Shirley Movie Review

[00:00:00] What's up fam, it's Chappelle and we are back again with another episode of Recap Kickback.

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[00:00:31] And again, that's what we're about to do. So it's the end of women's history month.

[00:00:35] We're kissing March goodbye as we usher in April. It's hot on to airy season.

[00:00:41] So I'm in a good mood and I'm even in a better mood because today we are going to bring you a women's history month special here.

[00:00:50] So I'm here with Netflix's own Shirley and with me to discuss Shirley, my very own Black Panther, Mari.

[00:00:58] Mari, what's up?

[00:01:01] What is up. Yeah, I'm glad you say you get to talk about anything. Yes, you get to decide what we talk about.

[00:01:08] So everybody gets to toss in they, the ideas and they thoughts and they discussions no matter how crazy they sound.

[00:01:16] So I'm excited to be here to talk about Shirley on Netflix starring Regina King.

[00:01:23] I, you know, we saw this on the we saw this on the docket like months ago, we were like, you know, let's watch it and see what happens so I'm glad that I'm glad we did and I'm glad we're going to have a great discussion about it.

[00:01:36] Yeah, I can feel it. See, we are watching this today we got to like we're buttoning up.

[00:01:41] We're gonna keep we're gonna keep you cute this time.

[00:01:44] It really did last few episodes of then they got a I don't know maybe maybe we need to get it out about the pain.

[00:01:53] Yeah, we shall see but Mars right you know like I said I come up with ideas and then Mari let me know if they're getting enough for us to talk about it so this one definitely this one definitely caught our eye and I'm very excited to talk about it.

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[00:04:08] First of all, one of our favorite people Regina King and talking about this amazing person Shirley Chilzum in the Netflix original movie surely now yeah Mars right we saw it coming a mile away we're like we got to talk about it.

[00:04:23] And I think we did our biopic smart and I did in January, well February so for black history month really got on top of that yeah out the gate with biopics and so it just made sense to do another one.

[00:04:34] And I guess we can talk about where this kind of ranks amongst those as we get into it, but I do want to thank everybody for listening for chiming in on our on our Hulu. What was it?

[00:04:46] Freak Nick Wildest Party never told. Yeah, thank you for the feedback. Thank you for the reviews all that we love it keep it coming so we have more to talk about because today we're talking about Shirley.

[00:04:58] She really did. She really did. Remember I believe of Delta Sigma theta who might have come up in the freak the documentary might have seen him in the background.

[00:05:14] Not the Delta that surely live for but the Delta that we got anyway. But listen, Mari tell us right now what did you think overall we're just giving broad strokes here.

[00:05:27] What did you think about surely. I really liked it mostly because my knowledge of surely Chisholm is very bare minimum it's like the it's like Marlith King, I have a dream speech to white people it's like, I was like surely Chisholm first black woman and run for president that's her campaign was for the people I remember all that.

[00:05:54] I, it was so funny watching this because I was like, Oh, surely Chisholm and California to me always went hand in hand.

[00:06:03] And I didn't realize like I didn't even realize you from Brooklyn. I didn't realize that like a lot of stuff revealed in this in this biopic so I feel like I learned a lot.

[00:06:14] I feel like I learned a lot about her I feel like I learned a lot about American politics.

[00:06:20] I want to say back then but today, like I'm not even sure to be quite honest, but I learned a lot. And I thought it was I just thought it was well acted. I mean all the actors.

[00:06:31] I feel great. At first, you know, with most biotics, especially ones that are like political leaning not really like entertainment leaning at first I was like okay. All right, can I get into there's something I can get into this, but like, maybe like 1020 minutes and I was like okay I'm here I'm in it

[00:06:49] I'm in it to win it you know what I'm saying like they the acting itself kind of pulls you pulls you in so I enjoyed it I'm really glad we got to watch it.

[00:07:00] I think the last biopic you and I talked about Mari was a rested, and it was also political right so how do what do you think about surely and I guess what do you think about surely in comparison to the last body we watched.

[00:07:13] I think that they would make a great double feature.

[00:07:18] I really am. I'm a little surprised, I think by the release date of this movie. It's a little bit baffling to not release it during kind of the like Oscar season push and to wait until March to release it is odd because they also could have been released in

[00:07:39] February, if you're not going to release it during Oscar season. So that part, I'm sure is a lot of Hollywood, like mumbo jumbo that we don't know.

[00:07:51] Release dates are something that like producers and Regina King is a producer executive producer on this have to like haggle with people over. So there had to be something that went into this release date I just wish that it had been released earlier because it would have been seen by a bigger audience like

[00:08:09] Rustin.

[00:08:10] I'm not hearing as much talk about this movie is I would like to and I know it kind of dropped in the middle of the week.

[00:08:17] That might have something to do with it. But you know I feel like Rustin got that push behind it that this movie does not have and so that's kind of sad.

[00:08:28] I think that's a really good point. I haven't seen a lot of talk about this one and you know, Regina King is a massive name. This, this cast is massive as well. So like as far as like star power goes.

[00:08:41] I think that's reddit the late Lance reddit is in this film Terrence Howard who I was actually surprised to see here because I just wasn't expecting it. I'm one of those people whenever I see Terrence Howard I kind of flinched just a little bit and so I was like oh, doing this.

[00:08:54] I'm here a van Brian Stokes Mitchell Andre Holland. I mean so we have some really big names and so you would think that these would be like at the top of a lot of conversations but I've seen very little and I think you're right Latanya.

[00:09:08] I think Oscar season kind of really was like American fiction and Rustin were really just at the front of these conversations and then it's like, um, dang I want to be messy y'all but you know, you know when black history month in and then everybody just changed their avatars back to the white stuff that they already

[00:09:27] had off the Instagram page and all that kind of stuff. It felt like after black history when we're like, all right, we're done with that.

[00:09:36] All right back to you back to your normally white scheduled programming.

[00:09:42] Maybe that's why Latanya because I've been had if you not mentioned it I really wouldn't have thought about the lack of discourse I really see about this movie.

[00:09:51] Yeah, I mean it's kind of a big, but a larger discussion about how our movies get promote how they get made. First of all, how they get promoted the names behind them and what those names mean in terms of Hollywood success.

[00:10:06] I know that you know Rustin for example had the Obama's production company behind it, and they have become like huge figures in Hollywood at this point so they had people rallying behind it but like, you know Regina King is not a name to like sneeze at or anything

[00:10:25] right. He is a multiple Emmy Award winner she is an Oscar winner.

[00:10:30] She directed a little bit. She directed episodes of television shows but also one night. What was the name of one night in Miami one night in Miami was her directorial debut for a feature she's done like episodes of shameless.

[00:10:47] She's directed all over the, yeah, all over the place. So it's, it just makes me question just like how our stuff gets talked about and by which outlets and what gets prioritized and what doesn't get prioritized and it's really ironic that with a movie that's all about how black women specifically are looked down upon and told they can't in society that that's what they're doing to this movie as well.

[00:11:16] Yeah, especially being released after like after like you said after the Oscar at not even just after Oscar season like Oscar eligibility but like you said, after the Oscars themselves like once the Oscars to go to global all that stuff is done.

[00:11:32] You know, nobody's really caring about movies that are Oscar bait innocent so it's like this is weird timing I didn't even think about that.

[00:11:42] Yeah, it's very interesting. Also, I mean, I'm somewhat of a Netflix expert. I do have another podcast called nothing but Netflix and I see what's hot on Netflix every week it is part of my job I go and I check the top 10 all the time, and Netflix will force something into the number one spot.

[00:11:59] Like it's no one's business I mean if a J Lo project drops Kevin James up if any of these big project Adam Sandler their projects are always going to be number one for at least a week and I know I know people don't be talking about it or watching that like that exactly for it to be number one.

[00:12:16] And when I checked the Netflix chart this morning, surely was the number four movie in us in the US today behind.

[00:12:23] I think number three was Super Mario Brothers.

[00:12:27] So you know, I'm just saying I'm not look I'm not accusing Netflix of any foul play understand it if there's a push to being pushed. Maybe don't forget to push the black stuff ahead to the front because I just not a fan of, you know surely ending so far behind like on this on this countdown when

[00:12:48] I have movies from 2022 male Gibson movies and Super Mario Brothers all, you know, surely in the rankings and I'm just saying it's women's history.

[00:13:00] Just get a minimum.

[00:13:05] No, Netflix's response to you would be like well we believe in black black history every month which is why right in March.

[00:13:12] Right exactly.

[00:13:13] So women's history no no no no no no no no no.

[00:13:18] These other things why am I being obtuse but but yes, so that's our introduction to surely we kind of glossed over it a little bit but of course the cast is iconic.

[00:13:30] I we said, we can talk forever about Gina King. But I do want to talk about Lance Reddick. Let's talk.

[00:13:38] We lost Lance Reddick last year in March, I believe almost was it a year almost to the day that this surely dropped I believe it was March 17 maybe.

[00:13:48] Wow, pretty. It was pretty close on seeing Lance Reddick here in this field. I think it made me forget that he passed away because I was watching it I was so invested in his in his acting and about halfway

[00:13:59] I said, damn let's read it really gone and then that was it ain't nobody told me you know it really it hit me again because let's read it is so good in this role. Yeah, yeah.

[00:14:09] Yeah, yeah, when he came on screen. I was like oh no, because I immediately remembered that he had passed away, but he's he's really good everybody in this.

[00:14:22] This movie seems to have worked with a dialect coach at one point or another for the movie because he's really good at like changing his voice a little bit. There were times where he got frustrated with people where I personally being the horror fan that I am,

[00:14:37] I wanted to see Papa Legba possess him a little bit. For those of you all who watch American Horror Story, but, but yeah no he was just like a dignified presence in this movie that was 100% by high and surely no matter what she did or how lofty her ambitions were for for

[00:14:57] not even just that time but for this time like we haven't really seen a ton of other black women running for president for a reason.

[00:15:06] Alright, Mario I told you I flinched when I saw Tara Towered but I know it's one of your faves. So, wait, how do you feel yeah yeah you don't have to know you're doing this to Mario.

[00:15:17] You could be yourself here we can't keep that why it's okay.

[00:15:21] But yeah, there's Howard as Arthur Harwood Jr. Did you know Tara Tower was in this movie Mario?

[00:15:27] No I didn't and then like I'm not even gonna lie it took me a minute I was like wait a minute.

[00:15:35] Are we still doing this? Yeah, because I'm again I think that first 10 minutes of the movie he didn't realize he was in the movie and then it and then he kind of turned it up a little bit towards the middle.

[00:15:46] So I he was there he did a pretty good job.

[00:15:51] I was kind of struggling like what is your job in this campaign here sir and we find out up in.

[00:15:59] His job was to foreshadow.

[00:16:03] Exactly.

[00:16:05] Yeah, let's just talk about that for a second because I'm thinking okay this is the Shirley Chisholm biopic they're not going to show Shirley and a negative light but I don't know a lot about Shirley I'm not like I'm like Mario when you say Shirley Chisholm I say

[00:16:19] Ren for President is like that's the that is the line I was taught in elementary school that's how I remember this woman.

[00:16:25] So when I see that she's a married lady, but her and Tara Tower doing a lot of longing handshakes and a lot of staring at each other.

[00:16:34] I started to close my cardigan opposite.

[00:16:37] Surely, but what is Barbara this is surely now what is about to happen you know what are we about to do here.

[00:16:46] Let's add you were you already familiar with the story did you know where this was going or were you like I confused as to why Shirley was making eyes at this light skin gentlemen.

[00:16:56] I was not familiar with this story, I'm probably, I'm probably a little more familiar with Shirley Chisholm just because of how the women's movement did her so dirty.

[00:17:06] I studied that.

[00:17:08] But like,

[00:17:10] with the second that Terrence Howard came on screen. He like reaches out his hand and she goes in for a hug that lasts a little too long and I was like, oh okay.

[00:17:20] Okay I see what's going on here.

[00:17:22] But her husband was right there.

[00:17:25] The whole time.

[00:17:27] Except for when he needed to be in which case he was off playing with this camera or something.

[00:17:32] But like,

[00:17:34] not know that this was going to happen. I did after I saw them exchange that glance and that hug look up whether or not she stayed with her husband and realize that she in fact did not and this was her second husband.

[00:17:48] So, call me Mr. Magoo because I didn't see none of that shit.

[00:17:53] I was gagged and gooped at the title sequence. They showed us the corresponding characters and their real life historical figures told us what they were up to.

[00:18:05] And I was like, oh okay. And then it said Conrad and Shirley divorced in 1977. I was like, oh.

[00:18:12] And it said Shirley married whatever Arthur in 1978. Then they chose her Terrence Howard and her husband and I was like, oh.

[00:18:24] The whole time he was right there.

[00:18:28] Look, I have to be suspicious of Terrence Howard, Marry whenever I see him in these runs.

[00:18:35] That is very smart.

[00:18:37] I'm not familiar with his game.

[00:18:39] I try not to be familiar with this game, but you know, there are too many glances. There are too many long held looks he brought her her food after like the big blow up happened in her campaign headquarters.

[00:18:51] You know, like, it all makes sense now. Yeah.

[00:18:54] Um,

[00:18:57] I'm sorry, I'm just still funny to me.

[00:18:59] Um, Brian Stokes Mitchell is also in this film as Stanley Townsend and I was like, it's good to see black King Brian Stokes Mitchell.

[00:19:09] What does he do? Who's he from? What's he from?

[00:19:12] Brian Stokes Mitchell is one of those people who've been in everything. I believe he's a award-winning actor.

[00:19:18] I think several times over at least Tony nominated actor several times on her trying to see what the biggest role he would you would know him from because he's been like, oh yeah obviously.

[00:19:29] From Fresh Prince.

[00:19:30] From Fresh Prince, the one who, you know, Hillary's boyfriend. You know, the one who, he was also a Mr. Robot. I don't know if anybody watched that.

[00:19:42] I only got past, I didn't get past like the first season.

[00:19:45] Yeah, he was Rachel Berry's black daddy.

[00:19:49] I'm trying to figure what else, what else he was in. But he's been in everything. I'm always happy to see Brian Stokes Mitchell because it's just something about himself familiar to me.

[00:20:00] I like, I've seen him all around. But then I was like, oh yeah, I forgot he was black. No disrespect to the light skin King.

[00:20:05] Because I was, I was looking, you know, okay, what's going on here? Why did they let this white man into the function and why is he so, why is he so malady?

[00:20:16] You know, like, yeah, I was like, this man got a lot to say here about what these black folk got going on.

[00:20:21] I really think we'll drop a word and everybody's gonna get confused. And so I was like, okay, but Brian Stokes Mitchell is here. I was very happy to see him again.

[00:20:29] This for me, this felt kind of new like Rustin where I didn't know the story. So it felt like I was learning all these characters and historical figures a lot at the same time.

[00:20:41] Andrei Hollen playing a Walter Fonteroy who I got a good hate into in this film.

[00:20:47] I knew he, I was like, Andrei, what are you doing here?

[00:20:53] I was right.

[00:20:54] I was like, I did not trust the moment he wrote on that napkin. I was like, I don't trust him.

[00:20:59] I don't trust him. You know, right, my word on a napkin and I'm supposed to just follow it. Are you kidding?

[00:21:05] I don't trust anything you say. You know, cocktail with a fork.

[00:21:08] Yeah.

[00:21:12] Get him out of here. Look, he might have been a villain, but we have not talked about the real villain here.

[00:21:20] Ron Dellums, how dare you? Where the hell do you get off Mr. Dellums?

[00:21:26] I was, my mouth was wide open. Dorya Missick playing Ron Dellums. It was such a good role for him because the whole time I was like that Ron Dellums, he's something.

[00:21:35] That's a good guy. You know, she can really at least Charlie got Ron Dellums in her corner.

[00:21:40] This man betrayed the movie, betrayed Shirley and I waited, Mari. I went into the into the end of the movie.

[00:21:48] Show me that he died unhappy surrounded by misery and then the movement like they and they and Charlie laughed at this man as she went on to prominence it became a.

[00:21:58] Nope. He lived an old age died surrounded by loved ones included Shirley. They best friends.

[00:22:03] He was like mayor. I think he's a mayor at one point for a bunch of years for a long time. Yeah, first black mayor and all kinds of what?

[00:22:11] Yeah, let's all you can't get away with this. Apparently he can. No, and he did.

[00:22:17] I won't stand for it. History tells us a different story. Unfortunately, there is a long history of people screwing over black women and then thriving.

[00:22:30] Look no further than Ron here. I'm telling you, I was looking for the revenge plot at the end. I said, I was like, oh, we're doing the like where they now type situation bet I'm seated.

[00:22:42] Tell me about Ron. I was waiting and they're like, not a cool. He was surely was cool. That was that was cool.

[00:22:47] I mean the moment she wants it happened and she's like come on home.

[00:22:53] We always forgiven people who have squashed us. You know, I don't know.

[00:23:00] She's a Christian.

[00:23:02] See you know that that the Christianity but like what are thoughts on Shirley's movements when it comes to who she decided to give her time to versus who she did.

[00:23:16] Huh. Yeah.

[00:23:18] This is a good question so we see that up. Yeah.

[00:23:21] Yeah. I was like, well we see throughout the film that Shirley is drawn in different directions. You know her family saying, Hey, could you cut this out? You're doing making a spectacle. You're not going to win president.

[00:23:30] You're embarrassing us. And then you got, you know, the larger political movement people saying step down get out of the way.

[00:23:37] You know, support our black asses because we have a better chance to do and then we see even bigger adversaries in the white community coming up in the form of George Wallace.

[00:23:47] And he does suffer a ridiculous accident that leaves him potentially paralyzed because he's he's almost assassinated I guess you I guess it's an assassination if it's a political figure I guess it is.

[00:24:01] So he's there's assassination attempt on her competitor George Wallace is like if he shot several times. Five I believe like this man is like the 50 cent of the movement or the anti movement because he just keeps bouncing back.

[00:24:13] He thinks it's going to be paralyzed and surely decides to use this moment to go and extend a Christian hand to him and go sit by hospital side and pray for him.

[00:24:23] And this is controversial because people like girl that man hates us. He is racist. He doesn't like us and you spending your time over there with him. So what's up.

[00:24:31] I'm surely says she's a Christian. She's rooting for everybody to be the best versions of themselves and as a Christian that's her job to make sure that she can do whatever she can to do that.

[00:24:40] But Mari, it sounds like you were not impressed by Shirley's movement here.

[00:24:45] No, it was just very interesting to me. So like between them asking her to go to the Gary Indiana.

[00:24:55] What was it like a black the black caucus.

[00:24:58] It was something like that. Yeah.

[00:25:00] Yeah.

[00:25:02] I guess just going to tenants versus going to a talk to a country.

[00:25:08] All male.

[00:25:09] All male country club in Florida and she picks to go there. And like her some of her staffers are begging her to go to yeah to the black caucus and Barbara Lee here who I thought was a pretty good character.

[00:25:24] I was wondering how truthful this character was, you know, you know how there's like some characters where you're like, is this did this actually happen or are they the one character that they drop in a historical movie to like for the clock.

[00:25:36] Like she's real because yeah.

[00:25:43] But Barbara is like Shirley like, you know, she's trying to get her hooked up with Black Panther Party. She trying to like she's like why aren't you going to these black places we're trying to get you to go to these black places and you're not going.

[00:25:56] And Shirley is basically like they're not they're not asking women to speak there they want me to show up but they're not asking me to speak.

[00:26:04] You know, she named jobs Betty Shabazz. Like nobody is they're not letting women speak she's and so she goes on and say like, you know black men just want to run. They don't want to listen to us.

[00:26:18] And it's very interesting. I just I thought it was very, very interesting.

[00:26:25] And I liked it because it's like, it's not just the picture perfect ideal of what you think because her the backbone of her campaign and you can still see it is she wants to talk for the people speak up for the people we see her talking with

[00:26:41] We see her talking with a domestic workers and stuff like that. And she's trying to be of the people she wants she doesn't want to do politics as usual, but it does feel weird that it's like but you're skewing all the black politics, you know, you know,

[00:27:00] But I thought it I thought it added a lot of good nuance and so then when she does end up partnering with the Black Panther Party. I was like, wait, that that was like a task like, you know but you got to remember like back then the black

[00:27:15] Panthers are like good. I mean, I mean, they're not saying they're not good but I'm just saying like, let me shut up. They used to be worth it. You know, what they used to be.

[00:27:26] I agree with you.

[00:27:27] Wait, I think he was fun. That's he was fun.

[00:27:31] Yeah, yeah, they weren't demonized like they like are today like so it was it was very very interesting and I and I wish they focused more on California because I feel like, like a lot of what I know about her is from California but it felt like it wasn't like as highlighted here, other than the talk with

[00:27:53] the Black Panther movement. But yeah, I just I just found that very interesting that she chose her engagements specifically and half to half of the time it was against the will of her care camp.

[00:28:06] Yeah, yeah, literally everybody was begging kicking and screaming to get her to just do the logical thing but she was going where she felt like she was drawn to that she can make the best impact. And there was moments throughout this where I was like, okay but

[00:28:19] like if she keep moving like this there's no way like I know the black she doesn't want to win. But at the same time, I was like, you're not going to get close you keep acting like this you know these people are at least trying to make you see reason.

[00:28:31] Lettonia do you think a part of the reason why we don't see a lot of California is because Shirley was so against even talking about California every time they brought it up she like, No, we ain't gonna get no delegates there so might as well shut it down.

[00:28:42] I guess.

[00:28:44] I, the one thing that I will say about this movie is I thought the structure was a little odd. Like they they skip around in time a lot.

[00:28:53] But like Mari said they're not focusing on what most people know her from, which is California. I mean I can understand from a narrative perspective how they would say, because she was against focusing her energy on in California, then the movie should

[00:29:10] not focus on California either. But like, I feel like that's deleting a big part of the plot that we that we need to go forward because if you look at it and just like, not as like a Regina keen vehicle or like as a vehicle for all of these amazing black talents.

[00:29:29] This is a movie, ostensibly about a person who ran for president and lost horribly.

[00:29:36] Yeah. So you have to like, as like just for the audience, give us highs and in addition to the lows. And I feel like that there would have been more highs in California even if ultimately it didn't go her way.

[00:29:52] Right. I'd agree. I'd say that there were barry tons of moments where you feel like you're watching a story of triumph. And then they say, Okay, that would well let's read the results how what are we looking at in polls.

[00:30:03] It's like, all right, you got less than 1% of the vote this time. That's an improvement. Right. It was very funny. It's like right after the California the Black Panther Party announcement, they're like, Yeah, we got to get behind each other.

[00:30:16] And the next thing you know it's like MacGuffin wins the state.

[00:30:21] I was like, Oh, okay. And they did that several times. It was incredibly hilarious to me like not in an intentional way but it was like they definitely lingered on the good moments and the historical moments in her.

[00:30:38] Like, it's so weird right because there are things that I really wish they elaborated on that they didn't because I guess because it's surely it's called surely so it's about surely so they can't elaborate on some of the things like Latanya said, the women's movement.

[00:30:56] They couldn't talk about how the women's movement really like turn their back on her the most we got is like a line she's like where are the women I showed up for them they didn't show up for me, you know,

[00:31:08] No, that was it. Yeah. Um, if you wanted more like nuanced and like a more nuanced portrayal what happened between surely Chisholm and the women's equal rights movement. You can watch Miss Americana on Hulu is an effect show is really good.

[00:31:25] America I think America the Taylor Swift.

[00:31:28] What's the Taylor Swift document?

[00:31:29] You're right. It is Miss. Miss America. Yes, Mrs. America. You're right. You're right.

[00:31:33] Really good show.

[00:31:35] No, it was really good to they was both good for different reasons.

[00:31:43] Yes.

[00:31:44] Not her stealing another. No, anyway, it was

[00:31:49] Marry, please.

[00:31:52] Marry, please.

[00:31:54] I'm sorry.

[00:31:56] Let's let's not get came on her first and last episode of the kickback the recap kickback.

[00:32:01] Yes, you're right. It was called Mrs. America. And it was very good.

[00:32:08] Yeah.

[00:32:11] And it was extremely good.

[00:32:14] And it was so it was, it was a really good show.

[00:32:16] And it was great.

[00:32:18] And that was a great show.

[00:32:19] It was a great show.

[00:32:25] And it was a great show.

[00:32:26] And the woman who was,

[00:32:27] who's Uzo,

[00:32:28] Dova did a great job as Shirley Chisholm.

[00:32:30] That was an amazing story about the women's equal rights movement even though

[00:32:35] about taking on this lawsuit.

[00:32:36] Let's do this lawsuit.

[00:32:37] We won the lawsuit.

[00:32:38] I was like, what?

[00:32:39] Remember the lawsuit?

[00:32:42] It's a really big deal that Shirley Chisholm

[00:32:44] is responsible for equal time in the FCC regulations

[00:32:48] the way that they still are today.

[00:32:50] And I feel like other than a frightened Lucas Hedges,

[00:32:54] which is like his default stance

[00:32:57] throughout the entirety of this movie,

[00:32:59] just afraid to do stuff that people keep asking him

[00:33:01] to do, then doing it anyway.

[00:33:04] We didn't get anything.

[00:33:05] We got nothing about that.

[00:33:07] And that's a really big deal.

[00:33:09] Like that in California,

[00:33:11] those two things should be focal points in this movie.

[00:33:14] And did we even see the debates?

[00:33:16] No.

[00:33:17] No, we saw her do her like the straight

[00:33:20] 30 minutes of ourself.

[00:33:22] Yeah.

[00:33:24] We heard how good she is at debating.

[00:33:28] We did.

[00:33:29] I would like to see it.

[00:33:30] Yeah.

[00:33:31] Yeah, this feels like a character study of Shirley

[00:33:35] Shirley, the person we know.

[00:33:37] And I think her identity and like her historical

[00:33:41] the historical figure in her identity is tied

[00:33:44] like in one like to us.

[00:33:46] So we're like, that's a part of her.

[00:33:47] Why aren't you talking about those things?

[00:33:49] It's like, it's like if somebody showed you

[00:33:50] a Martin Luther King movie and they were like,

[00:33:51] yeah, he did some speech on, you know,

[00:33:53] there was a march, but it's fine.

[00:33:54] Let's talk about how he was at church.

[00:33:56] And we're like, but really you want to talk

[00:33:58] about how he was at church that you got to see

[00:34:00] and talk about Martin Luther King.

[00:34:00] And that's what you're going to talk about.

[00:34:04] Yeah, I think it's kind of similar to that

[00:34:05] where it was like it was showing us a lot about the person.

[00:34:08] I think we don't get to learn about

[00:34:09] Shirley Chisholm, the person.

[00:34:10] So I appreciate that.

[00:34:11] But I think you're right.

[00:34:13] I think that there's so much more than I now want to know.

[00:34:16] I'm always like, Shirley the sequel?

[00:34:17] You know, cause,

[00:34:20] Shirley the remix.

[00:34:23] Even when you bring up Lucas Hedges.

[00:34:25] I haven't even mentioned him yet,

[00:34:26] but he was doing what he does, Lucas Hedges things.

[00:34:28] But there's a moment where he does have to go

[00:34:31] and sue the big television networks.

[00:34:33] She's like, yeah, I want you to press charges.

[00:34:36] I want you to file a lawsuit.

[00:34:37] Yeah, go do that.

[00:34:38] And he's like, what?

[00:34:39] She's like, yeah, go do that.

[00:34:40] That's normal.

[00:34:41] And he goes off.

[00:34:42] And they lost student by the way.

[00:34:44] Yeah, and they lost student.

[00:34:46] Yeah.

[00:34:46] And he's like, with nobody, the man has no money.

[00:34:49] Shirley and him have no money.

[00:34:51] She said every time they are the broken people

[00:34:53] who ever run for president.

[00:34:54] And she's like, yeah, go sue them

[00:34:56] and see what happens.

[00:34:57] Then he comes back like 30 minutes later,

[00:35:00] by the way, we won.

[00:35:01] Oh, well, we lost the first one, but we won the second one.

[00:35:06] Right.

[00:35:06] We knew we were going to lose the first one.

[00:35:08] So that'll count just yada, yada, yada.

[00:35:09] We will.

[00:35:10] Yada, yada, yada.

[00:35:11] Right.

[00:35:12] And you're like, damn, was it that easy?

[00:35:14] Was it just like, what did you say?

[00:35:15] Did you have to, did Shirley have to speak?

[00:35:18] Do we get, I mean, we know nothing about that.

[00:35:20] We got absolutely nothing about that lawsuit.

[00:35:23] Yeah.

[00:35:25] But we do learn a lot about Shirley's background

[00:35:28] and her family, or at least enough about her family

[00:35:30] to know that her family amongst the many people who were not

[00:35:34] in agreement that this woman should be running for president.

[00:35:36] Mariah, I know you said you felt bad for her.

[00:35:40] This is Regina King's actual sister playing Muriel.

[00:35:44] Yeah, that's her actual biological sister.

[00:35:47] That's what it looked like.

[00:35:49] Yeah.

[00:35:49] Yeah, kind of dope.

[00:35:51] Yeah.

[00:35:52] Yeah.

[00:35:53] So I'm like, that's dope, but you're just

[00:35:55] to really hate you in this movie.

[00:35:57] Can we just?

[00:35:58] We don't want to.

[00:36:01] Her sister was a hater from jump.

[00:36:03] I was like, oh no.

[00:36:05] It's a minute.

[00:36:06] It's a minute.

[00:36:09] And then to have that conversation where she's like,

[00:36:12] yeah, she's like, you were treated specially.

[00:36:15] You're doing this because of dad.

[00:36:17] Dad treated you special.

[00:36:19] And then you get this long, like he had four daughters,

[00:36:22] but he left all his money to you.

[00:36:23] I was like, oh, that's why you're mad.

[00:36:25] Like it's like, oh, this is brutal, man.

[00:36:29] Just brutal.

[00:36:30] And then her sister called and she was like,

[00:36:32] you ain't special.

[00:36:33] You're not anything special.

[00:36:34] And it was just, I was like, man, this is harsh.

[00:36:39] I mean, she's not wrong in the sense of like, this ain't working.

[00:36:43] You're just throwing all your money away.

[00:36:45] And she's telling Shirley, like you make your family,

[00:36:47] you make everybody feel like nothing around you.

[00:36:49] I was like, dang, jobs, body shots.

[00:36:54] Meek, meek, meek, meek.

[00:36:56] Yeah.

[00:36:57] I did feel bad because, and I think again,

[00:37:00] this is what you guys are saying.

[00:37:02] This is where the character study comes in

[00:37:03] because we're kind of like seeing Shirley's life,

[00:37:06] her personal life take huge hits here

[00:37:09] between her sister and her mother,

[00:37:11] her relationship with two of them

[00:37:13] to also her relationship with Conrad

[00:37:15] which we talked about a little bit, you know?

[00:37:17] So it was, yeah, I like these moments

[00:37:22] because these are the moments we don't know about.

[00:37:24] You're not going to read these moments in history books

[00:37:26] but also it was like, dang.

[00:37:30] Yeah.

[00:37:31] Her sister, like from the moment that she's on screen,

[00:37:35] she's just giving the stank eye to Shirley.

[00:37:38] Like just immediate, I don't like you.

[00:37:42] I won't even say goodbye to you at your own party

[00:37:45] kind of vibes.

[00:37:50] There she goes.

[00:37:50] Yes, Reina.

[00:37:51] Yeah.

[00:37:52] I didn't stop saying had similar names.

[00:37:56] Yes.

[00:37:57] Reina King and Regina King right there next to each other.

[00:38:01] Whoa.

[00:38:02] Yeah.

[00:38:03] Definitely.

[00:38:03] You love some queens, don't they?

[00:38:05] A pair of queens.

[00:38:07] Yeah.

[00:38:08] Well, look, yeah.

[00:38:08] If you're watching this on YouTube, yeah.

[00:38:11] We got the picture up.

[00:38:12] It is a picture of Reina, John Ridley and Regina King

[00:38:15] on the red carpet Netflix, like, well, red carpet

[00:38:18] but on the premiere of for the Netflix unveiling here

[00:38:21] in California.

[00:38:22] But yeah, that's her real life sister

[00:38:24] and I believe it's her acting debut as well.

[00:38:27] Well, she did do a good job of playing a stank sister.

[00:38:30] So mega hater.

[00:38:32] She did.

[00:38:33] It was a nice moment when she finally talked

[00:38:36] to her sister on the phone.

[00:38:38] Yes, it was.

[00:38:39] Yeah.

[00:38:40] Like when her sister finally stopped being a hater

[00:38:43] at the very end of the movie.

[00:38:45] Her sister and her mama kind of too.

[00:38:47] Just do proxy.

[00:38:48] She lost.

[00:38:49] Now that you're done with this, we think you did a great job.

[00:38:53] Please don't do it again.

[00:38:54] Please don't do it again.

[00:38:56] Yeah.

[00:38:57] Let's not get Mari mentioned Conrad and throughout this film.

[00:39:00] And again, if this is a character study on Shirley Chisholm,

[00:39:05] I don't know why you would present her like this

[00:39:08] unless it was accurate.

[00:39:09] Like what did this woman do to you

[00:39:10] to make her seem like this?

[00:39:13] Because Conrad, from what we can tell,

[00:39:15] it looks like a loving, supportive husband who

[00:39:18] has been shunned to the background

[00:39:20] like Regina Keane's sister in this movie as well.

[00:39:24] Muriel in this movie.

[00:39:25] Not Regina Keane's.

[00:39:26] It was Shirley's sister in the movie.

[00:39:28] Like I'm going to play a second fiddle to her

[00:39:31] and in a way that is not the most becoming.

[00:39:35] The interaction between the two of them,

[00:39:36] I was like, yeah, just break up.

[00:39:38] This is the only way to divorce.

[00:39:40] Yeah.

[00:39:42] Like there are things about it that I can understand though.

[00:39:46] But you also have to look at them

[00:39:48] from like the perspective of somebody in the 1970s,

[00:39:52] a man in the 1970s.

[00:39:54] Like if I, in this day and age in 2024,

[00:40:00] had a long trip after a long day in the office

[00:40:04] and I finally get home, if there is not dinner ready

[00:40:07] for me then we are done.

[00:40:09] That is the end of our relationship.

[00:40:13] But in the 1970s, men just didn't do things like that.

[00:40:19] Like they didn't think that, I mean, many men still don't

[00:40:22] but they just didn't think that it was like

[00:40:24] a part of their role, right?

[00:40:26] Like he thought of himself as a protector.

[00:40:29] He was her bodyguard.

[00:40:30] He was her photographer.

[00:40:32] But that was not necessary.

[00:40:34] That was only part of the role that she wanted him to play.

[00:40:38] And some men just can't deal with women that outshine them.

[00:40:43] And I mean, I don't know if Conrad was like that

[00:40:47] but I mean like it's tough because I think it was both ways.

[00:40:53] Like he didn't support her in the ways

[00:40:55] that she needed him to support her

[00:40:58] but in the ways he thought he could

[00:41:01] which is two different things

[00:41:02] that happens in relationships a lot.

[00:41:05] You think you're doing what you need to be doing

[00:41:07] but you're not doing what they need you to be doing.

[00:41:11] And so you have that but then Shirley,

[00:41:15] you know, when we get to the part

[00:41:17] where they're arguing over money

[00:41:18] and Shirley's about to put in what another,

[00:41:20] what was it like 30?

[00:41:21] 40, $46,000.

[00:41:23] Too much money in the 70s for sure.

[00:41:25] All right, 30, 36,000 which is like $36 now.

[00:41:29] Like a million dollars straight up.

[00:41:31] And he's like apprehensive about it

[00:41:33] because again by this point

[00:41:35] the campaign is struggling.

[00:41:38] It is on its last, it is limping.

[00:41:41] And Shirley goes, it's my money.

[00:41:43] And he was like, well then why are we even talking?

[00:41:48] I was like, damn, like she didn't have to talk.

[00:41:50] That was a good point.

[00:41:51] Like when she yelled it's my money, I was like, ooh.

[00:41:55] Yeah.

[00:41:57] He like, but girl I'm hungry too.

[00:41:58] You know, I guess you're my,

[00:42:00] I wish you'd save some of it.

[00:42:01] Like I really didn't think that's what I was signing up

[00:42:05] for when I said for Richard or Porra,

[00:42:06] I didn't think you would just go

[00:42:07] and just start throwing our money away.

[00:42:09] The man goes against the chip hooker like here, damn.

[00:42:12] And I'm thinking, you know at home I'm like,

[00:42:14] okay, Tyred, walk out.

[00:42:16] You deserve better.

[00:42:18] The next team, I see him put in camera

[00:42:20] just over the court.

[00:42:21] I said, God damn it, Tyred, stand up.

[00:42:23] Stand up, man.

[00:42:27] I really thought he was done.

[00:42:28] He stayed another five years.

[00:42:30] He swarmed out like he was really about to do something.

[00:42:32] Okay, back in the day, I was like, yeah.

[00:42:35] Cause he said, look, you right, I gotta eat

[00:42:37] and I gotta sleep.

[00:42:38] So you're right in checks,

[00:42:39] go ahead and write one, but also we gotta eat, you know?

[00:42:42] Like keep writing them.

[00:42:43] Yeah, so it was very interesting dynamic

[00:42:46] cause like you said LaTonya in the 70s

[00:42:48] a lot of people were probably looking at him crazy

[00:42:50] like, oh you just letting Shirley just run you like that.

[00:42:53] And then at the same time

[00:42:54] he wasn't doing a great job all the time.

[00:42:56] You know, she come home morning food

[00:42:58] and there ain't no food.

[00:42:58] He's like, what's up?

[00:42:59] And he's like, well,

[00:43:00] I've been waiting on you to get here all night.

[00:43:01] He's sleep on the couch waiting on her.

[00:43:04] So it just felt like they were missing

[00:43:05] from our company.

[00:43:06] Yeah, right.

[00:43:07] Seriously?

[00:43:08] Yeah.

[00:43:09] He like passed out.

[00:43:10] You know, it was all like, okay.

[00:43:11] He ain't sleep.

[00:43:12] He ain't sleep.

[00:43:13] Yeah, he ain't sleep for dinner.

[00:43:15] Been there, done that.

[00:43:16] And so I feel you Conrad, but yeah, Shirley,

[00:43:19] Shirley obviously could do better.

[00:43:21] Like I said, there are some longing glances.

[00:43:23] There's definitely the breakup

[00:43:24] between Shirley and Conrad slowly happening on camera.

[00:43:26] We see that even during with some of her interviews

[00:43:28] they're holding hands.

[00:43:29] And then seconds later, he's like, get off me.

[00:43:32] So we knew that was going to end poorly.

[00:43:35] But then of course the plot twisted.

[00:43:36] If you weren't, if you're Mari,

[00:43:37] you didn't see it coming.

[00:43:39] But Karen Tower is looming and he,

[00:43:42] you know, these lights gave me with a light eyes.

[00:43:44] You know, it's only gonna be so long

[00:43:46] before this woman crumbles.

[00:43:47] And you know, it doesn't happen on camera

[00:43:50] but later on she does go on to Mary Arthur

[00:43:53] and they were married until they both passed.

[00:43:56] So, you know, happy ending right there in some ways.

[00:44:00] Not so happy for Conrad

[00:44:01] but maybe he's happier now that it's over.

[00:44:04] So next thing I want to talk about in this movie,

[00:44:08] you know, we like I said, we get a star studded cast

[00:44:10] but you know, oftentimes in these civil rights movies

[00:44:13] we do have like, you know, the opposition

[00:44:17] that is not the opposition from within, right?

[00:44:19] We get the people who are supposed to be in their camp

[00:44:22] that don't believe in them.

[00:44:24] We saw Rustin had a lot of those issues

[00:44:25] because he was a gay man.

[00:44:27] And so it was like, oh, all the haters on the inside.

[00:44:29] Like these people that we've known as political figures

[00:44:32] our whole life come to find out mega haters

[00:44:34] when it comes to being Rustin.

[00:44:37] And here, we're sure, Chills, we had the same thing.

[00:44:40] I mean, we talked about Rodella but seriously,

[00:44:44] the man just completely let her astray

[00:44:46] throughout the entire film.

[00:44:48] Just he was with her, he was with her,

[00:44:50] he's with her until he wasn't.

[00:44:52] And then everybody started to sharpen their political knives.

[00:44:54] Now, the funniest part about this is that

[00:44:56] all of this is for not Latanya,

[00:44:57] because they're gonna go,

[00:44:58] the Democratic Party loses its election.

[00:44:59] They're not going to win.

[00:45:00] I really want to.

[00:45:01] Yeah.

[00:45:02] I love knowing history.

[00:45:03] I was like, I don't know all of this.

[00:45:05] I don't know all of this to go lose to a crook.

[00:45:08] A crooked criminal.

[00:45:12] Yeah.

[00:45:13] And like Shirley said, you know,

[00:45:16] giving up everything you have for scraps from the table

[00:45:19] as opposed to trying to take it yourself.

[00:45:21] It's like there was nobody,

[00:45:24] no one believed in this woman,

[00:45:26] except for people in her extreme inner circle.

[00:45:30] And even at times they were like,

[00:45:32] this is ridiculous.

[00:45:33] Like don't you think we should stop?

[00:45:37] You don't understand.

[00:45:39] Yeah.

[00:45:40] I really wish they had outlined what they were fighting

[00:45:44] for by the time that they had lost.

[00:45:46] You know what I'm saying?

[00:45:47] Yeah.

[00:45:48] I feel like I picked it up,

[00:45:50] but I also feel like it would have been nice to get like,

[00:45:53] tell it to me like I'm five.

[00:45:54] Like so, like they're fighting for control of delegates

[00:45:59] because you know, we have an electoral college system

[00:46:03] for the convention for the primary.

[00:46:05] You have to hit a certain number.

[00:46:07] They said it.

[00:46:08] McGovern had to hit 1500 delegates in order

[00:46:11] to get on a ticket.

[00:46:14] Once a lot of these little smaller candidates realized

[00:46:17] they weren't going to win the presidency,

[00:46:19] they had to move shifted to get as many delegates

[00:46:22] as you possibly could,

[00:46:23] so that you can then leverage your delegates

[00:46:25] to get what you want on the ticket.

[00:46:29] So for some people like maybe Ron Dellums or Faunt LaRoy

[00:46:33] who might have gotten secretary of treasury,

[00:46:36] we don't know what he was promised, but like-

[00:46:38] Housing, they always-

[00:46:39] Housing, yeah.

[00:46:40] They always housing.

[00:46:41] They always housing, yeah.

[00:46:42] They always housing.

[00:46:43] They always housing.

[00:46:44] They always housing, yeah.

[00:46:45] They gave a heart surgeon housing.

[00:46:50] Housing.

[00:46:52] It's make and make sense.

[00:46:53] He deserved it though, so-

[00:46:55] He definitely did deserve it.

[00:46:56] He deserved less.

[00:46:58] He deserved way less.

[00:47:00] But anyway, you know, so like,

[00:47:03] like at the end where we're thinking like,

[00:47:05] oh, she was about to have 250 delegates.

[00:47:07] She's about to use this power to tell McGovern,

[00:47:10] like we want, we want, like,

[00:47:13] I don't think she was going to use it

[00:47:14] to leverage political power for herself,

[00:47:16] but she was going to want to push certain issues.

[00:47:19] And it all just crumbled because the people

[00:47:22] who were promising her stuff got there,

[00:47:25] got to the event, either made a better deal

[00:47:27] or we don't know.

[00:47:28] They don't really go into what the back feels

[00:47:30] where we just have to sit and speculate,

[00:47:32] but they end up not telling their delegates to back her.

[00:47:36] So she lost any kind of political capital

[00:47:42] that she had and she couldn't get any of her

[00:47:45] from what it showed at what it seemed like

[00:47:47] she couldn't get any of her like reforms or changes.

[00:47:50] She couldn't get heard for anything,

[00:47:52] any issues that she wanted to be addressed.

[00:47:54] So tough ending for Shirley.

[00:47:59] I know like our system still runs like this,

[00:48:02] but it doesn't feel like it runs like this

[00:48:04] because sadly as time has gotten on

[00:48:09] that they've kind of made it so this doesn't happen.

[00:48:12] This exact situation doesn't happen

[00:48:14] where a major candidate can't.

[00:48:18] Can't get all of the delegates,

[00:48:19] they try and make the party as united as possible,

[00:48:24] both parties, blah, blah, blah.

[00:48:26] So, but it was a little interesting lesson in civics

[00:48:31] if you're paying attention.

[00:48:33] When I watch a biopic, what I like to do

[00:48:37] is put four dummies behind the title.

[00:48:40] So Shirley for dummies, Rustin for dummies.

[00:48:43] Yes.

[00:48:43] Right, right.

[00:48:44] Like just because we are well-versed

[00:48:49] in the system of delegates and the electoral college

[00:48:53] doesn't mean that other people watching this movie are.

[00:48:56] Yeah.

[00:48:57] You're supposed to show not tell.

[00:48:59] Yeah.

[00:49:00] And I feel like this movie did a lot of telling

[00:49:01] like for example, all the way early in the movie

[00:49:04] when she first gets elected to Congress

[00:49:07] and she's able to talk herself out of being appointed

[00:49:11] to the agriculture committee.

[00:49:13] How?

[00:49:14] How?

[00:49:15] I'd love to see it.

[00:49:17] The last thing we saw was her yelling at that man

[00:49:19] and that man saying no.

[00:49:20] No, they're walking away.

[00:49:22] They were not walking away.

[00:49:23] And next thing we know, the white guy was like,

[00:49:25] no offense, I just don't know his name personally.

[00:49:27] He was like, oh, you changed and you got

[00:49:31] on a different committee.

[00:49:32] I was like what?

[00:49:33] That actually worked.

[00:49:35] Girl, we saw you lose.

[00:49:36] We thought you lost that fight.

[00:49:37] You know.

[00:49:38] We thought you lost that fight.

[00:49:39] Yeah.

[00:49:41] Yeah.

[00:49:42] No, I agree.

[00:49:43] The agriculture committee fight was one

[00:49:46] because I think she's talking to Speaker of the House McCormick

[00:49:48] at the time.

[00:49:48] And he's more threatened more than anything about the amount

[00:49:54] she's getting paid.

[00:49:54] He's like, you making roughly $40,000 a year?

[00:49:58] Like wasn't that McCormick?

[00:50:00] Yeah, I believe so.

[00:50:02] No, it was a different white guy that told her

[00:50:04] she was making too much money.

[00:50:06] Too many.

[00:50:07] So many.

[00:50:08] All three.

[00:50:09] When they take that picture in front of the Capitol building,

[00:50:13] I'm just like, who are these clones?

[00:50:15] Yeah.

[00:50:16] I can't believe it.

[00:50:17] So many white men that look alike in the same picture.

[00:50:20] Yeah.

[00:50:21] They said she is she the first black female congresswoman?

[00:50:24] Yeah.

[00:50:25] Yeah.

[00:50:26] And they skimmed over that.

[00:50:28] They kind of yada-yada.

[00:50:29] They do.

[00:50:31] It's in the first 10 minutes of the movie.

[00:50:33] We find out that she was the first black woman elected

[00:50:36] to Congress.

[00:50:38] But you know what we do know?

[00:50:39] Right away.

[00:50:40] She loves McDonald's.

[00:50:42] She loves McDonald's.

[00:50:43] She loves her McDonald's.

[00:50:46] She's from Barbados because we get a lot of the accent.

[00:50:50] We get a lot of the Bahamas in there.

[00:50:52] But we do know that, I mean, maybe

[00:50:54] that's a character trait for her.

[00:50:55] Maybe like when people talk about her they're like, man,

[00:50:57] she always had her McDonald's on hand

[00:50:59] because she made sure to point it out a couple times

[00:51:01] throughout the film.

[00:51:02] I just, I don't know.

[00:51:03] You know, as we talk it through,

[00:51:04] I feel like there's just a lot of missed opportunities

[00:51:06] to really tell the story.

[00:51:07] If you're looking at this the way

[00:51:09] LaTanya was talking about it as Shirley Ford Dummies,

[00:51:12] I really feel like if I'm a kid I should be able to watch this

[00:51:14] and be like, man, that's who I want to do my book report on.

[00:51:17] Or I don't have to do a book report anymore

[00:51:18] because I sing the movie.

[00:51:19] Maybe that.

[00:51:20] But here, I'm like, I'd have to do a lot more research

[00:51:23] into this to really be able to tell the story of Shirley

[00:51:27] Chisholm.

[00:51:28] And I think that even me knowing vaguely what

[00:51:31] was going on around time being able to watch the movie

[00:51:34] together, I still don't think I have.

[00:51:35] Like if you told me to give you the Shirley Chisholm,

[00:51:37] you know, the one pager, I feel like it would be very,

[00:51:41] by the numbers like this, you know, like,

[00:51:44] wearing for president, you know, women's movement

[00:51:48] did not win president.

[00:51:51] Yeah, Doors by the Black Panthers.

[00:51:53] Marry, that was one of my favorite scenes

[00:51:54] when she sat down with Huey or sat down with Huey Newton.

[00:51:59] The conversation is so funny because I think he's

[00:52:02] like a 30-year-old Black man, and she's almost 50 at the time.

[00:52:07] And he is not suffering her stuff at all.

[00:52:10] He's like, hey, bro, straight up, what are you here to do?

[00:52:13] What do you come for?

[00:52:15] Because you feel, to me, you're feeling a little unfamiliar.

[00:52:18] I'm not liking it.

[00:52:20] And she quickly turns him around.

[00:52:22] You know, the next almost 15 we

[00:52:24] see that she has the support of the Black.

[00:52:27] Yeah, but Marry, you're right.

[00:52:29] Kind of would like to see it.

[00:52:30] You know, what does it look like with Shirley

[00:52:32] and the Black Panthers?

[00:52:34] Right.

[00:52:34] Like I would have loved for them to flesh that out.

[00:52:39] Like flesh that out.

[00:52:40] Like Huey being like, you call this a shame,

[00:52:43] but she's like no.

[00:52:45] I said in the shame that you were necessary because,

[00:52:48] you know, the failures of government.

[00:52:51] I like I loved a lot of her nuanced speeches about like,

[00:52:55] because that's that stuff that we're thinking about right now.

[00:52:57] I was like, we're putting band-aids over bullet wounds,

[00:53:01] trying to fix some of this political stuff.

[00:53:04] And it's just not working.

[00:53:05] And Shirley was about fixing the overall systemic things,

[00:53:09] you know, and the Black Panthers were too, you know.

[00:53:12] So it was very good.

[00:53:14] I thought that was a great interaction.

[00:53:16] Diane Carroll's house?

[00:53:18] Like Diane Carroll's house.

[00:53:21] LaTanya, did you know this?

[00:53:24] No.

[00:53:25] When they said, when Huey wants a neutral place to meet,

[00:53:29] and they said, where?

[00:53:31] At Diane Carroll's house, I was like, what?

[00:53:35] What's that place?

[00:53:36] I don't know.

[00:53:37] Right.

[00:53:37] I thought who Diane Carroll is.

[00:53:39] Why is this considered a neutral place to meet?

[00:53:42] She gets into the status, and that's so cool.

[00:53:45] And I feel like we got like a five minute scene

[00:53:50] between Diane and Shirley.

[00:53:53] Like probably the movie to be more about California,

[00:53:57] because it would mean we get more Diane and Carroll.

[00:54:00] Yeah.

[00:54:01] Yeah.

[00:54:01] That's real.

[00:54:03] Diane and Carroll played by Amira Van in this, Amira Van.

[00:54:06] I know her best.

[00:54:07] I don't know if y'all recognize her,

[00:54:08] but I know her best from How to Get Away with Murder.

[00:54:10] She said, Laura Castillo, you know?

[00:54:13] Every time I see her, I'm like, Miss Castillo,

[00:54:16] you know?

[00:54:18] What was she like when she was late later?

[00:54:21] She's the detective.

[00:54:24] But yeah, I think she is a detective

[00:54:26] in How to Get Away with Murder.

[00:54:27] She's an attorney.

[00:54:28] She's an attorney.

[00:54:28] She's teaking.

[00:54:30] But yeah, she's always coming to our show, Miss Castillo.

[00:54:35] So the whole time I watched it, I couldn't unsee Castillo.

[00:54:40] Who the whole time?

[00:54:42] It was so dope.

[00:54:44] Diane Carroll, we lost not too long ago as well.

[00:54:48] It's so weird now, I guess, being of a certain age now

[00:54:54] where a lot of these people who are in these biopics,

[00:54:56] I'm like, oh, I was around when they were alive.

[00:54:58] It felt like when I was a child, the people

[00:55:00] they were talking about were older political figures

[00:55:03] a lot of times.

[00:55:04] Oh, that guy's probably passed away or it was about to.

[00:55:08] And now it's like, oh, it's just Diane Carroll.

[00:55:10] And they're like, wait, oh yeah.

[00:55:12] Damn.

[00:55:14] Poor one out with Diane Carroll.

[00:55:15] Definitely a plot twist I was not expecting.

[00:55:17] I think Shirley was even surprised to.

[00:55:18] She was like, we're going to Diane Carroll's house?

[00:55:20] I'm sorry.

[00:55:21] Yeah.

[00:55:22] Diane Carroll?

[00:55:23] Yeah.

[00:55:24] But I think overall a good film.

[00:55:27] Like I said, I liked the fact that we did get so many

[00:55:30] references that we knew about people that we had heard about

[00:55:33] and even some lesser known names in this movement

[00:55:37] whereas these were just Shirley's advisors, people

[00:55:40] that were very important to her

[00:55:42] but may not be able to get their flowers in history.

[00:55:45] Also, Mari of course, outlawed that Barbara Lee is in the film.

[00:55:49] And then by the end she's telling her story

[00:55:52] being that Shirley is one of her mentors.

[00:55:54] And so that's fun.

[00:55:55] But I think overall for me, I really enjoyed it.

[00:55:58] I thought it was cool but I cannot lie and say

[00:56:01] I didn't want more.

[00:56:02] So like I said, Latanya, we're waiting on Shirley too.

[00:56:06] Shirley's revenge.

[00:56:07] Yeah, Shirley too, cruise control.

[00:56:10] Right, exactly.

[00:56:11] Exactly.

[00:56:13] Shirley too, Google.

[00:56:19] Yeah.

[00:56:20] Shirley again is what it's called.

[00:56:22] Some more.

[00:56:23] Shirley too, too much to handle.

[00:56:26] Shirley too.

[00:56:27] Shirley too much to handle.

[00:56:29] Back in habit.

[00:56:32] Shirley too, bad boys for life.

[00:56:36] All that to say.

[00:56:38] For me I could have used some more Shirley in my Shirley

[00:56:41] but it was a great job from all the actors.

[00:56:44] I loved it.

[00:56:44] I will tell people to watch it.

[00:56:46] But at the same time, I might say go watch some more stuff too.

[00:56:50] Get into it.

[00:56:51] Get into the legacy and the life of Shirley Chisholm

[00:56:53] because it was a very interesting documentary

[00:56:55] about a very interesting woman, Latanya.

[00:56:58] Yeah, I mean a woman who paved the way for basically

[00:57:04] all of the women that are in positions of power

[00:57:08] in Congress today.

[00:57:09] So yeah, everyone thanks Shirley and watch this movie.

[00:57:15] Yeah, Mari final words about Shirley?

[00:57:18] Yeah, it honestly great movie, well acted.

[00:57:23] We did get the character moments about her.

[00:57:25] I feel like I know more about Shirley Chisholm herself

[00:57:29] but definitely need to go brush up on my history about her

[00:57:34] and what she did that's so long lasting.

[00:57:38] But I really enjoyed it and I definitely suggest

[00:57:43] as many people as possible go watch it.

[00:57:45] It was great.

[00:57:47] Yep, agreed.

[00:57:48] All right, well that wraps up our coverage of Shirley.

[00:57:51] It was a great time.

[00:57:53] Latanya thank you so much for coming.

[00:57:56] Again if you have any suggestions Latanya

[00:57:59] any recommendations that you would want us to talk about

[00:58:01] here on Recap Cake Back, you're welcome back all the time.

[00:58:03] Come on back.

[00:58:04] Come chop it up with us.

[00:58:06] People don't know this but this is the most,

[00:58:08] the biggest pro Gail Bean podcast ever.

[00:58:11] Yes.

[00:58:12] And she's got a lot of stuff in the works.

[00:58:15] We didn't know the snowfall spin off is coming soon

[00:58:17] and so Latanya, yeah we ain't talking about

[00:58:20] Wanda without you so definitely be prepared to come back.

[00:58:23] I'm so excited.

[00:58:24] The Beanisons is on us.

[00:58:26] It's a fun one.

[00:58:27] The Beanisons, yes.

[00:58:29] Well Latanya in the meantime tell people

[00:58:31] where they can find you and what you're up to.

[00:58:34] Well right now I am making the rounds on some podcasts.

[00:58:39] Having a good time, I guessed it on Silent Podcast.

[00:58:43] I don't know about that with Gia where we talked

[00:58:46] about the first episode of Survivor

[00:58:47] so that was like one of the only times

[00:58:50] I've ever talked about Survivor on a podcast.

[00:58:53] I love Survivor now.

[00:58:54] That's a new development.

[00:58:56] So yeah I'm excited about that.

[00:58:59] I've been on the Movie Ladder podcast back to back.

[00:59:02] First we talked about poor things

[00:59:05] and then we talked about Barbie because I've always wanted

[00:59:09] to talk about Barbie on a podcast that happened.

[00:59:12] So you can check me out there

[00:59:13] and then you can check me out every week

[00:59:14] on the Top Chef Rahap up with Hailey and Kurt

[00:59:18] where we break down every new episode of Top Chef.

[00:59:21] There's a new one happening tonight.

[00:59:24] The whole new season, no Cadmah but Kristen Kish

[00:59:28] is the new host and she's doing a really good job.

[00:59:31] Plus they've introduced some new twists in the show

[00:59:34] that I'm getting used to.

[00:59:37] I'm not sold yet but I'm getting used to it.

[00:59:42] And then if you wanna know more of LK Starks

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[01:00:05] All right, thank you Latanya and again so happy to have you back.

[01:00:08] Thank you for having me, I had so much fun.

[01:00:10] No this was a great time for sure.

[01:00:12] Mari.

[01:00:13] Yes.

[01:00:13] What's up?

[01:00:14] What you got going on?

[01:00:16] Well of course.

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