Summer House: Martha's Vineyard Season 2 Episodes 9 & 10 Recap

[00:00:00] What's up fam, welcome back to Recap Kickback where I'm here to talk about the season finale

[00:00:23] and extended uncensored reunion show of Summer House Martha's Vineyard season two. Okay, I'm

[00:00:31] Chappelle your host, and with me the person who introduced me to this crazy world of Summer House

[00:00:37] maybe for the for the last time for Martha's Vineyard? We'll see. We will see. With me we have

[00:00:44] my co host, Sasha. Sasha, welcome back.

[00:00:49] We're here for one last time in perpetuity.

[00:00:54] Yeah, for pause or as a pause. This might be a pause on our Summer House Martha's Vineyard coverage

[00:01:01] here. TBD.

[00:01:03] I can't believe it. I'm, I'm just in shock. Like, Bravo hates me and and I do take it personal. I'll

[00:01:12] say that. Because they hate shows with people of color and you can't talk about it. Talk about it,

[00:01:22] Sasha. Because Family Karma and all Indian cast gone. I'm again, I'm not saying the ratings were

[00:01:31] that great. But like, how do we push these shows more? You know, now Summer House Martha's Vineyard

[00:01:37] on pause. Southern Term New Orleans paused gone, whatever. Shaz of Sunset gone. I'm confusion.

[00:01:47] Yeah, it's not looking great. It's not looking great for these minority led shows. And we have a

[00:01:53] lot to talk about when it comes to that. But of course, I want to thank you all for being back

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[00:02:16] course, feel free to hop in the comments and let us know what you think about this season. There's

[00:02:21] potentially the last season of Summer House Martha's Vineyard. With a question mark, I will say

[00:02:26] that I let's leave a question mark on that just for a moment. And we will talk about all the things

[00:02:30] that happened leading to that point. So I we got to jump in, we got a finale, something that we don't

[00:02:38] see on the other show we talked about on the other Bravo show Sasha and I talked about below deck, we

[00:02:42] don't get finales anymore. So I was very excited that we got the Summer House Martha's Vineyard

[00:02:46] finale. And in that finale, Andy wasn't pulling any punches, Sasha. I mean, he came out the gate

[00:02:53] being shady.

[00:02:54] But then talked about nothing.

[00:02:57] Yeah, nothing.

[00:02:58] Andy was just dragging the cast. That's it. Yeah, like,

[00:03:02] yeah, he was just on Twitter, like, like making jokes. That's exactly how I feel.

[00:03:07] Amir has Natalie cut your balls off yet. It's like, Nope, still here.

[00:03:11] Like is your penis still here? Are you all right? Yeah, well, we don't know why they hate Jasmine.

[00:03:17] Yeah, and yeah, and it feels like Jasmine doesn't know either. So I definitely want to talk about all

[00:03:22] that. But overall, how did you feel about the finale slash reunion special of this season?

[00:03:31] I still think it was needed. I just felt like they just didn't cover enough. That's it. But I, I

[00:03:38] loved the finale. I felt like it was nice. We still you know, we still have some Nick Natalie

[00:03:44] drama and the gossip girls are gossip curling, of course. But all that to say, we need some single

[00:03:53] people.

[00:03:54] Yeah, these these couples be people coming in as as as pairs is it doesn't give us a lot of drama. I

[00:04:01] mean, Amir Natalie actually, as much as I would like to say that they're kind of some party

[00:04:05] poopers on this show. They are probably the biggest amount of like just organic drama that we've

[00:04:11] gotten in a minute. So yeah, I don't know. I'm like, I'm torn between being very annoyed at them and

[00:04:16] also being like, well, if they're not here doing this during the pod, then what is what's exactly

[00:04:20] going on? So we do have to talk about that. But this has been a wild season of television. We got

[00:04:25] Jasmine's pregnancy announcement. We got Alex drama, followed by some Nick drama, Shanice versus

[00:04:32] Summer, Natalie versus Nick with Amir as the proxy, so much to dive into. And, and a finale to follow

[00:04:40] up on some of the questions that we've been having. So one of the things I want to get out of the way, yes,

[00:04:45] we talked about it here on this podcast, Jasmine has had the baby. Very congratulations to them.

[00:04:51] Silas Jr. Yeah, baby Cooper is what they were calling it. Yeah, Coop is here. Get birth six months

[00:04:58] after the airing of the show. Jasmine seems like you know, she's taking some motherhood fine.

[00:05:02] Everything seems great. We didn't get any indication that there was any problem with that. And the

[00:05:07] finale episode ends with you know, it looks like the cast is rallying behind her. But in the reunion,

[00:05:13] we got a question for Jasmine and it said, Who do you think of the cast? And this is a wild question.

[00:05:19] Who do you think of the cast has been the least supportive of you your new baby? And I thought,

[00:05:25] we'll just laugh this question off, right? Like, who ranks who's the most supportive or least

[00:05:30] supportive when it comes to something like this? But Jasmine has an answer. She says, well, Summer.

[00:05:37] So not summer. She said, Well, Jordan, I'm not quite loving the things that you said on the show about my

[00:05:44] man. And I was like, Oh, because I forgot that. Yeah. Jordan had made the offhand comment that maybe this

[00:05:50] wasn't Silas's first rodeo when it comes to kids. What is what is Jordan getting at here? She says it

[00:05:57] was a joke. But is there any truth to what you say?

[00:05:59] Well, not to paint with a broad brush. But Silas is in the military. And there are some stereotypes that might

[00:06:11] be true of said military if you know what I mean. Right? Which is a very good joke. And it's rooted in some

[00:06:20] truth. But Jasmine seemingly took offense to this. And Jasmine and Jordan, based on what we can tell, they're

[00:06:29] still not on the same page after all of this.

[00:06:32] Yeah. And I must say, I think it's hard when Jordan says seven words, and six of them are shading you.

[00:06:41] Right? And the rest of just Jordan hand motions. Yep. Oh, my, I couldn't breathe.

[00:06:48] I couldn't breathe because it's the way we knew that. Right? Like, we knew that. Oh, yeah. Like Jordan is kind of

[00:06:56] hidden. She isn't really around a lot. She's not saying too much. She's dealing with her own journey, whatever,

[00:07:02] whatever. But then you actually put it together. And you're just like, oh, it's not just me that thing. She's on

[00:07:09] mute. Everyone just sees her and her mic is just like turned off at all times.

[00:07:14] Yeah, I mean, when she speaks up, you hear her for sure. Like, you know, Jordan's gonna make her opinion known.

[00:07:20] And she's gonna let us know exactly how she feels about whatever situation is going on. Like we've seen her get

[00:07:25] very, you know, I think Jasmine called it aggressive, you know, like, oh, like, I'll check you when you get

[00:07:28] aggressive. I hope you check me too. But for me, seeing that the initial friendship, right, that we got on this

[00:07:35] show was Jasmine and Jordan. And to see that it's kind of falling apart. And not in a very dramatic fashion. It's

[00:07:43] like, it's almost like a like little micro issues that they're having with each other, like little tiny things,

[00:07:48] little tiny cuts that are just building up. Because we even go back to the first season, Jasmine is trying to

[00:07:54] figure out why her and Jordan fell off. And Jordan's like, remember season one where you were trying to be

[00:07:58] matchmaker? I didn't like that. Are they still holding the grudge about this about the way she was acting?

[00:08:04] Because I don't know if they're like, that was a long time ago. I get it. But what are we doing?

[00:08:11] So here's the thing. I think that they just don't get along. Yeah, I think that's just the best way of saying

[00:08:18] it. Yes. And I don't know that they will ever be friends again, because they're in different stages. And I think

[00:08:25] there's ways to be friends right with married people. I don't think married people are like shunned or should

[00:08:31] be like, Oh, now you only do one thing. I think there's a way that you both have to meet in the middle with your

[00:08:37] maturing friendship. And they're just not able to do that. And I don't know that any of them that this is not

[00:08:45] calling anyone out. I just feel like either they just weren't that close of friends before, or they're just not

[00:08:50] girls girls.

[00:08:52] Yeah, it's tough. It's tough to be able to tell right because we obviously saw the I think a lot of people were

[00:08:57] anti Jasmine after the first even the viewership, right? Watching it and being like, Hey, stop, stop pushing

[00:09:03] these people together. Stop trying to force a relationship on Jordan all that stuff. So we move past that.

[00:09:07] And Jasmine tells us in the reunion special, that maybe she feels like she's not the same person that she was when she

[00:09:12] became friends with Jordan. And and that's okay. You know, I've changed Jordan was even saying it like it came off

[00:09:19] inauthentic. The way she's acting is not what I'm used to. She's like this homemaker now who's trying to matchmake

[00:09:24] everybody and she's so involved in trying to get everybody together. She's trying to sell me off to the highest bidder.

[00:09:29] And yeah, and it's a mirror who I don't want, you know, and, and, and just like, yeah, I hear that you see that. But

[00:09:36] for me, it's just that I'm not the person that you met. I'm now married. I now have other concerns, other interests,

[00:09:41] and we don't align on that. And so it looks like like you said, these two are never ever, ever getting back together

[00:09:48] ever. And again, that's fine. I just think there's a way to still make things work. You know what I mean? In a

[00:09:56] friendship in a relationship that isn't this toxic? That's my question about all of this. Like, why are we not

[00:10:04] letting Jasmine come to Jamaica? There was it actually never got answered.

[00:10:08] Well, yeah. So they took they talked about that at the reunion and they say, Okay, well, Jasmine, Mr. Jamaica trip.

[00:10:14] Jasmine's like, Yeah, I would love to know why everybody's mad at me because like, I can get why Jordan would be upset

[00:10:19] with me. I think she had had some beef with summer. And so she's like, well, I get why those two people are upset

[00:10:23] with me. But why was I not included? Why was I left off a bad and bougie? And, and she needs to do what who speaks up

[00:10:30] she says I was the first one to says, Yeah, I don't want you there. But it's because I don't want any drama. Jasmine

[00:10:35] pushes back and says, Oh, so I'm drama. And she says no. But with Noel having beef with you with Jordan having

[00:10:41] beef with you with X amount of people. I didn't want that to have to come you know, to come to the party, right? I

[00:10:46] didn't want that to be involved. For Shanice. I think that makes sense. Yeah. But for people like Preston, Jasmine

[00:10:53] is like, Hey, where were you? Where were your antennas when it was time because you and I are friends. And so

[00:10:58] yeah, the disillusion of Jasmine and Preston has been interested in a watch. Because not only is Jasmine impressed

[00:11:05] they were friends. Jasmine feels like she's responsible for pressing even meeting all of these people. Did you feel

[00:11:10] like she had a point?

[00:11:11] 100% Listen, I am big on hating friend jumpers. I'm like you and Jason hanging out without me. No, I'm just kidding.

[00:11:18] Oh, he sent three texts. And then we also planned a three trips twice. No.

[00:11:23] That's what I'm saying. And then I'm just kidding. But no, I just I do think that this does happen sometimes where

[00:11:30] people friend jump you. I just am. And I just mean it as confusion more than shade to Preston. I just want to know

[00:11:38] what happened. You see what I'm saying? Because he's Silas is line brother and he was in the wedding.

[00:11:45] Yeah. And when asked about Silas, he also says they asked who missed Silas this season. Preston's head does not go up

[00:11:54] for his own frat brothers slash line brother and you know,

[00:11:58] so to me is just it's again everyone else you know we can be like they just weren't ever friends. So you know you

[00:12:04] click with different people. One person is their job to bring everyone together but then you click and you move on

[00:12:09] with your life. But this was crazy because this does feel personal. And I do feel like there should be some loyalty

[00:12:18] damn to Jasmine or at least like update her on the why if nothing else right?

[00:12:24] Yeah, Preston's response is something to the effect of I didn't miss Silas because there was nothing to miss because we

[00:12:29] haven't talked in a while and he can take some accountability for that because Silas is gone. But also he hasn't really

[00:12:33] reached out. But I don't know that combined with everything else just kind of feels like what are you talking about?

[00:12:39] You know, because I got a lot of brothers and I don't talk to them all the time. But I don't know. I feel like if I go that

[00:12:46] long without talking to them, especially if they're overseas, like fighting for their country, you know, protecting the

[00:12:52] country or whatever, like their lives could be in danger. I probably would be a little bit more attentive to trying to

[00:12:59] make sure that relationship is you know, or at least check on my LBs. You know what I'm saying? So I don't know. It

[00:13:05] feels like there's something there that we're missing. Maybe maybe Preston isn't feeling the new Jasmine, you know, she

[00:13:10] says that she might not be the same person that Jordan met, but maybe, you know, married Jasmine and Silas aren't who

[00:13:17] Preston was comfortable with in the first place.

[00:13:20] Again, it's you would think Andy would ask all of these questions.

[00:13:26] He only had so much time, I guess. I don't know.

[00:13:29] Yeah, no, I don't know. I'm losing it.

[00:13:31] Yeah, these are the these are the questions I need to answer because we do have some more Preston drama. Apparently, at

[00:13:38] this time at the time of the reunion, Preston and Bria are no longer cool. You know, they say they're they're like

[00:13:44] siblings, they fight they you know, their relationship is hard to understand. But Bria blocked him. She's quick to block

[00:13:50] she blocked him on Instagram. And she says she will unblock him when they finally come together. Are you surprised by

[00:13:56] the breakup between Preston and Bria?

[00:13:58] No, because I bet you five days later, they're all yeah, it's fine. Yeah. I don't know.

[00:14:06] I don't could you be friends with someone where you're this on and off?

[00:14:10] No, no, I don't think I could either.

[00:14:13] Yeah, I need like a level of consistency. I'm just not I'm not really like, like, because it's so much it's so much

[00:14:18] drama. And I'm not laying that at the feet of Preston or Bria. Yeah, even though it'd be real easy to lay that at the

[00:14:24] feet of Bria, it would be so easy to do that. Like I'm not I'm not gonna do that. Because I think that she has some

[00:14:29] valid points to you know, talking about even some of the stuff that she sees on television, where there's some

[00:14:35] jokes made at her expense. I mean, on the first episode of Preston and I forgot about this clip of him talking

[00:14:42] about how she looks like she tried for you at Miss USA.

[00:14:47] Like damn, that's supposed to be your homie and they like they lighten you up in the confessional like that. It

[00:14:52] might be tough to let that go.

[00:14:54] And that's the thing. I just feel like they're everyone is just like being shady. So why don't we just let it go? You

[00:15:02] see what I'm saying? Like everyone has said and done wrong to each other. So why aren't we just being like, and what

[00:15:09] we're doing it for the show? Because all the juicy stuff I feel like is not even being recorded. It's them going on

[00:15:16] podcast like Noel is going on podcast giving us all this crazy tea. Then this person is here that person's on Twitter

[00:15:24] that person. What? Do it on camera.

[00:15:27] Yeah, please. Because some of the other off camera drama that we've gotten this season. Apparently Bria got arrested in

[00:15:36] the south of France. Yeah. Um, what? Where did that come from? This is news to me.

[00:15:43] And Preston was like, I call lawyers for you. And I was like, did you Google and call or were you?

[00:15:49] I think he does. He knows international lawyer. Yeah, it seems like he knew international lawyers and called in a

[00:15:54] favor. So Preston feels like because I did all that stuff for you, we should be better than this, right? Like you

[00:16:00] should not be able to be able to block me off of some offhanded comments on a television show, or whatever petty

[00:16:05] drama we have. And there's also some question about whether she even thanked him. He says you didn't even thank me

[00:16:12] for that. And Bria insists that she did. I don't think there's a world where he got lawyers involved for her and she

[00:16:18] didn't thank him. That just feels like I don't know, man. Right? I mean, I think that she probably didn't thank him in

[00:16:25] the way that he was ready to receive it. Right? Right. Yeah. I think that's why it was a little bit more. Yeah,

[00:16:33] because I'm thinking in the moment you're how who would it how who wouldn't thank someone in the moment? You know,

[00:16:38] I'm saying? Yeah, it feels a little off to me. But there's plenty of Bria drama to go around. Because yeah, Bria. I

[00:16:50] don't know. We start we start the final episode of the season. Yes. Talking about I guess, which is the big Bria drama,

[00:16:57] which is the blowout between her and Nick, where Nick is still not letting go of this conversation. I mean, we ended

[00:17:03] basically mid conversation last episode, but Nick is still trying to get to the bottom of why Bria is insinuating

[00:17:08] that he has wandering eyes. And specifically in her direction. And he even brings up the what is it the cuddle

[00:17:14] companion? Sleep Comfort Buddy. Yeah, Comfort Buddy or something like that. Yeah. I think Nick is making valid

[00:17:23] point. I'm telling you Sasha, if I'm Nick, I'm never letting this go. I'm sorry. You're not going to tell people on

[00:17:28] TV and then go to my girlfriend behind my back and tell her that, that I've been flirting with you. I've had wandering

[00:17:34] eyes. And then I'm supposed to just let it go. He's a better person than me. And write it off as girl talk. Listen,

[00:17:40] girl talking get crazy. But if there's not a girl, if sorry, if there is a girly that gets it out, you know what I

[00:17:48] mean? And tells everyone else? I don't like that. I don't know. Yeah, every time they bring it up, they're like, it

[00:17:54] was girl talk. You're talking about me though. You're talking about me. You know what I'm saying? And your

[00:17:59] perception of me matters. You know, especially if you're Nick, I feel like Nick is somebody who holds his

[00:18:03] perception in a high regard. Like he tries to present himself a certain way. He says, my run club looks at me a

[00:18:09] certain way. My friends and family look at me a certain way. I don't need this like underlying issue. People

[00:18:14] walking around talking about, I'm basically like waiting for the opportunity to cheat on my girlfriend. I don't

[00:18:19] need that being what's talked about when it comes to me. And these two episodes to me have been just been very

[00:18:27] damning for Bria because Bria in the moment is like, I wasn't, I don't even talk about you. What are you talking

[00:18:32] about? You Yeah, you you flirted with me and we're getting flashbacks. And I Sasha is the flirting in the room.

[00:18:39] Thank you because everyone is is act. I'm like, Are y'all acting? Do you want your Oscars? Because I don't see the

[00:18:46] flirting or if it is flirting. They're both flirting. Yeah. And and you know, sometimes you have that relationship

[00:18:52] with a friend where you're just kind of like whatever. That's just how y'all talk. But you both know that it's just

[00:18:58] in the moment. And that's it. That's what I was giving me. Yeah, but she's presenting it to us. Yeah, you know, from

[00:19:06] the television perspective, we see her presenting it like, like, oh, he's with somebody and he's flirting with me.

[00:19:12] Someone needs me. Yeah, exactly. And I don't think he pursued her at all even a little bit. So we get to our reunion

[00:19:21] special. I just don't think they hit this point hard enough. Because it's starting to feel like in her absence. The

[00:19:31] girls that that kind of stirred this up are really trying to put this on Natalie and move away from it.

[00:19:38] Which again, I think that is a smart thing to do.

[00:19:41] Yeah, of course. Yeah. Blame her. We don't know.

[00:19:44] Natalie's crazy ass now that everyone hates her anyway. It's her it's not us. It's her it's just like dragging her to hell and

[00:19:53] back. It's crazy to me.

[00:19:56] Yeah, especially because yeah, Natalie is the one who told Tasia but she would not have had anything to tell Tasia if y'all

[00:20:03] weren't speaking so recklessly about Nick in front of her. Now. Natalie is another person who we definitely have to talk

[00:20:10] about in this. This whole thing. She is our invisible other member of the house. You know, I'm saying like she's not an

[00:20:18] official member of the cast but she is stirred up so much in these last two episodes that I mean, she is probably the headline

[00:20:27] of this season is what is going on with Natalie and Amir and so we see you know on television that Natalie is involved in a lot

[00:20:37] of the drama like she's in anytime someone's in a conversation. She is the telephone. She is the one running it around. I cannot

[00:20:44] fault this woman. I know that sometimes when you get good juicy mess, you got to tell somebody so hey, it happens. But we're not

[00:20:50] gonna act like it didn't happen. You know, and I think from Amir standpoint, he had not watched the show. So he doesn't know that

[00:20:57] he did Natalie has been doing all that. So we're getting Nick. I mean, Amir in the real time being like now why are y'all

[00:21:02] talking about my girlfriend again? What's the issue? Wow. Why she's not even here to defend herself. She's already left.

[00:21:08] What's going on? And while they're telling him, hey, she was messy. He's like, No, y'all trying to put this on her while she's

[00:21:16] gone. And I think there's truth to maybe both of those things.

[00:21:20] That's what I was gonna say. And I also think like Amir is just not a like, trustworthy like person to listen to. He is so with her

[00:21:32] far up her ass. Thank you. They probably taste what she had, you know, which is for breakfast. He has for dinner. It's fine. That's a

[00:21:39] relationship. But he's not reliable to me. And I just can't believe she didn't get more drama from Nick, right? Like, Nick should

[00:21:49] have been like, No, she did be messy. Because the girls ended up, you know, pulling back and Tada, she's the only one left

[00:21:58] standing.

[00:22:00] Well, she dips before all of this happens. But when the smoke clears, Simon is gone. And so is Natalie. They're both gone. But

[00:22:08] everybody else has to deal with the wrath of Nick. And then even the backdoor argument with Amir because later on he hears that

[00:22:15] the girls are talking about this. He's like, well, Natalie is not there to defend herself. So y'all should bring me into the

[00:22:20] conversation. What exactly is happening? And so Bria addresses it. And Amir doesn't like the answers he's getting. And next thing

[00:22:30] you know, they're in a shouting match. And I believe Bria said something to the effect of I don't like to argue, which is which is

[00:22:38] why because you do something you don't like a lot. Like,

[00:22:42] like a lot.

[00:22:43] And

[00:22:46] so embarrassing. I mean, listen, city girls up 1000 because Amir, but I just don't understand him. Like, do you think that he just you

[00:22:56] know, there are those people, right? They just want to be in a relationship so bad. That they'll just put up with it. Because how

[00:23:02] are you gonna get the loan in your name, but the deed is under her name?

[00:23:07] Oh, yeah. Yeah. So let's jump to that. Sorry. No, we're covering two episodes. The reunion is definitely gonna color away a lot of

[00:23:18] yeah, exactly. So I know this is perfectly fine, because it's been a year and a half. And there's already a home being purchased by

[00:23:27] Amir and Natalie. And yeah, she she got the deed. But if the loan has his name, and Andy says it best, what could possibly go wrong

[00:23:39] with that? Right? It should be fine.

[00:23:43] And everyone laughed in that man's face.

[00:23:46] Yeah, that's, that's probably the most the most difficult part for Amir is that, you know, he looked at Natalie as somebody who came

[00:23:53] in, she was doing something nice for Tasia and telling Tasia about the potential, you know, Nick issue. And, and he did that. And

[00:24:01] now he's seeing a lot of conflicting information, right? And then he's going back home to Natalie, who's probably like, who would

[00:24:08] you believe me or your lying eyes, you know? And he kind of like, damn, we bought a house. We're in a relationship. It's my job to

[00:24:20] believe you, you know, we talked about this on our podcast about below deck where sometimes even when you're wrong, you want your

[00:24:27] partner to stick beside you, you know, and I think Amir is getting to the point where it's hard. It's hard to ignore the amount of

[00:24:36] influence Natalie had while she was in the house on some of the drama that was happening.

[00:24:40] Listen, you cannot distinguish the red flags when they're all red. Yeah. That's what's happening. And I think he is so 10 toes down for

[00:24:52] her that now he's in too deep. He's like, No, but the clown suit is fully on let alone the nose. So now I just have to sit in this and I

[00:25:01] will tell you that this is the newest fashion that you didn't know about baby because this clown suit a one that's where Amir is he's

[00:25:09] gone. Because how can the whole cast tell you that they don't think this girl's right for you and you're still like not embarrassed?

[00:25:18] Instead, you just want her on the cast.

[00:25:21] Yeah, yeah. He says, um, Natalie would love to come back and be on the show to tell her point of view of what happened. I'm like,

[00:25:30] Natalie, we seen it. We saw it. We saw what happened. Um, and Amir,

[00:25:37] is she this is not what the show is about.

[00:25:39] Yeah, she is becoming unofficial cast member. I think she's more likely to come back to a show like this than Amir is, you know,

[00:25:46] yes. Yeah, I'm gonna be on summer house like regular.

[00:25:49] Right, because there's a moment when she leaves. And Amir says, Oh, okay, Natalie is gone. And I'm worried because when she was here, I didn't

[00:26:01] have to worry about getting in trouble. But with her leaving, I have to go back to tempering myself. What does that do you hear yourself

[00:26:08] Amir? You have to temper yourself because she's gone. You should act the same way when she's there and then she's not there. Think that Oh,

[00:26:16] because I act like this all the time. This is fine. Like the way that you present yourself should not change because she left. So

[00:26:23] that other person a reason to think that you're being shady.

[00:26:27] Exactly, even though you're not so you're like, you're putting yourself in time out for something you ain't even did. So she don't have to

[00:26:34] charge you up. Do you hear this? Dog? Come on, man. Come you. You said it. You said it. It wasn't us. You said it out loud.

[00:26:44] And they're like fighting about what Chappelle about? Oh, you looked at Jordan. Jordan don't want him. Right? Nobody wants your man.

[00:26:55] And it wasn't even Jordan. It was not Jordan. He he thought it was Jordan. Yeah, this is it, bro. This really was happening. So I thought

[00:27:04] some prayers out to Amir because he felt like this feels like this Natalie relationship is really putting maybe a strain on his friendship

[00:27:10] with everybody else. Obviously, it's really hard to be a bunch of people who don't respect your relationship. So I'm imagining that things

[00:27:16] aren't that great. But we even see that him and Nick who have been cool. Um, they have not bounced back from this at all. And I think

[00:27:23] it's probably because Nick wants Natalie and Amir to really take accountability for her participation in this. And they have not been

[00:27:31] able to come to an agreement about this, you know, in a mirror was the one who was kind of like again, since he's so in the Natalie

[00:27:38] corner, he's he's talking about the way he would act versus the way Nick is acting said Nick has wandering eyes. And it's literally a

[00:27:46] scene of the you know, all of the girls in the house twerking next to him and him looking. Yes. But look, I don't care. I was like,

[00:27:55] Sasha, you're married. How would you feel in this moment? Do you feel like Amir has a good point about the way Nick is interacting in

[00:28:02] that moment? Because he wants to be very clear that he's not saying Nick has a wandering out all the time. Just those times.

[00:28:10] So if, listen, I'm jealous. But if Karthik like my husband comes to me and is like, Oh my god, this crazy thing happened. I'd be like, Oh my

[00:28:18] god, tell me more. Like what happened? And what I like tease him. I'd be like, Oh, you just wanted to look well, of course. But it to me,

[00:28:29] it's human nature to watch. What if I'm watching people, I will be like, Oh my god, what's going on? Like, why are you dancing like

[00:28:37] that? Or Oh, I want to do you know, whatever that may mean. I just really, it's only human to look what what has happened. It's not like he

[00:28:47] was being a creep like, you know, like the bird man like the hand and the mouth, you know, licking his lips like he's just like, what's

[00:28:55] happening? If anything, let's not forget the freak Nick where Shawniece was like, but hey, I'll mess with you tonight. Sorry, Tasia. What

[00:29:06] about that? That's okay to say about your friend that's in a relationship. So I just feel like if you have that relationship, right, where you

[00:29:13] can say that about someone to be like, I'm gonna have sex with you tonight, because you look really good, then you should also

[00:29:20] understand that when you're twerking, they might look at you. That's all I'm saying. It just has to be like, apples to apples. Like

[00:29:26] they're just it to me. They're just talking to talk. Yeah, because it feels like they're to me. They're holding Nick to a standard about

[00:29:34] like his eyes when nobody seemed to holding themselves to a standard about the dancing, right? It's like Nick should not look at the

[00:29:40] people dancing next to him. It's like, well, maybe you shouldn't dance next to the person who's in a relationship. Like we all hold

[00:29:44] each other accountable. You know what I'm saying? But if they can friendly dance next to me, I can really look you know, I'm

[00:29:50] saying as long as we don't cross any boundaries, but I don't Amir says this as if that's the woman he's talking about. But the show

[00:29:58] does make it look like Amir saying that about Nick in general, like I would never do that with my girlfriend because Natalie would

[00:30:03] you know, she cut my thing off. You know what I'm saying? Um, so this is this is tough because I liked Amir season one by the end of

[00:30:12] season two. I'm like, okay, the Natalie and Amir stuff while it is a source of drama, it seems to be making it uncomfortable for

[00:30:20] the rest of the cast to even exist. And knowing that we get a pause, I'm questioning you know, if that's part of the reason you

[00:30:30] know that they're never able to come back around on some of these like, you know, hot topics because we find out Nick and Tasia are

[00:30:37] no longer together. And it is hard to believe that this didn't have something to do with it.

[00:30:43] That's what I was gonna say. And just the way right you and I talked about this last episode, but the way Nick talked about Tasia in the

[00:30:50] confessionals, it was giving like, Oh, I need to make sure I'm saying all the right things. I need to make sure I'm you know, like

[00:30:58] saying that I love this person that I'm with. It just felt a little bit too. This is how I should act.

[00:31:08] Because you know, they feel the confessionals afterwards. So like maybe by that time he was already in hot water or it was already

[00:31:14] ending. He's saying like, here are all the ways that I should have presented myself better. But yeah, they broken up and Nick was

[00:31:22] telling us that he was ready to propose and all kinds of other stuff like it is a hell of a fall from grace, you know, for this

[00:31:30] relationship. Now, RIP to their relationship. But also, if Summer Miles Martha's Vineyard comes back with a single Nick, we might get

[00:31:39] some good TV.

[00:31:40] That's what I'm saying. I was like, they robbed us of single Nick. I feel like Nick would single Nick will be what Alex we what we

[00:31:49] thought Alex would be.

[00:31:50] Mm hmm. Yeah, like a good time having fun maybe in some mess or whatever. Maybe some love triangles or something like that. But yeah,

[00:31:59] this whole time he's been so loyal to Tasia that you know, although he's got some touching conversations have happened, you know,

[00:32:05] where he's like temper that but aside from that, I mean, like, yeah, nearly done nothing. He ain't met nobody. You know, he

[00:32:12] hasn't he haven't hooked up with nobody. He's not flirting with anybody unless you agree with Bria that inviting somebody to Nobu is flirting

[00:32:19] with them. Okay. But if you want to pay for my Nobu bill, that's crazy. Right? I do think you're in love with me for doing. You know,

[00:32:30] all right, so you must be obsessed with me. You want to buy me a $20 taco that's smaller than my fist? Obviously.

[00:32:37] Bye. Yeah. You at least you want to have sex with me. Obviously. Look at yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you're drunk enough, as Bria says, if

[00:32:44] you're drunk enough, I'm just saying we were both single and you were saying that about your partner to be like, if they were drunk

[00:32:52] enough, I could get it. And then acting like it was nothing like we say. What are you talking about? Like, Bria Come on, man.

[00:33:01] Then don't be mad that he's looking at you twerking. What? That's what I'm saying. I haveocracy. And no one's calling it out because I

[00:33:11] feel like everyone comes in with an agenda. And they don't care who fits it or doesn't. Yeah, no, everybody's trying to tell them get their

[00:33:19] last little piece of information out for like to kind of talk about what stood out to them the most in the season, which is why we keep

[00:33:26] seeing Jasmine kind of being like now back to why everybody's mad at me. You know, when I'm like Jasmine chill, you know, chill. Like,

[00:33:32] we, we like you. We like you. Let me figure out the rest of this drama. That's more interesting. No disrespect. The other drama we get

[00:33:40] some big drama, obviously, Shanice versus summer. And then summer versus the world. So you mean pick a beef? Pick pick a beef with

[00:33:51] autumn? Yeah, pick a beef with summer. And just go from there. She's she's beefing with Noel.

[00:33:56] Oh my god. And Noel has gone on multiple podcasts talking all this stuff about summer. So the biggest piece I will say about Noel is like

[00:34:09] Noel did not let up on summer. She's like, Oh, Andy, you want her to keep talking? No, I'm gonna finish. Yeah, the talk.

[00:34:18] Okay, so the conversation with Andy is it goes as such, we have to catch up with summer because summer left the episode she quit a day

[00:34:26] early kind of like us. Some other people that we've seen in below deck, you know, recently, if you caught that finale, you know exactly

[00:34:33] what we're talking about. But summer does just this, she waits till the end of the summer and then she leaves before everybody else does.

[00:34:39] Because she just can't be involved in a lot of the drama anymore. It's gotten too heavy. It's too much. And her and Noel are not going to be on

[00:34:45] the same page at the end of the season. And by the reunion, they're still not on the same page. Because when summer tells her version of

[00:34:52] the story, she says, I told Noel, that Alex was inside of me. I did. And then Noel proceeded to still go after him. Noel interrupts to

[00:35:05] because to make sure it's clear that summer had not said those things about Alex, and then Noel was not aware that they had hooked up.

[00:35:15] Summer feels like when you say you hung out with somebody, that's the implied meaning, which is crazy.

[00:35:23] Out of I'm gonna ask you, who do you believe? Who do you believe? Who do you believe?

[00:35:26] So Noel also went on this other podcast, um, and was talking about this again. And yeah, she was like, she just kept saying like, it was for the

[00:35:35] show summer. And that it was like, just a flirting thing. We hung out and Noel was like, I hang out with my brother. I don't hang out like sex is

[00:35:44] sex. I think you shouldn't say hook up. I don't say hanging out is crazy.

[00:35:49] Does hook up automatically mean sex? Or is there like a gray area?

[00:35:51] For me it does.

[00:35:53] Okay.

[00:35:54] Like why are you are you like five?

[00:35:56] I don't know. Yeah, what if they got drunk and like started kissing in the club? Like make you know love in this club type situation.

[00:36:02] Then I think you have to say like we kiss. I think when you say hook up, it means more than upper body like boob touching.

[00:36:12] Yeah, like, yeah, you got you like hook up is like on the on this side of the meter. Yeah. What about um, window and survivor said you kicked it? How

[00:36:20] was kicked it?

[00:36:21] No, that again, that's hanging out.

[00:36:24] That's hanging out. Yeah. So there is a gray area there. And I think Noel, like you said, her agenda was to make sure that nobody was going to allow

[00:36:31] summer to lie and say that Noel was under the impression that she was breaking the girl code, right? That she was going after somebody who, who summer was

[00:36:42] interested in and had been with intimately. So we do talk about the events of that night. And yeah, I think what we ultimately land on is that Noel doesn't

[00:36:50] trust summer. He's like, nah, summer trying to pay me as a liar, and I refuse to let it happen. And so there's no love between those two people anymore.

[00:36:58] And it's kind of sad because we do see at the end of the season that Noel really was trying to make an effort to meet summer where she was, but summer is just going

[00:37:06] through so much at the time that there's no healing there. Not not at the time of filming.

[00:37:13] Yeah, and turns out this is a big drop for me, because there's some like basketball game drama, but like it's too much y'all check it out. But the biggest thing was

[00:37:23] and it's from the campire. That's their Twitter name. They posted a few videos. And it says that summer of course lied about the extent of the relationship with Alex because

[00:37:35] summer dated or was actually dating Noel's roommate.

[00:37:40] Oh, okay. Yeah. All right. So it comes full circle. Yeah.

[00:37:46] So I think there's just like a lot of entanglements. And a lot of people have gotten caught up in this that shouldn't have been.

[00:37:54] Yeah, and the show does lead us to believe that a lot of it is summer's fault, because so much of her personal issues right now. But I mean, as far as I'm concerned, at some point, you know, you gotta you have to be able to learn how to process these things.

[00:38:10] I think someone brings it up. Like, okay, well, do I think it's Alex says, Well, because you're hurt and you've gone through trauma, does that automatically give you a pass to then hurt people and then just be like, well, you know, I'm going through stuff.

[00:38:24] And summer points out that yeah, but I also don't know that I can't process things like that until it happens, right? Like it happens. And then you have to deal with it. And everybody's going to deal with those things differently. And so

[00:38:35] I'm willing to extend summer some grades. I hope everybody else does. But also don't think you have to take abuse, you know, and so for Noel, it's clear that you need to separate yourself from this. And maybe y'all don't have to be friends. But summer sounds like she's open to it.

[00:38:47] Um,

[00:38:48] yeah, that's what I'm saying. I just think there's a way to correctly say like, I thought that hooking up or hanging out is the same thing. And I'm sorry that you didn't understand it. Fine. Right? I think that's fine. And then to like, it felt a little bit gaslighting when she was like, but I told you, I told you, I'm sorry, I didn't wasn't explicit, like saying he was bleep, bleep, bleep, you know, inside me what, you know, like naming all

[00:39:17] these things. I just really she's being petty. It's not necessary. And I do think that Noel was like left out to try a little bit.

[00:39:25] Yeah, well, there is another moment to where summer says, and I once you found out that he was inside me, you still pursued him. And I was like, wait, what? But no, well, completely shuts that down. She's like, we flirted in the house. That's it. We never pursued him. So yeah, miscommunication all around or, or summer feels completely differently about the situation, you know,

[00:39:49] to the Alex conversation. Yes. Alex is accused repeatedly of being an F boy. He claims he never used that word. Summer has put that word on him. And, you know, Jasmine's confused about why you would say that about Alex, the audience is apparently confused because we get a question that says we've never seen Alex do anything except be transparent about his feelings and about what he wanted. And then you all have been projecting everything that's going on.

[00:40:19] And you know, I don't know if you guys have been projecting anything else upon him. But Alex does say something very interesting. He says, Yeah, I could have easily been an F boy. Look at Noel. She's right there. She's beautiful. I could have been an F boy with him. But I chose to do the right thing. And I'm like, Oh,

[00:40:32] I'm saying they are not like me. They're not toxic, like me. Because I would have been like, and that is what F boys say. I was like, you're not an F boy. I was like you, I would have been like, you are the president of F boys, because F boys are dumb. And you know, they, they, that's the stupid games. What you do is even it's like a PhD and F boy, where you, you will act like you're a good person and say I love love. Oh my god, blah, blah, blah.

[00:41:02] And then do all this shady stuff. Yeah, it was very much. They let him get away with too much. That was Yeah, I even I flinched at home. I was like, Come on, man. Damn it. You had them. You had them on the ropes. You know, he said that and they're like, What does that mean? He goes, No, no, no. I mean, like, um, I did what was good for me. I'm like, Yeah, you trying to save it. But the F boy slipped right out because the idea that I'm doing what I am perceiving y'all to want me to do to present myself as a good person.

[00:41:32] It's like, but you're doing it intentionally. Right? You're not it's not like that's not who I am. That is what I am giving you. Right? I did all the boxes. Why are you not okay with this? You know, it's like you're covering your ass the whole time to make sure that Okay, I said these things. So I was I was very intentional about saying I'm I was transparent. So I said we were not in a relationship and I didn't want more. But then you go and treat that person like you want more, right? You go and have sex with them, you take them out, blah, blah, blah.

[00:41:59] And then when I say, Well, we're in a relationship. Like, Nope, I never said that. It's like, you didn't. But your actions these are great, but I'd never read it. I told you, you know, it's always it felt like he almost got caught slipping a little bit there. Alex, I have to come on, man. You was you were doing so well. City boys was just

[00:42:15] playing with the rookies. So that's why I think he gets off the he's not an F boy, blah, blah, blah. But it's so obvious that he is. And that's why I help but giggle because I was like, I wouldn't want to mess with him. He would I think have me in a blender too.

[00:42:31] Yeah, that's a dangerous man. Because he knows what he knows what they looking for. And he's willing to give it to him. And you know, and then he goes back into like, it's all Zen. It's all peaceful. You know,

[00:42:41] that's the worst kind because then you're just like in shambles. And they're just quiet and staring at you while you're having a breakdown.

[00:42:48] Yeah, but the fellas we needed this we need we need Alex in the house because Lord Amir got us down bad. I mean, just dear God, you know, but come on, Alex.

[00:42:56] Yeah, he's doing the Lord's work. He's keeping us in the game because there's no reason why this should still be happening. Another one of summer's beefs because there are so many to go around. Shanice I was surprised by this. But where the hell did this come from? We still talking about the Shanice clothes drama.

[00:43:17] So I think they needed to have Shanice talk. So that's why.

[00:43:23] Are you surprised at how this went? Andy gives summer a chance to walk it back. Hey, if you could do anything differently, not he doesn't say change your opinion about Shani. Yes. If you could take it back and you would not have said anything. Could you just not say anything about it? And someone says no.

[00:43:44] I said what I said. She is the worst dressed in house. I answered the question. I don't understand the problem. She's had plenty of time. She's had plenty of time to get close. What is happening?

[00:43:54] And she wasn't even Oh my god, not only that she even it wasn't even her question.

[00:44:00] It wasn't even her question.

[00:44:02] Amir is like, who's the worst dressed in the house? And you jumped on it.

[00:44:08] Yeah, I'm just so insecure. Like, again, these like these mean girls are so losers to me because I just feel like there's a way to cut them down and none of these girls are doing it. I feel like everyone was like letting the the quote unquote villain. I don't think someone's a villain, but I'm just saying like, Alex, right? Like the person that did you wrong. You're just letting them win. It's embarrassing. Stand up.

[00:44:36] Yeah, Shanice even calls it out. She says, if I'm such a bad dresser, why did you come to me the next day asking for my sweater? And even then someone like because you couldn't wear it as good as me. You could never dress like you're also like,

[00:44:49] I know how to style it. Yeah, you can pair it like I was looking around like bro, this is your friend. Y'all can't be friends. They're not friends.

[00:44:57] No way my friend. Because then she's like also on watch what happens live now that you've got money. I still think it looks bad.

[00:45:06] Bruh.

[00:45:07] Oh, my god. Terrible.

[00:45:11] From a friendship standpoint. That's over. That's a wrap. You would have to clown me on TV like that.

[00:45:19] I mean, I'm not saying that she's not good. Why are they acting like she's some like Shrek looking person that can't dress. She looks great.

[00:45:28] I need more summer on television. I'm sorry. You know, look, yeah, we saw her in hell this season. She was going through she had a lot of personal trauma that we did we see her trying to work through. It seems like she's figured that out. And she's still mean. And she's still mean as hell.

[00:45:44] And she does. She did say I don't think she wants to come back for season three. So like, I wonder if that was part of it where a lot of people are like, well, we just don't want to come back. Fine. There is more Chappelle will come.

[00:45:56] Yeah, I will not. But But I have seen on Facebook, that despite the pause, they're still taking applications for season three. A lot of the people in my Facebook network have been posting about how they have been applying for the show still.

[00:46:13] So yeah, so it's it feels to me like they're putting it on pause so they can recast and go with a different group of people. And

[00:46:22] you must and you you will be nucleus you see when you bring your friends can can I come for like when all the other like non black

[00:46:31] like, okay, we're bringing in Simon and Sasha.

[00:46:37] Yeah, um, we have we haven't really talked about Simon at all. Bria and Simon are still go they're still holding strong. But the entire cast has come to her separately and says, Simon is a clout chaser. He's only he's really only like messing with Bria because she's on television.

[00:46:57] And Bria kind of confirms that she says he doesn't have they don't have this in Germany. So he likes it. And maybe that's why he decides to show his ass and try to get all the attention on him. Were you surprised by this element of their relationship?

[00:47:12] I feel like is this a relationship or is this a at this point, maybe at least I'll say is a relationship or is this a agreement? Simon?

[00:47:23] So are we just like, oh, you know, maybe she's okay with that. Because if your um, significant other tells on TV that they have another soulmate. What are we doing?

[00:47:40] Sasha, you are married. You watch this scene. Bria is telling people in the house. My soulmate is not Simon. My soulmate is in Tribeca. You you are Simon in this moment, Sasha put I want you to be in these shoes. You hear your lovely husband Karthik saying I'm married to Sasha. He's my partner in life. She is not my soulmate. My soulmate is in Tulsa. What are you doing?

[00:48:14] What do you say?

[00:48:15] I say I need bail money.

[00:48:17] There is no way. Here's the thing. I don't believe in soulmates. I think people put so much pressure on your partner. soulmate idea is stupid. I'm sorry. It's not because you don't love your partner. I just think that those crazy people that like put so much pressure on one person, right?

[00:48:40] Like, oh, this one person has to give me everything. And they have to be the yin to my yang. And they have to do x, y and z. No, they're just a great person that you want to spend the rest of your life with. And guess what? If you're doing life right, you should be meeting interesting people for the rest of your life.

[00:49:00] Like, it's crazy to think that you're not gonna be can I'm not I don't mean like, you know, relation. Like, I don't mean romantically, you'll be meeting other people. But I just feel like you're always going to meet interesting people like for us doing podcasts. For folks that don't know, Chappelle and I are part of this Robinson podcast class of 2020. And we were not we didn't know people, right? That talked reality TV in our real lives.

[00:49:30] And then we all met each other. And it feels so exciting. That's not something I share with my partner, because he's just not into that stuff. That doesn't mean he's all of a sudden not like the person I want to spend the rest of my life with. And now this new person's my soulmate is just people meet, like exciting people. And you should be cultivating friendships. Like I hate people that put so much pressure on their relationships. It's dumb assery. And that's why I think Bri is not in love with him. And that's why I think that it's just a

[00:49:59] it's just a convenience and that he supplies her lifestyle that she wants.

[00:50:05] Yeah, because she says the long distance is the thing that really puts a strain on their relationship, right? She says, I'm not there to clean for him to cook for him while he manages his business. And so

[00:50:16] imagine someone saying that to you to be like, the only reason Chappelle is mad at me is because I'm not cooking and cleaning for him.

[00:50:25] Right. Meanwhile, you're on TV telling people I'm not your soulmate and that you have a different like, if you don't believe I'm your soulmate.

[00:50:30] And asking people to co-sleep with you.

[00:50:32] Right. Right.

[00:50:37] Is Bria what we think Nick is?

[00:50:42] Probably, you know, I'm just, you know, I think I think Bria might see a lot of herself in Nick or be projecting a lot of herself onto Nick. You know, like, yeah, because why do you feel this way?

[00:50:53] Um, and Nick notably left her hanging when she brought up the co-sleeping issue. So, um, interesting that that's those are the two people who are on, you know, in that argument.

[00:51:04] Yeah.

[00:51:05] Yeah. We also get the update about Simon and Bria's conversation about Nick's party that was in honor of his line brother. Basically, we all agree that it was not the time or the place for him to bring out the flamingo and to, to really push that get the attention on him.

[00:51:23] You know, um, but when the cast talks about it, they all have come to Bria separately and said, we were not loving. We're not loving the Simon of it all.

[00:51:34] And so they do a good job of presenting that they're very welcoming to Simon on television.

[00:51:38] And I think they do enjoy him around, but they don't feel like this is the person for Bria.

[00:51:42] So then we have two relationships now that are up in, I won't say up in the air, but that the family does not support.

[00:51:48] You know, we don't, they're not a fan of the Bria and Simon and they're not a fan of the Natalie and Amir. To me, give me Bria and Simon every time. I'm just, I'm sorry.

[00:52:02] Yeah.

[00:52:03] My God. It's just, I don't know.

[00:52:08] It makes me laugh because Bria is a hot mess, but she gives everything.

[00:52:15] Simon is a great plus one in that he gives us mess when he shows up.

[00:52:21] What more do I want?

[00:52:23] Yeah.

[00:52:24] Um, we definitely don't.

[00:52:26] Well, again, that's why I said I'm kind of torn on the Natalie and Amir of it all.

[00:52:30] Because although they're boring while they're together, Natalie is definitely just gave us the mess that we needed to carry us to what potentially could be.

[00:52:38] She shook things up.

[00:52:40] Yeah. And I think that might be what we need for the next season of Martha's Vineyard if it ever comes back.

[00:52:45] What if they take Natalie, they make her the center of the friend group and they use the Natalie friends to build the new season?

[00:52:53] Because it doesn't feel like this group of people is going to be back on our television screens.

[00:52:57] I've been seeing a lot of social media posts, a lot of people saying like, hey, we gave it a good run.

[00:53:02] But, you know, we're going to work on ourselves and we're going, you know, we might not be back.

[00:53:07] Me and my cast were all rolling as people.

[00:53:10] It felt like a lot of goodbyes, Sasha.

[00:53:12] Yes.

[00:53:13] And that's what I'm saying.

[00:53:14] I wonder maybe that we are making a too big of a deal.

[00:53:18] Maybe the pause is to just get a new cast.

[00:53:22] But that would that would suck, though, you know, because we see a lot of these Bravo cast last for a long time.

[00:53:26] You know, you get to grow older with the people.

[00:53:29] But also I think you only want a specific group of like age range and group of people for these people.

[00:53:33] Right. Eventually they're going to get to the point where like, OK, y'all are all in relationships.

[00:53:38] Yeah. And having children and stuff, maybe maybe it's time to move on to, you know, something else.

[00:53:46] Maybe.

[00:53:47] Oh, it's terrible, I must say.

[00:53:51] But the thing is, and maybe I'm crazy, but I just feel like.

[00:53:56] There is a moment right that Jersey Shore captured, and I think all these reality TV's cast have been trying to get back there.

[00:54:10] Yeah. And we want that energy.

[00:54:12] Yes. And I just think that you have to have seriously unhinged people that have never heard of reality TV.

[00:54:20] That's the only way that Jersey Shore crazy concept works, because those people were going nowhere.

[00:54:26] They were going to the damn store and right to party.

[00:54:30] That's it.

[00:54:31] Literally, Jim Tan and Laundry were there like their hobbies, you know, and drinking.

[00:54:37] That's what we need.

[00:54:38] These people have too much depth.

[00:54:40] We have people that somehow these people are smart, they're successful.

[00:54:44] They got money.

[00:54:45] They got a degree.

[00:54:45] You know, whatever metric you're using, these people are presenting themselves like an upper echelon.

[00:54:50] And, you know, and sometimes you need to go the opposite direction, you know, is that not a respect to the Zeus network?

[00:54:57] But I think they might have the right idea over there.

[00:55:00] Not the Zeus.

[00:55:01] Hey, them people over there be wildin.

[00:55:03] They don't care who sees.

[00:55:05] That's what I'm saying.

[00:55:06] Like, unfortunately, that's what works.

[00:55:09] And I'm not saying it's the right thing to do.

[00:55:12] But I also do wish that they were just more single people because I don't care necessarily just to watch folks stuck on Martha's Vineyard and just kind of talking.

[00:55:25] Yeah, and that's the thing, you know, like, do we need to present more prominent black figures or more successful or as president?

[00:55:34] You know, in his disdain, he was pointing out that the idea of black excellence in and of itself is just saying, like, OK, we think we're better than people because we've checked

[00:55:41] out these boxes.

[00:55:42] Right. And so I was like, do we need a show for that?

[00:55:44] Maybe we do. We need space for everybody.

[00:55:46] Right. Everybody needs to be represented.

[00:55:48] But if you're going to give us a show that represents that, but it's also messy, you've got to give us the mess.

[00:55:52] And I think the mess here is like a lot of people in relationships that are like, oh, kind of sniping at each other a little bit.

[00:55:59] You know, a lot of friends that are just not not seeing eye to eye and their little conversations.

[00:56:04] And then when you bring in these extra people, that's when you really get the pot stirred.

[00:56:08] So if you want a messy show, you got to give us a mess.

[00:56:10] You know, this this is almost there.

[00:56:12] I think that the show is good.

[00:56:13] I'm very much enjoying it.

[00:56:15] But, you know, we're bringing up old drama to talk about the reunion that to me is kind of kind of whole home.

[00:56:22] Even in this episode, we get Andy talking about the Ellen Mariah.

[00:56:26] All right. Come on.

[00:56:29] We still doing this. My nose literally say who cares?

[00:56:32] Yeah. Come on. Mariah wants Amir to apologize.

[00:56:36] She feels like he did not apologize enough.

[00:56:37] Interesting enough, Jasmine does kind of lean toward Mariah's side.

[00:56:41] She said that Amir was trying to act like he had nothing to do with it.

[00:56:44] I kind of hands off like I feel the situation when he probably should have asserted himself and said, you know what?

[00:56:49] My bad. And taking more accountability.

[00:56:52] But I don't know. I'm kind of with Amir on this.

[00:56:54] You know, the hair is not why I were fighting.

[00:56:56] Y'all were fighting because you don't like Bria.

[00:56:59] I think that he had a part in it, but he is not.

[00:57:03] It's a minor part.

[00:57:04] Right. But he did.

[00:57:06] That's all. Yeah.

[00:57:07] Yeah. And then we also talk about Phil and his insincere apology to Preston.

[00:57:11] Preston thought it was sincere in a moment.

[00:57:13] Well, I said it was sincere in a moment, but then later on said it was insincere.

[00:57:15] Honestly, doesn't matter.

[00:57:17] It's just them saying, OK, why didn't you say something in the moment?

[00:57:20] He's like, what do you want me to do?

[00:57:21] Talk about everybody's friend that everybody seems to like and just be the only person putting their foot down.

[00:57:25] Like, no, I wasn't. I was willing to to shut it down.

[00:57:28] And so, yeah.

[00:57:32] Yeah. Ridiculous.

[00:57:34] Again, some petty drama, but nothing crazy.

[00:57:37] I did find it fascinating that they called Natalie the bone collector.

[00:57:42] Is that what we call people like?

[00:57:44] Is that what it is when they like the person in the middle of the method of bone collector?

[00:57:47] Is that an official title? Am I late?

[00:57:48] Yes. This is a bone collector.

[00:57:51] I know it from Atlanta, Real Housewives of Atlanta, where Candy is the bone collector.

[00:57:58] Oh, gotcha. Yeah.

[00:58:00] OK, so it's a person with the T with who's going to be messy about it.

[00:58:06] Right. And yeah, you got Natalie for that one, for sure.

[00:58:09] Anything else that we haven't talked about?

[00:58:11] Oh, no. Sure. Ray is called the bone collector.

[00:58:13] Well, sorry. Candy just has the T.

[00:58:15] I don't think I looked it up. Yeah.

[00:58:19] But anyway, it's just I find it so funny because, yeah, the bone collector is the messy person.

[00:58:23] And sure, Ray is the bone collector.

[00:58:27] Well, welcome, Natalie, to that elite club of people.

[00:58:30] Is there anything you haven't talked about that we need to discuss?

[00:58:33] No. To me, that was it.

[00:58:35] Yeah, I just I wonder where this is going to go.

[00:58:39] I just I hope it comes back because I think it was a great show.

[00:58:43] It's a really light, fun show.

[00:58:46] The last thing I oh yeah, I did want to bring up is that folks were mad

[00:58:51] about the reunion set where they were like, well, why are we at?

[00:58:55] Watch what happens live and not like, you know, in the Housewives

[00:58:59] and Southern Charm gets like something with the theme, you know, of the show.

[00:59:05] So like maybe a Martha's Vineyard, you know, set.

[00:59:08] Like, why didn't they get that?

[00:59:09] Because Housewives do.

[00:59:12] Bravo, they barely have people in the room for the Bravo reunions.

[00:59:18] So I just want to say like it

[00:59:21] it can come off that it isn't equitable.

[00:59:24] But I feel like below deck, one of the shows that like

[00:59:26] it's literally never going to stop at this point

[00:59:30] gets the watch what happens reunion

[00:59:34] like that set, so it's OK.

[00:59:37] Yeah, I understand where folks are coming from.

[00:59:39] But I don't think that is the issue.

[00:59:40] The issue is it canceled the damn show.

[00:59:42] Right, right, right.

[00:59:43] So if the show is not only on pause and is canceled, it will be a number

[00:59:47] like add to a number of shows that are minority led, that have been

[00:59:51] that people have found a lot of joy in that haven't gotten the chance

[00:59:54] to really breathe.

[00:59:55] Rap shit also canceled.

[00:59:57] You know, it's just like, bro, I think Grand Crew was also canceled,

[01:00:02] you know, in 2020, you know, we saw.

[01:00:04] I think so. Thank God.

[01:00:06] They've been but they've been listen, never mind.

[01:00:08] You're going to get me angry.

[01:00:09] We start talking about P-Valley because why is it taking so long?

[01:00:11] What is what are y'all doing?

[01:00:13] But in 2020, we had a lot of really good conversations about race

[01:00:17] and representation on television and giving a space for a lot of people.

[01:00:20] And as Sasha has pointed out, a lot of that is going away.

[01:00:23] So I don't know if that is a sign of the times, if, you know, maybe the D.I.

[01:00:27] of it all is wearing off and now people are like, OK, let's get back to our

[01:00:30] regularly scheduled programming.

[01:00:31] But for people who enjoy these shows, make sure you watch the show,

[01:00:34] share the shows, talk about the shows, put other people on the shows,

[01:00:38] because if you do not, people will look at the ratings as a reason to shut it down.

[01:00:42] Our ratings reasons to shut shows down. Of course they are.

[01:00:44] But when you have shows that are less prominent, that are minority led,

[01:00:48] you have to put more of an effort into putting them up front.

[01:00:51] You know what I'm saying? To make it equitable.

[01:00:53] It is not the same level for everybody.

[01:00:55] It is making other people reach the levels that the other levels like.

[01:00:59] So if I need to boost this show more to put it at the same level

[01:01:03] as Summer House proper, then that's what we do.

[01:01:05] You know, that's equity, not just, oh, we're going to give it

[01:01:08] the same amount of social media presence as everybody else.

[01:01:10] So and then hope that folks follow along.

[01:01:13] This is not reality.

[01:01:15] It's not reality. And this is not what we're doing here.

[01:01:18] So, again, if you like these shows, talk about them, like them,

[01:01:21] put your friends on them, join the conversation.

[01:01:24] And of course, join us here on Recap Kickback where we talk about these shows.

[01:01:28] Sasha, this has been so much fun.

[01:01:29] Thank you for putting me on this show.

[01:01:31] Specifically, I'm glad you decided to jump in.

[01:01:33] I know I've been bullying you and I will get you on the show one day.

[01:01:37] I will not go on that show.

[01:01:38] You would have to apply me and then also kidnap me

[01:01:41] and then also drop me off in Martha's Vineyard.

[01:01:43] And I'm very possible things.

[01:01:45] I was like, pick a different location.

[01:01:46] Summer for me. You want me there?

[01:01:49] Summer House, Vegas.

[01:01:50] Summer House. Oh, interesting.

[01:01:52] What does summer house?

[01:01:53] Cool. It is cool.

[01:01:55] But also like if you are now lowering your standards, come get me.

[01:01:59] So you need to go somewhere.

[01:02:00] Is that you would have nothing to eat just like me in my.

[01:02:05] Oh, God. Yeah.

[01:02:06] In Martha's Vineyard.

[01:02:09] Because of your seafood allergy.

[01:02:10] So maybe that is not the time for you.

[01:02:13] Yeah. Summer House, Inglewood.

[01:02:16] Summer House, you know, like summer house

[01:02:19] where I can get to some tacos and some chicken or something like that.

[01:02:22] Yeah. We're actually talking about Summer House, New York.

[01:02:24] Like maybe you just follow the New York people living their life,

[01:02:27] like not just like a summer house thing.

[01:02:30] Probably it's a real world.

[01:02:33] Right. I mean, the pause for a show like Summer House,

[01:02:36] the one good thing we know about it is that because this show was only

[01:02:39] during the summer, a pause could just mean a pause.

[01:02:41] It really could.

[01:02:42] But I think with the loss of all these other shows is really hard

[01:02:45] to to to really have faith that it will be coming back.

[01:02:48] And so we will keep our fingers crossed and we will see what happens.

[01:02:51] But until then, Sasha, it's been fun.

[01:02:54] Tell everybody what you've been working on.

[01:02:55] Yes. You can find me, of course, talking celebrity gossip vibes only.

[01:03:00] You know, you name it.

[01:03:02] Kirsten McKenna and I are talking about it over on Mess Magnus.

[01:03:05] You can find us on Robins website slash mess feed.

[01:03:09] And of course, like you said, you and I are talking below deck.

[01:03:12] We just wrapped up the finale over on Rob has a podcast

[01:03:16] and the Bravo TV were hop up speed.

[01:03:18] Listen, and of course, we're coming back, baby.

[01:03:21] So check that out.

[01:03:23] And I'm talking Jetlag, the game, which is a really fun

[01:03:27] YouTube show with Taryn over on Rob is a podcast as well.

[01:03:32] So check all of that out.

[01:03:34] And again, thank you, Chabot, for having me.

[01:03:37] My first, you know, first show on Recap Kickback.

[01:03:41] And I'm just honored.

[01:03:43] Yeah. And we'll definitely have you back because it's a crime.

[01:03:46] We didn't have me, you and Bryce on at the same exact time to talk about something.

[01:03:50] So, you know, we'll figure out something.

[01:03:53] But thank you all for joining me.

[01:03:55] And Sasha, you of course know you can find me here on Recap Kickback

[01:03:58] for all the other coverage.

[01:03:59] G and I wrapping up our Abbott Elementary finale coverage as well.

[01:04:03] Coming soon.

[01:04:04] And then we got some other stuff coming, the Netflix show.

[01:04:06] I think we're going to do Act Your Age on Netflix episodes one and two.

[01:04:09] Just to talk about that.

[01:04:10] Season one is already out.

[01:04:11] But of course, in order to get season two going, we got to make sure

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[01:04:31] We'll talk to you all later.

[01:04:32] Peace.