Sinners Movie Review & Ending Explained | Spoilers + Theories

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[00:00:57] Hey, what's up fam? It's Chappelle and I want to welcome you back to Recap Kickback for another movie review. And this time, I mean, it's going to be a good one. All the reviews are saying we had to talk about it. All the messages are saying you got to talk about this. You got to talk about this. You got to talk about this. So I'm back and I have with me, of course, my co-host Mari to talk about sinners. Mari.

[00:01:43] Yes. Yes. Yes. You're perfect. I'm going to talk about sinners because I know you are a sinner. We're obvious. Wait, what? No. Yeah. Yeah. For obvious reasons. No, we are not on the same page with that. I just feel like we were on the same page. No, we were obviously we're talking about sinners. So we need Mari, the sinner. Okay. Okay. Chappelle, I think it's the number one sinner here. Wow. Crazy, Mari. Mari, welcome back.

[00:02:15] Yes. I'm so glad to be back talking this movie specifically. We got so many requests to do this. Of course, we're going to do it. It was just about a matter of timing. And I'm so glad that we were able to work this out. Man, that movie was something else. So can't wait to discuss it and break it all down with you and the listener.

[00:02:37] Yeah. And with us, we have a special guest. Last week, Mari was able to bring on her dad to talk to us. And it was such a good time. We talked about G20 with Viola Davis. And so this week, we're bringing on my son. Welcome back, Lex. Y'all might remember Lex from our Grammy conversation. Lexington, welcome back, man.

[00:03:00] What's up, Chip? Good to have me. Good to have you back. I'm going to let that son. I'm going to let you make it because it's your show. But thank you for having me. I'm happy to be here. Happy to talk about sinners. Yeah, just like Mari, like I'm very excited to talk about it tonight. So thank you for having me.

[00:03:24] Of course. Thank you for coming. And yeah, for anybody, our normal or like our regular listeners, you already know, we talk a lot about black entertainment news. We talk about movies and TV. But this is such a momentous occasion. This particular movie is taking the world by storm. And so, of course, we have to assemble a panel of people to talk about it. So thank you all for listening, of course, and subscribing to the podcast. Because you know what? You're not going to want to miss this. Just like you're not going to want to miss this movie. I think we're going to start off. We're going to talk about, you know, kind of the reviews, our personal reviews on the movie. And then,

[00:03:54] maybe we'll take a break and get into some spoilers and deeper conversations about the plot. Because if you've been paying attention, you know, we have one of the foremost experts on black stuff and vampire stuff and how they intercept. And that would be our number one center here, Mari. Really? Are we going to let this go? I'm sorry. Number one center fan. Fan. Center fan. Of the movie. Trying to make that happen. Anyways. Thank you. Exactly. Thank you, Lex.

[00:04:24] Yeah. You know, if you just boil it down to a vampire movie, then you miss a lot of the context and the nuance. But, you know, at the heart, that is, you know, the driving vehicle to all these other motifs and narratives. And, of course, me being a vampire aficionado, knowing the rules of vampirism, I thought this was so well handled.

[00:04:51] You know, I don't, you know, we'll get into it. Once we get into the spoiler stuff, we'll really break it down. But being able to know who the vampire is because of, like, concrete vampire, you know, lore and logic and rules was really fun. Like, Ryan Coogler really used that, those story beats really well. But also hearing the, like, southern gothic version of vampires.

[00:05:17] You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not your typical European lens focused type vampire stories that we most often get. So this was, oh, this was so fun. It was such a, such a good horror movie. And it had some really good jump scares in there. I was like, why would you scare me three minutes in? Like, what happened? Oh, yeah. Right out the gate. Lex, you've come on before as our music correspondent. And you're definitely a person that I love to talk to about music.

[00:05:46] But we don't talk about movies a lot, mostly because of me, because I don't watch a lot of movies. Lex, are you a big vampire person? Are you a big Ryan Coogler person? What was it that made you want to volunteer to be on our panel tonight? Actually, it was both. Big fan of Ryan Coogler. I've watched, I was a big Blade fan. I liked the entire trilogy, even though everybody hates the third movie. The third one is my favorite one. That's my favorite one. Underworld. Underworld. I watched every single Underworld movie.

[00:06:16] True Blood. We did talk about that. Interview with a vampire. So, I mean, I've watched a good bit of vampire lore kind of content. So, but watching this movie, it didn't feel, it didn't really feel like a horror movie to me. It felt very historical. Yes. Just kind of under, you know, just from the beginning, a lot of, just throughout the movie, they dropped a lot of gems.

[00:06:46] And if you didn't know historical context, you would have missed it. But even listening, like you had, I had to be very active from the first, the first voice you hear to the very end. I had to, I had to be very intentional the entire time I was watching. So I think that's what really grabbed me into this movie more than anything else. And I, and I was like, I need to, I need to come back and watch it again, just so I can see what I missed from the last time.

[00:07:15] But it was an amazing movie. That is a shame, not being able to watch it again before we really deep down dive into it. But it's still good. Yeah. This is our movie synopsis or review, I guess, after just one viewing. And I'm sure there are people who are probably going to go watch this four or five times. You could definitely pencil me in for at least two views of this movie for sure in the next couple of weeks. And so this is just our knee jerk reactions and review of the movie.

[00:07:41] If you are not familiar with Sinners, the brief synopsis that I found online, I'm going to read that for you. It says, trying to leave their troubled lives behind, twin brothers returned to their Mississippi hometown to start again, only to discover that evil, even greater evil is waiting to welcome them back. And so that's Sinners in a tiny, tiny nutshell. Lex, you are not from Mississippi. You're actually from Louisiana. Did you find out like some, like, I guess some kinship in the way this movie was presented?

[00:08:08] You know, being that, you know, your roots being in Louisiana, but there's a lot of overlap, I think sometimes with the culture down in the Delta. Yes. So I was able to get some back, like some feeling just with one of the main characters, Annie, her being a Creole woman. Like I recognize that from the jump. But even, you know, some of the folklore, my dad's side of the family being from South Carolina,

[00:08:35] just having those, this felt very at home to me just in general. Just from the dialect to the talk about sharecropping, you know, all that kind of stuff that they talked about in the movie. Just many of the different historical contexts in the movie I was able to really connect with throughout the entire film. Just all the different history nuggets, all that kind of stuff.

[00:09:02] So, but with Annie, I felt like she was just like an ancestor, just pretty much speaking to me throughout the entire movie. So I really resonated with her. And I honestly, she was my favorite through the entire movie. Yeah. Yeah. I read an article on Variety that said, I think it was titled, Five Reasons Why Ryan Coogler and Michael B. Jordan Sinners Ruled the Box Office.

[00:09:31] Apparently, number one at the box office over the weekend, earning $48 million domestically, $63 million globally. Okay. And so this proves that people are still going to the movies for things other than just superhero sequels. And so, you know, we had to go and watch it. I definitely felt the need to go watch it. And I was pleasantly surprised at everything. I didn't even know what to expect. I knew it was a vampire movie, but I didn't know how they were going to present it. You could tell by the trailer that it was a period piece.

[00:10:00] But, you know, the question was like, okay, is it going to land? And I really think it did. I found several parts of that article to be very interesting. So it says, Coogler and Jordan are big box office draws. Now, there's a lot of talk going on about these pairs of, you know, these directors alongside their muses, you know, especially the black ones. Right, exactly. And Ryan Coogler and Michael B. Jordan are now in the conversation for like just, you know, one of those pairs that you can kind of expect greatness from.

[00:10:29] This article mentions Creed, obviously. Michael B. Jordan's role in the Black Panther as Killmonger. And then now this as well. And so, I don't know. Personally, of those three things, this is my favorite thing that they've ever done together. I'm so excited. And I love the Black Panther. Make no mistake. I just didn't care about Michael B. Jordan in the Black Panther. So, if you tell me that Michael B. Jordan was in the Black Panther, I'm like, yes, he was.

[00:10:59] But that's not how, I don't look at it as a Ryan Coogler, Michael B. Jordan project. This felt like Ryan Coogler and Michael B. Jordan were back at it again. I think Fruville Station is another one as an article along where that felt like it's the two of them. And so, for me, this is my favorite one. But maybe I'm in a minority. Mari, what about you? Where does this rank amongst your Coogler B. Jordan projects? No, I completely agree with you there. It's because it felt like so them.

[00:11:29] I think it's my favorite. Fruville was so hard for me to watch just because of the stuff. And Creed definitely was one of my favorite. Like, the horror genre just calls to me more than, like, dramatic sports movie. So, I would definitely put Sinners up there. And I love the thought of their partnership. You know, you think of, like, Martin Scorsese and Leonardo DiCaprio. You know what I'm saying?

[00:11:58] Like, you think of, like, Tim Burton and Helena Bonham Carter. It's like that when you get those directors and those actors, they normally, like, make really good products together and stuff like that. So, I love stuff like that. And they really are really good. And you can tell that they really get each other's, like, ideas and know how to feed off of each other. So, this was great.

[00:12:27] And this was crazy that Michael B. Jordan played two characters in this. And at first, I was like, oh, God, am I going to be distracted by this the whole entire time? And then, like, I, and then at some point I was like, oh, these are two separate people. And, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, crazy. Yeah. I think he did a great job. Another pair that I really like is, like, Denzel and Spike Lee. You know, where they do, like, Malcolm X. And then, like, what is it? He Got Game.

[00:12:56] And Moe Better Blue. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just certain, like, I think your Helena Bonham Carter reference is a really good one, especially with Tim Burton. But, yeah, it's just certain actors where you put them with a director and you know they going to cook. Lex, did this work for you for Michael B. Jordan? Because I know as an actor, he's a little divisive. So, when you talked about Black Panther and Killmonger, I thought he did, I thought he did well. Like, he played a great anti-hero in Black Panther.

[00:13:26] So, but in this movie, I felt like he reached a new level just because he had to play two separate characters. And watching the film, you realize, like, he was able to really draw out, like, each character had their own flaws, their own mindset on how they felt.

[00:13:51] So, whenever you saw them on screen and how they spoke, how they interact with people, their mannerisms, they were completely separate of each other. But felt the same, in a sense, kind of like how you see identical twins. So, I do, I agree with Mario. Like, this is, this was his best, his best acting role.

[00:14:15] Um, but at the same time, his cast, his cast, the cast around him, um, they out, they out-acted him, in my opinion. I agree with you, brother. I'm sorry. It's, well, for me, Mario, man, I, and I think that's a problem with Michael B. Jordan in general. Like, I think, like, Creed is like, that's a movie.

[00:14:45] That's his movie. Like, he is the star. He is acting. I think he is probably the, he is the best performance in that movie. I think, obviously, Fruitvale Station is, like, his show as well. That's the thing. But amongst the ensemble cast, a lot of times I can be like, man, Michael B. Jordan not giving me what I need. Like, that's why I was critical of the Black Panther. I mean, mind you, in the Black Panther, he's surrounded by Oscar-winning actors. I'm talking about, he's surrounded by legends, okay? Like, it's, he had, I'm just happy he was able to be in the room with some of those people, okay? Just the garments.

[00:15:15] Bro, Angela Bassett, Sterling K. Brown, I mean, Forrest Whitaker, that, the, the cat, that cast there? Chadwick. You know, that cast is crazy. You ain't wrong, Lex. This was a nasty cast, man. There was some action going on. I do want to give a shout-out to, of course, the cast. Because, I mean, it's hard for me not to just go to Wumi Masako and just sit there and just be like, man, this lady.

[00:15:41] You know, her role, we talked about, I think Latonya and I had talked about Lovecraft Country and her role there and how we were just like really stunned by a lot of her choices there. But, of course, you have Michael B. Jordan. You have my boy, Delroy Lindo, who, I mean, one of my favorite actors of all time. And this might be the Delroy Lindo role that I will never, like, this might be my role for that guy, okay? Right. Delroy. Another one of my favorites.

[00:16:11] Delroy Lindo. He was my second favorite. And he one of them Brits. He one of them in it, too. And like, yeah. Yes. You ain't know? Delroy from here. Delroy. He is the OG. He is the OG of OG. Yeah. Like, before Idris, before. Yeah. At this point. Oh, my God. Just tell me when it's an American.

[00:16:37] Like, that's a larger conversation than me and Martin being, like, tiptoeing around all the time anyway. But, man. Yeah. The cast is just crazy. I think you get, like, some good breakout performances from, like, Hailee Steinfeld as well. From Jamie Lawson, who I loved, you know, in her role in the Batman movie and in the Penguin TV show.

[00:17:04] So, there's a lot of good acting going on around him. I was trying to figure out where she was from. The moment I saw her face, I was like, who? Where do I know she? Yeah. I was like, where do I know her from? And then, of course, old favorite. Omar Benton Miller as Cornbread. This man. I feel like I've known him my whole life. Okay. When he comes to my life. I'm like, that's my dog right there. Okay. Cornbread, I'll see you. Yeah. Very happy with the cast. And the audience reception has been crazy as well.

[00:17:34] I pulled this from that article as well. Critics have been singing the praises of sinners, which boasts a near 98% Rotten Tomatoes average. And now moviegoers, too, have rapturously received the movie, which earned an A grade on cinema score exit polls. And this is significant because in 35 years, it's the first horror film to do that. And so this has, what do they call it? Exceeded the medium or something like that. You know? So it's like, yeah.

[00:18:04] Yeah. Yeah. It's gotten to the point where it's bigger. It's bigger than the typical horror movie. And I understand why. Yeah. I understand why, though. I watched it. And to me, you know, there are definitely aspects of this movie that is horror. But there's a big chunk of this movie that doesn't feel like horror. Like Lex was saying, it feels almost like a historical piece, like a period piece. And obviously, it's just riddled with subtext and, you know, just other, I guess, metaphors

[00:18:33] for things that, you know, apply to real life. And it seems like they're using vampires as a vehicle to tell the story, Mari. And so that's why I appreciate it. I think if you're a vampire fan, you can like it. But if you just like a good black ass movie, this might be a movie for you. Exactly. And we didn't even touch on like Miles Canton, the breakout star. Breakout star. This is his first role. This is his first role.

[00:19:03] I could not believe that when I looked that up after that. Like this is like his first major role. And I was just like astounded just from the moment he starts singing. Like his tone of voice throughout the whole movie was just really good. And like you said, it is technically a horror movie, but it does not feel like a horror. Well, no, it doesn't. Like it's hard because the jump scares were so good.

[00:19:33] Like I'm very rarely, like very rarely do. Like jump scares are impactful anymore. Remember when like, like during horror, it would be so many jump scares, jump scares, jump scares, that we got so desensitized to it. Right. So then they had to start doing like slide of hand jump scares. Like, oh, you think it's going to be this way? No, it's that way. You know, very conjuring type.

[00:19:57] Like the jump scares in this just out of nowhere, like no preamble, no warning, just there. And I was like, oh, like a few times, you know, the feeling, just the feeling of intense, like suspense and stuff like that. They basically give us like a, what do they call it? Like a seven samurai setup, you know, cause yeah.

[00:20:24] So just genre bending, very genre bending movie. They couldn't, they didn't know, is it horror? Is it Southern Gothic? Is it, you know, a vampire movie? What like, just, is it a Western? So it's just so many, I don't know if I said that already, but yeah. Yeah, that's okay. And my favorite part of the movie is the music. Y'all know me. I love TV. I love movies.

[00:20:54] But music is where you get, that's my soul, okay? And big shout out to Miles. He played the guitar in this movie, for real. This is not, you know, voiceover guitar work. This is a man singing and playing the guitar. So make sure y'all go and throw him some Instagram follows for sure. I mean, not that he's going to need it. We're going to be a part of the show. We're going to be a part of the show. We're going to be a part of the show. We're going to be a part of the show. And that's why we're going to be a part of the show. The platform, the we've used before Shopify, has used regularly updates, which have often led to the show that the show didn't work.

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[00:21:53] But for me, the parts of this that hit closest at home is that I grew up in the South with real southern ass uncles and my grandpa. And they played music. To this day, I have my late grandfather's guitar in my house. I'm used to my earliest memories being tied to people playing the guitar and the harmonica. And so to see that as almost like one of the vehicles to tell the story through, you had me at the beginning. From the moment Delroy Lindo's character pops out,

[00:22:23] I'm just sitting there like, oh yeah, I forgot this is a vampire movie. Because right now I feel like I'm at home. And we're really telling almost like a separate story, right? The story of, you know, like the little synopsis we read definitely talks about Michael B. Jordan as the brothers and them coming and dealing with this evil. But to me, this is the story of Preacher Boy. You know, this is Sammy. This is the story of Sammy trying to figure out his path using music

[00:22:49] and trying to hold on to something that he loves while also acknowledging that, you know, there are some darker sides to music as an industry, as, you know, historically, you know, what that means for Black people, but also in the church and spirituality and things of that nature. He's grappling with all of that. And it's the story of his life. And so, ah, you had me. You had me. I mean, I really was like, why ain't nobody tell me this is about music? Like, I was in the movie theater like, ain't nobody tell me nothing. So, I was locked in.

[00:23:19] It was great. I thoroughly enjoyed it. And if I, you know, if anybody's listening to this and you haven't already seen Sinners, obviously we're speaking very highly of it. Go check it out. Don't get online. Being contrarian. I've seen some people, a couple people like, I don't know, y'all, this movie boring. Like, boo, boo, shut up. That's not cute. Stop it. We're throwing tomatoes. Boo. We're throwing apples. They're harder. But yeah. Any final words for our people who have not checked out the movie? Lex, why don't you give us a final note? Final review before we hop into some spoilers.

[00:23:49] Well, I wanted to add a couple of contexts to Miles Canton as well. Looking, finding out that he was a background singer for her in the past, but also he learned to play that guitar while filming, practicing multiple hours a day. So that just showed his determination, his willingness to learn, his dedication. Thank you. To wanting to learn that role.

[00:24:18] So, I mean, just to say, like, this is his first acting role. He absolutely killed it. But this movie, I mean, the music, like you said, I mean, the last time we talked, we talked about music because that's literally how we became as close as we are is through music. So in that first instance, when they're talking about music and it's just, yeah, the music is what sold me the movie.

[00:24:47] But even still from the trailer to actually watching the movie, it tells you pretty much nothing until you watch the film. Right. So, yeah, it was, I mean, I left the film watching the movie wanting, like, just not only wanting to see it again, but also looking back at my own personal story and, you know, my line of heritage and just wanting to,

[00:25:13] just a piece of gratitude about the film in my own personal journey and my family's journey as well. So it was just an amazing film. All right, Mari, and you get the final words before we get into the nitty and gritty. Anything you want to leave our listeners? I wish somebody, honestly, I wish somebody would have told me about the end credits scene because, let's just say I watched it when I got home. I'll put it like that. My bad, I should have.

[00:25:40] Because I saw, I saw somebody say that and I was about to get up in the movie and James was like, sit down. There's a credit. I was like, we, right. And then I was like, yeah. But anyway, if you haven't seen this movie, go see it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I know it's like, we were talking about last week. People were saying it was a good movie before it even came out. So you're probably like, oh, I got everything. Oh my God. Like, like, like Chappelle said, don't be a country and miss out on an original project.

[00:26:10] Like, let's, let's be real. One of the best things about it is that it's original. It's not some ripped off IP that's been done to death. It's not a franchise that has multiple sequels. It's something new. And not only is it something new, but it's something for Black people. Yes, everybody else can experience it and get it and love it. But for us, it was like, it's definitely an experience that hits close to home. And that should not, me saying that should not scare you away from seeing it.

[00:26:39] It's still a good movie, no matter what. And like, if you come out of that movie feeling some type of way, I think you might want to reevaluate why you feel some type of way about it. If you are not Black. So I say all this to say, the movie itself is so good. The trailers. So the first trailer, I was like, oh yes, thank you. Tell me nothing. I love this. And then as more trailers came out, I'm like, well, what are you telling us about the vampires? We're telling us about the vampires. What are you telling us about the vampires?

[00:27:08] So I was kind of upset about that. I was like, man, why didn't y'all save that? And I go in there, I'm like, oh, because there's all of this. You know, like, there's all of this you didn't tell me about. So this is fine. So, but it's such a good project. It's such a good project. We constantly are asking Hollywood and entertainment to feed us something new and something good. And they give it to you. It's here.

[00:27:35] Don't let it be a history of Black struggles keep you from enjoying a really good piece. So. Yeah. And with that, we'll take a brief break and we'll get into the bigger parts of the movie right after this. Okay, we're back. I've been holding, you know, we had to keep it cute for the first 20 some minutes so that people could come in and tap out.

[00:28:04] But if you're here, you're ready to get, you're ready to talk about the movie, the movie. All right. I didn't, I didn't really get into this person as we were talking about the cast because it is such a amazing cast. I think that everybody was doing well. But some of the acting that we got across the board, like I was being a little mean to Michael B. Jordan, but he did great. He did great. But Jack O'Connell as Remnick, Remnick, our vampire. Oh my God. Scary.

[00:28:32] It's like, who was like switching between the like Southern twang and then boom, I was there. He's Irish. And you know, I was like, like, y'all not gonna get his man his flowers. Like y'all got to, okay. All right. You know? And so I had to leave with that because like you said, this is a movie that's told in different ways, but at the end of the day, still vampires. And our main vampire, Mari, his motivation in this movie.

[00:29:00] They, it's like, it's, it's defined, but it's like, I don't really know what his long-term goal was. He's like, right. I'm after, I'm basically the devil and I'm after Sammy. And I, cause he's got this music ability, uh, that we will hear about that allows him to connect with the ancestors and with the future of music as well. And I need that. I need to get that. I gotta have that. And he goes after it.

[00:29:26] And then I'm like, okay, if he were to get it, then what? Is this man talking about colonizing this black man's music? Like, are we really getting into taking his music and gentrifying and colonizing it and making it kind of like making it his own? Cause he says, I want your music to be my music, but I also want my music to be your music. I want all of that mixed up in a bowl.

[00:29:51] So this was such an interesting way of explaining a vampire's motivation, because as you know, vampire expert, you know, typically they just hungry. Well, so in vampire lore, it's not about just being hungry. It is about growing your flock, you know, like vampires, vampires can be very, um, coven based. Like we get the, the, the telltale story of Dracula and people think of Dracula and

[00:30:18] Renfield and Dracula being very solid, solitary, but other vampire lore is like, uh, vampire bloodlines. And sometimes certain vampires have certain abilities and they want to spread those abilities through their children. And they do that by creating. And this is, this felt like this is that type of vampire, not a sedimentary, like just, I need one type of, I just need one companion, like interview with a vampire.

[00:30:44] It's, it's a family seeking, um, vampire vampire. And I love, I love that, that aspect of that. You said so many things there about, um, Remick, the, the main vampire. Him, like him come approaching that way was like kind of unnerving because let's be real. When we all saw the trailer, we were like, Oh, we, we, we thought clan, you know, I thought

[00:31:14] clan, you know, but then he comes up there. He's like, no, we all, I want everybody to be together and we'll, we'll live together in peace and harmony. And, and he was using those like special words. Like they don't treat, you know, they don't treat you the way you should be treated here. You know, he's like, I'm going to go kill some bigots after this. Like it, it just, it just shows you like when the devil comes to you, he's going to bring sweet words, you know, you know what I'm saying?

[00:31:43] And that was the unnerving part of it. It was because he was saying things that were so like, Oh my God. Like, am I about to be in a cult? Is this a cult? This is definitely, but we're also vampires. Like it was, it was so good. And I loved, I don't even know what was the word for what, um, Sammy had like, um, like Sammy, like, I, I, I didn't get it down, but I like how the movie opened with that lore.

[00:32:09] Like there are people who can spin songs so well that it opens the gate between the future and the past and the present. And when that happens, it calls to the other side of the veil and evil comes. I was like, I ain't never heard of this. This sounds cool. And that definitely sounds like some deep South lore, um, to mix with. Like it was like, they, they told, they told us some deep South Southern black lore that

[00:32:34] mixed with again, what is very well known as a European lore of, of the vampire. And it was so good. So good. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is our big bad throughout the movie. And so we're, we have to kind of try to figure out how to navigate that, but there's so much black exposition to get there, you know, just to, you know, even get to the vampire part. And so we start off the movie with, um, you know, clearly like the way, I think you mentioned the jump scares, Mari, but the way the movie starts, it's just like, we, we

[00:33:04] meet Sammy and he looked like he has been attacked, right? Like he's scarred up. He's got blood on him. I'm like, okay, is this man a vampire? My first thought, boom. Is he a vampire? He walks into the church. I'm like, okay, he ain't no vampire. Cause he just walked in by the man. You know, they say, they say just come, but they didn't. Yeah. Nobody told me. Right. But then boom, you get jump scares right there. You know what I'm saying? I was like, whoa. Yeah. Yeah. And so then they said, okay, this is Clarksdale or whatever, Mississippi.

[00:33:33] And we're going to take it back one day. One day. This movie took place in one day. Isn't that crazy? I think that was the wildest part of how much can happen in one, in 24, 24 hours, pretty much. Um, and looking back on it, it's just like, how did all, like how did all of that happen in a, in a day?

[00:34:02] I mean, it just, it felt like a week's worth, a month's worth of events happened in a matter of 24 hours. Like it was, it was, you almost get to the end and you're just like, what? Again, like, what did I just watch? And then you get back to, you get back to that first scene and you're just like, bro, he really went through all of that in a day. Like it just, it just, it just almost, it takes you on such a ride.

[00:34:30] And, oh man, it was so, it was just so good, man. Yeah. It was just so good. Our boy, Sammy, he is the son of a pastor and he wants to pursue music. His dad, of course, is telling him, don't do that. Don't let the trappings of the world, the, uh, you know, um, the sins of the flesh and stuff like that take you away from, you know, God and the church and your religion. You really shouldn't be going out there trying to live that life. But Sammy says, I'm gonna go give it a shot.

[00:34:59] My twin cousins, the Michael B. Jordans are in town. And so he goes and he spends the day with Smoke and Stack play, both played by Michael B. Jordan. And, um, Mari, Smoke is the, uh, more straightforward one, whereas Stack is kind of like the, uh, the more lackadaisical fun one. Is that how they're supposed to be depicted? That's, that's what I, uh, got and I interpreted. And fun fact, that they said that that first, just that first scene of them, uh, uh, switching

[00:35:29] that, that cigarette back and forth, 12 hours to film. Crazy. Really? 12 hours trying to get that perfect. Just that first, that first scene of them on the car. Wow. That's in that cigarette back and forth. Um, but yeah, I, and see, I said them. It was Michael B. Jordan himself. Michael B. Jordan, Michael Jordan. Yeah. Exactly. But exactly. Like, and, and I love how it doesn't immediately, like, you don't immediately kind of, they're,

[00:35:58] they're not like, oh, that's the goofy twin. That's a, you know what I'm saying? It's like their, their personalities unfold as the day progresses. Um, because Smoke is the serious one. He's the protector. He's the stoic one. He's the one who wants things to run as is. Uh, Stack is, like you said, wild. Wild free. He's the one. He's, he's in charge of like the entertainment side while Smoke is in charge of the business side.

[00:36:26] And it, again, I, at first I was like, man, am I just going to be sitting here like thinking this is just Michael B. And like, oh, this is just Michael B. Jordan, like talking to himself, you know? And the smartest thing that they did was like separate them at the beginning. You know what I'm saying? So that by the time they come back at the, the Duke joint, you've already established like separate characters. And so by the time they came back, I was like, yeah, these are just two different, two, two different characters. Like it was done so good. But yeah.

[00:36:56] And they left Mississippi to go off to Chicago and live a life of, uh, being a gangster. You know, they worked for Capone apparently, and they are notorious around these parts. And so, yeah, you get two different vibes. You get Smoke, who is like, you know, like you said, a little bit more, uh, serious. And then Stack, who's a little bit laid back. But both of them seem like they're very scary individuals on the one-on-one, you know, like neither one of them, you don't want to play with either of them separately. Um, you know, Smoke being the older brother kind of makes sense, you know, cause it does

[00:37:26] feel like he takes more like a leadership role in some of these moments, but their goal here is to make a, um, a juke joint. They want to create a nightclub so they can make some money, uh, after being gone for the last seven years. Uh, but they're back and they have money to invest, Lex, throughout the movie. I was trying to figure out what the hell they did to get this money and why they would come back to Mississippi with it. Uh, because for real, it looks like they were thriving. Clearly they got money.

[00:37:55] They're not broke and they can take care of themselves, but something dragged them back home, Lex. Uh, looking back, it might not have been the best idea to come back to Mississippi. Well, they talked about it at the very beginning of the movie, um, with Sammy in the car. They were, you know, he was like, you know, what brought y'all back? And he was like, don't believe everything you, you, you read or everything that you hear about Chicago is all it is. Chicago is the South, but they have tall buildings.

[00:38:24] So they were like, we're coming back to deal with the devil. We know. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean that, I mean, from that standpoint, I was like, if again, that's a historical context. If you didn't understand, if you don't have that, that background, that part would have went over your head. Um, and, and like you said, they were gangsters. So, you know, if you get money with, with Capone, you, you don't, you don't get bread,

[00:38:49] but later you figure out how they really did it and what they were doing. And that's how they would get that money, which was, they were, they, they were robbing. They were stealing from this side of the fence and this side of the fence. And that could have been one of the reasons why they, another reason why they came back to the South to escape, you know, or getting caught up. Cause you know, they, you know, just from all the makings that they did up North, they was like, we don't come back to the South and create shop and, you know, have the juke joint.

[00:39:19] And that's how we can sustain and make our living, um, just to get away from whatever they was escaping from Chicago. Yeah. And sorry, Chappelle, but they, that was after the war. That was after they came back from the great war. So it, again, historical context, you had all of those black GIs and fighters fighting and not just, you know, at this point, they're talking about world war one, but world war two, you know, all of the wars.

[00:39:47] And then you get, you have all of these black folks fighting in these wars, thinking, going to fight for freedom, thinking when they come home, they're going to be treated better. And they get home and they're treated worse over here than they were over there. You know what I'm saying? So it was like, so they come back from fighting. They said they fought in the German trenches to then being gangsters in Chicago, because what other recourse do they have? You know what I'm saying? Like, and I love, I just love, I think we've been watching too much, uh, we've been watching

[00:40:15] too much Tyler Perry and Beyond the Gates that I was like, oh my God, like people slowly unfurling a backstory. What is this? You know what I'm saying? Like, no exposition that's just being yelled at you. What? What is this dialogue? I don't understand. Like, it was so good. You have to pay attention. Like, you really have to pay attention to the dialogue, to the words being said, and for the things not being said, um, to really get all of the pieces of this puzzle.

[00:40:44] Yeah. And also, um, and just, just to piggyback off what you were saying, Mark, as, um, Ryan wrote each character very well. So you not only saw the different characters, but you also saw their, the complexities of their, of their characters as well. So, so it wasn't like you, you know, it wasn't just like a, oh, this is the situation and this is what they got to do.

[00:41:08] Um, you really, you really felt for each one of the different characters and understood the humanity of each one of them. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that's a really good point. Each character kind of came with the backstory and the culture of the, of those, like each person. Right. So of course we get smack, uh, smoke and stack or the twins who you would think have, you know, like they would have the same type of, you know, feel cause they're twins or whatever, but they too are different characters, but they talk about their upbringing.

[00:41:36] You know, how, um, smoke has allegedly, allegedly killed their dad and how they were, you know, abused at different points. And so you get that from them. You obviously from preacher boy, Sammy finds out that he has a bunch of siblings. He's a sharecropper. He's out here picking cotton. Uh, and so it's like, you get a good picture for each of them as we go throughout. Uh, I did think it was cool when they pointed out that, you know, Chicago is nothing but Mississippi, uh, but with tall buildings because.

[00:42:02] You know, history will lead you to believe that Jim Crow not existing in the North is like a thing that like, oh yeah, like you go to the North and now you free and you don't have to deal with anything up there. Right. And so Sammy is coming in. We're like, no, I don't like, yeah. How does it tell me how it feels to live up North where you ain't got to deal with this stuff. And I like, Hey kid, it ain't all that's cracked up to be. You see, we came back. And so, um, I, I really appreciated that they, they go by this juke joint and it's very important. This part is very important.

[00:42:29] And you probably, if you're watching the movie during the movie, you probably forget that this is a thing that happened to them, but they bought the juke joint from a man, uh, uh, Hogswood, I believe his name was. And when they buy it from him, they tell him like, Hey, you and your clan buddies cannot come around here anymore or we will kill you. Okay. And, uh, he clearly is like, what the clan that don't exist. That's not a thing. We find out very quickly that he is lying.

[00:42:57] Not that like, not that we didn't know, but we find out very quickly is nine. Cause we run into a Klansman maybe like 10 minutes later in the movie, you know, it's not long before we see our first Klansman and they will come back later on to be a bigger portion of the movie. But yeah, they have sold this meal to these black folks in the South. And obviously that's not going to go over well. And so we know that tonight is the grand opening. These brothers have to pop off things tonight because pretty soon the white folks are going to come knocking and try to shut this thing down.

[00:43:26] And so we get a montage, a long montage, but I might say, but like, this is basically like them going to assemble the pieces that will help them put this, uh, this juke joint together. They have Sammy who is their cousin who can play the guitar and they brought him a guitar as well that they say, uh, that they have, uh, one off of a guitarist and, um, in a card game. Uh, this is Charlie Patton's guitar he's told. And so Sammy's all in on being a part of the musical act for the juke joint.

[00:43:55] And they then have to go get more. So they go find Delroy Lindo's character, uh, Delta Slim. And I'm telling you at this point, the movie had me Delta Slim shows up. He's playing a harmonica. There's nothing you can tell me. There's nothing you can do. This man can be bought by bottles of, uh, of beer and $40 for one. $40. $40. Squeeze my tight ass up in it. Anyway.

[00:44:22] But yeah, so that said, Mark, when they go in and picking up these pieces, it's like they're assembling the Avengers in a weird way. Right? Like you got this character brings the harmonica. They go get, um, they go get, um, uh, what's her name? And Grace and Grace, uh, can make the sign. And Bo, yeah, Bo has the catfish. And, you know, we, we're learning about, again, we're learning about the culture of those people

[00:44:50] as we're picking them up until they eventually have, oh, and then Cornbread, of course, as the bouncer. Yeah. And so by, by the end of this sequence, we have all the people. We just got to put the pieces together so they can actually run the show. And that's how we meet, you know, um, Wumi Wasaku's character. Uh, but Miss Annie, because somebody got to make the catfish. Mm-hmm. I mean, yeah, somebody got to cook.

[00:45:16] Um, and she, and she just also happens to be a witch. Like, what's him and Andy at the end? Because her, her knowledge set really helped them. Um, I, I mean, just amazing. And then I really like the inclusion of, uh, Bo and Lisa Chow here, which, I mean, they don't say anything about it, but it's kind of like, um, which I would, I would assume for the time

[00:45:43] period, I want to say they would probably more than likely be Chinese immigrants. Yeah, they were Chinese. Yeah. Uh, I wasn't sure if they confirmed that, but, um, just, I knew historically, uh, who own stores, like, in the town that they're at. And it's just like that whole starting that, that, that, that tradition of, um, Asian run

[00:46:09] and operated stores within black neighborhoods and stuff like that. Um, but yeah, it was like every character here, like Lex said, had a story and had a reason to be there. And they all contributed to the opening of Club Juke, which who, who came up with the name? Cause that, that could have been a little better to me, but whatever. Basic. It was basic. Yeah. It was a basic name.

[00:46:35] You know, the, the scene where they go and they get Grace and Bo, I love this scene so much because they do the one shot thing that just has my heart where they follow, uh, Lisa across the street and they never, the camera never breaks from her. You know, it kind of, it pans. So you see the neighborhood kind of as she's walking across you and then it passes it off to Grace and she comes back and I was like, Ooh, do more of that. It's the only scene they do it too.

[00:47:02] It's the only scene where they do the one shot, but I really enjoyed it. Lex, we got to miss Annie. I know you have thoughts. Uh, she clearly has lost a child and we find out that the father of that child is smoke and he has come back to kind of a one to grieve. Uh, but when I saw, you know, the, the grave for the small child, uh, the baby, um, and I saw what she had at the grave, I was like, Oh, okay. We about to get into some hoodoo.

[00:47:33] Yes. Um, I, as soon as I saw the, you know, the, the relics, um, uh, and the sand and you know, the, the, the small handprint on, on the grave, it just, I don't know. I just knew like the, as soon as her, Annie's character showed up, if I would feel very, um, I would feel, I would feel seen, I would feel seen.

[00:47:57] Um, but her character, as soon as she comes in, like you, you see her, you know, educating those, those, those young children and cause they were, they were buying some of the roots from her, um, uh, some of the herbs from her just so that they can get back to their mother. And it just, that even, it's just the, the, the energy that she, as soon as she came on the scene, um, I just, I knew she was going to take over the entire movie.

[00:48:25] Like, I just knew that her, her character was, uh, this was going to be a breakthrough character for her and she was going to be a centerpiece for pretty much how, how the, how the entire crew in later in the movie, how they moved on. Um, but at the, at the same time, it, um, as soon as Smoke comes in and she has like, kind of like a little animosity towards him, like, oh, what you doing here?

[00:48:51] Um, and you get kind of like that little toxicness with, between them or I was just like, oh, this feels very, this feels very, uh, familiar. Uh, cause like we see that, we see that in, in a lot of other, you know, movies and, you know, it's kind of that back and forth that they have with each other. But at the end of the day, she was like, I still, you know, there's still that love that they have between each other. Um, and I felt, I felt like that was even their backstory of, of, you know, why he left

[00:49:19] and when he came back, um, understanding why they, you know, understanding why they still have love for each other, even, even after losing a child. Um, it just, it was just such a, it was just so well written. Um, so yeah, I just, I just loved that entire scene. Um, that introduction of her and their, and their backstory. It was, it was so well written. Mm-hmm. Yeah. You could tell they still had love for each other, which was fun.

[00:49:48] Uh, and of course he needs something for her as well. He needs her to cook. And so, uh, you know, she, she seemed like she's going to be in on this. She seems like, you know, they, they make up very quickly, I would say. Uh, and so we, we, you know, we got action, but another person that we meet in kind of this montage of characters is Haley Steinfeld character here, Mary. Now Mary walks up and she, uh, is a white woman, but you know, it's kind of spicy white.

[00:50:18] It's like something about her ain't all the way white. You know, she's very accepted here in this Mississippi area. And she has a backstory that really overlaps with Smoke and Stats. And she, uh, her, her mom took care of them, you know, when they were, uh, growing up, basically raised them as her own. And so her, she's a part of the community. Mari, what did Tyler Perry say about that lady from that, uh, that one-horse woman? That's her community. Yeah. That's how we are. I'm kidding me. Well, that wasn't Tyler Perry. Was that Lee Daniels? That was Lee Daniels, yeah.

[00:50:48] Lee Daniels. Those lying ass. Same difference. But anyway. Yeah. And she is, uh, she has a tumultuous relationship with Stack here. They clearly used to, you know, that used to be a thing. He told her, get away from me. I'm, I'm, you're too good for me. I don't need you. Blah, blah, blah. And then they kept bumping uglies regardless. And then he ditched her and ran off to Chicago.

[00:51:17] And she waited for him like a dummy. And so now she is not happy. She is mad. Until she married a white man. Yeah. Well, she, she didn't just wait forever. You know, so she married a white man with money. She went to go, uh, live a white woman lifestyle. Uh, and so it seems like he resents her a little bit for that. But Mari, I don't know, man. It's my, my dog toxic. It's a little, there's a, like, a lot of like F boy behavior coming from Stack over there. Oh, yeah. You know?

[00:51:43] And so Mary probably got the short end of the stick in that exchange. She did. And this is one of the parts where I was like, you really cannot tell a movie by the trailer. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because I was sitting here, I was like, wait, so she not a vampire yet? Like, I was really confused. I thought she was going to be changing people. Yeah. I thought she was going to start out a vampire. So I was like, what is she doing here? And I was like, didn't trust her at first. And then I was like, oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. And, and then the turn happens. And it's great.

[00:52:16] Mary, she is, she's one of those people who, she's like, I grew up with black people. She literally did. She literally did. And at one point, you know, it's Sammy who's like, like, what are you? And she's like, my mom's father was half black. And so, and so she, she, she, she got a little bit of, in her, she's an eighth or whatever in her, but she's just so comfortable around black people. And, and like, uh, Annie tells her like your family.

[00:52:44] So seeing, seeing a white woman so comfortable around these men, you know, dating stack and her playing a big part in what happens at the juke joint was, was so interesting. And again, it was, I did not see it coming, even though I thought I knew, I thought I knew what I was in for it. And I did, I still didn't see it coming. It was good. Yeah. And Hailey Stonfeld. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't, I didn't know what was coming. I didn't. But Hailey Stonfeld, you know, her, her real life, the actress, she also has a

[00:53:14] grandfather who was half black as well. So it made sense for her to play this role. And so, and I think she played it well. I think she did. I've seen her in other, in other things, but this felt like she was in her bag a little bit. So I want to give her her flowers. We, we meet another woman, uh, Pearlene. And, uh, Pearlene is a married woman, but she, she kind of looking, she got eyes for,

[00:53:40] uh, she got eyes for, uh, preacher boy, Sammy. And, uh, he got eyes for her, you know, his, uh, his cousin Stack had taught him about, um, the joys of licking ice cream downtown. And so he trying to figure out how Pearlene's ice cream tastes. And so she too will be joining the crew at some point, uh, without her husband knowing, I bet she wish she had stayed faithful to her husband now, um, considering how that worked

[00:54:05] out for her, uh, because had she stayed her house at home, maybe she would, maybe things would have turned out a little bit different. Um, also Cornbread, of course, they go and pick him up while he is doing his sharecropping thing. Now, Cornbread is different. Cornbread, again, I love this actor, but seeing him as well as somebody who he's going to work for them, but he also don't take no crap from Smoke and Stack, right? He's like, y'all might be gangstas, but y'all not going to sit here and disrespect my wife.

[00:54:33] But it was his wife who was like, nah, don't see about that money. You know, it's, it's really a hard time financially for a lot of these people, Lex. Right. Hey, and I get it. Like, as soon as his wife was like, how much? Cause you saw, you saw she, she was about to pop. Like, you need to go get this money so we can get, get out this field. Like, you gotta do what you gotta do. And as soon as she said it, I said, well, well, you better get in that truck. Go get that money. You better go get that truck. Go get that bread. You gotta do what you gotta do.

[00:55:03] So, so. The money part is such a big deal in this movie. And it's like, you, you can't, you can't like ignore it because there are definitely points where Smoke and Stack show up with greenbacks. They show up with paper money. Okay. A lot of people down. Yeah. A lot of these people are not using the same money. We see Miss Annie exchanging funds and she like, I won't even touch your green money. Cause it's that money that you got, you done did some things to get it.

[00:55:30] Then we also see them using wooden nickels at different points. This is just the money that they have. And so it's going to lead to a problem for Smoke and Stack because Smoke is used to making real money. And this ain't going to pay the bills. They have bought this land and all the things on this land. And they're going to have to be able to cover the price of running this juke joint as well. And supplies and employees and all that good stuff. And so eventually they're going to have to figure out how to charge the people.

[00:55:58] But they start off saying, look, we just want people to be welcome at our juke joint. We want the black folks to feel like this is for them. And that stuff makes my little socialist heart smile. Cause you know, I'm always like, well, I mean, does everybody have to make money all the time? Why can't we just have something? Oh, why can't we just do something with our people? You know? So it was very cool that they had that conversation because it's very important. You got to keep the lights on, but at the same time, you got to get rich off of everything you do.

[00:56:27] Can you just enjoy certain things? And so I enjoyed that conversation a lot. Leading us to our opening night, the whole town comes out and the music is bumping. We get, you know, drunk a Delta Slim, okay. On the harmonica. I'm telling you, I could just see my grandpa right now. You know, I just like reading from ear to ear. And then we got Preacher Boy Sammy playing his heart out.

[00:56:56] And while this is happening, we start to see the gift that they were talking about. You know, the gift of making music so true that it can piece the gift of life and death together. Conjuring gifts from the past and the future. And this scene, Mari. Whoa. Oh, my favorite. I love the scene.

[00:57:21] Comma, but the concept of it, I feel like it could have been so corny if it was done poorly. And I think they just killed it. I think it was like, if you, if I don't trust this scene in everybody's hands, you know? Oh, I don't. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. But for some reason, when we get the music of the past, right? We get like the tribal drums, different tribes that we get break dancing. We get jazz.

[00:57:50] We get people out here, crib walking, eventually hip hop. But then you even get the Asian styles as well that were there, you know, because obviously people are represented in the room. You know, we see people doing modern dance. It's just a moment of, it kind of reminds you of that Good Times picture where they're in a juke joint and they're all dancing. But like, sprinkle in different eras at the same time. You know what I'm saying? I love that scene so much.

[00:58:20] I was just kind of sitting in it. I forgot that I was watching a vampire movie for a split second. I don't know what I was watching, but it wasn't a vampire movie. Mari, what did you think about this scene? It was so cool. Just the, not only just the blending of music, but the camera, that was the, another time that the camera work flowed throughout the audience.

[00:58:37] And then interspersed with the people who are dressed in their like 1930s garb, you're seeing, if you're, if, if you're looking closely enough, you, like you said, you can see the people crib walking at the point where they, where the camera glows. And then the camera hides into the kitchen. There's a girl twerking like in the kitchen. And it's, and it's just like, and we can't even, I don't even know if we can explain it again. Everybody who's listened past this part, hopefully has seen the movie already.

[00:59:05] So they know what we're talking about, but trying to describe this scene to somebody who hasn't seen it. I don't know if I could, because it was just so beautiful. The way that the, the music changes, the, seeing the history of our art in our music change, just not from like African-American history. But like you said, the, the tribal dances that were like, I was seeing those tribal, tribal dances.

[00:59:31] And I was like, man, that, that looks like stuff that we're doing right now on TikTok. You know what I'm saying? Like it's just, it was just really good. It was really good. I'm sorry that we keep saying that, but it really was. And I was like, oh my God, I felt transported, you know, just within space and time. And then for it to pull out and, you know, the vampires hear the call. It's just like, wow. It really was just astounding.

[01:00:01] And I like, how do you, who thinks of that? Yeah. Yeah. Lex, what about you? I know you over there, look at you. Your eyes are all back in your head. Stand up. Bro, I, stand up. Stand up. And we can meet, stand up. I can't, I can't even, like Mari was saying, like, I don't even know how to explain that scene, but it just, but from, I knew when that initial line was talked about, about having

[01:00:29] that gift, I knew somewhere in the movie it was going to come back up. And when that scene popped up, I was like, and they said it again, it just, my mind was blown. Um, cause you could see it kind of forming as, um, you know, Sammy's on his guitar and, you know, Delta Slim has started playing a harmonica and everything starts to pan out. Um, it was just, it was just beautifully seen. Like just being able to see, you know, uh, you know, funk, you know, with the funkadelics

[01:00:59] and DJing and, um, you know, the, the, you know, MCs on the mic, uh, just in like, of course the crib walking. I feel like, I feel like, right. It wouldn't have, it wouldn't have been right for Ryan Coogler to not have that in the movie. Cause he is so, he's so Cali. He's so LA. He's so Cali, yes. Yeah. So, I mean, even with the, with the Asian traditional, um, you know, dancing and, and it just was beautifully set.

[01:01:28] Um, and then just having to show them like the building being burned down, like, cause, you know, it kind of, you know, it, you know, like back in the nineties, it's like the roof. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, yeah, like it kind of gave that same kind of vibe. Um, but like it has down one of my favorite scenes in the entire movie, because it was, it was one of those, you can't explain.

[01:01:55] You just, you just had to just embrace the ride going through that scene. And, and like Marcy said, I, I was wondering when the vampire was going to show up. Cause like, it was like the entire mood, like leaving, leaving up to that point. Yes. You just, you just did. You just didn't know when the vampire was actually going to show up. Um, or when that nail was going to drop. Yeah. It's an hour and a half history lesson basically. And then the last 45 minutes is the vampire movie. Right. Right.

[01:02:25] And I have some, I have some history questions too, when it comes to the vampires, because elsewhere, we have seen right before sundown, uh, a man has stumbled onto the land of a Klansman and his wife, a Klanswoman, I will call her. And he, he, he stumbles it. And like I said, it's, it's, it's right before sundown. He asked him to invite them in the house. They bring them in the house. At that point, I'm like, okay, vampire, right? Cause vampires just don't be like barging in people's house like that. You got to get permission.

[01:02:54] So they asked him to come in and he tells them the Choctaw are after me. They're after me. You got to hire me. And I got some money. Could you hire me? So they're like, bet. You know, Klansmen ain't going, they're not going to be happy with the engines coming around as they call them. And so, uh, he goes in the back and when the Choctaws show up, uh, the Klanswoman is holding the gun at their faces. They say, Hey, I know you want to protect this white man, but let me tell you something. If you let him in your house, God bless you. Okay. Uh, good luck.

[01:03:23] And so, yeah. And so they take off. Uh, now he will then go and attack her husband and transform him into a vampire and then attack her and transform her into a vampire. So now we have three vampire slash two vampire Klansmen all in one, and they will wander their way all the way to the juke joint and be outside of club juke watching almost as they, it's kind of like they could see the ancestral stuff happening on the inside and they just couldn't get to it.

[01:03:53] It's like, they're, they're staying outside the wall, but they know it's some powers, powerful niggatry going on there. You know? And so I feel like, yeah, exactly. And they can't even get in. Now my vampire expert. Yes. This vampire showed up to their house in daytime. Okay. He showed up in the daytime. He was burning. His skin was a little seared. Yeah. But one of the things that I would say, I find like the movie did not explain. I'm not saying it's a weakness of the movie.

[01:04:21] It's just something that I would love to have more information on is why are the Choctaw specifically after this vampire in the broad daylight? You know what I'm saying? Like, cause he tells us later on that he went to those people's houses. He knew the Klansmen were going to do this stuff. Remember? He's like, nah, Klansmen, they, they sold you this land, you know, like, uh, they was always going to show up, you know? And they're like, yeah, we were. Did he stumble up to the Klansman house?

[01:04:47] Like, like almost like, and just like it's fortuitous that they had the same goal of like, you know, potentially going to this juke joint. What is it about this interaction that he had with the native Americans that led him here? And I really got to know, like, did they, like, how are they tapped in? To where they know they hunted a vampire cause they knew what was up. Yeah. So, um, you know, uh, native Americans are always there.

[01:05:14] They're always like a step above when it comes to like spiritual, uh, knowing about spiritual, uh, mythology and stuff like that. So it did not, it did not, um, surprise me that they were, they were like, they knew who he was and they, it felt like they were haunting, hunting him. It felt like they were, they were literally hunting him and he was running from them. So he, he, he just stumbled upon that house. Uh, the vampire, he just stumbled upon it. I think he was just running out of the air.

[01:05:43] Like it was almost flying or something. Probably that. Yeah. Cause we, we, we only get, that's kind of the beauty of what Ryan Coogler did as well too. We only got like hints of him, like hinting at flying twice. So this time when he falls out of the air, so he was, so like he was clearly a strong enough vampire and old enough vampire to be able to withstand some sort of sun, like in vampire lore, the older the vampire is.

[01:06:11] Plus normally, um, they do draw energy from the, the children that they make or whatever they want to call them, their progeny that they make. Like when you get to a certain, uh, age and power, sometimes you can withstand the sun to a certain degree. You would, you know, normally they will burn. Eventually they will die. Um, but they, they normally can like probably like come out a little bit in the day. So then he falls.

[01:06:41] I probably, I think he just saw the first house that he could see and he dropped down. But the reason he knew about the juke joint is once he, once he bit them, he absorbed all of their memories and all of their knowledge, which is quite common. Like he, so once he saw that, he was like, Oh, you know, he was like, okay, well, I know what they were going to do today. And then on top of that, Sammy called to him with his music and he was like, okay, so not

[01:07:08] only do I know there's a barn full of victims somewhere who people were planning to attack anyways, but now there's, you know, uh, I don't, I need to figure out what the, I want to call him a siren so bad, but like, you know, there's, you know, somebody who's, who's calling to him, calling to the evil. So it was just, I think he just accidentally found them and it, and it was just like, Oh, these were clans there. And he used it as like, they were going to come and they're going to come and kill you anyway.

[01:07:37] So that I did look now, now they're here. Now they're peaceful. Now they just want to build a community with you. It was, it was really, really interesting, but yeah, those, the Choctaw Indians, they, they knew the deal and they said, yo, the sun's coming down lady. If he in there are, Oh, well, bye. Peace out. Didn't see them again. Like they got out of time. I wonder if the music is the same thing that drew him to them, you know?

[01:08:05] Cause I was trying, I'm trying to figure out how, what, how the vampire came across the Choctaw. And we know that native Americans have their own connection with music the same way that black people have an ancestral connection with music and the Irish as well, you know? And so I wonder if it's something like that Lex, because, um, and Lex, ain't you like, you know, part Cherokee or something, or at least that's what you'd be telling people. Uh, so I, so I wonder if there's something like that, that really brought them to cross paths. Cause they were hunting him.

[01:08:34] It wasn't the other way around. They brought daylight being like, nah, we about to get you, sir. And they didn't look like they had been losing that fight either. They was that they're fully dressed. You know, they look like it was a business trip. Lex, I, I, I'm not a fan of sequels, but I would like to know that side of the story. That's all I'm saying. Like a prequel. But I think, yeah. Uh, and I agree with that, but at the same time, um, like, like Mari was saying, just

[01:09:02] like, just like our ancestors had a connection to the earth, to spirits, um, the native community has that same kind of connection. So in, in the same sense of, um, they know when some energy isn't right, um, you know, they, they still had that same kind of presence. So that's why they were able to, to track him and even track him back to that house. Um, and even warned them and said, God be with you.

[01:09:30] Cause, uh, these, these, that white man is dangerous. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Speaking of fucking hunters. But he's like, yeah, big God be with you. Cause it's above us now. We going, we're leaving, we're leaving. We're going back. We know what, we know what. So, um, at the, at the very, before all of all hell breaks loose, we knew they, they had an understanding of who that being was and who that, what that spirit carried, um, just

[01:10:00] from their in-tuneness of how they are with earth. And plus we know, um, just throughout history before black, black Americans, um, uh, brought our ancestry, brought our deities from, from Africa. They already had that there, um, here in the Americas. So that was, that was the, so I, I just knew, um, that they already had that connection and

[01:10:25] the spirits were already telling them that this, this, this being here, he ain't supposed to be here. So we trying to get him out of here, but if you want to, if you want to invite him to your house, that's your business. We going home. Right. Yeah. And they show up banjos in hand, uh, at the juke joint and they want in. So they try to ask to come in. They try to play their way in. They try to bribe their way in. And then they say, okay, well, you're not going to let us in.

[01:10:52] I'm a walk away really, really slow while y'all think about it. And they do. And while they're doing this, they actually do it. They walk away and then they go wait because, you know, the tide's about to turn a little bit. Um, we're having some money issues, you know, it's coming out there, you know, we're not making a lot of money here at the juke. And so we might need their business. And so we're going to send Mary out there, you know, she white passing, uh, and, uh, mostly white.

[01:11:20] Uh, and so she's going to go out there and talk to them and see if they got any money. And so when she shows up, they hand her some gold coins and they tell her this, these gold coins ain't even going to help you because you're in deep, deep pain. You know, like that, that, this ain't even for you. Uh, she kind of talks about it. They talk about, you know, her grieving, you know, her grieving her mother and things of that nature. But eventually the real, the vampire stuff does start to pop off.

[01:11:49] They pounce and Mary is the first one who has changed. Now, this is very important because Mary has been invited to the cookout. And so it's going to take a lot for them to not invite Mary back into the cookout. Mari, at this point I was kicking, but like, damn, damn it. She's about to get them. There you go. They've been inviting this woman everywhere. They told her she liked family. She grew up with them. She'd been having sex. She was like, oh, the thing. I'm like, just this one time, don't let her ass in.

[01:12:19] Nope. Nope. And I love that. The moment that happened, I was like, oh, they got her. And that was probably, that was probably the only time that I did again, wish that I didn't see her like as a vampire in the trailer. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like that, just for that moment. But you knew eventually she was going to be a vampire coming into that building. Exactly. Exactly. So when she comes back and she's like, hey, come back. You're going to let me in again? I was like, no. I was like, why did she need an invitation?

[01:12:48] Why did she need another invitation? And he's like, oh yeah, come on in. I was like, no. I literally, I was like, I said, well. It's a wrap. And she comes in with a whole different vibe. Her and Stack had been kind of at odds this whole time. She had not been happy to see him. But now all of a sudden, she's telling Stack, hey, what's up? What's up with it? You trying to get down? He's like, ma'am, you belong to someone else. Excuse me? And she's like, well, look, you've been robbing trains and robbing banks.

[01:13:18] You better come rob this. Look at that. I saw that scene in slow motion. I was like, stop. He got him. He got him. I knew it. I knew it. So easy. Men are so easy. I knew at the train station. I knew at the train station. I was like, man, he going to get good. He going to fall. He going to fall. This white woman turned into Trina. She said, get up.

[01:13:48] You know? So she so did. And yeah, this is tough because she is now a vampire. She's having sex with Stack. And it's getting freaky. You know, she's drooling, you know, because she hungry. And he's spitting the drool all in her mouth and all kinds of stuff. Look at Lex. Yeah. Who among us? Yeah. OK, Lex. I was blown.

[01:14:17] That whole scene. I was like, oh, no, this man is wild. This man is wild. Well, there was another love scene where I would say this man was wild. Sammy. Preacher boy Sammy. Harleen ain't took no shower or nothing. Jesus. This woman, she said, her and Sammy decide that they going to go get in. He been trying to get in her all night. She finally give in. OK, they about to go at it.

[01:14:44] And he's about to go try this ice cream thing that his cousin taught him. And she tells him, hey, I walked here in the hot Mississippi Delta ass sun. In the humidity. Right. I haven't even, you know, I would have wore different panties. I would have, you know, like, she's like, really? Like, hey, I would have kept ready. You know what I'm saying? Like, don't think I want to pull up. Don't think I want to pull the pussy out. You know? Like, you know?

[01:15:11] And I'm just like, oh my God. Sammy, don't do it. Sammy goes down there. He's like, I just want to taste you. I was like, no. Oh my God. This man wilder. I know that thing was tart. No. Well, he didn't know that until he got down there. Yeah. And he didn't care. Sammy didn't care. He didn't care. He didn't care. So yeah. Too crazy. Too love saying. They were saying some bars. They were saying some bars in there. I was like, hold on.

[01:15:41] Yeah. I definitely don't recommend. You know? I want to tell you they need to clean up. Let them. Okay? Believe them the first time. Okay? Yes. So when Mary and Stack are having sex, Sammy has to go and get his attention. But he's very busy. And when Smoke and Sammy break into the room to stop Stack from having sex with Mary

[01:16:09] to get back to business, it's clear that Mary is basically eating him. She is like feeding on him and he will be turning into a vampire very soon. They shoot. He lights Mary ass up. Smoke shoots the hell out of her. And she just runs out the house gleefully saying, we gonna kill y'all. And takes off. Now, at this point, Miss Annie, our local herbalist slash hoodoo expert, she knows the game. She's like, nah, we shot that lady and she kept on running.

[01:16:38] We gotta get this. We gotta get this body out the house. But Smoke just lost his twin brother. So he's not having it. He wants to grieve. He wants to sit there. He don't want to take his brother's body out the house. But you can tell Annie's trying to push the urgency of the matter without being, you know, like she trying to be understanding. You know, she's known Smoke and Stack for a very long time. It's she's grieving as well. But she's kind of like, I mean, I don't want to rush you, but we really gotta get this.

[01:17:08] Like, we gotta get this body out of the house. Like, I just there's no reason why we should have been able to shoot that lady and her to, you know, still be able to run around. And it becomes more and more apparent after minutes of people disappearing, going outside, not being able to get back in, that we have ourselves a vampire. So, Mari, this is where our vampire lord comes in. Our vampire rules of being a vampire.

[01:17:36] You cannot come inside without someone inviting you in. So, Stack is locked inside of the room. So, he doesn't need an invitation in. But people like Cornbread, who have gone outside and need to get back in, they have to ask for permission. And at that point, it becomes very clear to Annie, you know, that Cornbread has turned and that we're dealing with vampires specifically. Because she knew it was some demonic stuff happening. But she didn't necessarily know it was vampires until the rules start kicking in.

[01:18:05] So, this is, I'm sure, where you sat up a little bit later in the movie theater. Oh, yeah. This is where I was like, oh, this is amazing. Like, the scenes of them talking to the, like, turned vampires were some of the, like, tense, scary scenes. Like, just no door. She's like, why you need an invitation now, Cornbread? And Cornbread, like, let me just get in. Like, that was... Let me in. Shout out, what was that actor's name again? He was so, like... Omar Miller. Yeah, Omar Miller. Yeah, Omar Miller.

[01:18:34] So good. And he was just, like, so notchalant. Like, all right, I'm going to go in. Like, he got, like, stuck in the voice. I'm going to go. I'm going to go in. Just put on the side and let me in. They're like, nah. Like, Annie was like, why can't you just push us through? Why can't you just... Right, you're a big dude. And he's like, I don't want to be rude now. And he... It was so funny. Like, even his language switched up. It was like that he gentrified his language. It was so good.

[01:19:04] It was so obvious. And he asked me... And then... He tries to take a bite out of smoke. It was just, like... That was such a good, like... Here. Like, they're here. They're here. It's coming. You can't trust anybody type. Type moment.

[01:19:34] So... And Annie caught him. Everybody. Ah, so good. And then after they deal with cornbread, that's when Stack starts beating on the door. And I was like, oh my God. Just so tense. It was all just so tense. Yeah. There's a moment where Cornbread is getting frustrated that Annie won't just invite him in. And he goes like... So he started disrespecting her cooking. He said, with that old fish grease you be using. And she completely broke character and said, now you know my fish grease ain't no one else. Okay. Okay.

[01:20:05] All that vampire shit aside, you're not gonna sit here and lie. Okay. So, yeah. It's clear. We have vampires outside. We have vampires inside. And this is where we kind of get Remick getting to talk about what his goal is. He wants Sammy. I've come this way. I want Sammy. I need that music gift that he's got. The rest of y'all can go. Honestly. But you gotta give me Sammy. And so, of course, they're not down for that. But slowly, they've been picking off people. They've got, you know, they got Bo.

[01:20:35] They got cornbread. And so, more and more, the people are getting drawn outside. You know, they think they just gotta make it to sunrise. They're arming themselves with garlic. They got the wooden stakes. They're pulling out all the stops, Mario. All the vampire protection guides. They're hitting them all. But Remick is also doing what vampires do best. They're trying to convince them to do something that they should not be doing. And that is letting them in.

[01:21:03] And we lead to grace. We gotta stop on grace. Grace. Grace is not having it. She kinda like, this man then went out here and turned to my husband. He done threatened to pull up on my daughter at my house. And we just go sit in here and wait till sun up while they just do whatever. Nah, I say we fight. Lex, I understand her urge to do this.

[01:21:33] But I also was like, well, girl, go. You can go. Cause I'm not, I, you, you, what you're not about to do is invite them inside this building. And she did. She just yelled like, you got my kids coming inside. And I was like, Grace. Grace. Lex. I just, I feel, I feel for Grace because she was such in a panic.

[01:21:57] Like you, like you, like you, you saw how close her and her husband were in earlier in the movie. And like, they were a team. They were a team. They were, they did everything together. They owned a, they owned two businesses across the street from each other. They did all of that together as a unit. And, you know, they, and they have their daughter who's their, you know, their, their pride and joy.

[01:22:22] So I, even though I hate it, I hated that she did what she did, but I understood it. Like, um, if, you know, when you put your parent head on, like you understand it. Cause you know, like she, she was that her daughter was all she had left at that point. And, and I read, she was like, I'd rather die. And, and, and we see she ends, she does end up doing that, um, you know, and taking one, taking one of the vampires out with her.

[01:22:51] Then, you know, then, you know, her daughter being taken away from her too, like her husband. So I get it, but it's just when in those moments you're in such a panic and you're, you're thinking of all those different scenarios. I understood why she did what she did that I hate it. Yes. Um, but I understood, I understood it. And it, it, and honestly, what was the other way that they were, they were, you were just going to break the seal for every, all hell to break loose.

[01:23:21] Like other than that, like they would have just been playing. And they just would have been sitting there until, until the sign up came up, you know, but who knows, like who knows how much damage the herd would have done if she had not did what she did. Because as y'all can see, as soon as, as soon as they broke the doors down, the herd had grown five, six times with people by the time, you know, that they broke down the door.

[01:23:49] So in a sense, she kind of saved the town. Uh, no. No. I mean, no. Right. No, but it just sucks because Annie had the realization too late about the vampires. She said, we need to, she said, we need to keep everybody inside and then put a stack outside. But by the time she had said that they had already told everybody to leave and go home.

[01:24:14] And, and so when, when, um, Remick pops back up during that Irish Riverdance circle and it's all these people, it's the people from the club who left that they got. And like we said, including Bo, which leads Grace to do this. So I don't understand it, but I, I do get it because like, like I said, it's like, okay, so we're going to stay here. We're going to wait, wait till sunup. But then what happens the next night?

[01:24:43] And I know that, you know what I'm saying? What, what happened? Are you going to live in fear the whole time? So it's just like, no, let's get it over and done with now. I mean, but could we have like maybe invited one day at a time and dealt with them? Then we don't jump the one who comes to the door. Like Mary, you can come back. And then like, yeah. So we get the big fight, obviously. And eventually it leads to several little fights, you know, but we're watching people

[01:25:13] get picked off. We see that we end up getting Smoke and Stack having their final standoff. They're fighting each other. Stack is trying to turn his brother. Smoke is trying not to kill Stack, you know, because I think at some point he could have killed him, you know, but there were just moments where they're fighting and you, you hate to see it because you know that they're, they're brothers and they're twin brothers at that. He says, the best thing about me is Stack, you know, and now he's gone.

[01:25:40] And so Stack's trying his, his damnedest even to get his brother on board with being a vampire. Like we could be together forever. You know what I'm saying? Like you don't got to, you know, it don't have to be like this. Just let me bite you basically. And so they're fighting for their lives while Sammy has made it outside and he is fighting with Remic. And this scene is incredible to me.

[01:26:02] Sammy is basically getting baptized by the head vampire in charge as he's telling stories about, you know, colonialism as far as like colonization when it comes to like religion and how that affects the Irish as well and how his goal is to get this music, you know, skill from, uh, from Sammy to, to be able to hone that for himself.

[01:26:26] And so while smoke is inside getting the better of Stack, uh, we also see that Sammy is outside about to basically lose to, uh, to this big vampire. Marty, big vampire guy is super strong. Okay. They hit him with the silver. I believe at some point, uh, he gets stabbed with the stake. Uh, he's been shot a billion times and they threw some holy water in his face at one point. Then the sun came up. Yeah. Yeah. The garlic water in his face.

[01:26:56] Then the sun came up. It took all of that to finally take down Remic. Um, so this is like, as you would say, like, this is like one of those old strong ass vampires with a lot of kids probably. Yeah. Yeah. This is really strong. This is one of those vampires where you would remove his, you would remove his head. You would stake his heart and you would possibly remove the heart and you would burn both the head and the heart and bury them separate places.

[01:27:23] Like that's how, like, sometimes you have to take care of really big, powerful vampires and make sure they never come back again. Again, it's like full, like disposal of body parts. Check out, uh, uh, any, the Van Helsing books, inspired books. They'll tell you about a lot about that. Um, so yeah, he, he, he really was no joke.

[01:27:46] He was, he was, uh, uh, probably, uh, um, uh, sort of saying, uh, the, uh, the, the source of a bloodline, which is, which is why when he was hurt, everybody else would feel hurt. I love how they mentioned like, uh, smoke at one point said, well, if we kill the guy who turned him, you know, will he turn back? And he was like, no, it doesn't work like that. That's definitely a nod to like werewolf culture because, um, normally in a werewolf culture,

[01:28:16] lycanthrope culture, that, that can be a possibility depending on who's writing it. If you kill the, the, the werewolf that turned you, sometimes you can turn back type thing. I thought that was pretty cool. Yeah. Um, so because, because lycanthropes, when you, when, when you become a werewolf or a lycanthrope, you, you technically don't die.

[01:28:40] So, you know, it's a little wiggle room there with, with that type of lore, like skinwalkers type thing. Um, so, uh, he, he, he was a big evil, big, big evil. And that whole end was, yeah, that was crazy. I was like, dog. And Sammy would not have survived if it wasn't so close to, to some, to some rise. Yeah. Oh, Lex, what did you think about the religious commentary here?

[01:29:09] Because, uh, he basically like religion did this to me, you know? And he's saying like, Sammy's big draw is, you know, he wants to go do music. But the first thing we see is his dad telling him, no, that's not, you know, that's not going to save your soul. You know, religion is what you need, but religion has been used for centuries to, uh, as a, as a means of colonizing and, uh, uh, you know, kind of like pillaging communities.

[01:29:36] And, you know, there's so many different, uh, countries and civilizations that have just been slaughtered in the name of Christianity alone, you know? So what'd you think about that while Sammy is being baptized? Well, to also, you know, Remick being Irish, that is, that is a Catholic nation. That is a Catholic country, uh, or by origin, they, they were Catholic.

[01:30:00] So of course they, they know about religion and Christianity, but even when Sammy is, even still, when he wants to pursue music, his foundation is his, his relationship with God. And he's saying the Lord's prayer. And then Remick is saying it with them as, as well as the herd, uh, that scene kind of put chills in my body, but it also talks about is like you said earlier, you know, from a,

[01:30:29] you know, biblical standpoint, just like the devil knew the Bible, knew, knew all the ins and outs of the Bible, just like, just like any, you know, Christian would. And we use that to weaponize against you, um, or turn you against, you know, the good to join the evil. Um, so I, I felt like that was, that scene was, is so many different layers. Again, another deep layered kind of response to, um, history, uh, not only the, the, the

[01:30:59] only from, you know, what his dad and the teachings that his dad were trying to teach him, um, to get away from that evil life that, you know, that he was trying to stray him away from. But even still, when he was trying to call for help, it was, it was almost cynical in a sense, like, you know, like, no, he's, he, he's not here to save you, but the Lord is always there when, when you need him. You know, a person will always come.

[01:31:26] You don't call him, but he's going to be there when you need him. And, and, and smoke coming in that last second, cause I was like, I don't know, I don't know what is about to happen. And smoke comes with that state at a, at that last second when he's, you know, about to turn him. Oh man, it was, it was, it was, it was poetic at that, at that point. Um, just a miracle that Sammy, uh, and he realizes that after, you know, in that, in

[01:31:53] that exact moment, um, to see in that sun coming up and, and Remic burning. Uh, but like you said, it took so many different factors for Remic to be brought down because, you know, just like in many, um, in many of the, the vampire lore, a lot of it is the, that old, the old gods kind of lore coming from Europe.

[01:32:18] Um, and they're coming over to America, bringing those old guys to America to, um, increase their flock to, uh, what's the word I'm looking for? To, to, uh, continue their worthiness. Huh? What was that? Propagate? Propagate. Yes. And then also like just to keep their, their spirit alive from what they were bringing from the old world to the new world. Yeah. Yeah.

[01:32:47] It was, it was a crazy scene. Um, I loved it. I did. Um, and it's like a pseudo ending to the movie, right? Cause if this is just a vampire movie, the movie ends right there. Uh, but this is not just a vampire movie. Um, the next day we have, or this day, same day exists, I guess once the sun is up, uh, smoke has some unfinished business because he wants total hogwood, the man who sold him this meal that if I ever saw you or any of your clansmen on my land, I'm going to kill them where they stand.

[01:33:17] And, um, one thing that they did not unload from the truck was this trunk that they had with some heavy artillery. This man got guns. He's got grenades. He's got all the things because he knew that at one point or another, he might have to deal with the clan. And so, um, would have been nice to have this during the vampire fight, but because he didn't, he now gets to use it on the clansmen. And so when they show up to, you know, kind of like, you know, vandalize or, you know,

[01:33:44] take over the property that they had just sold to him, he's waiting for them. He's waiting for them with all the guns, the grenades, and he goes out in a blaze of glory, kind of, uh, taking them down. And so, uh, you know, we get a big departure from who he was at the beginning of the movie. We see him and Michael, uh, the, and other Michael B. Jordan, the Michael B. Jordan's sharing that cigarette, you know, almost like a completely in sync. Marty said it took 12 hours to film it by the end. He can't even roll a cigarette without shaking because he's seen so much.

[01:34:14] And so, uh, he will eventually kill a bunch of the clansmen. He gets all of them. Um, but they do get a shot off and he is killed. Uh, Sammy takes us back to the beginning of the movie where he shows up at his dad's, uh, church. And it looks like all he has left is just the remains of that guitar. Uh, you know, we saw parts of the guitar lodged in that man's head and Remick's head. Uh, but all he has left is just a little bit of guitar, but he refuses to let it go.

[01:34:41] He was once told that it was a, uh, a very famous guitar, but now he knows that this is not Patton's guitar. This is the, the evil guitar. I guess I would say of his cousin's father, you know, everybody throughout the movie kept saying they have an evil dad and guess what? He's not going to let go of this guitar at all. He does not stay at the church. He does not repent. He does not say, okay, I'm going to give up my life with music. He actually leaves with the guitar and we will follow him to the nineties where he is currently

[01:35:09] a, uh, or at that time, a musician, a, a very famous musician. He still has the scar on his face from the fight. Um, and he talks about how he still wakes up paralyzed in fear because of that night. And then we get the entrance of nineties, Michael B. Jordan and nineties, Mary showing up looking like, uh, uh, in living color.

[01:35:34] And when they do, we find out that they have followed his career this entire time. Stack never died at the hands of smoke. He, uh, smoke promised him, well, told him, uh, that he would let him live as long as he promised not to go and turn Sammy into a vampire and to let Sammy just live out his life. And so now Sammy's finding out for the first time that he's been on borrowed time this whole time, you know, the vampires have been watching him.

[01:35:59] He could have been dead at any point, but they're basically allowing him to die a normal death. And as we know, he's getting old. And so that time might be coming. And so we really get this crazy ending that I didn't just, I just didn't see it coming where, you know, he's able to kind of flip that, uh, that guitar and that moment, that day, he calls it the best day of his life until the sun went down and he's not wrong. You know, that day changed the trajectory of his life in the craziest ways.

[01:36:28] He's seen the most, uh, like awful things, but it also led him down this path of being this famous musician and living the life that he wanted to live. And so, uh, as the credits are going off, we will also get a scene where we see little Sammy playing this little light of mine. And, um, yeah, that's the movie. Um, crazy shit, man. It's a crazy stuff, dog. Uh, what do you say? What do you know? What are you going to do? Mari? Yes. That's it.

[01:36:58] That's it. Yeah. And it was just, again, uh, hands down, just so entertaining, so nuanced, so original. Like we didn't even talk about the, like the sharecropping aspect of it. Like I want to know how many people walked into that, that theater and didn't know about how close sharecropping is to our generation.

[01:37:23] Like they, they show, they show Sammy sharecropping and picking cotton in 1932. And he's still alive playing blues in 1992. Like, I don't know if people realize how close we still are to Jim Crow and sharecropping. So, I mean, just an experience. It truly was an experience. Ryan Coogler talks about also, um, filming it on IMAX, filming it specifically for IMAX.

[01:37:50] So seeing IMAX is supposed to like make it better. We saw it in like laser. I don't know the differences. We just went to a time that worked for us. Um, I sat in a little vibrating chair, you know, the one that do the movement, whatever, like, uh, the shooting. Oh, you mean like a fun D? Like a fun D? No, they call it like, it's, it's like, uh, God dang it. What is the thing called? But yeah, it's like, it's like IMAX, but they got, they also got like a little chair. Yeah, it's, I'm gonna look it up. That's crazy. That's too much.

[01:38:21] Yeah. But anyway. Yeah. Yeah. That thing. I was in that thing. So when he was shooting, it was like, you know, so that was kind of cool. That's funny. Interesting. I've never been to one of those theaters. I, it's not a theater. It's the, the theater had a rec, it was a regular IMAX, but they had the chairs that you could like certain seats had that. And so I paid my little extra, my little extra five, six dollars. So I get one of the chairs and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. He got money. What?

[01:38:50] You know, y'all, I live in a rural town. This shit cost me $13. Y'all, y'all, y'all movie theaters and y'all big ass cities cost 50, 30, 50, $60 for a bag of popcorn. We, we bring our stuff from home. We got B-Y-O-F here. Okay. My little, my little, my little $13 ticket wasn't nothing. But yeah, Mari, I saw, I saw that, you know, people were saying you got to go see it in IMAX. And so I made a point of doing that. You're completely correct.

[01:39:20] I did see some criticism about this movie. People were saying it's not exactly original and that it's kind of, it's kind of like from, from dusk till dawn. Yeah. Uh, and to that, I'd say, then that means it's like the faculty as well, because that's basically from dusk till dawn. And to that, I'd say it's, uh, like, uh, what is it? I saw on precinct 13, which is, which is what a different dusk till dawn basically is with vampires. So like, come on, come on y'all.

[01:39:47] It's not, people get, people get inspiration from movies all the time. Stop playing. Exactly. And, and Ryan Coogler said that he was inspired by the faculty by, from dusk till dawn. Oh, faculty is so freaking good. Um, but like I said, this is, this is like the, the seven samurai, seven Ronin style narrative. You have seven heroes that have to do something. That's, that's the basis of a lot of spaghetti Western.

[01:40:12] So like the concepts or, or the formatting and the structure of the, the movie isn't new, but the, the, the structure of the formatting isn't new. The concepts are the concept, the, um, the, uh, the story of the history and all that, that, that is, that is new y'all. Calm down. Like, calm down. Calm down.

[01:40:39] Lex, any last thoughts about this movie? I know like we kind of breezed through it, but you know, I only saw it once. So y'all have to forgive me if I missed any of the finer points. Exactly. One, one last thing I wanted to talk about is, you know, when smoke was dying, um, and he sees Annie and their child, um, cause even early on in the movie, um, early in the movie,

[01:41:04] Annie talks about, you know, he, she, she, because she has that connection to the other side of the world. She still, she knows that their son is waiting on them. Um, and that there will be reconnected again. I felt like that scene was just, was shot, just, just shot beautifully. Um, and it was a good way to wrap up smoke story.

[01:41:24] Um, after, after he went in there on his, on his, uh, uh, um, uh, Tony Montana on his, Tony Montana stuff, you know, but. Which was crazy cause we were like, oh, they just dealt with vampires and he still got to deal with the clan. Like. Uh huh. You can't wait for losing y'all. Hey God, can't we just, can this man rest? Yeah. The Annie stuff was interesting. She told him, Hey, I promised me one thing.

[01:41:54] You ain't going to let me go out like stack. I don't want to be a vampire. You kill me. You kill me. And it's crazy because when, when he kills Mary, the vampires didn't even want that to happen. They were preparing for her to be in the afterlife with them. Like as this like undead, you know, when, when he stabs Annie, you look up and Mary is the one like, no, you know, like it's crazy to me that they had already started to build like an idea for what their life was going to be as they all lived undead, you know, and

[01:42:23] stalked the earth for the rest of their lives. And it was not about that. Like she was like, I'm going home. And so, uh, she was out. I thought it was amazing. Uh, you know, like I said, no notes. I do want the backstory about how this Irish man found himself with them Choctaw people because, uh, I just feel like there's so much cool stuff you could talk about, which led them to chasing him basically out of town. Like they, they were not running from him. It was the other way around, but overall, you know, like I said, we have to enjoy nice

[01:42:50] things when we get them and we don't always get them. And so, uh, thank you to Ryan Coogler and, um, in a weird way, thank you Kendrick Lamar because I just feel like they're the same person. And so, uh, yeah, thank you to both of them. Uh, Kendrick Lamar with, uh, with a, with a camcorder. Uh, but yeah, thank you to both of them for, uh, for, for this amazing movie. Michael B. Jordan, outstanding, playing two different roles in one, uh, and not making me be like, what? Okay.

[01:43:18] You know, like I, I believed it and I really enjoyed it. So let us know in the comments, if there's anything we missed that you really think we should talk about or anything like that, or what you thought about the movie, or if you enjoyed it or whatever. And if you didn't go see the movie, why did you listen to me talk about it? And so, uh, thank you all for being here and make sure you subscribe to Recap Kickback for more movie reviews like this. Lex, thank you for joining me, brother. Hey, thank you for having me. Uh, I'd love to come back anytime. Yeah.

[01:43:45] I'm not going to have you back anytime, but it was nice to have you this time. Oh, shit. Damn. Roll the mic back, Lex. Don't worry about it. Thank you. Ugh. I always go behind my back. I knew those good people. It's that heathen over there. Exactly. That's the center. Okay. That's the center. Yes. All right. Okay. Well, Lex, thank you so much again. We will, we will talk again soon, I'm sure.

[01:44:13] And then, uh, Mari, what you got going on in your world? What you working on these days? Woo. Around Crime Scene, me and Sarah Carradine, um, are talking all things true crime. You can go to crimescinepod.com, uh, in order to subscribe. Uh, but we just talked about, what did I just, I was just telling you, oh, Kid Fluencing. Um, uh, Bad Influence, The Dark Side of Kid Fluencing. It is a three-part docuseries on Netflix.

[01:44:40] Uh, we were joined by the amazing TikTok Nicole to finally close out, hopefully, our Influencers Gone Bad, uh, series that we've been, like, kind of working on since the beginning of the year. Um, I, I have learned so many shocking things about influencers in the past month, specifically family vlogging and kid influencers, and I, I wish I knew less, to be quite honest. Definitely go over there and check that out. We, we have so much fun.

[01:45:10] You can also, um, uh, follow us on Blue Sky at Crime Scene Pod on Blue Sky. I type in Crime Scene, uh, wherever, that crime, S-E-E-N, wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah. Um, yeah, that's it for me. Yeah, and as far as I'm going, uh, Mari did just talk about WrestleMania here on Recap Kickback, so if you want to go see her reactions, she'll be having, uh, Odie and Moe on again soon

[01:45:36] to talk about more wrestling, so keep up with all the stuff on the Wrestling Kickback, and of course, you can keep up with all the stuff I'm doing here on Recap Kickback. Santel and I popped the balloon. We had, uh, we talked about episode two of Netflix's Pop the Balloon Live. Uh, we're having a good time, you know, two, two, two old people just, uh, vibing and, and complaining about 25-year-olds and their dating preferences, I guess. I don't know. Um, so check that out. That should be out this week. Gia and I talked about the, uh, episodes 20 and 21 of Abbott Elementary, and we will

[01:46:05] be bringing the finale coverage for that next week as well, so tune in. We've got a lot of Recap Kickback content coming your way. Um, and then, of course, you can catch me on my other podcast, Nothing But Netflix. We're talking about Netflix shows. Uh, we recently, uh, interviewed the two of the standout stars from A Million Dollar Secret, Sam and Sydney, so you can catch that interview on the Nothing But Netflix podcast. We have, uh, Battle Camp coverage coming soon. Kirsten, McInnis, and I are going to be talking about that.

[01:46:32] And then, uh, we'll be having to look forward to see what else is coming on the Nothing But Netflix podcast, so check that out. And make sure you subscribe to recapkickback.com wherever you can. Recapkickback.com slash subscribe will take you to the subscribe button. Or here on our YouTube channel, youtube.com slash at recapkickback. But that's it for these two sinners and myself. You ain't gotta go home, but you gotta get the hell out of here. I'll talk to y'all next week. Peace. We zijn Teresa und Nemo.

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