow they make you feel like you're the only woman in the room, even though there's probably 25 women on the bus with you, you know?

[00:14:31] And so, yeah, so we get to track Bret Michaels. I will say this. Through one episode, though, I like how Bret handles the show in comparison to Flav. You know, I think Flav was kind of, like, kind of like what you say. Flav kind of gave this, like, immaturity to the way he was interacting. You know, like, somebody walks up with boobs and his eyes got, like, get big. Wow, man. You know, like, yeah. Well, this is a little bit like that, talking about, like, a just-stated gazillion times. I definitely understand.

[00:15:01] But what I'm saying is Flav came from a more like a childlike wonder, whereas Bret is like, he's in on it. He's like, nah, these women came here to have sex, and I would like to have sex. A lot. Like, I would like to. He talks about the spiritual connection that he has with these women, and that just being that a woman said, hey, I let you have three other girlfriends. You know, I think Bret is kind of coming at it. Like, he knows that we are, like, we are looking at him as a horndog, and he's like, yes, I am. I am that. And hopefully the woman that I choose will be that, too.

[00:15:29] There is no illusion here that Bret will be waiting for marriage or anything like that. You know what I'm saying? Like, I think he's all in on his side of what the assignment is. And do you think that there are other people that were in the running for this position? Like, how do you think that he was chosen? Was there, like, a on-the-road to rock-a-love with, you know, some former rock stars? Or current rock stars? I don't know. I actually never thought about that before.

[00:15:59] Like, how did they land? Yeah, how did they land on Bret? I would say this. VH1 at the time really was the place where, well, where celebrities could get, like, their taste of reality show fame. You know, with the surreal life, we saw the return of, you know, that woman from Top Model, Adrienne, and her husband, Chris Knight, I believe his name was. And they go on to have My Fair Brady.

[00:16:27] And then you have, you know, Flavor of Love with Brigitte and Flav. I think Vern Troyer was on the surreal life. I think a lot of them were getting there. Wait, I forgot about that guy. Yeah, he was sitting in that little chair, and he was peeing in the corner. He got that drunk. Janice Dickinson also spent some time on the real life. So did Omarosa Manigault Stallworth. And so, you know, I think it was big. Omarosa was on surreal life? With Janice Dickinson, and they almost came to blows. Yeah. It's like, oh, dusty. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:16:57] It sounds like we might need to do a surreal life part. I'm joking. I remember in three years. Yeah, in three years. When we're done with all this, maybe we go back to surreal life. But all that to say is that VH1 was the place where you can get your second start. I think, was Hogan Knows Best on VH1, too, or was that MTV? I feel like it's all the same people. I think it was MTV, to be honest, just because I feel like I had access to it.

[00:17:27] I had access to MTV. So if it ever came on MTV at some point, I probably watched it. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. And so my point is that this was the time, right? If anybody was going to do it. No, I just looked it up. It was VH1. Yeah, this was the time. If you wanted to kind of revitalize your career as a, you know, whatever that looked like, right? Who knows? Bret Michaels might have an album dropping. Obviously, if he doesn't have an album dropping before this show, you should definitely drop one now, right?

[00:17:55] Because no one is going to be as interested in your music as they were today after you have the show on VH1, which is popping at this point. Remember, Flavor of Love takes VH1 to new heights, the highest rated show they've ever had. Charm School goes on and basically matches that level of success. So we're really just capitalizing on the momentum, and we needed a person. So, Chantel, knowing that we are now at Rock of Love, how do you feel about VH1 kind of

[00:18:23] shifting to this content as their bread and butter? I mean, I love it, obviously. I'm grateful for it. I'm just actually going to ask you, do they produce anything right now? Because I know for a while around this time, Fox had some shows that were on. I watched, I believe it was Temptation, no, no, Paradise Hotel, Temptation Hotel. Paradise Hotel. I remember Paradise Hotel. You know, and I think that was on Fox, if I'm not mistaken.

[00:18:50] And there was a few other shows like that that were on Fox. And so VH1 seems to have a similar kind of like messy kind of reality show that was going on that I kind of like. Do they have anything going on? Because it seems like Fox has revitalized their engine here with, there's a few shows that have gone through Fox, like Fear Factor and was it The Snake? Was that what it was called? Yeah, that was on Fox too, yeah. Yeah, like, you know, there's been a few shows that have been coming through Fox again.

[00:19:19] Are there some new shows coming through VH1 that we need to maybe look at? No. Uh, no. So VH1 ends up basically being owned by Paramount and Paramount owns BET Media Group and BET Media Group owns VH1. And so ain't nothing coming from BET. BET Plus is damn near gone thanks to the, what was it, Tyler Perry basically selling all his stuff.

[00:19:47] And so, yeah, there's pretty much nothing there. Uh, it's a few strays on BET Plus, but I think the most recent thing that VH1 has given us is probably like Love and Hip Hop. I think, uh, RuPaul's Drag Race. That's pretty good actually. Yeah, but I mean, like I say recent because Love and Hip Hop started 20 years ago, you know, uh, 2011. Um, and so, um, so yeah, I mean, who, uh, RuPaul's Drag Race was on VH1 for a while. It didn't move over to Logo and now I don't know what it's on.

[00:20:16] Uh, I think it's back to Paramount, uh, proper. So yeah, this was just, this was the heyday for VH1 reality TV shows. See, I really, really hate how bigger companies steal the small companies and then they lose their luster, right? So like, like VH1 had a good thing going, loses luster. I think MTV had a good thing going. They had some good shows coming out at MTV, whether I love the real world. I love road rules. I love the challenge.

[00:20:42] And now that it's going through, oh, I even loved, are you the one now that it's going through Paramount, Viacom, like whatever that acquisition merger is. Like they all, either they don't get made anymore or they suck. Like I was like, why are you coming and ruining all these good things? And it's just very frustrating that money and like a bigger company coming and taking over, you lose the whole reason why they wanted to acquire you in the first place. That's true. Yeah.

[00:21:09] VH1 has struck gold here and they were going to milk it for as long as possible. And so we're going to really start following the journey of like how many different ways VH1 tries to go back to this well of the kind of of love series. But let's talk about the women and kind of like the standout moments in this episode. We meet Big John, who is a Bret Michaels version of, you know, Big Rick. Yeah, exactly. And Big John may or may not be a former Marine, but he's definitely a bouncer.

[00:21:38] Him and Flav have been friends for a very long time. I mean, not Flav. Brett have been. That's going to be a habit I got to break. We've been talking about Flav for so long. So him and him and Bret were good friends and it's his job to kind of make sure Bret doesn't make the same mistakes that Bret made on tour. And so we have 25 women in this first episode. Big John is going to immediately eliminate five of them. And it seemed like with like to no knowledge of Bret. Right.

[00:22:07] Like it's like Bret was like, hey, Big John has something you got. He wants to do with y'all. Goodbye. And then next thing you know, five people were eliminated. I mean, I'm sure he had an idea of what was going on. It does happen in the world of like rock and roll or celebrity who's allowed on the bus, who's allowed at the after party. Um, it was really awful. But one time I was, my friend of mine was dating like a raptor and, um, there was a,

[00:22:34] another actor was having his birthday and it was this boat cruise that we're going to go on around. And like, we had to like dress up and look good because if you didn't look good enough, you were left on the dock and people were left on the dock. And I was like, oh my God, I would die if I was left on the dock. And so like this girl was left on the dock and she was so bad because her friend stayed and she's like, well, my purse is on the boat. And so like her friends, I didn't want to bring her in the purse in case they left her with

[00:23:03] Oh my God. So they left their friend on the dock and kept her purse because they did not want to get off the boat. And I was just like, oh my God. So yeah, I do understand that in that world, if the, whoever's making the selection doesn't think you look good or fit the vibe, um, being left out, it's kind of standard, but for a night one elimination, I also hate that too. Right. Right.

[00:23:32] And we have not seen a night one elimination yet in flavor of love. Like we saw Safari obviously eliminated, uh, you know, kind of instantly, but that was due to other circumstances. And so this time around, yeah, we're really, we're already messing with the format, right? Just to see, okay, how can we spice this thing up? And the rock and roll lifestyle means that everybody can't get backstage. And so we lose Pam, Kelly, Kimberly, Meredith, Raven, uh, and, uh, no, no, we don't lose Raven, Meredith, Kimberly, Kelly, Pam, and Tiffany.

[00:24:02] But Tiffany tells us, nah, I ain't going nowhere. I'm getting back in that house. And we meet our first big character of the season. Chantel, Tiffany is a whirlwind of a human. Uh, she gets really, really drunk, but she survives. And that's a trope we've seen in flavor of love too. Well, that's the trope. It's like the messy ones don't go home. Like, like, like it is, it, they just don't, they always say you want to be learning to create the job.

[00:24:31] You want the people that are going to interrupt the conversations. You want the people that are willing to take risks and chances, look foolish, look like what do whatever it takes to get to the next level, to get the intention, to get the date, whatever. So like, she's driving storyline and whether you like her or not find her annoying or what even Brett says at the end, that you're entertaining. And that's creating a TV show. You need entertaining people on. Yeah. No, that's what I'm saying.

[00:24:59] When I say that Brett kind of feels like he's like, he's on the level. Like he does not try to pretend like we did make a connection. He's like, no, people get drunk and mess up. But also you're good TV. Everybody here hates you. I'm keeping you around. Flav wouldn't say that. Flav would be like, oh, I wanted to give you another chance. Blah, blah. You know, with something he got, it goes out his way to make sure something's still on the show, which is cool. But like, he never once been like, because why would I eliminate the woman who shat on the floor? Like that's, that's what people came here to see.

[00:25:28] Brett's telling us, no, people came here to see Tiffany. So we're going to show you more Tiffany. Tiffany is like quintessential, like, like stylized of people of that time. She reminds me of, I think her name was Natalie from season nine of Big Brother. Big Brother. I know exactly where you're going. Like light streak. Like 25 years older than she actually is. Like, how do we know how old Tiffany is this episode? Because she looks like she's my age and she's probably like 22.

[00:25:57] Uh, yeah, I think someone, someone accused her of being 50. I want to say in the episode as well. I don't know if she's 50. Let me see if we can get the, um, the ages of, um, cause they might be on the Wikipedia, but who knows? Remember we are still back in the olden days where people's, uh, cast photos aren't readily available. There's not a lot of bios out there. And so we got to take, do like some really deep diving to find out more about these women. Uh, I don't know if the microfiche, right?

[00:26:28] They're going to make me work for this one. So with flavor of love, the thing is I've seen those seasons so many times that I knew the answer to a lot of your questions, just based off of the strength of I've seen these seasons so many times I've done the research on my own. Um, but this is actually a question I've never thought about. Um, because, uh, yeah, her, um, her age was up for debate, uh, very early on. I was able to find her Instagram page, um, but it does not have her age. And so I guess we'll have to address that later on.

[00:26:57] Another thing that I've noticed with the cats, I don't know if it's because I've seen clips and stuff like that, but I feel like a lot of the people may have gone on to do other things because some of them look like a young version of somebody, somebody that I know now or I've seen more recently. And so I'm like, I'm like, do I know that person? I'm like, or like, if I just saw them back then. And so I, I am, I will be curious if some of these people, uh, do more things later because

[00:27:25] they look, they look a little bit familiar. Can I tip my hand a little bit on, uh, on Tiffany as a character? Sure. I do not like Tiffany. I am not a fan. Uh, I think I appreciate the N word pretty, pretty sure. She drops the N bomb, the N bomb very early on in this show and they don't even bleep it. Uh, the first time. Oh, the first time. No. And then they get censored over there. I was like, yeah, there's a, okay. VH one. I see we're doing that. Uh, not a fan.

[00:27:55] Uh, listen, I'll give me a drunk mess of a reality TV contestant all the time. But the moment you start to make, uh, you know, racial remarks and stuff like that, I kind of have to look at it. Very, very rude to Dallas. And I was like, her name was Dallas, correct? Yeah. But Dallas. Yeah. And so like, I was like, okay, so you say that and she's kind of having a reaction to that. Doesn't really like your personality. And then you're putting your hand in her face and you're kind of being extra rude to her. Um, what's, what's that all about Tiffany?

[00:28:26] Yeah, it's tough. Cause Dallas is like, Dallas is handling this way more better than I would. Right. Like she's just kind of like, she's, she's also not allowing the nonsense to happen. But again, if look, I'm just saying if Dallas took it a little bit further, I would have just turned a blind eye at that point. Right. Like, why do we have big John here? We're not, we're going to allow people to do shit like this. Um, big John, get your ass over here and do something. Uh, because Tiffany works her way back into the house. She knocks, she beats on the door until they can ignore her no more.

[00:28:55] Big John comes open the door and she begs and pleads. She's like, I I've never, like, I can't go home. I, I, I have to be here. I love this man. Made a hat. She tells us three times she made a hat. I have yet to see this hat. So we don't see this hat. I don't know if we're going to see that. I need to see the hat today. Like, I need to see that. The next episode needs to start with the hat because we heard about it three times. Is it called the hat? The hat. Yeah. She made a hat. I mean, like, what does the hat say?

[00:29:23] Like, it's like a, like a rhinestone or bedazzled cowboy hat. Like, what's this hat? Yeah. I don't know, but she made him one. She made a hat for the occasion. I think, you know, uh, Brett Michaels wearing a very prominent hat, like a cowboy style hat. I think that rodeo also comes in with the hat. So I think it was part of the aesthetic as well. So she made a hat for the occasion. Her begging and pleading does work. At first I was, I was very supportive of this, right? Like don't take no for an answer.

[00:29:51] You're on TV, you know, go knock on the door, see if they'll let you in. If they don't let you in, then fine. The worst thing you could do is get some screen time. But I mean, just going quietly and crying and weeping in the limo, that's not going to do you any good. I think that the producers knew what they were doing here, right? Like, I think that in their interviews, they're probably with Tiffany being like, well, what happens if you got eliminated? Like, what would you do? She's like, I would do anything to stay in that house.

[00:30:16] I like, he's my, you know, I'm sure they had an idea that she would give them this. And so, yeah, I think that she was specifically selected to be a person that was put out because I wouldn't think that just to look at her aesthetically, she was, you know, the least attractive or least didn't fit the vibe. Like, I don't think so. And so I think that she was picked on purpose and let back in on purpose. Yes.

[00:30:42] So Big John outlines the rules of staying in the house. And he says, there are three rules. Don't go into Brett's room unannounced. Don't touch the guitars. And don't puke in the jacuzzi. Chantelle, do you think any of these rules will be broken this season? I think they'll all be broken by Tiffany. Next episode, she's barging in the Brett's room. First thing in the morning, wearing a hat with the guitar. Puking in the jacuzzi.

[00:31:15] She had nowhere to sleep, right? She had nowhere to sleep. She said she'd sleep on the floor. She'd sleep in the bathtub if she had to. Exactly. So she's puking in that jacuzzi. Yeah. Do you think she's going to wake up and have, like, you know, drunk remorse? You know, sometimes you get, like, a hangover and you're just kind of like, oh, what did I do? Feel bad? Like, do you think she's going to have any sort of regret? Or do you think... I mean... I guess you know. Well, I mean, it's something to talk about. We've seen people come back from something like this.

[00:31:44] Goldie's first night in Flavor of Love was her... She wasn't obnoxious like this. No, but she was drinking strawberries and champagne. And then she threw up in the living room in front of everybody. Not the jacuzzi. Not the jacuzzi. But she was the drunk girl night one. And Goldie goes on to be one of, if not the fan favorite from The Flavor of Love season one, for sure.

[00:32:10] I don't think that she will become the fan favorite just because she's not likable. So it's just like... Like, the people in the house have to like you and the audience has to like you for that to work. And she doesn't have any of that going for her. So the only people that like her are the producers, really, I'm sure. Yeah, public intoxication on reality TV used to be a very endearing thing for the viewers. It was like embarrassing, but also relatable. So, you know, Michael's pointing out in the chat.

[00:32:39] It's how Snooki started on Jersey Shore, you know? Look at her now! I'm a good person, you know? So those things happen on TV. We see if they can bounce back from it. She will be given another chance. But if they had asked the girls, they definitely would have told her to kick rocks. Like, I don't think one woman in that house had anything positive to say about Tiffany at all. So like, yeah, obviously this woman made a racist remark toward Dallas.

[00:33:06] And so Dallas, of course, should rightfully so not really fuck with Tiffany. But, I mean, nobody in that house was down with that. Like, they want her out. Yeah, they did not care for her at all. Like, she... I mean, she might have a change of tune the next day, right? Like, you know, she's drunk. She's on TV. She's almost kicked off. Like, emotions are heightened. She doesn't know these people. Maybe she will try to start a new leaf.

[00:33:33] But I also think that she might have figured out her role. And her role is probably to be the antagonist here. And she might have just live it up. But I think a lot of these women, this is very reminiscent of Flavor of Love Season 1, is that, like, they came here because they're here to get a rocker. And then they're going to realize about halfway through that, oh, yeah, this is TV. You know, this is my chance to be a star. But I don't think they came in, a lot of them came in looking at it that way.

[00:34:01] Like, I think when they saw Bret Michaels, a lot of them were thinking, like, oh, no, this could be my thing. Yeah, this might be the way to his heart and the way that I can get this man. Or to the rock star lifestyle. Because we get some good sound bites from some of these women. I want to start with Brandy M. Brandy M says... She's a Scorpio. She's a Scorpio. And she is led by her genitals primarily. Now, I know you are an astrology girly, Chantel. It is true.

[00:34:29] The Scorpios, they're genital driven. Well, it's... Yes, it is true. I can't remember all of them. But it's like Aries, I believe, is driven by their body in general. If I'm not mistaken. Cancer women, I believe, are driven by their Bressises. I can't remember all. Like, there's another...

[00:34:57] Like, I think Aquarius, that it's fitting for me, is ruled by their calves. I've been told my whole life I've had really nice calves. Yeah, you're a dancer. You get it. My nickname used to be Tina, you know? I'm just saying. Okay. But there... I did do a class where we did talk about each side and where they're driven for. And if I'm not mistaken, it is the genitals with Scorpio. So...

[00:35:25] Brandy M is described as sexy and seductive by Brett, but she says she is here to fuck Brett Michaels. Her words, not mine. She says she's going to get her to rock her ass and hopefully make him her bitch. I believe her. I really enjoyed Brandy M in this episode because she's... Oh! She's just... That's your title! No. She's just saying it. But she's just saying it how it is. And that's what I want from a reality TV contestant. Just talk. Speak Your Mind. She's not your smiley.

[00:35:55] No. I don't think I have a smiley this season. Come on! There has to be one smiley. To be fair, you didn't have a... Did I have a smiley in season two? Beautiful. Beautiful in season two of Flavor of Love. Yeah, that's the one. I did love her. She did have a cold sore, but she probably got it from Flav. Let's just be honest. So anyway... But Brandy has another good quote where she's like... I don't know how Tiffany got back in. She must have sucked Big John's dick. I was like, ma'am. She said it twice.

[00:36:24] She said, how many dicks did you have to suck to give him? Yeah, the first time she said just like how many dicks. And the second time, did you suck his dick? Or whatever. Big John. Big John? Big John. Big John. Yeah. Big John. She's very clear about like... Maybe she did. What do you think? I don't think it got that real so early on. Don't get me wrong. I'm not taking it off the table for the future. But damn, like... If I'm the producer... John, stop it. Just let her in. You know what?

[00:36:54] You're not doing it. Stop. It's not worth it. Do you know what? I really think that the fact that they don't let people get wasted on TV anymore... It really, really sucks. You know? Like... They used to... Remember, even in the real world, Bushmo College, The Challenge. Like you hear stories about Johnny Bananas saying that they would get thousands of dollars a week to spend on booze. That they had to spend on booze. They had to have unlimited amounts of alcohol available.

[00:37:23] And we see some pretty epic, crazy fighting or hookups or whatever. All these different things are happening because the booze are in the equation. Now it's like, oh, you get two sips of wine and half a beer for your delivery on Big Brother. I'm just like... Yeah. Blame. That's because they proved they didn't know how to act. You know? For every epic fight or whatever, there's some problematic shit laced in there as well.

[00:37:50] For every epic hookup, there's a person who wasn't all in on the hookup. For every, you know, like bully moment, there's somebody... I'm not actually rolling my eyes to like... You're like, get over it, Tanya. No. I think I'm not over it. Well, I was about to pick on the Big Brother comment, actually, because I remember in Big Brother 6 when they get drunk. And I think it's Bo and Janelle are yelling at each other. He's like, polyester hair. And she's like, you sleep with Mary Ben?

[00:38:20] And I think he grabs her hair. It was close to getting really rough. So, yeah. I got a margarita party or whatever. Margarita. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And so it's like, there are good moments that cover that stuff, but also some kind of questionable moments too. People got to learn how to act on TV and then we can have more, you know... There got to be a mixture, right? Go party, but then also act like you got some damn sense. So, I agree though. More alcohol on TV makes TV better. Just saying.

[00:38:49] So, one of the other standouts in this episode, since we're talking about the Brandys, we have to talk about Brandy C and her not twin sister, Christia, because they are both blonde and that's good enough for them. They're siblings. They're also dating and they're going to date Bret Michaels together. Her voice. I don't know how long I can take that voice because I just don't feel like it's authentic, right?

[00:39:15] I believe that when you are being truthful, you sit and like from the bottom, you speak from the bottom of your voice. When you're speaking all up here, I feel like it's like you're trying to be likable, not to be too overwhelming, too pronounced, wanting to be very as feminine as possible. Like, but she's not being her true self. And so, it really, really irks me. And so, yeah, I find her annoying. Are you comparing Brandy C to Buck Wild?

[00:39:45] I could. Let's look at this. Yes, I am. No. They're not being a version of themselves. They think that people would rather them be because who they really are, they're not confident in. So, yes. Similar. She, Brandy C's entire personality is I'm blonde and I have boobs. And I like other people who are blonde who have boobs as well. She gives us a whole rundown of the different types of boobs that are in the house.

[00:40:15] She's like, you know, some of y'all have like the gummy bear type boobs. And this other girl's like, that's what I have. She's like, oh my God, can I touch them? And then, of course, her and Krista come together. I think the iconic line from this episode is Krista being like, oh, we're smarter. We think better when we put our boobs together. You know, I remember them playing that in the commercials and people just roll it. They're like, oh my God, these women are going to be train wrecks. And they were. They honestly are. You have to know that she's a mess with that stomach tattoo. Right.

[00:40:46] Like, so. Oh, yeah. I even. Yes. That's like, you know, tramp stamps, like the back, you know, like. Yeah. But like, what are they called when it's over your abdomen? Like, like other than hideous. Hideous. I really enjoy Brandy C because she's not going to be ignored. You know, I like that about her where she's. Brent is trying his best.

[00:41:13] Yes, he has to do the 51st dates like Flav did, you know, in his little mixer. But for Flav, it was a little bit more organized. Like the women were kind of giving each other space. We saw a couple people interrupt, you know, but it never really got contentious. It doesn't look like Brent had one one-on-one conversation throughout that entire night because every woman came with two other women who were just going to like plop down, sit in his lap, sit on the edge of the couch, interrupt the conversation. And Brandy C tries this.

[00:41:42] She says, come, come shoot me how to shoot pool. Oh my God. And he's like, that's good. But like, he wasn't about it. No, it's so she keeps trying and she keeps trying and she's dragging away. Then at one point, there's like a tug of war between her and I think it was Mia. And she's just like, you promise you're not acting like you love me. These women, there's the self-respect, Chappelle. Come on. I don't know if I could be on one of these shows because A, I don't think he's a catch.

[00:42:11] But okay, I take your point that they've been dreaming about this man for their whole life. So like they have a different parasocial relationship to him than I do. So I'll give them a pass there. But like, I would never be tug of warring against it with a man, with another girl. Like, are you crazy? If it's not me, then you can have him. Like, that's always my motto. So Mr. Robot says she's a pick me. And yes, she is. And honestly, I don't hate that because again, this is a show that you want to get chosen. You want to get picked.

[00:42:42] And she's telling Brett everything that she wants to hear. They have a very spiritual connection, Chantel. She says, you know, you can have up to three to four girlfriends if you want, but I got to be the main girlfriend. I just got to be girlfriend number one. And if that ain't a pick me statement, nothing is. It is like that. That is like the epitome or the epitome. Are you watching? I'm not watching, but I've heard of that. I've heard of the epitome. Yes.

[00:43:10] Um, of pick me. It's like, I'll be the best. I'll be exactly who you need me to be because I'm the best girl. And all these other girls suck. But like, you'll be coming home to me because I'm the best girl. Yeah, she sucks. She's the best. She's okay TV though. Um, I haven't looked at all their boobs properly since she brought it up. Um, I need, I want to actually be able to see which ones I think are the best boobs. Cause like, I couldn't really tell which ones I liked the best. Did you have a favorite set?

[00:43:39] Uh, I have to really take a look at it like that and just really just sit and judge it. Chantel, like nobody's boobs jumped out as like extremely special. I think cause they're all mostly, you know, implants. How do you feel about fake boobs? They look good. As long as they look good. Okay. As long as they look good. It's not my body, but as long as that, like when I look over there, they look good. Then we all have no issue. They look kind of off. Like, was it hottie who had the boobs that were on us?

[00:44:09] And she got one up by her chin and one by Coochie. Yeah. Look, as long as they look good and you like them, I love them. And so, uh, yeah, for, for these women, there's a lot of fake boobs going around and, uh, we will see some of them pretty up close, uh, because. Oh, she had a nice, like a nice nipple, like for the most part. Oh, you caught nip? The nipple. What was her name though? Oh, we're talking about Heather. Yes. Heather. Cause when she does this, like you can see her full nipple on like the side. Oh yeah. Some side boob.

[00:44:39] Yeah. She's got a good boat looking boob. I'd say. Yeah. So, uh, Brett wants to get to know these girls. No, um, no nickname. Uh, ceremony. I did want a nickname ceremony. And he might end up giving people nicknames though. He might. We heard about wild thing, uh, for Brandy M potentially. And so maybe there are nicknames coming, but we didn't have a ceremony here. What we ended up doing is Brett wants to get to know the girls a little bit better by taking photos of them.

[00:45:06] And so each of them gets to like pose for the photo and however they will. And while many of them are showing off their assets, you know, their arms, we saw rodeo really showing off her body. We see Heather be the first one to just pop a boob out. Just pop a titty out. Sexy. You know, sexy. Now, is he an amateur photo photographer or was this just a gimmick to get them to take sexy photos in front of the camera? I think yes. I think the answer is yes.

[00:45:34] I think he is a amateur photographer who does amateur photography because he wants women to take sexy photos in front of him. Oh, okay. Yeah. I think, I think, I think it's across the board. Also, sometimes they would show little stills of some of the photos. Do you think those are actually the photos that he took? Or do you think that, you know, was another, somebody else? Like some headshots? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. They're like all like cannons are not good. And you're just like, yeah. Like, were those the photos that he took? I hope not. I hope not.

[00:46:05] But he said a lot of them weren't giving him a lot, but people like Heather, they gave him everything that they had. You know, Heather pops out the booth. Her photos were the best. They were. She really did. She showed up. Now, a lot of the other women did not like that, but I love that there are haters amongst the bunch, right? They see it. It's so good though. It's so good. Everybody's old or a whore. I believe Heather is the first one to be called a whore on this season. Um, I forgot who called her a whore. Probably Brandy M.

[00:46:34] That's kind of her thing. Um, yeah. Oh no. Uh, Aaron who said, um, Heather wanted to sew out by showing off, uh, showing off her other titties cause these other broads aren't as sexy as her. Um, and she's like, Aaron's not going to lower herself because Heather is, uh, Heather the whore is a 32 year old stripper. Apparently there's a lot of strippers in this house. Okay. Okay. So maybe you'll find your new smiley. No.

[00:47:01] And so, no, they're not a smiley in the bunch, not a beautiful in the bunch either. This is a different bunch, you know, but her hair is a mess, but there's one cute girl. The girl that he says is like the cutest, like the best looking girl. I thought that Tamara very cute face. And she's one of the people that I think looks like somebody I've seen before. Gotcha. Yeah. Uh, he really likes Tamara, um, says she's, she's one of the prettier ones.

[00:47:26] Um, I think that here with this, uh, like this idea now that there are multiple strippers in the house, this is pretty interesting, right? Because we saw kind of how the women in flavor of love looked at sex work and strippers and how, how much trash they talk. And then we got, um, that finale where pumpkin was telling, uh, you know, the women in the crowd, no, I'm a white girl. I'm blonde hair, blue eyes.

[00:47:55] We're less conservative than the black women are. And they're like, you saying white women are whores. And she's like, listen, don't, don't disrespect my culture. What I said is we like to party and have a good time. Chantel, do you think pumpkin's words reign true? And that's why they went in this direction because these people are not judging them for being strippers. Like they were with the flavor of love girls. Maybe, maybe they're just like, Oh, like let's get a button.

[00:48:21] Do you think that maybe pumpkin's going to make an appearance or like, no, pumpkin's going to host charm school for the rock of love girls. Oh my gosh. Let me tell you about the whore of charm school. She has to like bequeath her knowledge. I mean, are you like, is this, is this the main thing? I can't spoil anything. Chantel, please. But like, I definitely think that some of these ladies will need to go through charm school.

[00:48:50] I do think that there'll probably have to be another season of something just to have a few more people to funnel through. But if there's a charm schools too, I can see it going in this direction. The rock version. Yeah. Rodeo big standout in this episode as well. So she, um, she, she, she's kind of like, um, like she's, she's, she's called rodeo. That's not her real, her birth name, obviously, but she's called rodeo. She's wearing the black hat. Um, she's got a crazy arm.

[00:49:19] She's really, uh, like, uh, yeah, she's a personal trainer and her and Brett bond over their, uh, their kids. Right. Like she has a son, uh, Brett has two daughters, but then they also, uh, bond over some of their health struggles. Rodeo was once a diver and she ended up like partially paralyzed. She then went on and beat cancer as well. Um, Brett is like, I was a juvenile diabetic as well.

[00:49:47] Like, so they can kind of like, okay, we see each other. And, uh, the show gives us like the fireworks and everything when they connect. What'd you think about rodeo? Well, when I first saw her posing and he was like, Ooh, like be sexy on this stuff. Like, I, like, I just don't find that much muscular strength on women. And for me, it's not sexy, but I did find that they seem to have like a real conversation, a real connection, which is what I'm usually looking at when I'm looking at love shows,

[00:50:16] not just for the spectacle of it all, but like when I'm looking for people to really connect, it's when they're having real conversations, not just being like, I find you really hot. Oh, I think you're really attractive. I think we get along really well. Like that's not really a conversation to me. So I felt that they had a real conversation, which means they actually were getting to know each other. So I do, I do like her for him at this point because they seem to actually be connecting. Magdalena hates rodeo.

[00:50:44] It's nothing but bad things about rodeo throughout. She has an accent. I'm not quite sure where Magdalena is from, but she talks about how rodeo is showing off her big manly arms. She's like, yeah, cause obviously Brett wants a masculine man like her. And then when rodeo gets her, gets her backstage pass to continue on in the season, Magdalena's like, damn, you chose rodeo. And then you chose me. You think I look like a man like her?

[00:51:10] I don't know, Chantel, but in my history of watching reality TV, normally when somebody is talking a lot of trash about somebody else, we got beef coming later on. Yeah. Beef's coming, especially since spoiler alert, they both stay. And so I do think that this is teeing up another, another matchup maybe later on. But I feel like rodeo is not involved in this, like, you know, like she's just like doing her own thing.

[00:51:37] She seems even surprised that she's connecting with, with, with Brett as, as well as they are. Like, she's kind of a little bit wide eyed, but like, oh my God, like we're actually like getting along. Like she seems a little bit surprised by it and it doesn't seem like she has any idea about all the drama that's going on around her. If I had to guess, rodeo is the oldest woman in the house. I will agree. She's probably in her forties, at least late thirties, mid thirties.

[00:52:07] At least. Can we find age here? No. It's a hard, it's hard to do, but I'm a look by the next episode. I will have the, uh, try to have some ages. I will try. I will try. If you can get signs too, that'd be great. Thank you. I'll do my, I'll do my due diligence. We know Heather's May 5th. So she's a tourist. We do. Heather's May, May 5th. She interrupts an entire conversation to point that out, um, that her and Brett, uh, Brett's daughter have the same, um, you know, a birthday.

[00:52:36] And we know that, uh, Brandy M is a Scorpio because she lets her genitals lead her, um, in life. And so, yeah, we got a few more to fit, but I bring her rodeo's age to say that I think the way she looks at Brett is a little bit more practical. I think another, a lot of these other women kind of like idolize him and like the abstract where she kind of, it feels like she kind of grew up where, you know, in, in her, in her fantasy, there could have been a world where the two of them had actually come across, right?

[00:53:02] Like if she went to the right concert, there might've been a time where, you know, him and his later, you know, rock days looks at this 21 year old girl and like brings her up on stage. Like I feel like for rodeo, it hit different. It don't feel like the same as some of these others. Just like, she's probably just at the age that she was when he was probably super successful. It was probably a little bit more of a contemporary as opposed to somewhere that you'd looked up to and like idolize. Exactly.

[00:53:27] Did you have any, you know, like older women that I was looking at when I was a kid? Like musicians? But they were like older, older, like, like Janet Jackson. But like when I was younger, Janet Jackson wasn't old, you know, like, so it's like, it's like now if I was like in love with Janet Jackson, which make no mistake, she's down, I'm down. Um, but you know, like I think at that point you would see like the starstruck kind of, you

[00:53:53] know, like, uh, okay, this person is a celebrity, but also take me. Like, um, so maybe that, I don't know. Uh, like I said, I was, I probably was like looking more toward people, my old, my same age range, you know, maybe a little bit more. Um, what about you? Was there any like older gentlemen that you were looking toward? Like Lenny Kravitz or something like that? Were you like, Ooh, Lenny. Lenny Kravitz. Are you kidding?

[00:54:22] Rock of love with Lenny Kravitz. Number one. I would be on it. Like, it's like anybody that can bag Lisa Bonet, like, and just be like so epic. Like that's why him and, um, Jason Momoa, I'm like, you guys got some sauce. It's too much sexy in that house. It's too much sexy in that whole little family. Then you have like Harry Styles coming in for the dollar. It's too much. Yeah.

[00:54:47] So I, if Lenny Kravitz looked my direction, I would be all about it for sure. I loved him. I had all of his tapes. Oh my God. Like I loved him. Yeah. He's definitely, that was a good call. I don't know if I would have pulled that one in right now, but I know what, I know what the rock, I know what the rock girl is like, you know, G in the chat said, sign me the fuck up. And Mr.

[00:55:16] Robot said Beyonce, even though she's only like 10 years older. Yeah. I think that was the thing. Like the women that, the women that I would look like when I was a kid, they weren't that much older than me. Like the pop stars, they, you know, like they, they were, they were children, you know, like that's the child was popping out when I was 17 years old, you know? So it wasn't that much of a stretch. Whereas like, I think that, and that's probably the vibe maybe rodeo and Brett have where it's like, it's close enough to where, okay, it makes sense.

[00:55:42] Um, where some of these people, they probably never seen him like actively, like been around for like a, an album release or like the heyday, but they know of the legend of him. Right. Um, so there's, there's probably something there. Uh, Lacey was another standout in this episode. She's the redhead who decided to hop on the drums. Um, it was just so like, I can play the drums. Like I can, let's go.

[00:56:13] It's just embarrassing. I get it. It's, it's awesome that you're able to relate to him in this way, but I just thought it was, it was a little bit me in the, in the sense it's like, she's like, she, she's the one that said that she, well, you know, she understands the lifestyle, you know what I mean? So like him going out and being out late and girls like all over him. Like she's cool with that. Like she gets less. She's a down chick. Yeah. Yeah. Cool chick. Yeah. Like I get it. I get it. Yeah. You don't get it. Yeah.

[00:56:43] So what if a girl wants to kiss all over you and sit in your lap and flirt with you? Like I get it. It's part of, you know, it's how we rock. So yes, Lacey. Get picked. But yeah, exactly. But she, I bet you any money, like if she gets closer to the end, she is not going to be as easygoing as she's claiming to be this first episode. Oh, you think like by the, like if it's, if Brett's like, okay, Lacey, I can pick you, but yeah. Right.

[00:57:10] Like I could pick you, but also I might pick Brandy C too. You okay with that? I don't think she's going to be okay with that. No. Not at all. No, not at all. So she just saying what she needs to say right now to maybe stay in the game. But like. She gets it. She's a cool chick. That's what Brett is looking for. He's looking for a cool chick who understands that sometime as a rocker, you have a lot of women on you. You have to entertain people.

[00:57:37] You know, Flav kind of leaned into that a little bit where he would say like, you know, in my line of work, I, you know, I come across different women. You can't be super jealous. You know, him telling New York that and New York being like, whatever, you're going to listen to me. You're not listening to her. Like whatever you think is going to happen is not going to happen. But yeah, I think this is the same vibe these women are trying to give off to Brett. Is that like at the end of the day, like you're going to be down for him to maintain the same lifestyle he has.

[00:58:06] None of them are talking about what does it look like if we get together? How do we settle down? How do we combine our households? How do we, where do we live? You know, they're like, no, if you want to be on the road partying and, and, and, you know, with these girls and stuff like that, I'm going to be on the road to watching you and like making sure that you're having a good time. They're, they're always like that until they get the guy. Like I'm just going to bring it to summer house. That's going on right now. So Amanda used to be a, well, she still is a pick me, but she's a pick me.

[00:58:34] She was all over Kyle before they were dating. She would let him basically like cheat on her, whatever, take them back. And she's always around. And then finally, and she knows he's a partier. He knows she goes out. He knows he likes having a good time, getting drunk all the time, flirting with girls. Like that's who he was. She gets him. And now she's like, well, you shouldn't be doing this. You cheated on me. And like, and now coming back at him for everybody who he always was.

[00:59:01] And so I just think that the similar things could be happening here where it's like, oh yeah, you can do whatever. And then once you're like, you get them in the relationship, you'll be like, well, like you can't do that. Like you're with me. So. That's what New York would have pulled on Flav. You know, she would have definitely done that. Like had she been somehow crazy enough to convince Flav otherwise, she definitely would have pulled the rug out from under him. The moment he even looked at somebody else.

[00:59:29] I mean, you see how she acted toward, you know, Tango and his mom, you know, like, why are you so into, why are you so like, why do you like your mom so much? Get away from her. You know? So yeah, they switch up, you know, once they win. So I will, I do have to highlight one of my favorite moves from Brandy C in this episode. She could not get any attention on herself. So she went and got inside of Christia's bikini that was already way too small for her.

[00:59:58] And somehow this works. All the rest of the women leave her to her devices. And Brett's like, it's time. Now you have my attention. I think Lacey still sticks around because Lacey has no scruples. And she says that Brandy is a slut. And if she had a brain cell, it would be lonely. And so this interaction with Brandy C and Brett Michaels, it did get his attention. The bikini worked. But that's when I saw the stomach tramp. That's when you saw the stamp. Yeah. That's when you saw the...

[01:00:28] Stamamp. I don't know. The stamp. The stamp. Yeah. But this moment did annoy Brett as well. He's like, look, I'm happy to see her. I'm glad that she likes the interaction, but she's annoying as shit. So when it's... Okay, so what's interesting, though, is I don't find her that annoying. And if I'm not mistaken, when, like, at the backstage pass ceremony, he basically says, like, oh, she's really annoying.

[01:00:57] I can't stand her, but, like, I'm going to keep her around. I think there are other people that were more annoying than she was this episode. Right? And they... I mean, I think all the annoying ones got... Well, except Tiffany got eliminated. I think Tiffany... Well, you know what? Honestly, I think he eliminated a lot of people who gave nothing. I think for him... Gave nothing, for sure. That girl in the photo shoot that just said, like, give me sexy. She's like... Yeah, there was nothing there. Like, she's like... Like, he said sexy, and she's like, Mona Lisa.

[01:01:26] And she's like, no, sexy. And she's like, stoic. Like, no. I think she was trying to smize. I don't know what was happening there. Just like... Matt Scott in the chat, as he should be, joining us for these conversations. So, we get to the ceremony, and, you know, we have to start giving out these passes. Because these are backstage passes.

[01:01:51] It would have been so easy for him to give out a rose, but I'm pretty sure the bachelor kind of took that already. Because every rose has its thorn. Yeah. Like, every rose has its thorn was right there. The backstage pass is pretty good, to be honest. It is. It is. Because, again, it's re-hashing this rocker aesthetic that we're trying to get by. So, Rodeo gets the first pass. Would you rock my world? What do you think about that as a catchphrase? It's fine.

[01:02:20] It's kind of loser-y. But, like, it's fine. I like it better than, do you have love for New York? Yeah. Do you have love for New York? Yeah. No. That wasn't great. That could have been workshopped a little bit better. What could have been a better one? I don't know. Are you in the motherfucking house? Like, I don't know. I don't know. But I think Flav had it right, right? Your time is up. Or, you know, that kind of thing. I think that is the one.

[01:02:49] And I think this is probably second best. What is it? Would you rock my world? Would you rock my world? Yeah. It's a little bit loser-y. But I feel like we get more of these. I feel like more of these happen. Like, I don't know. Like, my brain's, like, remembering more of these. And I'm like, where are they from? What's happening? Yeah. So, I think this could be workshopped. Maybe season two has a different one or something. Maybe. Heather gets, she gets called up next. She has lovely hot breasts. Brett says.

[01:03:16] Again, Brett's not pretending that this is about personality in a lot of ways. Like, yeah. And I love that about your spirit. You have lovely breasts. And so, Heather was pumped to get the number two. One thing we didn't talk about, though, is in that photo shoot, all the people just kissing him. And, like, full-on, like, tugging him down. And, like, him, like, adjusting or saying that he can't, like, stand in a certain way because you might see that he's aroused. Like, were you just going to glaze over that, Chappelle?

[01:03:47] Yeah. Yeah. He spent, like, 60% of the episode erect. And, you know, and he never stopped telling us. That's what I'm saying. Like, I think Flav kind of gave almost, like, this child-likeness. Like, wow. Oh, my God. Like, I can't. Like, oh, you're making me feel something. I'm feeling a lot for you, Buck Wilder. But, like, this. Like, Brett is, like, looks at the camera. Yeah. Brett looks at the camera and says, oh, no. I went to have sex. Like, you know. He talks about Brandy M. Like, I just picture myself having rock and roll sex with her.

[01:04:16] That is all. Like, there's no illusion. Yeah. You know the answer probably. But, like, just pretend like you don't know. Do you think that he will be having lots of sex with all these women? I mean. And is he living in the same mansion as them? Oh, wait. Because he's going to be. Rule number one. Yeah. Don't bust into his room. Look. I think that going into his room unannounced, that rule being there is specific.

[01:04:44] Because I think Brett may or may not have some women in. And so he doesn't want anybody coming in and interrupting. Or he doesn't want any catfights to break out. I'm sure he doesn't mind a catfight in front of him. As in his words, not mine. But at the same time, I don't, you know, I don't think he wants anybody walking in on him if he's getting to the class. Because, you know, Flav lived in that same house. New York lived in the house with those men. Or at least it seemed. So, yeah, I guess this is still the thing to do.

[01:05:12] But they were never going to get the, oh, like, I just need to talk to you one last time. And, like, see him go crawl into his bed. Rules are meant to be broken, Chantel. Oh, right. That's why they put them in there. So people would break the rules in there. So as soon as you tell someone not to do something, that's exactly what they're going to do. Okay. Who do you think is going to break the rule first of, like, sneaking into his room? I think. Who's the first one to go into the room? Just me or Randy. I think maybe Heather. She was a little audacious.

[01:05:42] I think some of the other girls, Samantha, was very intimidated by her. She was like, Samantha's the one who had a lot of tattoos. Brett and her really bonded over the hair. Yeah. Yeah. No, that was Jess. Samantha is the one. She had black hair. She had the tattoos all over. And she was talking about how her and Brett like the same music and they like the same movies. But she's not a party girl. She's like, I don't think he's going to pick me because I don't really fit in that lifestyle.

[01:06:08] She does end up getting her backstage pass as well. Brandi M gets one, the life of the party. Magdalena gets one, but she says, I know this ain't shit because it's just the first elimination. And then I think Christia gets one. She thanks her for breaking up the fights. Basically, it comes down to Brandi C and the women that will be eliminated. Bonnie, he thought she was very hot, but she's gone.

[01:06:36] And he thought she had almost no content. I think the best way to describe her is she kind of looks like Peggy Bundy. That's the best I could do. She looks like the woman from Sons of Anarchy. So there's Katie Segal. Katie Segal. I love Peggy Bundy and I love the mom on Sons of Anarchy. Yeah. So I think she kind of looks like her to me.

[01:07:05] I love Carly Hoonan. Oh, okay. Yeah. I didn't even finish Sons of Anarchy. I got to finish that. I don't think I watched the last season. I think I watched. I didn't watch the last season. I don't think either. What happened? There's something happened. But anyways, I enjoyed it up until I saw. Yeah. He gives Brandy C the last pass and says, would you let me date three or four other girls like you said you would? And of course, she's like, yes. She will say yes now. I do not believe that girl will not get jealous. I do not believe.

[01:07:36] Another thing we glazed over was the fact that Tiffany decided to straddle Brett from, well, like, I guess over top of him in front of him. And started maybe riding him a little bit, a little bit too harshly, saying that he bruised his dick or hurt his dick. He says Tiffany comes around and she ends up beating his penis to a pulp.

[01:08:02] He was trying to have a conversation with Brandy C and Krista, and they finally got their time. But here comes Tiffany. She gives him a dry beating, he says. Ooh. Now, do you think that they will have sass? He'll give it a try, right? I don't know. I think he insinuated that she might be on some type of chemical, you know? And so. What do we think she's on? A lot. I think she's kind of loopy.

[01:08:31] He said it when they were doing a photo shoot. He was like, yeah, it's sexy. But then there's a part of me that is like, what is she on? But all that to say, he's still turned on by it. Brent Michaels was turned on by every single thing these women did. He talks about how, he's like, yeah, I was really enjoying my time with, I think it was Sam. He's like, I was giving, I was ruining my time with her. But she has like this wall up, right? Where there's this distance between us. And I think that distance is sexy. I said, all right.

[01:09:01] Please. He just wants to fuck, I think is what it is. And some of these women just want to do the same. Brandi M said, I came here to hear Rocker asked. That's what he's saying. It's like, do you want to fuck? Do you want to fuck? Yeah. And it's like, can you see yourself? Their backstage is like, do you want to fuck? You still want to fuck? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it'd be catchy. Now, of course, the big drama here is that we made these eliminations, but we're going

[01:09:28] to offer one last spot to our racist, you know, Tiffany. She somehow survives this episode. Dallas says she must have just sucked Big John's dick to get back in the house. They love slut shaming on this show. And so we're going to see a lot more of that. But he says people get wasted and they make mistakes. But also Tiffany was very entertaining. So he's going to keep her around. Fine.

[01:09:58] Like, he didn't maybe see like the racist stuff. And so, and obviously at that time, people were allowed to do a lot more things than they would be able to get away with nowadays. But I think I was, I wasn't surprised that they brought her back because like, it seems as though they want her on the show for as long as she can be there. So the producers were probably like, just one more episode at least, just one more. You know, like, don't give her a bet. Let's see what she does.

[01:10:28] Right. Maybe she'll break a rule. You know, like, I think that they want her there. So, yeah, I wasn't surprised that they opened it again for her, like to stay in the game. How many episodes do you think Tiffany will last? Way more than anybody in the house thinks.

[01:10:54] So I do think she'll make it to at least episode three. I think she's got two more episodes in her for sure. Okay. Well, we will find out in just a moment. What was the other black girl's name? It was Dallas and Raven. Raven gets eliminated because she talks a lot about how intelligent she is. But she cannot read the room. Yeah, she's not happy about this at all. She didn't want to hug him. No, she's like, yeah, okay. I was like, oh my God.

[01:11:23] Like, you just didn't bro down with him because he didn't want to pick you? Yeah, I thought it was like interesting. What did you think about Tiffany's catchphrase here? Don't thread me with a good time. It seems like no matter what you say to her, that's going to be her response when she's drunk. People do use that now. Well, they say don't tempt me with a good time nowadays. Um, it's spitting for her. Because it's like anything you can punch in the face. Don't threaten me with a good time.

[01:11:52] Like, you know, push her off a belly. Don't threaten me with a good time. Everything. Yeah. It was her last words in this episode. I think, uh, you know, um, she gets, she gets her pass and she's like, don't threaten me with a good time. All right. All right. Don't threaten me with a good time. Don't threaten me with a good time. She's so drunk. She's so drunk in this episode. Like, it's crazy that this woman got this drunk on TV and lasted so long. You would think she, by now she would have passed out. Yeah. I had a little nappies. Cause like usually those ceremonies are like nine hours long.

[01:12:21] I mean, the bachelor world there, they're long, long, long, long. Oh, hi Diva. So that brings us to the end of the episode. Uh, we got our first elimination. We ended up losing five, seven women in this episode. Let's see. We lost Pam, Kelly, Kimberly, Meredith. That's four. Then we lose Raven, Krista, Jessica and Lauren and Bonnie. So yeah, we took out a big old chunk of all these women.

[01:12:49] We're back because like the first four women that were eliminated, like they didn't really get a chance to do anything. It was just by like pure shock value, like in aesthetics. Like there's no rhyme or real rhyme or reason why they're eliminated. So I wonder if they do get another opportunity for something else. You know what I mean? Cause like to go through all of those interviews and stuff like that, I would be pissed that they wasted my time like that, you know? Yeah, that's true.

[01:13:17] Um, and they seem pretty annoyed, but none of them had the gumption to go knock on the door like Tiffany did. And so she would survive. You would have, right? Uh, no, I wouldn't be caught dead on this show. Stop it. Or any show like this. There's nothing. Janet Jackson finds love. Like Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation. That ain't worth my pride. It's okay. Cause then, cause you do that only to get eliminated the same episode. Everybody call you crazy.

[01:13:43] Like, unless I came, if I came here to be on TV, then yeah, a hundred percent. But like, other than that, I think we're good. But Rhythm Nation of Love is actually crazy. That was a crazy thing you tried to pull out. It'll be called like Janet Jackson's Velvet Rope. And now sign me up. Sign me up. I've actually seen that concert twice. Once in Vegas and once in, was it Toronto? Definitely once in Vegas. I saw the Velvet Rope tour. I've seen it, uh, on recording.

[01:14:11] I've never been present for it, but I did see Janet a couple years ago because that's my girl. I had to go check on Penny, see if she was doing all right. Uh, but, um, Chateau, that said, we will be back, uh, to talk about more Rock of Love in a while. But question mark, uh, I am traveling next week around this time. And so, uh, I don't know. Do we? School is out of session. We're going to have to find time to record. Maybe we take a week off. Maybe Brandon of Love is actually crazy, Gina.

[01:14:39] Uh, but, um, um, yeah, I don't know. What's your middle name? I don't have one. Okay. Yeah. Are you like, no one of those I don't have one because you don't like it? No, I just don't. I just don't. It doesn't have one. Um, uh, Chateau, what are we going to do? Uh, we're going to, you want to like, maybe we schedule a week. Do you want to take a week off? Uh, okay. So what I, no, I do think just for your algorithm specifically, like,

[01:15:06] like keeping the momentum going is, is good. So what we could do. Wait, where can you say where you're going or no? Yeah, I'm going to, I'm being dream con. I'm being. Oh, right, right, right. So what if we recorded it early, but released it at around our regular time as a premiere. And then we can both be intermittently in the chat for when we premiere.

[01:15:33] Um, so that's an idea to keep kind of like the regular time spot to be active. Okay. And then I would have a lot more time to, I could film that tomorrow even, you know what I mean? And then we can release it on Sunday. What do you think about that? Okay. Tomorrow doesn't work, but we will touch, we will touch base. Yeah. And then let's see if we can get it prerecorded. So yeah, for all the people who are listening to this, you know, the next episode might not be live, live, but you know what I'm saying? I'll be in the chat at least.

[01:16:00] I don't know if Chappelle will be able to, but like when we premiere it live, um, we will, I'll watch it along with you guys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll have some things to say. Okay, cool. Sounds good. We'll try to bring you that episode. Right. It's a good idea. It's such a good idea. Thank you. You're so smart. Uh, Chantel. Um, okay. First of all, any predictions? Who did you think? Who did anybody stand out as like a winner? Well, I think the girl that he thinks the prince, even though she didn't seem to know

[01:16:27] what to say, um, like she, she was a little bit tongue tied when they chatted. I think she's going to go far. And I wonder if she, when she starts to get to know him a little bit better, if she, her person will come out and she might, she might get to the end. Um, I also think that she's really pretty. And I feel like, like I said, I feel like I've seen her do something else. So I'm wondering if like, it's because she wins or like, if she, a personality kind of emerges.

[01:16:58] Um, so I think that she will go far. I think that, I think that rodeo is going to go far firstly, because they did have a connection. And then also because of this, um, impeding beef that might be happening. Um, and then, yes. Uh, general general leader, uh, Brandy.

[01:17:22] I think she, I think she will make it at least until they bang. Okay. All right. Good predictions. We will track those throughout. Hopefully we come back, uh, next time we'll have my tier list. Then we'll have some cast photos for you and some agents. Cause that'll be fun to talk about as well. But until then, Chantel tell everybody where they can find you and what you're working on. What I'm working on is catching up with love Island UK because I've been out of town. And so I'm behind a week.

[01:17:49] So I'm going to probably go and just blow through a week tomorrow and get caught up. Um, so yeah, that's all my reality realness with 3S's YouTube channel where I'm doing that. Or you can find me on Instagram, same name or at Chan Fran Fran. But oh my God, big brother starting this week. Holy. So I don't know when I'll be starting to talk about that, but I will be over on RGP at some point discussing this new season.

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