Summer House: Martha's Vineyard Season 2 Episodes 7 & 8 Recap

[00:00:00] Welcome back to Recap Kickback where we are talking about Summerhouse Martha's Vineyard

[00:00:21] Season 2.

[00:00:22] It's me, your host Chappelle and I am very excited to talk about Episode 7, Flamingos

[00:00:27] on the Buff and Episode 8, which I don't even remember what it was called honestly.

[00:00:33] But here we are, Episode 8 of Summerhouse Martha's Vineyard are in the books and the

[00:00:39] finale has actually already been aired but we're just a little behind schedule on getting

[00:00:43] this podcast out.

[00:00:44] So without further ado, I'm going to welcome in my co-host, the person who's been taking

[00:00:49] me through my Summerhouse journey.

[00:00:51] It's Sasha.

[00:00:52] Sasha, what's up?

[00:00:53] Oh, so excited.

[00:00:54] We're back.

[00:00:56] Okay, I feel like these last two episodes are killing it.

[00:00:59] We are so back.

[00:01:01] This is Martha's house and Martha's, Martha's house.

[00:01:04] This is Summerhouse Martha's Vineyard.

[00:01:08] This is why I'm here.

[00:01:09] I can't wait.

[00:01:10] I have so many feelings about Natalie.

[00:01:13] Yeah.

[00:01:14] Oh yeah, we could talk about it because Season 2 Episode 8 is called Gossip Girls and yeah,

[00:01:19] how could I forget with Natalie being pretty much the star of all the conversations surrounding

[00:01:25] Martha's Vineyard.

[00:01:26] And so there's no need for us to go in order.

[00:01:29] We're going to get right to the main subject here.

[00:01:33] This conversation between Natalie and Nick has been everything I've seen on social media.

[00:01:39] I hadn't even watched the episode yet and I knew something crazy went down and I want

[00:01:43] to talk about it.

[00:01:44] In the past, we've seen people bring it to Nick's attention that he's a little handsy.

[00:01:49] He gets a little flirty and he went and addressed it.

[00:01:54] I believe he talked to Jordan and who else did he talk to specifically?

[00:01:59] It was Jordan and Summer.

[00:02:00] Jordan and Summer, right.

[00:02:01] And he went directly to them and they said, hey, yeah, you do do a little too much and

[00:02:05] he apologized and it looked like he had made changes for the better.

[00:02:09] But in this episode, we see the emergence of Amir's girlfriend, Natalie, who was not

[00:02:14] present for season one but has been, you know, her presence has been felt throughout this

[00:02:19] entire season because Amir just won't stop talking about her.

[00:02:23] So when she gets on the show, the first couple episodes, she really didn't have a big presence.

[00:02:28] You know, she was more like, it seemed like she was dragging Amir away from a lot of the

[00:02:32] drama and they were kind of in their own little bubble.

[00:02:36] When she finally steps out of the bubble in this episode, Sasha, man, she steps out and

[00:02:42] she decides to take it upon herself to let Nick's girlfriend, Tasia, know that Nick has

[00:02:48] been a little handsy with some of the other women in the past and that she doesn't want

[00:02:53] her blindsided by watching it on television.

[00:02:55] Sasha, what do you make of all of this?

[00:02:57] I have so many feelings.

[00:02:59] OK, can I just say, so I was trying to, you know, like hold on and watch it all together.

[00:03:04] All right.

[00:03:06] I didn't watch it right as it aired either of the two episodes.

[00:03:09] And then I get a text from our bestie, Bryce.

[00:03:13] And this is while the episode's airing.

[00:03:15] Mind you, I have not watched it, but I don't care.

[00:03:18] And all he texts me is Natalie.

[00:03:20] So that made you like, you have to go see.

[00:03:25] Yeah, you have to go see.

[00:03:28] But it's just it's so ridiculous.

[00:03:29] Right.

[00:03:30] I have so many feelings and I want to first like address, right?

[00:03:33] I'm I feel like I understand Natalie's position as a like outsider that like is experiencing

[00:03:41] and watching black culture.

[00:03:42] Right. And like that might be part of it in some way, in that like you might be friends

[00:03:48] with someone you're dating.

[00:03:49] It doesn't matter.

[00:03:50] I have been there.

[00:03:51] But why can't plus ones act like plus ones?

[00:03:55] That's my problem.

[00:03:56] That part.

[00:03:57] Yeah.

[00:03:58] And same with Simon, right?

[00:03:59] Like, yeah.

[00:04:00] OK, so and this is like my real pet peeve.

[00:04:03] Like I've had to explain this to my husband, too.

[00:04:05] It's like you the plus one.

[00:04:07] You not right.

[00:04:08] This is not your function.

[00:04:09] You are literally my arm candy for this.

[00:04:11] Exactly. And it makes sense.

[00:04:13] Like he's an only child.

[00:04:14] I'm an only child.

[00:04:16] Clowns. But either way, it's just I think that that's number one.

[00:04:20] Secondly, I do believe that maybe implicit, maybe explicit.

[00:04:25] I don't know. But there is weird biases that she has against specifically the women.

[00:04:32] And I feel like she picked a mirror today, even though he's he is black.

[00:04:36] And he told a season one, hey, I'm still like learning about my identity,

[00:04:41] what that means for me, blah, blah, blah.

[00:04:42] So to me, it feels like he's she was almost like this is OK.

[00:04:46] His blackness is conditional almost.

[00:04:49] And then third, this is clout because we know this.

[00:04:53] And I don't know if we should talk about it right now, but let's do it

[00:04:55] because I can't I can't hold it in because I'm so angry.

[00:04:58] Um, Amir has gone on a podcast or some interview and has straight up said

[00:05:04] he will not come back if Natalie is in a full time cast member.

[00:05:08] Full time? Yeah.

[00:05:10] Like from the beginning to end.

[00:05:11] I thought I sent you. Yes.

[00:05:13] No, I saw the clip where he was talking.

[00:05:15] But for some reason, when he said full time, I guess the white noise kicked in.

[00:05:19] Because in my mind, what world would viewership benefit

[00:05:25] from Natalie coming back full time?

[00:05:27] Which is messy, but like, oh yeah, it's it's very messy.

[00:05:31] For one, it is very messy.

[00:05:32] I can see people tuning in for that.

[00:05:34] But on the flip side, Amir, when Natalie's involved, you don't do much.

[00:05:38] You really just kind of get into this little bubble of like, oh, well,

[00:05:41] this is my girlfriend. We're going to go in here.

[00:05:44] We're going to do this.

[00:05:44] She she has done a really good job of making you hella boring, you know.

[00:05:48] And you and I talked about this before, Sasha.

[00:05:52] You need more single people in the house.

[00:05:53] We we are coming here to watch the single people mingle.

[00:05:56] And it's not a personal attack on either of them.

[00:05:59] This is you're not bringing good television.

[00:06:01] And when you did, I don't think anybody was fond of the television

[00:06:05] that you did bring, because I don't know if anybody's sitting at home

[00:06:08] watching this interaction between Natalie and Tasia

[00:06:11] and then the subsequent interaction between Nick and Tasia.

[00:06:14] I'm sorry, Nick and Natalie.

[00:06:15] And thinking, oh yeah, well, Natalie was 100 percent right in this one.

[00:06:18] It really felt like she should have stayed in her lane.

[00:06:21] And Amir, are you? Yeah.

[00:06:25] Why? Yeah. OK, you're right. We got a lot of thoughts.

[00:06:28] I didn't know I was going to have this many thoughts

[00:06:30] until we're talking about it.

[00:06:31] There were definitely moments where I thought Amir should be shutting this down.

[00:06:34] Like you should say, thank you, babe.

[00:06:37] You weren't here.

[00:06:38] So maybe it's not for you to talk about because you weren't here.

[00:06:42] And I think that immediately that just that calms all this,

[00:06:45] that calms all of this.

[00:06:47] You know, if this is on television, the Tasia will see soon enough

[00:06:50] all the things Nick has done or said or whatever.

[00:06:53] And it doesn't need Natalie to be the one to go do it.

[00:06:57] But I think Nick just I'm sorry, Amir just sees the best in her

[00:07:00] to where he couldn't see how messy this could be,

[00:07:04] how this could come off.

[00:07:05] He was just like, oh, well, if she wants to do it, then obviously she's

[00:07:09] it's coming from a good place.

[00:07:11] It's not messy. She wants to help.

[00:07:13] Thinking there's no way you saw this and thought that this was not going to be messy.

[00:07:17] This is very messy, Sasha.

[00:07:19] Yeah, I here's the thing there.

[00:07:22] You know, people always, I think, shame girls, right?

[00:07:25] Like, oh, when you get in a relationship like you're you know, you changed.

[00:07:31] This is it. This is him.

[00:07:33] And I think about he is so worshipy of her.

[00:07:37] And he's so like, oh, my God, the best person I've ever dated.

[00:07:41] Right. Like could never be anyone better.

[00:07:44] Like this is it. I've peaked, blah, blah, blah.

[00:07:47] So I think anything she does, he's like, it's gold.

[00:07:51] It's amazing.

[00:07:52] And then the way when Nick was mad and yelling at people, he goes,

[00:07:58] oh, I'm just glad he's not yelling at Natalie, because then otherwise

[00:08:02] I would have had to jump in and bubble because you're not going to talk

[00:08:05] to my girl like that. Shut up.

[00:08:07] You have no energy for men.

[00:08:09] You only have your lip service for the women like him and Mariah.

[00:08:14] And it's just he's such a loser that he this in this moment.

[00:08:20] Like, I like Amir as a person, but I just feel like this is such a loser

[00:08:24] behavior that he's like, as long as my girl's good, I don't care.

[00:08:27] I don't care. And it's like, no, she started it.

[00:08:30] She's got all the camera.

[00:08:31] It was panning to her every moment and she's just like deer in headlights.

[00:08:35] But that's why I was like, it's giving cloud.

[00:08:37] It's giving look what I can do.

[00:08:40] You need me on the show.

[00:08:42] Trying to get that peach.

[00:08:43] That's yeah, that's all I can think of because this is not normal.

[00:08:48] Who just comes in and just be like, OK, great.

[00:08:52] So now you guys have told me the tea and I'm going to go share it.

[00:08:56] Let me go share it.

[00:08:58] I they kept saying on the show that Tasia and Natalie are friends,

[00:09:02] I guess, outside of this whole summer house thing.

[00:09:05] I'm assuming that's how Nick met her.

[00:09:08] I'm sorry. Amir met her, you know, or whatever.

[00:09:10] I'm assuming that they met as like friends of whoever was dating at the time.

[00:09:15] Nick and Tasia probably introduced them or whatever the case may be.

[00:09:19] But Natalie coming in at this point and completely stirring the pot.

[00:09:25] But under the guise of I'm trying to help my friend,

[00:09:28] it just didn't feel like that was authentic.

[00:09:30] It felt very fake, like like she wanted to start a pipe

[00:09:34] and then she justified it by saying that's my friend.

[00:09:36] Because when she comes to Tasia, if y'all are friends outside all of this,

[00:09:40] then that means y'all are closer than everybody else,

[00:09:43] because nobody seemingly is a friend of Tasia except for Nick and Natalie.

[00:09:48] Those are the two people who are so weird to her.

[00:09:51] Right. They're not talking to her that much.

[00:09:53] So when Natalie comes around the table all the way to the other end, it says

[00:09:58] I need to talk to you.

[00:09:59] Yeah. First, she's like miming it.

[00:10:02] Yeah. And then Tasia's like, I'm leaving.

[00:10:05] Right. She did not.

[00:10:07] She didn't want to know.

[00:10:08] She knew it was about to be some mess.

[00:10:10] Sasha, you and I are friends.

[00:10:12] If you come around the table like, Chappelle, I got to tell you something.

[00:10:14] That light bulb goes off.

[00:10:15] That's my friend, Sasha.

[00:10:17] All the other stuff is outside of whatever.

[00:10:19] This is me and you. You know what I'm saying?

[00:10:21] So I instantly know you got me.

[00:10:24] And this has happened.

[00:10:25] This has happened where we just have immediately actually left conversations,

[00:10:29] like I think in mid-sentence.

[00:10:31] Right. Like, OK, well, something very important because you're my friend.

[00:10:34] But Tasia's like, no, don't tell me I'm leaving in a few.

[00:10:37] You know, that's not so that's not the energy you have for like

[00:10:40] the person who got your back.

[00:10:41] You know, the person who got your back, you know that if they doing this

[00:10:44] in the middle of brunch while everybody's having a conversation, it's important.

[00:10:47] Stop it. Stop everything.

[00:10:49] You know, stop the presses.

[00:10:50] But she also had that conversation on camera.

[00:10:53] We see a lot of text messages sent, a lot of text messages sent.

[00:10:56] Even afterwards, we see Nick texting Natalie and being like, what was that about?

[00:11:02] Natalie, you could have text your friend and said, hey, I think you should know

[00:11:06] that I think something's going on, maybe talk to Nick about it.

[00:11:08] But she wanted to be the one to deliver that news.

[00:11:11] Even the girls that were bringing her that information

[00:11:14] said they didn't want to do it.

[00:11:15] They're like, no, I'm out. I'm good.

[00:11:17] When I tell you it needs to be studied, right?

[00:11:20] Like you could tell that they were just talking shit to talk because. Yeah.

[00:11:24] Immediately they were like, oh, this is how I feel.

[00:11:26] Oh. And then Bria is like, I bet you if he's in the right moment,

[00:11:30] he would cheat blah blah blah.

[00:11:32] Same person that wants a sleep cuddler person to come.

[00:11:36] It's saying this about Nick.

[00:11:37] OK, but it's either way. It's fine.

[00:11:40] Even if this is all true, because who are we to invalidate people's feelings?

[00:11:43] There's no video of it.

[00:11:45] But sure. And as in no video of them even saying it before a hammock talk.

[00:11:51] And then immediately Natalie's like, great.

[00:11:53] Then since I am the benevolent friend, it was giving like weird

[00:11:58] savior complex and she was just like, I will do everyone was like, whoa, whoa,

[00:12:03] whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[00:12:05] Everybody backtracked.

[00:12:07] Everyone was like, well, I didn't personally see it.

[00:12:09] Then another one is like, well, I've already talked to another one is like,

[00:12:12] well, he doesn't make me uncomfortable.

[00:12:15] Then shut up.

[00:12:16] She heard all that and said, nope, still doing it.

[00:12:19] I'm still doing it.

[00:12:20] And there might be a lot of projection from her as well,

[00:12:23] because we know that Amir can't do nothing.

[00:12:26] He'd be like, if Natalie saw me looking over there, then I'd be dead or she'd

[00:12:30] kill me. She'd literally murder me if something like that happens.

[00:12:33] So she's like, wait, what?

[00:12:36] You may or may not have been making somebody feel uncomfortable.

[00:12:39] That has nothing to do with me.

[00:12:41] I have to tell because I would want to know so that I could then, you know,

[00:12:46] you know, retaliate or break up with this person

[00:12:48] because she would she would find that unacceptable.

[00:12:51] But I found that in the house in general,

[00:12:53] a lot of the girls are projecting their feelings about how they would react

[00:12:58] to Nick on to Tasia, even in season one.

[00:13:00] They even bring it goes up to Tasia.

[00:13:02] Like, yeah, just so you know, we didn't even know you had a girlfriend, ma'am.

[00:13:07] That's not your business to tell.

[00:13:09] You know what I'm saying?

[00:13:09] Like if it affected you, if it was like, hey, just so you know,

[00:13:13] I'm not really comfortable with your boyfriend be flirting with me.

[00:13:15] That's a conversation that you can have with the girl.

[00:13:17] The way you say it, but not

[00:13:23] that you can't be accusatory, right?

[00:13:24] Because like at the end of the day, this is still this person's like partner.

[00:13:27] This is the first person you have first time.

[00:13:29] So are you met them?

[00:13:30] It's a very different vibe.

[00:13:32] So I think what would have been like, hey, like

[00:13:36] I think it just is going to come out in the video just so you're aware.

[00:13:40] And I think move on.

[00:13:41] You cannot like try to get them on your side

[00:13:45] because they're never going to pick you over there, man.

[00:13:48] Be serious that. Yeah.

[00:13:50] And that's really what it's coming down to, too.

[00:13:51] Like Tasia, Tasia is taking your word for it, Natalie.

[00:13:54] And everybody knows you just got there.

[00:13:56] Like if Tasia paying any attention,

[00:13:57] she knows that you have nothing to do with this and y'all are real friends.

[00:14:01] So she automatically knows, hey, you when you actually probably know

[00:14:05] when she got there, how much does she's aware of?

[00:14:07] So she hears it and she says she shuts it down.

[00:14:10] She doesn't even address it.

[00:14:11] And I just feel like that was the moment I knew, OK, Natalie, you had overstepped

[00:14:14] because that was your real homegirl.

[00:14:16] She instantly is going to know, OK, you got my back.

[00:14:19] I'm out here looking foolish.

[00:14:20] You know, people are at home throwing stuff at the TV.

[00:14:23] Boo, this woman needs to stand up.

[00:14:25] You got me. You're not going to make me look like an idiot.

[00:14:27] But instead, instead, she shuts it down.

[00:14:30] It's like, no, I can tell this is this is there's not something's not right here.

[00:14:34] And so Nick ends up reacting to all of this.

[00:14:37] And I'm sorry, I agree with everything he said.

[00:14:40] Yeah. And address it with every person who was involved in the conversation.

[00:14:44] You said I'm making you feel uncomfortable.

[00:14:45] I'm touching you. I'm handed.

[00:14:46] Well, I didn't say that. OK, then why is it coming up?

[00:14:49] OK, well, you said I make.

[00:14:50] Well, hold on. That wasn't me.

[00:14:52] OK, well, go get that person.

[00:14:54] Why are we doing this?

[00:14:55] If you have an issue with me, how about you talk about it with me first

[00:14:58] instead of going to talk about it with Tasia minutes before she gets on a plane

[00:15:02] and leaves? It doesn't make sense.

[00:15:04] How about it? Yeah.

[00:15:06] Preston's shocked, too.

[00:15:07] He's like, that's the thing about the house.

[00:15:09] You have an issue, one to one issue with somebody.

[00:15:12] And then you go and tell somebody completely different.

[00:15:15] And you're not telling your sole confidant, you know, if some,

[00:15:19] you know, Preston and Simon are talking or whatever.

[00:15:24] And he has an issue.

[00:15:25] He doesn't go until Jordan or somebody who would never leave.

[00:15:29] It's like, you know, that that person would then go and tell like an outside

[00:15:34] source, somebody who's just messy enough to just go spread it around

[00:15:37] and go directly to the source sometimes like Preston's, one of the few people

[00:15:40] we don't see going out and doing that.

[00:15:44] But this is bad.

[00:15:45] I hated every second of this.

[00:15:46] I felt so bad for Nick.

[00:15:48] And then they kept being like, listen, far be it for me to take a for a man.

[00:15:52] OK, especially this one.

[00:15:55] But they just kept being like, well, if he wasn't guilty,

[00:16:00] why is he being so loud about it?

[00:16:03] Look, because y'all lying on him because y'all are lying on him.

[00:16:05] Like, you know, he better than me.

[00:16:08] Right. I would have been like, hey, Bria, how can I be touchy

[00:16:13] feely when you're asking me to take you to Nobu?

[00:16:15] And how can I be messy when you're asking me to cuddle you at night?

[00:16:21] Does Simon know about that?

[00:16:22] Right. Does he care?

[00:16:23] We're airing everybody out.

[00:16:24] Since everybody's significant other needs to know

[00:16:26] about what everybody is saying and doing at all times, let's talk about it.

[00:16:30] That's exactly what we would have done.

[00:16:32] There was no way he's nicer than me.

[00:16:35] And and I just feel like they don't like him and Tasia together.

[00:16:39] I do think like I said last season, I think I'm on the girl side.

[00:16:43] Right. Like it was weird that none of us knew he was in a relationship.

[00:16:46] Why is he sliding in everyone's DMs?

[00:16:48] Like weird, weird energy.

[00:16:50] Let's leave that there this season.

[00:16:52] I think he's learned and his energy was a little bit funny.

[00:16:57] And I feel like this is mean I'm acknowledging it.

[00:17:00] But I feel like he was trying to be like, I love Tasia.

[00:17:04] Right. Like almost like telling it to the camera.

[00:17:05] Like she's beautiful. She's smart.

[00:17:07] She's kind. She's trying to convince us.

[00:17:10] Yes. And convince himself.

[00:17:12] It was giving when they were getting ready, right, for the bikes.

[00:17:14] And she didn't bring the outfits.

[00:17:16] He's like, that's on me.

[00:17:18] I didn't tell her.

[00:17:20] I was just like, this is weird that this is robotic.

[00:17:23] So maybe the girls are picking up on that.

[00:17:25] I'll give him that.

[00:17:26] But besides that, I think he's been fine this this season. Right.

[00:17:31] And the girls have been Shanice specifically.

[00:17:35] Right. Was like, oh, lock your door.

[00:17:37] Like, I'm going to have sex with you tonight.

[00:17:39] Blah, blah, blah.

[00:17:39] And they never gave Tasia a chance.

[00:17:42] And on top of that, Shabelle, they were talking about their outfits.

[00:17:45] They're like, this is a weird couple.

[00:17:47] I don't get it.

[00:17:48] Just because you are not with a man that's wanting to match with you.

[00:17:54] Right. And well, yeah, they're like, oh, are they going to ride bikes like that?

[00:17:57] It's like, no, no, they're not going to ride bikes like that.

[00:17:59] But if you took a two second, but they were already in shit type shit type mode.

[00:18:02] But they didn't care.

[00:18:03] My issue was Shanice.

[00:18:05] Shanice is like, well, we do think you have wandering eyes.

[00:18:08] Says the woman who's walking around the the the packed villa,

[00:18:14] topless, twerking on literally everything next to the man.

[00:18:19] I don't think we saw Nick stand up and walk across the room and sit next to her.

[00:18:23] She's working on the couch where he's sitting.

[00:18:25] And she's like, well, his eyes are wandering.

[00:18:27] Ma'am, you got your ass in his face.

[00:18:30] Yes, he could look away.

[00:18:31] But why should he have to?

[00:18:33] Why should he have to be in there like this?

[00:18:35] Because you want to get naked.

[00:18:37] Go put some clothes on.

[00:18:38] Didn't we already talk about this last season?

[00:18:40] Stop being naked in front of people's men.

[00:18:42] How about that?

[00:18:43] Brea already tried to fight you because you was naked in a hot tub

[00:18:47] in front of Simon. And here you are.

[00:18:48] You know, Nick got a girl.

[00:18:50] Why are you naked?

[00:18:52] And again, no one is blaming them, but it's just the hypocrisy is

[00:18:58] and exactly.

[00:18:59] Jasmine just kept being like right at brunch.

[00:19:01] They were like, well, we didn't get to know you, Tasia.

[00:19:03] Like, oh, that sucks. That's a huh.

[00:19:07] So you're going to say that, but you're not going to acknowledge

[00:19:11] that y'all just didn't try.

[00:19:13] Yeah. Like we she said, we didn't get to know them as a couple.

[00:19:16] It's like she really wants to pry into their relationship.

[00:19:19] We don't ask Jasmine's bag.

[00:19:20] Jasmine's like, I'm a couple. I'm married.

[00:19:22] Let me find out when y'all are getting married, what you're doing.

[00:19:24] You know, married folks do that.

[00:19:25] And so so that's what she was alluding to, I think.

[00:19:28] But at the same time, it's still like you also you're forcing me to believe

[00:19:32] that you just didn't have a chance.

[00:19:33] And I was like, I don't know if that's true.

[00:19:35] Like, I really do think that there's a lot of stuff going on in the house.

[00:19:38] But if you made that a priority,

[00:19:40] knowing that Tasia and Donald were only there for a limited amount of time,

[00:19:44] maybe you prioritize getting to know them at that point.

[00:19:47] Now, Jasmine's going through a lot.

[00:19:48] We know that she's pregnant.

[00:19:49] So I'm not, you know, like holding her feet to the fire or something like that.

[00:19:52] But yeah, it does feel like they're making a half effort with Tasia

[00:19:55] and then taking it out on Nick every time they don't like

[00:19:58] they don't like something.

[00:19:58] They're like, well, Nick, what about you?

[00:20:01] It's like Tasia ain't complaining.

[00:20:02] We have not heard Tasia complain one time.

[00:20:04] And she has the same access to the cameras that everybody else has.

[00:20:07] So I don't know.

[00:20:09] This was this was weird. It was weird.

[00:20:11] And if I was Nick, honestly, if I was Nick, I would not be back next summer

[00:20:15] because you're not doing this to me every time I look up.

[00:20:17] Every time I look up, y'all, I'm handy.

[00:20:19] My eyes wander.

[00:20:20] And then y'all going back and telling my girlfriend everything I do.

[00:20:22] I might as well just stay at home with her.

[00:20:24] That's what I'm saying.

[00:20:25] I just feel like it's just he's better off the marathon thing.

[00:20:30] Crazy.

[00:20:32] And I think that probably really bothers someone like you

[00:20:35] because you are the friend that would wake up at 8 a.m.

[00:20:38] not to run, but with the sign.

[00:20:41] Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[00:20:42] Yeah. When when Nick was talking about it.

[00:20:44] So to recap, Nick wakes up early in the morning after the party

[00:20:50] and not not Nick's party, but the day that he throws his party.

[00:20:54] Yeah. So he wakes up and he goes and runs a 5K.

[00:20:58] Now, this is following the aftermath of summer drunk, summer

[00:21:01] arguing and pushing Noel and all the people blowing up.

[00:21:04] Nick's up bright early the next day.

[00:21:06] He's running 5K.

[00:21:07] This is his 10th 5K or his 11th 5K.

[00:21:10] I think he's done 10 already prior to this.

[00:21:12] And he's very excited to go do this run.

[00:21:14] It makes him feel good.

[00:21:15] And he goes and he runs the 5K.

[00:21:17] He gets fifth place, which is pretty cool.

[00:21:20] The fifth place out of 100.

[00:21:21] Yeah, that's amazing.

[00:21:22] As far as I'm concerned, 101 out of 100.

[00:21:24] Look the way I'm leaving in mid race. Right.

[00:21:27] But coming back, I was very surprised to hear what he said, where he says,

[00:21:31] you know, I'm shocked that nobody supported me.

[00:21:34] And to me, it hadn't even it hadn't even clicked in my head

[00:21:37] that nobody supported him because you're right, Sasha.

[00:21:39] If you're running a 5K at eight in the morning, 730, I'm up like,

[00:21:42] what time do I need to go?

[00:21:44] Yeah. Like there's no way.

[00:21:46] Don't get down like that.

[00:21:47] And everyone. I am not a morning girly.

[00:21:50] But even then I'm up for you.

[00:21:52] What do you mean?

[00:21:53] Or at least my people, if you're not up when you come back,

[00:21:57] it's we got you hooked up for you. Right.

[00:22:00] The moment you finish the race, you got a text message waiting like,

[00:22:02] hey, man, you good?

[00:22:04] That kind of thing. Like how did it go?

[00:22:05] Exactly. He had to share with them.

[00:22:09] Yeah. And it like call a house meeting and just say,

[00:22:12] hey, I'll support everything y'all do.

[00:22:14] And it's true.

[00:22:15] Every time they like whether they say it's handsy or whatever.

[00:22:19] They talked about that.

[00:22:20] But ever since that moment, you see Nick really supporting everybody.

[00:22:25] Shanice is throwing up in the bed at one point or about to.

[00:22:28] He's right there. Let me make sure Shanice gets there.

[00:22:30] Who's driving them to the airport?

[00:22:32] Nick, you know, he's always looking out for all the people, every person.

[00:22:37] When they have an issue,

[00:22:38] the first people you always want to go to them are either Nick or Amir.

[00:22:40] I'll give them both that.

[00:22:42] But they just they didn't show up for him.

[00:22:44] And so it was a horrible episode for Nick,

[00:22:47] despite him trying to throw this party in honor of his his late frat brother.

[00:22:52] So, yeah, that looking back after watching the two episodes

[00:22:56] and then seeing how it ends with Nick in this big fight with the girls that.

[00:23:00] Yeah. You know, it's just like, dang, it's like I'm telling you, Sasha,

[00:23:03] I think this would have been the end of me.

[00:23:05] This would have been my last episode.

[00:23:06] I'd have been like, all right, y'all don't like me.

[00:23:08] Well, I'm clearly not like off because, yeah, just fighting.

[00:23:11] Like not really, but I'm embarrassing everyone.

[00:23:14] Yeah. But it's like, do you even like me?

[00:23:15] Do you even care about me?

[00:23:16] Like I went in and ran this 5K. I did pretty good.

[00:23:18] Nobody said nothing.

[00:23:19] My girlfriend comes in and y'all take it upon yourselves to to to put a rift

[00:23:24] between us, you know, for what? Right.

[00:23:27] If you really felt that way, why don't you come to me at any point?

[00:23:31] You know, why not?

[00:23:33] None of these women have come to him about that.

[00:23:35] They want the women that talked about it.

[00:23:37] He brought it to them.

[00:23:38] You know, he went back to them and they talked about it.

[00:23:40] They discussed everything.

[00:23:42] And Jordan says whenever I feel like it's going there, she's like, hey, Nick, cool.

[00:23:46] And then they chill out.

[00:23:47] But for Bria and Shanice and especially Natalie to be even in Noel,

[00:23:52] to even be involved in this, like Nick, they're almost offended.

[00:23:55] Like I've definitely never done that with y'all.

[00:23:57] So what are you talking about?

[00:23:59] Sasha, what did you think about Bria's explanation for Nick has been flirting

[00:24:03] with her because based on what I saw, is that flirting?

[00:24:08] Again, you all are listening to two very toxic people,

[00:24:12] but I think we're also two very like possessive people.

[00:24:15] So I think, yeah, we are good at knowing what others shouldn't do.

[00:24:21] Us, whatever.

[00:24:22] But I think that it's not.

[00:24:25] I was at the end of the day.

[00:24:28] I would take me to know if someone's taking me to know who I'm going.

[00:24:32] What do you mean?

[00:24:33] I don't even eat nothing there

[00:24:36] because I have been.

[00:24:37] And let me tell you, there's not much vegetarians. OK.

[00:24:40] But even then, if someone wants to take me there, I'm going.

[00:24:44] And I feel like me and my friends can talk like that.

[00:24:47] What's the big deal?

[00:24:48] I don't think she was like, I want to have sex with you know, like. Right.

[00:24:52] She's just like, are you going to take me to know?

[00:24:54] I mean, we you and I talk about that all the time.

[00:24:56] Where are we going next?

[00:24:57] Like where where what's our next plan?

[00:24:59] I don't know. It's just I find it very weird how folks can

[00:25:03] like take a platonic friendship, right?

[00:25:06] That has nothing to do with anything.

[00:25:08] And we'll just like make it weird.

[00:25:11] Yeah. And again, Bria,

[00:25:13] if you felt like Nick was flirting with you

[00:25:14] and it was inappropriate to your relationship,

[00:25:16] I feel like we would have heard about it.

[00:25:18] I feel like Bria would have told us, Nick, you're crossing the line

[00:25:21] because in season one, when anybody ever brought up

[00:25:24] anything that was opposing her relationship with Simon,

[00:25:28] or we had to hear about it, you know, I'm saying every time it was like,

[00:25:32] hey, you're not respecting my relationship.

[00:25:34] Hey, I'd like the big argument she got in with Jasmine

[00:25:37] because Jasmine was like this relationship ain't real.

[00:25:39] Bria is telling us, no, they're not respecting my relationship

[00:25:41] and I'm a stand up for myself.

[00:25:42] But now you're saying that you have been flirting with Nick

[00:25:44] or he's been flirting with you for days.

[00:25:46] Nobody said nothing.

[00:25:47] But the moment his girlfriend gets here, now it's the hottest topic out there.

[00:25:51] I just I find that hard to believe.

[00:25:54] Yeah. We also see there's like the moment that they flashback

[00:25:57] to where Bria is like twerking on the boat and across the way.

[00:26:01] Nick is like, go, Bria, go, Bria.

[00:26:03] It's like, why are you twerking if you don't want people to hype you up?

[00:26:05] You know what? What are we doing here?

[00:26:07] I just don't understand.

[00:26:08] Since when did that become flirting?

[00:26:10] I must be new here.

[00:26:12] Yeah. And again, like I said, normally women can feel uncomfortable

[00:26:16] and not say something.

[00:26:18] Yes. It just feels like this is not that time.

[00:26:23] Yeah. From what we have seen in an edited show.

[00:26:26] Right. And even then, it's not like they said something at some point

[00:26:30] or said, like, I feel uncomfortable bringing this up.

[00:26:33] What we see is, oh, no, I have no issue talking about it, you know,

[00:26:37] because Bria is talking about it with whoever will listen, apparently.

[00:26:40] And it just happens to be Natalie and three other girls who have not seen

[00:26:44] or been involved in any of the behavior.

[00:26:46] And so I'm like, yeah, if you really felt uncomfortable about it,

[00:26:49] I feel like, you know, either one, we would have heard about it

[00:26:52] from like the cameras or whatever.

[00:26:54] She has plenty of friends there as well that she can use for support.

[00:26:57] It just felt like a gossip circle.

[00:26:59] That's really what it felt like.

[00:27:00] And now whether or not she felt uncomfortable,

[00:27:01] I'm not here to speak on that.

[00:27:02] Maybe she did.

[00:27:04] But the gossip circle with the random who just showed up,

[00:27:07] it's not how you're going to ever fix this problem if you even want to.

[00:27:12] So, yeah, when it gets back to Nick, I yeah, he was seeing red.

[00:27:15] Like you could tell he had never been that mad.

[00:27:18] You mean throughout Houston?

[00:27:20] Yeah. We'll get to that, too.

[00:27:23] But yeah, so that's the big ultimate fight, like I said.

[00:27:26] Yes. For me, I just feel like that should never happen.

[00:27:31] If you have an issue with me, bring it to me.

[00:27:33] Why would you go to my significant other with that information?

[00:27:36] Unless y'all felt like that was your friendship.

[00:27:39] Now, when it comes to the friendship between Natalie and Tasia,

[00:27:42] maybe they're besties.

[00:27:44] We just don't see it.

[00:27:45] We never see them.

[00:27:46] We don't I don't think we see them talking.

[00:27:48] You are not like if my bestie, right, even looks at me,

[00:27:52] I'm like, great, let's go bathroom. Right.

[00:27:54] You kind of you already pick up this something, you know, what's going down.

[00:27:57] You know, I feel like that's your bestie.

[00:27:59] You you you got each other back. You know it.

[00:28:02] Yeah. And even if like, let's say I have, you know,

[00:28:04] these are my last few moments with my man.

[00:28:07] Fine. My man, thankfully, knows me and he knows I will share the tea later.

[00:28:12] We're good.

[00:28:14] But I'm gone like, right?

[00:28:17] No, there's there's no way your friends and I'm not even saying like best friends.

[00:28:22] I'm just saying close friends.

[00:28:24] And you give me a look.

[00:28:27] It's curtains. Let's go.

[00:28:28] We're in the bathroom before I'm like the roadrunner. Right.

[00:28:31] I'm already there. Yeah.

[00:28:32] Like get right up.

[00:28:33] I mean, we have literally done this.

[00:28:36] That's what that's why it's really frustrated to me because I'm thinking.

[00:28:39] I can I remember sitting at brunch and you coming over and being like Chappelle

[00:28:44] and I said, all right, and I got up because it's not it's it's like, OK,

[00:28:49] there has to be something very important for you to be doing this

[00:28:52] right now in front of everybody is like, all right, cool.

[00:28:55] Let me get up and go see what's up.

[00:28:56] And then from there, we really you go and you have the conversation.

[00:28:59] You come back and you act like nothing happened.

[00:29:01] You don't go and then go back.

[00:29:04] Well, she didn't want to talk to me about it.

[00:29:05] Obviously, y'all ain't that close if you didn't want to talk to you about it.

[00:29:08] So, oh, a mess.

[00:29:11] I couldn't believe it.

[00:29:13] I just I couldn't because that to me is a dead giveaway

[00:29:16] that she should have stopped and said nothing because you know,

[00:29:20] for it because if I ask someone to come with me

[00:29:23] and everyone knows I'm the T-Friend.

[00:29:26] So if you don't do that, it's curtains.

[00:29:28] I will never share anything in life with you.

[00:29:32] I'd be like, right.

[00:29:32] I hope you look fucking stupid.

[00:29:35] Right. I try my best.

[00:29:36] But throughout these two episodes, Natalie is somebody who I guess

[00:29:41] she's kind of she is kind of like the viewer at home that is now in the house

[00:29:45] because she's watched season one and now she's in there kind of spectating.

[00:29:49] Right. She's not in any of the drama, but she's kind of like,

[00:29:52] oh, that's what's happening.

[00:29:53] Oh, and that's what I missed.

[00:29:54] Oh, and that's who's fighting.

[00:29:56] Because every time the camera pants to Natalie,

[00:29:59] she's lacing somebody else up on the news

[00:30:03] because she is the hotline to discuss what happens

[00:30:06] between Summer and Noel in episode seven.

[00:30:09] So when we left on episode six, they were arguing, they're fighting.

[00:30:14] And Noel is getting the brunt of all of Summer's anger.

[00:30:18] And we know Noel has done nothing to earn this.

[00:30:20] So Noel, of course, is starting to look at Summer and say,

[00:30:23] well, something's obviously going wrong in your life

[00:30:25] for you to be taking this out on me.

[00:30:27] And she eventually even asked Summer, like, hey, do you even like me?

[00:30:31] Because what's going on?

[00:30:32] Because for you to be feeling these like intense feelings toward me,

[00:30:35] who someone who I've always clicked with, something must have happened.

[00:30:39] But Summer keeps saying like, no, she's going through a lot.

[00:30:41] We know her grandmother is sick.

[00:30:43] Her mom and her are working on their estranged relationship.

[00:30:46] We know it's probably stressful being in the house with Alex after all,

[00:30:50] you know, the drama with them.

[00:30:53] But it just still doesn't feel like this is resolved. Right.

[00:30:57] Like, I don't think they're ever going to mean this particular friendship

[00:31:00] with Noel and Summer after this one.

[00:31:03] Yeah. I just OK.

[00:31:06] I just want them all to go to like friend therapy.

[00:31:11] Right. Not together.

[00:31:12] But I just feel like no one is being girls, girls.

[00:31:15] Right. Like Summer seems to have a good trio with Jordan and Preston.

[00:31:22] And I thought they thank you.

[00:31:25] And then she's like, no, that's too deep for me.

[00:31:27] And can I just say I have definitely been in that position where

[00:31:32] I feel like I make deep friendships really quickly.

[00:31:35] And but then like I don't I don't have to like

[00:31:39] party friends, quote unquote, all the time.

[00:31:42] And like somehow I sometimes get into like the oh, let's be deep and talk friends.

[00:31:47] And then I see those like friends that go on trips all the time.

[00:31:51] And they're just like easy breezy, whatever.

[00:31:54] You know, not just on the outside.

[00:31:57] And I get into that grass is greener type thing.

[00:32:00] And then I've had to like check myself to be like, what do you mean?

[00:32:03] Like, but you have real friends and that's great.

[00:32:06] So I think that there is that moment.

[00:32:08] But I just need Summer to like look past herself a little bit.

[00:32:12] And I think this is an issue with all these girls where it's either that

[00:32:17] they've, you know, just kind of been put together by the show,

[00:32:19] which is why there isn't really that deep friendship.

[00:32:22] And, you know, Jasmine is the the main.

[00:32:25] The blue. Yeah. Yeah. And she's not there.

[00:32:28] So maybe that's why they're a little bit like this.

[00:32:31] But it's just I just feel like there isn't really a lot of sisterhood

[00:32:34] between them and they just kind of use every moment

[00:32:38] to throw each other under the bus.

[00:32:40] And like it's not just specifically, I feel like just Summer and Noel,

[00:32:44] even though theirs is like currently in the spotlight.

[00:32:47] But I feel like it's everyone.

[00:32:50] And I just feel like they're not like being girls, girls.

[00:32:53] What did you think about the way Noel handled the Summer situation?

[00:32:56] Because she really was the person who got the majority of drunk Summer,

[00:33:01] you know, or Hurricane Summer, whatever the show called her.

[00:33:04] You know, Noel is on the receiving end of all that.

[00:33:06] How do you think she handled it?

[00:33:08] I think she's right in that there's no reasoning with a drunk person

[00:33:12] that's feeling all those feelings. Right.

[00:33:14] And I think she should also reflect on the fact that this girl keeps being like,

[00:33:18] sorry, I didn't tell you that he was inside me, you know, like over and over again.

[00:33:23] I just feel like that's not necessarily someone that's your bestie.

[00:33:26] And she should kind of hold this person at an arm's length

[00:33:29] and be the like fun, fun, fun.

[00:33:32] And that's it, person.

[00:33:34] That's I don't know how you feel, but I feel like the older you get,

[00:33:37] the easier it is to distinguish people.

[00:33:40] And you could be like, oh, this is like not someone I can be like cool with.

[00:33:44] Or this is someone I can only be surface friends with.

[00:33:47] This is someone I can only blah, blah, blah.

[00:33:49] And I think that's where I need Noel to get to with Summer.

[00:33:52] Yeah, she it feels like she did, though.

[00:33:54] It feels like she landed on.

[00:33:56] He says, like, I can forgive, but I'm not forgetting this. Right.

[00:33:59] Because it could happen again.

[00:34:01] And, you know, there's a world where Noel didn't appreciate any of that

[00:34:06] to the to the point where she maybe says something to the production

[00:34:09] because Summer did push her.

[00:34:11] You know, we've seen people get pushed in this house before and get removed.

[00:34:14] And we'll get to her in just a little bit.

[00:34:16] But for that to happen to Noel, you like you remember putting your hands on me.

[00:34:19] Right. And Summer, of course, doesn't remember

[00:34:22] anybody who's getting drunk and literally like physically touching people.

[00:34:26] At that point, I think you have to like you have to be aware

[00:34:30] that this could happen again.

[00:34:31] And so Summer eventually will, you know, go and try to mend fences with everybody.

[00:34:36] She works her way around the house.

[00:34:38] I think the only person who wasn't open to talking to her was Bria.

[00:34:42] It was just like, no, I'm good.

[00:34:44] I don't need to force myself to do this

[00:34:46] because this is the second time.

[00:34:50] Yeah, this is the second time.

[00:34:51] So this this is this is Summer trying to, you know, kind of like on her apology tour.

[00:34:56] We do see the conversation between Preston and Jordan in summer,

[00:35:00] like two separate one on ones where they both ask her. So.

[00:35:05] Natalie, who hasn't even been here, told us that you find it difficult

[00:35:10] being friends with us.

[00:35:11] And she does, she goes up and apologize.

[00:35:13] I think she really does take accountability and say, no, that's me.

[00:35:16] Going through my stuff.

[00:35:17] I'll say this on the opposite end.

[00:35:19] I am the fun friend that people have. Right.

[00:35:22] Like I'm the one who's always down for the party and stuff like that.

[00:35:24] But even then on that side, sometimes you do feel envious of the people

[00:35:27] who do have those deep relationships.

[00:35:29] You're like, yeah, everybody only calls me when it's time for a trip.

[00:35:31] But then it's like when something is actually like matters to me,

[00:35:34] where is everybody? Right.

[00:35:36] And so I think maybe that's a little bit why I related to Nick

[00:35:39] so much in this episode, because when he has his five K

[00:35:43] or when he's throwing his his party.

[00:35:47] He's waking up that morning like, man, the house is a mess.

[00:35:49] All this other stuff. I really need help.

[00:35:52] And when he goes to ask him for help, he immediately gets

[00:35:56] feedback from Bria, who's like, why do we why do I have to help you?

[00:35:59] Like, I don't I don't know. Like, what do you I mean, I'll help you.

[00:36:02] But nobody helped me.

[00:36:03] And then we see the cutaway to where people are actually helping

[00:36:06] Bria with her party.

[00:36:08] That would drive me crazy.

[00:36:09] Like, yes, I did help you. Why won't you help me? Do

[00:36:13] do people really act like this is my question?

[00:36:16] Is it for me? Because in my mind, if someone helped me like

[00:36:20] I have to help them so hard, like I'll never forget.

[00:36:23] Never. Yeah. Like like my head.

[00:36:27] Yeah. You can't hold it over my head anymore.

[00:36:30] I never want to hear about it.

[00:36:31] And also like you did something for me.

[00:36:34] How do I show my gratitude?

[00:36:35] What to I'm waiting on you to need me, you know, so I can pay it back.

[00:36:39] I don't know. That's agreed.

[00:36:41] So again, people like this exist.

[00:36:43] I just feel like it's there's a little bit of maybe

[00:36:47] selective memory and entitlement, right?

[00:36:49] Of like what I just asked you to move one tripod.

[00:36:51] I didn't ask you to clean bathrooms.

[00:36:53] Right. Like it's in their mind.

[00:36:55] Apple, not apples to apples.

[00:36:57] But again, he didn't say scrub the toilets.

[00:36:59] He just said like index the

[00:37:02] the glass and make sure, you know, whatever the toilet paper.

[00:37:05] That's normal because at the end of the day, I feel like a mirror

[00:37:09] and Preston are the only ones cleaning.

[00:37:11] They should be the ones hosting the house meeting.

[00:37:14] Yeah. About the.

[00:37:16] Yeah, this house is a mess all the time.

[00:37:18] And we always see a mirror and Preston randomly cleaning up

[00:37:21] early in the morning.

[00:37:23] And this is me. I'm going to pick on the women right now.

[00:37:26] I've been in plenty of communal spaces where we are sharing

[00:37:29] bathrooms and stuff like that.

[00:37:31] If there's a dirty bathroom, listen,

[00:37:34] the women be having their stuff everywhere.

[00:37:37] OK, it'd be everywhere.

[00:37:39] It's just like, Bria, let's be honest.

[00:37:41] At least there's something that you could feel like, OK,

[00:37:44] maybe I could clean that up when it comes to the bathroom.

[00:37:47] He's not asking you to scrub the toilet.

[00:37:49] He's just saying, hey, man, could you maybe get all the eyelashes off?

[00:37:53] You know, I'm saying like just normal stuff, man.

[00:37:55] We got people coming over and it wasn't just for Tasia.

[00:37:59] This is for all the guests.

[00:38:00] They throw a massive party, Sasha.

[00:38:03] If you know a bunch of people are coming to your house,

[00:38:07] it doesn't matter who's throwing a party.

[00:38:10] I'm not going to let them see us looking nasty.

[00:38:12] We got to clean up.

[00:38:14] That's my point is just I feel like that is the most normal thing.

[00:38:17] You are unfortunately correct about women in bathrooms.

[00:38:21] I am said woman.

[00:38:26] But, you know, I've really been trying to like keep it all in my bed, whatever.

[00:38:28] There's ways around it.

[00:38:30] But yeah, I think that if you're sharing a house, it's impossible.

[00:38:33] It's curtains. Right.

[00:38:34] And for me, it's hair like, oh, my hair is everywhere.

[00:38:38] I'm worse than a dog.

[00:38:40] Like Milo has nothing on me when it comes to shedding hair.

[00:38:43] But you have to be cognizant.

[00:38:45] You just got to clean up after yourself.

[00:38:47] And I just like you just have to shut up sometimes and be like,

[00:38:50] what is it that you need?

[00:38:52] Go to your friends, not Natalie,

[00:38:55] and just like do a little gossip session and move on with your day.

[00:39:00] And move on.

[00:39:01] And we and we do see Bria sneak up upstairs and talk to Shanice like,

[00:39:04] well, get a maid if you need.

[00:39:06] It's like, OK, Bria, you also are not required to do any of this help. Right.

[00:39:11] Nick is not your boss.

[00:39:12] So if you really felt some type of way, be like, I really don't feel like

[00:39:15] cleaning the bathroom because somebody else do it and go on about your day.

[00:39:18] I would much rather you do that.

[00:39:19] I would much rather you tell me to your to my face.

[00:39:22] Hey, I just ain't got it in me today.

[00:39:24] I'm not I don't I don't really feel like cleaning up.

[00:39:26] Then for me to get home and watch it on television.

[00:39:29] And I ask you something as simple as wipe the mirror

[00:39:32] and then make sure there's toilet tissue on the roll.

[00:39:35] So not even cleaning the toilet bowl, which really is horrible.

[00:39:39] And I do know that that's not fair.

[00:39:41] But outside of that, what someone has to clean it if you're using it?

[00:39:45] I don't know. Also.

[00:39:48] Also, the toilet tissue on the roll benefits everyone.

[00:39:52] It literally benefits everyone, but it benefits the women more.

[00:39:55] You use toilet tissue more than men do.

[00:39:58] Just do it. So it's like, bro,

[00:40:03] you should be the first one.

[00:40:04] Be like, let me make sure it's going to tissue in there.

[00:40:05] You know what I'm saying?

[00:40:06] So because, you know, I'm very particular.

[00:40:08] Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[00:40:09] Like, I don't know that I'm the cleanest person necessarily, but I'm aware

[00:40:13] like I'm not dirty and I'm messy, but I'm not dirty.

[00:40:18] And there's a distinction.

[00:40:19] But I just feel like it's so easy to be like he's dressed.

[00:40:23] His girl is coming. That's it.

[00:40:25] But I think when you inherently don't like someone

[00:40:28] like think about as someone that or excise, we're just not going to help them

[00:40:32] or clean for them.

[00:40:33] And I'm not going to be a dummy and expect them to help me either.

[00:40:38] Well, of course, yes, she throws this fit after they have already helped her

[00:40:42] with her thing. Yeah.

[00:40:44] To Bria's point, though, to her credit, she is upset about Simon.

[00:40:49] So the night before her and Simon, she's been she's been talking to him

[00:40:53] and it's just they're not they're not on the same page right now.

[00:40:56] And it will get worse in episode eight because Nick does throw his party.

[00:41:03] Everybody's arriving.

[00:41:04] We see the arrival of all of his friends from college.

[00:41:08] We see Mariah even show up.

[00:41:11] Eventually, the tall guy, whatever his name is.

[00:41:15] I literally was just looking at my notes.

[00:41:17] Oh, my gosh.

[00:41:18] Well, he shows up to Phil Phil shows up.

[00:41:21] I was like, yeah, it's too many people.

[00:41:24] Too many people.

[00:41:25] So did you see the special guest?

[00:41:29] No. What special guests?

[00:41:31] OK, so I didn't mean to cut you off.

[00:41:34] Sorry, but I just got to know.

[00:41:35] I don't want to forget it.

[00:41:36] So there is a moment where our besties, Natalie

[00:41:40] and Amir.

[00:41:42] So Amir is like, Jordan, Jordan.

[00:41:44] Oh, yeah. The other George, did you know what we was talking about?

[00:41:47] No. Hmm.

[00:41:53] Yeah. He is talking about Destiny from Love Island.

[00:41:58] Oh, OK. Now we got action.

[00:42:00] Seen her before because I was like, oh, my God, I've seen her.

[00:42:05] Who the hell is this? Who the hell is this?

[00:42:07] I like it just it slipped my mind and destiny.

[00:42:10] And turns out she's an AK, which is crazy.

[00:42:13] Right. Right. I see it now.

[00:42:14] I'm looking at the on Google.

[00:42:15] I was like, yeah, that's the lady who was walking around.

[00:42:17] That's other Jordan.

[00:42:18] Yes. Which I was like, they don't even look alike.

[00:42:21] Stop. I think they were just dressed in the same type of like.

[00:42:25] Yeah. I think. Yeah.

[00:42:27] And I'm

[00:42:31] not Jordan walks by.

[00:42:32] Destiny walks by and oh man, this is tough.

[00:42:36] Amir says, oh, Jordan.

[00:42:39] It is like, oh, that's not Jordan.

[00:42:40] It turns back around in like clockwork.

[00:42:43] The attitude comes out of Natalie.

[00:42:45] Like, oh, what was that about?

[00:42:46] What do you mean? Oh, that's Jordan.

[00:42:49] I said, dang, is it that tough around here?

[00:42:51] Like y'all strict.

[00:42:52] You can't even notice somebody walking by, especially somebody.

[00:42:55] Your friend Sasha was.

[00:42:57] Am I tripping?

[00:42:59] No. And the way she freaks out, Jordan didn't want your man.

[00:43:05] We already saw that episode, ma'am.

[00:43:07] You don't have to bring that up.

[00:43:08] That comment about the wigs.

[00:43:11] Yeah, he's like, everybody got all these wigs.

[00:43:13] No, Jordan has so many wigs.

[00:43:15] You can never tell.

[00:43:16] Jordan has pulled us.

[00:43:19] She doesn't like to talk about it.

[00:43:20] Right. Exactly.

[00:43:21] Wrong with you.

[00:43:23] I learned a long time ago and I've said this on different podcasts.

[00:43:26] When it when it comes to black women in their hair,

[00:43:28] I just politely move out the way that is none of my business.

[00:43:32] If I if anything, I'd have been like Jordan changes her hair up sometimes.

[00:43:35] So I thought it was her.

[00:43:37] To be like she has so many.

[00:43:39] Right. But to be like, she has so many different wigs.

[00:43:42] It's like.

[00:43:43] You know, if Jordan is in a shady way, right?

[00:43:46] Well, it was more like I don't know if it was shady,

[00:43:48] but it was definitely kind of like flip it like no, but she just has so many wigs.

[00:43:51] So I just you know, I can't keep up with that.

[00:43:53] And I'm thinking I'm just what we know about Jordan.

[00:43:56] She probably wouldn't appreciate that.

[00:43:58] That's all I'm saying.

[00:43:59] And so but he's doing this because if he doesn't,

[00:44:03] Natalie might get mad and God forbid Natalie's upset about anything ever.

[00:44:07] So you got to make sure that she knows like, no, no, no, no, no.

[00:44:10] It's not I wasn't looking at anybody else.

[00:44:12] I would never do that.

[00:44:12] It was just a you know,

[00:44:15] it's too many wigs.

[00:44:16] You know, anybody would have made that mistake.

[00:44:18] Bro, just like a puppy, like a wounded puppy.

[00:44:22] Also, I forgot to bring up sorry, because it's in my notes.

[00:44:27] Did you see how she was playing with Tasia's hair when she was talking about her?

[00:44:31] No, I didn't see it.

[00:44:35] She was playing with her hair like this.

[00:44:38] And mind you, first of all, Tasia has beautiful curls.

[00:44:41] And I was like, you're flattening them like stop.

[00:44:44] There is a way to, you know, with hair that that that's coiled like that.

[00:44:49] It's just stop. Stop it.

[00:44:51] And she kept being like like this, you know, like

[00:44:55] and again, I think you could do that to like me.

[00:44:58] No, because if my hair is styled, I don't want someone touching it

[00:45:02] because it's all right.

[00:45:02] I touch my hair so much and it's horrible.

[00:45:06] And on top of that, not someone else is doing it.

[00:45:07] Absolutely not.

[00:45:09] And she's just like it felt like she was flattening it.

[00:45:11] But she was like, I need to tell you about Nick blah, blah, blah.

[00:45:14] And she's just like, and I said, you're messing up her curls.

[00:45:18] And it's the worst when it's in the back because you can't even see it to fix it.

[00:45:21] So it's just I just felt like I needed to bring that up.

[00:45:23] And I forgot. So not only touch people's hair.

[00:45:26] Yeah, like my niece has the most amazing Afro.

[00:45:29] And whenever she walks up on me, I'm like, oh, my God, I love you.

[00:45:32] I love your hair. I love you.

[00:45:32] My sister is like, you sound like the white folks that be touching you.

[00:45:35] Where is like?

[00:45:35] I was like, that's my number one.

[00:45:37] That is my niece.

[00:45:37] And I will comment on her beautiful hair all I want.

[00:45:40] Even though you have mama, I'm still going to say her hair is beautiful.

[00:45:42] But I also am not reaching over and grabbing a handful of it.

[00:45:45] So yeah, like difference there.

[00:45:48] Nobody wants your greasy, dirty hands or your clean hands for that matter

[00:45:52] or anything in their hair, you know, so whatever.

[00:45:56] The party is only about to start, obviously.

[00:45:59] But we still have some people that we need to touch base with.

[00:46:02] Mariah is there and we know that Mariah

[00:46:05] holds a mirror accountable for the basically getting kicked out of the house

[00:46:10] in season one.

[00:46:11] They have their big dispute between Mariah and Bria

[00:46:14] about who put Milo's dog clothes in the laundry with the people clothes.

[00:46:20] And she's not she's not happy.

[00:46:22] She says it's disgusting.

[00:46:24] Her and Bria get into it.

[00:46:25] She puts her hands on Bria, she gets removed.

[00:46:28] But in the in the offseason, she's been texting Amir

[00:46:31] and they've been talking about it in the mirrors like, yeah, I feel I'm sorry

[00:46:35] that, you know, the clothes got put in there.

[00:46:37] But I'm not going to feel I don't I'm not sorry that you got put out the house.

[00:46:40] Like, that's not my problem. I didn't do that.

[00:46:42] And so when they finally sit down and have that conversation, Mariah,

[00:46:46] it does feel like she wants him to take accountability for

[00:46:49] if you had not put the dog clothes in there,

[00:46:52] then I would still be I wouldn't have had to do what I did to Bria.

[00:46:56] Thus, I would still be in the house.

[00:46:58] So in summation, it's your fault that that happened.

[00:47:00] And I'm like, I don't think that's that's not how I'm viewing it.

[00:47:05] Sasha, Mariah says he could have done it on purpose.

[00:47:08] Do you get any of this or like again, this is all up for interpretation.

[00:47:13] How do you feel about Mariah's interpretation of all of this?

[00:47:15] I why am I?

[00:47:17] I hate not agreeing with the girlies.

[00:47:19] You see what I'm saying? It's killing me.

[00:47:21] But I don't think he did it on purpose.

[00:47:22] I really think he is that like a loop

[00:47:27] and not like he just might do something and not realize it.

[00:47:30] Yeah. And even then, it's so for me,

[00:47:34] I would have pissed Mariah off very easily because when

[00:47:37] when I see clothes that need to be washed, putting them in the same laundry

[00:47:41] hamper does not like for me, it's all going to get washed eventually.

[00:47:45] Like it's all going to get in the water and the soap and potentially the bleach.

[00:47:49] So whatever dog germs there are, that's what the point of the washer is.

[00:47:53] So it never occurred to me to not and not to like go and make sure

[00:47:57] that the dog clothes aren't in the pile of clothes.

[00:48:00] I would just throw the clothes in a pile and call it a day.

[00:48:03] Now, I don't also I also don't have a dog, so it doesn't occur to me.

[00:48:06] And if I honestly if I had a dog, I wouldn't it wouldn't be wearing clothes.

[00:48:10] My dog would be an outside dog. Trust me.

[00:48:11] I've thought about this.

[00:48:12] So everybody is not.

[00:48:14] Grandma's dog kills.

[00:48:16] He did you see it?

[00:48:17] It's huge about you.

[00:48:20] But that it's huge that my granny has for the people who don't know,

[00:48:24] my grandmother has a large dog.

[00:48:27] It's a puppy, but it is large.

[00:48:28] It is tackled my granny.

[00:48:30] And so me and the dog do not see eye to eye because I'm like, hey,

[00:48:34] you're on borrowed time, buddy.

[00:48:35] But if my granny was like, I bought the dog a coat, I'm like, grandma, stop it.

[00:48:38] Stop it. Buy clothes for people.

[00:48:40] If you want to buy your dog clothes, that's cool.

[00:48:43] But why am I supposed to know dog etiquette when it comes to clothes for dogs?

[00:48:47] You know, I'm saying like I don't think he's thinking, oh, yeah.

[00:48:50] Let me make sure Milo's darks and whites are separated.

[00:48:53] You know what I'm saying?

[00:48:54] So I don't know this.

[00:48:55] It's kind of I just think it was unfortunate.

[00:48:58] There's no excusing behavior.

[00:49:00] This is just like I feel like sometimes boys be dumb. Yeah.

[00:49:04] Oh, yeah. That's what I would have made her mad because I'd have been like,

[00:49:07] I'm sorry, all the clothes were going to get washed.

[00:49:09] And first of all, why does the dog have clothes?

[00:49:11] Let's start there.

[00:49:12] You know, that is like a boy thing to do.

[00:49:15] That's I can't even hold it again.

[00:49:16] It's more that she shouldn't have been kicked out.

[00:49:20] But that's another conversation.

[00:49:22] Mm hmm. I mean, if you if you push me and I feel like I'm unsafe

[00:49:26] because I think maybe Bri is feeling like, look, I'm never going to let that go.

[00:49:29] So she has to go. Right.

[00:49:30] And so maybe maybe that's fair.

[00:49:32] But but but again, Mariah,

[00:49:35] her reaction to whatever happened is still her responsibility.

[00:49:39] Yes, correct.

[00:49:40] Because had she said, hey, house meeting real quick,

[00:49:44] who put the dog's hair, you know, the dog stuff with the clothes. Right.

[00:49:49] And Amir raises his hand and says, it was me.

[00:49:52] And she says, cool, could you not do that anymore?

[00:49:54] Yeah, yeah. Problem solved.

[00:49:56] But going to Maria, to Bria and saying Mariah, Maria, Maria,

[00:50:01] going to Bria and being like you, but you put your dog's clothes in there

[00:50:05] with the clean clothes, like what's going on?

[00:50:07] Boom. Ultimate shutdown.

[00:50:09] It's automatically it stops there.

[00:50:10] We do know that Mariah is allergic to dog hair as well.

[00:50:14] So she's not a big fan of Milo from the beginning of that season.

[00:50:17] But again, your reaction to Bria.

[00:50:21] Is not Amir's fault, if anything, if you had acted a little bit more measured,

[00:50:25] you would have caught Amir in the corner kind of raising his hand

[00:50:28] when they when the conversation came up

[00:50:29] and maybe you could have took your anger out on him

[00:50:31] because he's the one who actually did it.

[00:50:32] So a year later, asking for him to basically apologize and say like,

[00:50:37] no, it was my fault that you went home.

[00:50:40] I'm like, I'm not moved by this.

[00:50:42] Yeah, I again, I do think that the way he moves with women is interesting

[00:50:47] compared to the way he talks to men.

[00:50:49] And both can be true in that I don't think he could do anything

[00:50:53] because he's a full time cast member and you're not anymore.

[00:50:56] It's yeah. Yeah.

[00:50:58] I mean, she just wants him to apologize for it.

[00:51:00] But what is he supposed to say?

[00:51:01] Like, I'm sorry that I did.

[00:51:03] I got you kicked out the house because that's not the case.

[00:51:05] You got you kicked out the house.

[00:51:06] You did. And then if not, you stood up for you.

[00:51:10] Right. If not, you Jasmine got you kicked out the house

[00:51:12] because she was the one who asked you to leave.

[00:51:13] If not, Jasmine Bria got you kicked out the house

[00:51:14] because she was the one you hit.

[00:51:16] You know, she was the one who bought the dog.

[00:51:17] If anything, I made a mistake.

[00:51:20] You accusing me of doing it on purpose is wild.

[00:51:23] I think that that's probably the thing that like it makes me look at a mirror

[00:51:26] kind of like, well, why does Mariah feel like you could have did it on purpose?

[00:51:29] Like what energy are you giving off?

[00:51:31] Yeah, because for me, you would like you said, Sasha, boys be dumb.

[00:51:35] If I did that, you're like, Chappelle is stupid.

[00:51:37] He's a boy. Stop it.

[00:51:38] Like, yeah, you just have to be like, that was dumb.

[00:51:40] Don't do it again and wash your clothes again.

[00:51:42] My God, you're not even paying for electricity.

[00:51:45] Right. Wash the clothes again.

[00:51:47] The soap will get the that's the point of soap.

[00:51:50] It is literally the point.

[00:51:51] Yeah. So again, it's just I think you're right.

[00:51:54] There is a way to like make it into content without fighting people.

[00:51:58] That's all. Yeah.

[00:51:59] But also I look because Mariah even goes, aren't you like a house person?

[00:52:04] Talked about onto your realtor.

[00:52:06] Yeah. He's like, what does that have to do with knowing dog clothes etiquette?

[00:52:12] And she's like, it does have to do with that.

[00:52:13] It's like, you know, I'm scared of dogs.

[00:52:15] So for me, I'm just like, just don't bring the dog closer.

[00:52:17] We were good.

[00:52:18] Yeah, I'm not afraid of dogs, but also I just I'm so indifferent.

[00:52:21] It would have like I would be the one who forgot Milo was in the house.

[00:52:24] Like, huh? What dog?

[00:52:25] You know, but I understand this meant a lot to Mariah.

[00:52:28] It's just that she was never going to get the like the reaction

[00:52:31] she wanted from Amir.

[00:52:32] Yeah. The other cool thing is that this party from Nick

[00:52:37] is going to be dedicated to his fallen line brother.

[00:52:39] He is his line brother passed away

[00:52:44] from drowning, actually.

[00:52:46] And so he uses this party to kind of honor him.

[00:52:50] And it's very it's very nice. It's very Nick coded.

[00:52:52] Everybody's come. They're dressed really well.

[00:52:54] There's good music.

[00:52:57] He does do a toast to his line brother.

[00:52:58] He talks about how the number five was his line brother's number when he pledged.

[00:53:02] So in order for the uninitiated, they're lined up in order.

[00:53:06] And his line brother was the fifth one in line.

[00:53:08] So that guy, since he was a number five, Nick has been noticing

[00:53:13] that five is coming up a lot more in his life

[00:53:16] where he came in fifth place in the five K.

[00:53:18] And at one time he got in his last race, he clocked in at five fifty five.

[00:53:23] So the number five is popping up a lot.

[00:53:25] And to Nick, that means, you know, like, hey, maybe it's a sign of me

[00:53:29] remembering my line brother, remembering somebody who

[00:53:32] who like I felt was really close to me or something like that.

[00:53:36] And I thought this was pretty cool.

[00:53:37] So I know you got a kick out of this because I was like, I was like, this feels

[00:53:39] like because you tapped in and I feel like you would notice stuff like this.

[00:53:43] That's what I'm saying.

[00:53:44] It's just I feel like the number four follows me a lot.

[00:53:48] And it's actually my line number as well.

[00:53:51] OK, so that's why.

[00:53:52] And I ran the 400 in high school.

[00:53:54] It's just anyway, it's just it's very interesting how that's what listen, Beyonce.

[00:53:59] We the same. But.

[00:54:03] But it's just it's true.

[00:54:04] So I really understand that.

[00:54:05] I think the dreams and like these like signs are a way for folks to communicate with you.

[00:54:12] Yeah, and I think that's pretty cool.

[00:54:16] So we do have to briefly talk about the HBCU culture in this episode.

[00:54:21] Yes. Yeah.

[00:54:22] So they talk about what it means to be a line brother.

[00:54:25] And we really get into the explanation about these black Greek lettered organizations

[00:54:30] that they're a part of. Right.

[00:54:31] So Nick gives a rundown.

[00:54:33] He says there's nine of the quote unquote divine nine.

[00:54:37] There's the of the black Greek lettered organizations and of the nine.

[00:54:42] Nick is a part of Kappa Alpha Psi.

[00:54:44] We see that Noel is in the house as well.

[00:54:46] She's a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha.

[00:54:49] And so and then Preston, of course, is a member of Alpha Phi Alpha.

[00:54:53] And so they list all of the organizations and talk about how, you know, the party culture

[00:54:59] that they have at HBCUs and the history of these organizations being at the parties and

[00:55:05] strolling and stepping as a way of entertaining back when, you know, a lot of these

[00:55:09] colleges didn't have DJs and stuff.

[00:55:11] So they would use the steppers as a way to this is this is the fun and games at the party.

[00:55:15] Right. And so that culture has lived on HBCUs and at non HBCUs really because I was like

[00:55:22] we were strolling and we are part of the or the sorority I was part of was not a divine

[00:55:28] nine, but it was a multicultural Greek organization.

[00:55:31] And even then it has come in to our cultures as well.

[00:55:36] Not we did not step, but strolling.

[00:55:40] Yeah, and it's become such a big part of college life for people of color, for sure.

[00:55:46] You know, it starts with black Greek letter organization.

[00:55:48] But like you said, there's so many different multicultural organizations as well that do

[00:55:51] this. And so we see them shimmying and strolling at the party.

[00:55:55] We see the AKA's doing their thing, including Destiny and Noel.

[00:56:00] And then we see Nick and Alex doing their thing, shimmying.

[00:56:05] There are no Omegas in sight.

[00:56:08] And that's how you know it wasn't a real party.

[00:56:10] I told you, you have to get on this show.

[00:56:11] I don't want to be on the show.

[00:56:12] They could be like, you're the one on the podcast.

[00:56:14] Call it a drag. It was me.

[00:56:15] It was me. But yeah, I'm a member of Omega Psy Phi fraternity.

[00:56:19] I could be your friend that shows up.

[00:56:21] You could be plus one. Yeah.

[00:56:22] And then, yeah. Yes.

[00:56:23] OK, we're going to fight.

[00:56:25] But I'll help you host the party too.

[00:56:27] Yeah. I'm like Sasha's the only one who got up and watch me and help me host the

[00:56:30] party. Yeah.

[00:56:32] But it's not a party if the cues ain't there.

[00:56:35] And as the cues.

[00:56:36] You know what? It's just a different party.

[00:56:38] I'll tell y'all that.

[00:56:39] It's not a party if the cues ain't there.

[00:56:42] So whatever this little function is, Nick threw together.

[00:56:44] That was cool. But it ain't a party.

[00:56:48] How did you feel about Amir, the Kappa interest?

[00:56:51] They called Amir a Kappa interest.

[00:56:53] And I said, that's disrespectful because we don't we don't know if that boy ever

[00:56:58] cared about being a Kappa.

[00:56:59] We don't know that.

[00:57:00] They was being messy.

[00:57:01] That was shade.

[00:57:02] Yeah, that was shade.

[00:57:05] Excuse me. If it were my GDIs, my goddamn independents.

[00:57:09] If you didn't know someone at this big age calls you an interest, your friendship

[00:57:15] over. Right.

[00:57:16] They talk a noise.

[00:57:18] But yeah, they're basically telling Amir that he wants to be a Kappa, but he don't

[00:57:21] have what it takes to actually go become one.

[00:57:23] And so he's just going to look from the sidelines and tell everybody that, man,

[00:57:27] you know, you know, I could have been one of those.

[00:57:29] Why was he trying to do the shimmy like that, though?

[00:57:32] Oh, my God.

[00:57:33] I yeah. Again, as like someone that has been a shimmy Stan, I think that's what

[00:57:39] they call them. The people watch.

[00:57:41] And I was like, yeah, you do be like, oh, I could do it.

[00:57:44] And then you try. You look like an idiot.

[00:57:45] Don't try. I think everybody should just stop shimmy.

[00:57:49] Everybody will let the SG Rose can continue to shimmy.

[00:57:52] But Sam White.

[00:57:55] Yes. No, but everybody else stops you being the brother.

[00:57:58] We don't shimmy. We don't stroll.

[00:58:00] We hop and that's it.

[00:58:01] Oh, and that was like, what do you mean?

[00:58:03] I was like, I was in the stroll.

[00:58:05] Three moves right now.

[00:58:06] Yeah. No, no. We hop.

[00:58:08] We hop. And that's what I said.

[00:58:10] This this all this ain't a party.

[00:58:12] All this is not a party.

[00:58:13] It ain't a party until the purple and gold.

[00:58:14] If the Omega's are there, ladies, just

[00:58:21] and that's great, too, because it's a whole

[00:58:23] we show up and that's the problem that was missing.

[00:58:26] You were missing.

[00:58:26] So I go on because you make us weren't there.

[00:58:29] I think that's the best way to describe it.

[00:58:31] Because it's safe one to turn the lights off when the wholesome people get there.

[00:58:34] See, that's what I'm saying.

[00:58:35] So all that to say, good, wholesome HBCU fun.

[00:58:39] You know, Nick went to Tuskegee and pledged Kappa Alpha Psi

[00:58:43] the same chapter that Davey from Survivor Pledge.

[00:58:47] And so I'm pretty sure he knows him pretty well.

[00:58:49] Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[00:58:50] And so this was this was a fun thing to watch.

[00:58:52] We got to watch.

[00:58:53] You know, that's the thing that stuck out to me for Martha's Vineyard.

[00:58:58] As far as Summer House goes, is that, you know, drama aside,

[00:59:01] you do learn so much about things that

[00:59:05] that are very important to a lot of black people.

[00:59:07] Everybody like being a part of a black Greek letter organization

[00:59:10] is not for everybody.

[00:59:11] Everybody's not going to be a fan of it, as you might have heard in the news

[00:59:14] lately or in social media.

[00:59:16] But the the like the idea that Summer House needs to highlight that

[00:59:23] it does make me very happy to be talking about the show,

[00:59:25] because there are a lot of good things that have come from black Greek

[00:59:28] letter organization, a lot of civil rights activists,

[00:59:30] a lot of activism and service has come from it as well,

[00:59:33] because these organizations do not stop at graduation.

[00:59:36] They actually increase the amount of stuff that you should be doing

[00:59:39] once you've graduated, because now you have the time, the resources,

[00:59:42] the money and the connections to make noticeable change in your community.

[00:59:45] So, you know, that's my spiel for the BGLOs.

[00:59:49] Yeah. Shout out to the bros wherever y'all are listening to this.

[00:59:52] Like right.

[00:59:53] Somebody had to talk.

[00:59:54] This is when Omegas graduate.

[00:59:55] This is what happens.

[00:59:56] This is what happens when we graduate.

[00:59:57] Because we graduate.

[00:59:58] When we graduate, we're going to make it look good, baby.

[01:00:00] Every time. OK? Every time.

[01:00:03] But Sasha, anything else? Anything we missed?

[01:00:05] No. Oh, we got to talk about the Flamingo Gate.

[01:00:08] We have to talk about it.

[01:00:09] I just heard blocked it because that was triggering.

[01:00:12] Foolishness. Yeah.

[01:00:14] Sasha brought it up earlier.

[01:00:15] Your plus one needs to be a plus one.

[01:00:17] Simon comes downstairs in the flamingo because Simon likes attention.

[01:00:21] And this party, that's just the way Simon parties.

[01:00:24] He's like, how do I become the center of attention?

[01:00:26] I got to jump in the pool fully dressed.

[01:00:28] Do I have to jump up on the counter?

[01:00:31] How do I make myself seen?

[01:00:33] And I think I think for him, it's like cultural.

[01:00:35] He's trying to he's struggling to fit in.

[01:00:37] He's trying to figure out how to get in here.

[01:00:38] Y'all say it's a party.

[01:00:39] Everybody's dressed very nice.

[01:00:41] That's not really how I party.

[01:00:42] Everybody's dancing in lines.

[01:00:45] What happened to the people who are going to do the crazy thing?

[01:00:47] Where does Simon get in?

[01:00:48] Where you know, how does he get in where he fits in?

[01:00:50] But this pisses Bria off to no end.

[01:00:53] They have a huge fight about it.

[01:00:54] They almost break up.

[01:00:55] And then we find out that in the past, Bria has had to navigate

[01:00:59] Simon's functions as a black woman in Germany.

[01:01:02] And it has not been good for her.

[01:01:03] And she is trying to explain to him that he doesn't understand

[01:01:07] or see when she is on the other end of what happens

[01:01:11] when she's at those functions.

[01:01:12] But she always tries to make it accommodating for him

[01:01:14] when he's at her functions.

[01:01:16] Why was it so triggering you, Sasha?

[01:01:19] No, I OK, so I have never dated.

[01:01:23] I believe. Yeah.

[01:01:25] Yeah, I've never dated a non person of color.

[01:01:30] Never did a white person.

[01:01:31] So I don't know.

[01:01:32] But this this is why I feel like

[01:01:35] I can see why it has never worked out for me, because I just think

[01:01:39] even though I'm not black, obviously, and on top of that,

[01:01:43] he's dating a dark skinned black woman.

[01:01:46] So there's a lot more layers to that as well.

[01:01:50] But even then, it's just I feel like it's so frustrating

[01:01:54] to watch him do that disrespect rate like what's going on.

[01:01:57] I feel like when you're at a party, you have to read the room. Right.

[01:02:00] And if they're strolling and there's and there maybe they were stepping,

[01:02:03] but I don't think so. I think they were just trolling either way.

[01:02:06] I think they're honoring someone.

[01:02:08] And it was giving like the white frat boy.

[01:02:11] And I say this because I went to Oklahoma, like I went to school there.

[01:02:15] It is Greek life is huge at my school.

[01:02:19] So you could see like when, you know, the vibes were off

[01:02:23] because like people that weren't supposed to be there

[01:02:26] and didn't understand that they are the plus one.

[01:02:29] I'm like, take over and kind of act like, you know, a little bit more

[01:02:33] like a Chad or whatever the stereotypical right like chat.

[01:02:37] And you're just like, that's not the vibe of this.

[01:02:39] This is a celebration.

[01:02:41] This is, you know, part of that is like a celebration of someone's life

[01:02:44] and showing up in like this hot mess, Flamingo costume makes no doesn't check out.

[01:02:50] And I feel like this is where Greek life has helped me really understand,

[01:02:54] you know, the world in that way.

[01:02:56] So be like, oh, you really have to, like, know your place.

[01:02:58] And that's not a bad thing.

[01:03:00] And you can be yourself.

[01:03:02] But I think if you're coming into someone else's space,

[01:03:05] you have to act accordingly.

[01:03:07] And that's why it was triggered.

[01:03:08] And then we are telling him, hey, here's all the things

[01:03:12] that have happened to me when I'm out with you.

[01:03:14] I he did not say sorry.

[01:03:17] No, that that happened to you.

[01:03:19] Yeah. And even then, she says, I brought it to you in the moment.

[01:03:22] It's like you always miss it.

[01:03:24] You know, somebody told her,

[01:03:26] what was the quote?

[01:03:29] Oh, I didn't know he was into indigenous women.

[01:03:31] Yes. Like, what is that supposed to mean?

[01:03:33] Like, even if you thought that Bria was a quote unquote indigenous woman,

[01:03:37] what do you would say into it?

[01:03:38] Like like you didn't you didn't happen to be someone said, I'm into exotic.

[01:03:43] Yeah, you're exotic from what I remember.

[01:03:45] Yeah. Yeah. What is that?

[01:03:47] What does that mean?

[01:03:50] No. And this is why I just personally could.

[01:03:53] Not that I'm saying they aren't like aware people.

[01:03:57] I mean, you know, I am not painting with a broad brush,

[01:03:59] but I feel like nuances are missed.

[01:04:01] The issue is it is how it is, because it's our lived experience

[01:04:05] versus someone that has to learn it.

[01:04:07] So I'm not like shaming Simon.

[01:04:11] I'm just saying if your partner comes up to you and says this,

[01:04:14] you would just have to be like, shit, I got to do better

[01:04:19] and I need to learn. And I'm so sorry that happened to you.

[01:04:21] I feel like that's basic.

[01:04:23] And he's German, right?

[01:04:25] Yeah. And I think that might be a part of the issue, too.

[01:04:27] I just feel like Germans got to understand more than most countries.

[01:04:32] Yeah. Specifically. Yeah.

[01:04:33] Based on their their past with race and, you know,

[01:04:37] some of the more problematic sides of the history of Germany.

[01:04:40] You would be more tapped into that kind of stuff.

[01:04:43] But also make it like they are very they make an effort

[01:04:47] as a society to acknowledge those things for sure.

[01:04:50] Yeah. But at the same time, he's not African-American.

[01:04:53] I mean, like so like and he's not he's not white American either.

[01:04:56] So he might be tapped into, you know, the things and atrocities

[01:04:59] of German history.

[01:05:01] But when Brea starts talking about like, no, I'm a black woman,

[01:05:04] you're like black, indigenous or whatever, you know, like it's not the same.

[01:05:07] She's like, no, this is very different. It's very different.

[01:05:10] And when people make those offhanded comments,

[01:05:12] othering you, calling you black, indigenous, exotic,

[01:05:16] when you are just a person who came here to date this person

[01:05:19] and you're using it as a way to separate that person like, oh, so she's different.

[01:05:23] She's she's black. She's indigenous. She's exotic.

[01:05:25] She I didn't know he was into that kind of thing.

[01:05:27] What kind of thing? I'm a human being, you know, like the blackness,

[01:05:30] the indigenous side, it doesn't go away.

[01:05:33] But it's not something that you can use as a talking point

[01:05:35] to discuss why you would be into me or not,

[01:05:38] especially when it's a white conversation versus a black conversation.

[01:05:41] You know what I'm saying?

[01:05:42] If it's if it's like that, just based on historical context,

[01:05:46] it does feel like it is targeting, you know,

[01:05:48] it feels like you're coming at me in a in a way that I don't know how to react

[01:05:52] to this. And I'm in Germany when this happens, you know,

[01:05:55] so it's not like I can turn to the other black people in the room

[01:05:57] or, you know, to console me.

[01:06:00] I'm looking to my partner to console me.

[01:06:02] And you have not been doing a good job at it. So, yeah.

[01:06:06] And again, if you decide to date someone that is different from you

[01:06:10] and, you know, insert whatever different that may be right.

[01:06:13] Like it could be as simple as a man and like gender and not even race,

[01:06:18] even that like my husband is a South Indian.

[01:06:23] They are darker skin and colorism in India is like, listen, out of control.

[01:06:30] It's the worst. But anyway, and this is like in a consolidated effort

[01:06:35] that I have to make that my family isn't like, you know, being colorist

[01:06:38] or, you know, saying something that was a joke and maybe it was fine.

[01:06:43] But now that I'm married to someone,

[01:06:45] I'm more attuned to like, oh, this really could be an issue.

[01:06:50] And I can see how like that's offensive.

[01:06:53] We shouldn't be saying this stuff.

[01:06:55] So I just feel like that's part of loving your partner is like learning what

[01:07:00] you know, how you can where you're the majority, right?

[01:07:03] Whatever that may mean it in community, you have to play defense for them,

[01:07:08] not baby them, but like you have to play defense. It's ridiculous.

[01:07:12] Right. And I just think it's your responsibility

[01:07:14] to show up for the people that you care about. Right.

[01:07:15] So it's like even if you're not married to them or whatever, learn the things

[01:07:19] that you know, that that make them special

[01:07:22] and the things that also could harm them.

[01:07:24] And then that way you are a part of their support system. Right.

[01:07:27] And that you're not one of the many things

[01:07:29] that are tearing this person down, because we all have our thing.

[01:07:32] We all have some way that we are a victim to white supremacy culture. Right.

[01:07:36] And so I was like, you are too. Let's be black people are too.

[01:07:39] Yes. Like I said, we all are, you know.

[01:07:42] And so it's like to to to figure out what it is that harms that person

[01:07:46] and then make sure you're not doing the same thing and perpetuating those ideas.

[01:07:50] I think it's a bad idea.

[01:07:51] I think you're supposed to know, OK, boom, these are the things that don't fly.

[01:07:55] And then that way, not only do you know I have your back,

[01:07:58] but you can see me actively protecting you when this stuff comes up organically.

[01:08:02] And that's just what you do.

[01:08:04] You're right. Like I was just giving this example.

[01:08:06] But you're right.

[01:08:07] Like if you don't do that for your friends, like you're still not great.

[01:08:11] It's not a great friend. Yeah.

[01:08:12] So that's it. That's a wrap.

[01:08:14] Yeah. Season two episodes seven and eight.

[01:08:17] A lot of drama, a lot of mess.

[01:08:19] And we got one more episode to talk about because the finale is upon us.

[01:08:22] Finale and reunion.

[01:08:25] Finale and reunion. Yeah.

[01:08:26] And so we will be bringing you that as a double episode like we normally do.

[01:08:30] Episodes nine and ten should be out very soon.

[01:08:35] And so in the meantime, Sasha, thank you again for being here.

[01:08:38] Tell everybody what you're working on.

[01:08:39] Yeah. Thanks for having me again.

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