The 10 Best TV Shows (According to Chappell!)

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[00:00:28] Hey, what's up, Fab? And welcome back again to Recap Kickback. It's me, your host Chappell, and I am back again, once again, to talk to you during this lovely Black History Month

[00:00:58] and celebrating one year, one year, one year of Recap Kickback here. And with me, of course, for the second year, obviously, is my great, amazing co-host who will be asking me about all of my business today. It's Mari Forth. Mari! Welcome. Hey, hey, yes, it's Black History and we're going to interview the blackest person I know. Ha ha ha!

[00:01:24] Don't get into my shows because, you know, there might be a little mixture here. Yeah, Mari's not wrong. Today, we are going to repeat an exercise that we've done in the past. We once talked about... Which you got good feedback from. Everybody loved it. So they're going to love this one even more, I think. People are obsessed with you, okay? I've been to live events with Mari before and people are like, can you get Mari for a meal? Okay, got you. Like, I'm like corralling the line.

[00:01:52] And so I was not shocked that people went up for it. So this time around, we are going to talk about Chappelle's 10 greatest television shows of all time. According to you. Or at least the ones... According to me. Or at least the ones that I think have helped me become me. I think that that is... I tried to... I really tried to take the assignment seriously and like think about, okay, Mari gave some really good explanations behind hers. And so I was like, okay, think hard.

[00:02:22] Because you've watched a lot of TV and you've got to figure out which ones actually matter. So yeah, Mari, I think I might be... Okay, I think I'm ready. I think I got it. All right, let's go. I know that people are dying to know. I'm pretty sure we got some plugs first, right? Oh yeah, of course. But first of all, make sure you are subscribed here at RecapKickback.com. Make sure you go to RecapKickback.com slash subscribe to subscribe on all social, you know, podcast platforms.

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[00:03:17] And it's it got real. It got real. There was. It is. It is recorded. It is ready to be dropped this week. You will be getting that. It's me, G and Isaiah talking about which black cartoon character will be the sole survivor. Yeah, it's fun. Heroes, healers and hustlers style. So we have to sort them all into their categories. Yeah. But we have to put these these black cartoon characters into different categories.

[00:03:46] So tune in to find out, you know, first of all, who's the ultimate sole survivor? But also, who are the heroes, healers and hustlers of the black cartoon characters? And yeah, check that out and let us know what you think by making sure that you email us. RecapKickback at gmail.com or put it in the comments, obviously, and let us know what you think about the podcast. Anything else, Mario, we got plug? Nope. I think that's it. Yeah. So I guess we shall get into it.

[00:04:16] I don't even know where to start, Mario. What do I do? Well, you got to start with your. Well, this is not ranked ranking is arbitrary, but start with one of the most impactful shows ever that you like. Just like I did. I think I got to do these kind of like, I want to just kind of build to maybe how I got here, you know, like what are the shows that brought me to this point? I love that.

[00:04:46] So, so Baby Chappelle, we're starting with Baby Chappelle. Baby Chappelle. Little Chappelle. No, you're joking, but I'm so serious. I really thought about it. What were you watching? Okay. Yeah. And when I was a kid, I was watching Doug. Oh, okay. I first of all, I was a Nickelodeon kid. Okay. That's what I say. The Nickelodeon Doug, not the Disney Doug. I checked it out. You know, I peaked. I didn't like Patty's haircut. I didn't like the voices. It was fine.

[00:05:16] It's fine. It's not the OG Doug. Doug is my guy. I almost picked Hey Arnold, but I had to be true to like the beginnings of Chappelle. And it starts here. I was a Nickelodeon kid. There was Cartoon Network. There was Disney Channel. Yeah. And they had cartoons, but they didn't speak to me. Like, you know, these like coming of age stories of like the one kid in the household. Like it just got that kind of just always like kind of get my attention.

[00:05:45] Like I used to watch Boy Meets World. Hey Arnold, obviously, but Doug where it started. I don't know. It was just something about this guy being in his own head, imagining his own like all of the fun things in life. It really just kind of, you know, it spoke to me. I don't know. So my husband is a Nickelodeon kid. He mostly because he said they couldn't afford Disney and real. They had basic table. So he was a Nickelodeon kid.

[00:06:12] Have you gone back and watch Nickelodeon's version of Doug? Does it hold up? So I did go watch Nickelodeon's Doug before and it's good. It's fine. Right. Like Doug and I think aged perfectly. They're fine. Hey Arnold loves aged very well. Right. They are fine. They did what needed to be done. But you're right, Mario. I've gone back and watched some other older shows and thought like, oh, I used to love this show.

[00:06:40] So, um, and then when I went back, I'm like, it's not as funny as I prefer it being like, you know, maybe my, my comedy has matured or whatever, but I really like just that. Yeah. But I really just like these like simple storylines. Like Doug woke up today, decided he had to go do something cool with his friends. And you know, some type of minor incident ensues, right? There's never any real drama. That's what I was about to say. What is the plot for Doug? Doug, that is a great point.

[00:07:10] Now that I actually stop and think about it, like Doug won't do nothing. No, he was chilling. He showed up, he showed up one to his new school or whatever. He was a new kid in town. He met his black friend Skeeter. I said it is black friends, Keeter Valentine, as blue as he is. Uh, uh, he, and he showed him how to order a Hocker burger. Uh, you know, and, uh, and it was like from that moment on, Doug had a black friend and I was, I was his black friend at home. You know, I was kind of watching along thinking like, this is cool.

[00:07:39] I love seeing the shenanigans, the two of them hanging out normal as little kid stuff. It wasn't super spicy. It was just simple. It was a simpler time back then, Mari. And I really appreciated it. And Doug was the only one who was normal color, right? Um, well, yeah, Doug's family was beige. You got, um, then you had, uh, Patty's family that was golden, kinda. And I was like, she, you know.

[00:08:05] Uh, and then, yeah, and then, uh, yeah, Skeeter and Roger were both shades and like BB, I think was blue. Roger was green. Um, so I was kind of questioning like, what is happening? Black, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, you gotta start asking around, but, um, there were just so many Nick tunes at the time, right? Rugrats was out there and all real monsters was a thing. Oh, love that real monster. But I had to go to Doug for my normalcy. The kid just wants to write in his journal and imagine things. And that was me. Yup. I was in my head.

[00:08:34] And I think to this day, I'm still kind of a dreamer. So it makes a lot of sense for me. You're still banging on the trash can? Drumming on the streetlight, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Like, I remember when Kanye and Lil Pump dropped that, uh, that, you're such a fun, and, uh, and they were wearing the big ass suits. I was like, think big, think big like this. Oh yeah. Like, I don't know why. That just like... Doug did have the bobs. Like, he had the bobs. Doug had hits.

[00:09:03] The beats were making the hits. Okay. I need more allowance. Uh, you know, think big. Banging on trash can. It was so much. So good. Just my, my time. Okay. So, yeah. Chappelle sitting in front of the TV eating cereal watching Doug. And real quick before we move on, what, what is the, um, what is the conspiracy theory behind Doug that he might be like in a coma or something and all of this is made up in his head? Have you heard that? No.

[00:09:33] Have you heard that conspiracy theory? No. Y'all leave my Doug alone. Yeah. It's like, it's like one of those like overdone layers thing. But I think they think he's either like in a coma or he's like in like, like he did, he's in purgatory. But I think, I think people do that a lot. Like, I think they try and do that with like the Rugrats too. They did that with SpongeBob. Yeah. The Rugrats was like, oh, Angelica's like, uh, like got like split person, like personality

[00:10:03] disorder or something like that. SpongeBob, I think was, uh, each of the seven deadly sins or something like that was surrounding him. Which I think is kind of cool. I think that actually is like a pretty cool thought process. But mostly I, what I like about SpongeBob is that they're at the bottom of the big bikini atoll, like where they tested the nuclear bomb and the nuclear bomb turned all of those sea creatures like sentient. Oh, see, no, I didn't know that. You heard that?

[00:10:30] No, see, see, that's why I think with Doug is nice and simple. Yeah. It's just simple. It's nothing to do it. Coolest thing I've seen on Doug was that, uh, he had a homeboy named Chucky Studebaker and Chucky was good at the sports. Okay. He was basically like, like Vince from, uh, from recess except for, you know, on Doug. And I remember Chucky was so good. He threw the football up in the air and caught it himself. Like he, like he threw his, yeah. And I was like Lamar Jackson. Lamar. Yeah.

[00:10:58] You know, so I, Doug just me, it just does always resonates in my life. Um, yeah, this is my, my, probably my flagship cartoon. All right. So, okay, let's go to the next one. What else do you have for us? Is it a reality TV show yet? No. Are we still staying with Baby Chappelle? Okay. No. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. So this is still Baby Chappelle, sadly to say. Sneaky. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, not only was I watching comic view. Uh huh.

[00:11:28] I learned how to use the VCR and I used to tape a comic view. Look at you. I used to tape comic view cause my mom made me go to sleep at eight o'clock and I couldn't stay up late enough to watch it. So I would run the tape and record it on the other TV outside the room. And that way I could watch it the next day. I, I think my mom made me sleep at nine o'clock and maybe like comic view came on like 10 or something like that. But it was something like to the fact that like I couldn't watch it when it was time. So I had to figure out a way.

[00:11:57] And this is where it all begins. This is where the full comes. Because I am a studied comedian. Okay. Like I've never considered myself like a comic or anything like that. Like I don't do, I can't do standup. I can't, I can tell a good story. That's pretty much what I'm good for. But I used to watch the greats. Okay. Come through on BET. I'm talking about, and I mean like I would use to tape it. So it wouldn't just be watch it one time. I would watch these things on a loop. All right. Monique.

[00:12:27] All of them just back in the day was so, so real for me. For those unfamiliar, BET comic view is basically a comedic showcase. Um, uh, where it's, it's akin to like a deaf comedy jam. Um, where comics standup comics would come on. They'd have what, what, what would they give them? Chappelle, like five maybe. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think so. So they would do sometimes where they would do like full sets. Right. And you probably 10, 15.

[00:12:56] And then eventually they started doing like a best of situation where they would just. Right. Like almost like a clip show where you come. This joke from this guy, this joke from this. That's when they had me. Exactly. And, and it would just be where comics can come and showcase their material to a wider audience. And specifically black comics for a BET comic view. And, um, it holds a special place in our communities heart. This, like I said, deaf comedy jam.

[00:13:26] Yeah. I think, I think I watched deaf comedy. There was another one. Wasn't there one more show? I want to say I remember deaf comedy jam. Then you, but I don't know. I mean, I don't stand up comedy is like meh for me. Um, but, uh, comic view is where like Chappelle said, a lot of the greats get their start. It it's a way that comic comics have to shop their material.

[00:13:52] Like they, they have to like perform their material in order to perfect it. Um, so, but comic view is like, from what I understand where comics, like they bring their best stuff to comic view because they know there's going to be little Chappelle's. Uh, yeah. So, so you would say that comic view like impacted your humor? Oh yeah.

[00:14:19] I think, I think a lot of my jokes are just retold versions of jokes that I got from comic view. Or like, you know, like, cause there's stuff that never left my mind. Right. Um, so sometimes I'll pull out like, uh, uh, that fat man at Joe doe. That fat man at Joe doe. What you want fat man? Like, I don't know why like those jokes are, uh, he said, I ain't got no cookies for you. No candies for you, fat man. Cause you a MWT. A man with titties. I don't know why that just like. Who did that one?

[00:14:50] Um, I think it was Bruce Bruce. Maybe it was a big dude because he was like, yeah. Or maybe it was, uh, um, Lavelle Crawford. But I remember him being like, I don't even know I squads into that room like that, you know, like that. And those are just jokes that never leave me. And I think if you kind of follow the trajectory of these shows, you'll see that again, I'm just repurposing old jokes that I got from Doug and comic view.

[00:15:16] This is just, I'm all of this made me the goofball that I am. Cause I did a lot of laughing when I was a kid. I believe it. I believe it. And this was the golden age of B.T. where we had so many different things. Uh, one Oh six and park comic view, Rhapsody, the basement. Yeah. Like a lot of really good programming on B.T. Uh, any final thoughts on comic view or you want to move?

[00:15:46] No, it's not a lot that I have to share about comic view because it's like, it's not a story, you know, it's just. Yeah, exactly. It's not a no, it's if you know, you know, kind of thing. Yeah. I remember watching, I watched so much of it that I remember like when Cedric the Entertainer was the, was the host. But then like, I remember when I was really tapped in, when I was kind of like old enough to watch it in time was when Bruce Bruce was the host. When he was the host, that's when I was like, I was in it.

[00:16:12] Uh, and then I was there for the change of the guard, you know, when it went on to like the next few people, I think after Bruce Bruce, it was, uh, or right before Bruce Bruce, it was Ricky Smiley. Right. So I was recording the Ricky Smiley days. I was there for Bruce Bruce, Arnaz J, J. Anthony Brown, Cheryl Underwood. I was there. I probably tapped out right around Kevin Hart. And that's like, oh, eight. So like for a solid, like 10 years of just watching the show religiously. So yeah. Wow. Kind of my shit. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome.

[00:16:43] Yeah. Clown. A clown. That's me. It was one. Right here. Did you ever, did you ever think about doing standup comedy? Not even a little bit. It never even occurred to me. It just, I think I was living in kind of like a tumultuous household. And it was just like, you had, you had to make time to laugh. You had to, because there was so much going on. I really wish I could sit here and be like, no, like all my childhood was normal. It was not.

[00:17:11] And so there were definitely like times where it was like, I could just get to my room and just turn comedy view on. And I would say the jokes along with them. Like I would, you know how you get something on the air. Like, like, like a earworm. Like that one dude was like, Kiki, she, she bigger than you. She gonna kill you. Like all the, all that stuff. I, and these people, these are comedians that were grown then they grown now. So I'm feeling now stepping to just roles and like be like mega stars.

[00:17:39] Now a lot of times where it's like, I remember when they was up there, big ass suits in the baggy pants, you know? Um, yeah. Making problematic jokes at that, you know, like it was, it was hairy out there. I don't know how I survived. Uh, and then my mama had the nerve to be like shocked when I was voted class clown of my, uh, graduating class. Like, okay. You know, so here you go. Yeah. Yeah. We're Teresa and Nemo. And that's why we switched to Shopify.

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[00:18:39] Oh, okay. Number three. See, I'm going to keep, I'm going to keep count for you. Unlike somebody who loves me hanging. Well, considering I made sure I had a list of 10, I will know. Whatever. But I actually don't know. I don't remember the order. So I don't know what's next. Let's see. Oh, classic reality TV. Yes. When people stop acting polite and start getting real. No real.

[00:19:08] This, this is, this created a monster. Like if you think the comic view was a problem, this is like, hey, have you ever seen reality TV before? You did. Um, I started watching the real world. I'm not actually sure how I found it. Like, I don't even remember. I think it was just on. Right. And I started watching it like one random season, probably the one that I have up on my screen, which is New York. New York. Back to New York. Yeah. With The Miz and Coral. Yeah.

[00:19:37] Um, and just an amazing season of television. Uh, and I was hooked. I mean, I was hooked. When I got old enough, I would go to the pawn shop on the way home. I'd be walking through streets, going to the, go my way home, skip the bus because I can, if I walk, I can stop and see and touch stuff. Okay. Cause I was that kid. So I skipped the bus, start walking and I was stopping a pawn shop and they would have old DVDs. And I remember I hit the Holy grail one time.

[00:20:06] They had a world Las Vegas on DVD. Yes. Yes. You should, you should, they should have shown on TV DVDs. I bought them both probably cost me $5. Wow. It made my life Mari. Cause I had been watching the real world religiously. I mean, every time it was on, I watched it. I've probably seen most of the seasons of the real world in order. Uh, like I didn't even watch it real time. Like when, cause I think by the time I was old enough to even like watch and understand the show they were on, like, like I said, they were probably back to New York by then,

[00:20:34] but I went back, I went back, back, back and started watching the older stuff. I had the real world Paris on DVD. I had, uh, I had Paris. I had Las Vegas. And I want to say I had London. It was like a three, three season stretch or whatever. I remember watching Hawaii, the reruns. And then this led me to the challenge. And that again, it was just like the gateway drug to more reality TV. And that was like competition reality.

[00:21:03] And, you know, you name it from there. It was kind of funny for me because I actually watched the challenge before I watched the real world. I watched like the original challenges, like the first season, uh, battle of the sexes. Like I, I watched the challenge literally before I watched the real world.

[00:21:26] And my first season of the real world was Hawaii because we got our, um, our shipping orders, uh, our ship out orders for Hawaii. Um, and we were, we were due to ship out to Hawaii a month. It was like a month or two months after Hawaii, the, or the real world Hawaii started.

[00:21:52] So my 10 year old kid brain is like, oh my God, we're going to Hawaii. They're going to have us in like grass huts and stuff. Like there's going to be like no TV and, you know, just two good 10 year old shit. And then they announced real world Hawaii. So I was like, let me watch real world Hawaii. So then I'll know what's going to happen when I get to Hawaii. And that started one of the greatest runs of like reality TV, like to me, um, first off.

[00:22:22] Real world Hawaii is one of the best seasons. It's cool. Stop tech money. Ruthie. Just legends. Um, watching Ruthie go through like her, uh, alcohol addiction on TV and like, just come out the other side of it. Amazing. Um, but I don't know if you remember this run, this legendary run. I watched all of these, um, as a kid. Hawaii was season eight. Yeah.

[00:22:52] Uh, New Orleans was season nine. Shout out to Melissa. Um, 10 was back to New York and I love back to New York cause of coral. Mike, the Miz being stupid. Yeah. 11 was Chicago. Chicago. And 11. Oh, 11. This is when we saw the twin towers hit, it hit in, in Chicago. Chicago.

[00:23:19] And literally right after we had just did real world New York. I remember like watching the Chicago cast react to nine 11 and just being like, this is just ridiculous. Mm hmm. And it being like, like you're, we're watching people process a terrorist attack on TV, you know? Yeah. And then the next season is Vegas.

[00:23:47] And I mean, my shirt, the absolute. Just the goat of real world. And then after that, like you said, Paris. So I, I watched all of those back to back to back to back San Diego was after that. I, I watched it, but I, that was the one I thought I fell off after that. Um, no, I'm looking, I'm like, no, I did watch. I watched Karamo's Philly after that. Oh yeah. I watched Karamo in Philly. I was in high school.

[00:24:17] Yeah. Yeah. The real world. Just amazing. An amazing piece of television. Um, the effect that the real world and survivor have like on society, our culture, us. Yeah. Is like astounding. And it just sucks that we don't have the real world anymore.

[00:24:43] Um, you know, it, it, it strayed away from its original mission, I believe. Oh yeah. Easily. You know, when it first started out, they were trying to actually have a social experiment where they put people together who, you know, come from different walks of life, but they wanted them to interact and like, you know, find common ground. And they were supposed to have, they had jobs and they were supposed to, you know, like they, they, like some of them were going back home, you know, in those early days.

[00:25:09] I remember in like San Francisco and like the original New York, like some people didn't even live in the house. They would just like show up and just stay for a few days and then go home because they stayed not too far away. Um, by the time it hits Hawaii, they're like, Oh, they drinking on this show. And then New Orleans is after that. I think Melissa might not even have been old enough to drink and she was in New Orleans on that show. By the time it gets to Vegas, it's like, Oh, they having sex in the hot tub. Vegas.

[00:25:38] Trishel thought she was pregnant. Oh man. The Trishel, Steven, Frank love triangle out in an airline and their mess. Uh, Arissa getting in the middle of their mess. Like girl, no reason. Yeah. And, and, and look, these, again, these are the people who go on a shape reality TV. Trishel just won the traders last year. Let's not talk about it. I mean, she won the traders last year, you know? But I'm like, yeah, I'm like, man, I remember when they were just babies.

[00:26:07] And imagine these shows aired when I was like 11, 9, 10, and I was in it, in it. And that's how, you know, my mama and them were not paying attention to me because why was I able to do this? Lots of kids. Did you see how fast I went from Doug to the real world? Right? The transition was, was quick. Okay. Um, so yeah, no, I cannot say enough about the real world. I love it.

[00:26:35] I think that everything that is done, the challenge is still running all this time later. And some of them are still on the challenge to this day. Um, yeah. I remember. No, I'm just saying it's just so sad that we don't have this authenticness anymore. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, the last season that I watched a real world was like the online version. Like the, did you watch that? The MySpace. That was the Facebook version. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah.

[00:27:03] The Facebook version in Atlanta, where I had to, I had to root on that black girl for being that racist white girls. But I, I, I've seen the clip. I've seen the clip. I've seen the clip. It's cathartic. It really is. It is. But like, they just, they just kind of strayed away from the plot. And like, I watch, you know, real world skeletons, real world explosion. Yeah. Explosion. Yeah.

[00:27:31] You know, we're not even, we're not even trying to cast regular people anymore type things. So. No. It's not, it's, it's not surprising that yeah, the real world is no longer a show, but it's really sad that it isn't. Yeah. It's one of the shows that made me because again, I become addicted to reality TV at this point. Right. This becomes like, I am a child who is in everybody's business. Right.

[00:28:01] I know all the reality TV shows I'm watching MTV and VH1 to get the rundowns or see the interviews and stuff like that. I, I've, I'm still watching cartoons cause all the rest of the kids are talking about cartoons, but make no mistake. I'm looking for the grown folks and what they watch it. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Um, all right. Next up. Yep. Number five. You mentioned it earlier. It's, it's survivor.

[00:28:26] This is this like, when you talked about big brother last time. Yeah. Yeah. You talked about big brother and talking about how like nobody in your life is like watching the show. And he's just like, who can I talk to about this? Survivor was a little different in that everybody was talking about it for like the first season and a half. Right. It was just like, everybody was talking about it.

[00:28:49] And then after that, it just slowly, you could slowly decide to see the decline where it was being watched, but it wasn't water cooler talk like it used to be. Right. Um, okay. Get through Australian Outback premiere has the largest premiere of any season of survivor period. You know, like it's like after the first season, it's such a phenomenon where they come back for season two. We see what happens in season two, season three happens, season four. And it's just like, boom, boom, boom.

[00:29:14] There's so much diversity in survivor in a weird way because like, there's not a lot of diverse characters, but the winners are so diverse in the first five or six seasons. Yeah. Richard Hatch, who's very different from Tina Wesson, who's very different from the Sepia, you know, like it goes like it goes on and on. Who's very different than Ethan, you know, like it just goes on and on. And so you kind of can find yourself in it a little bit. And I was able to do that very quickly. Uh, again, my friends were not watching survivor.

[00:29:43] I had a couple that would talk to me about big brother, but nobody would talk to me about survivor. So I started watching VH one. I will watch the best week ever, the countdowns, all the soup or whatever. If it's a clip show, it's going to be talking about reality TV. I was there. Yeah. I remember. Yeah. And this show survivor is my, it is the most consistent show that I've ever had in my life. Like, this is the one, like it's been 40 some seasons.

[00:30:10] I've always known I can count on survivor to be there and crazy enough. Look at us now, Mari. We literally talk about the show periodically. Yeah. Like between big brother and survivor. And God was looking out for us by letting us do this. You know, this is kind of cool. That's that is for sure. That is for sure. Like I said, I didn't watch survivor live when it first started. I want, I started from, um, uh, I started from, uh, which one came first? Uh, cook islands. Yeah.

[00:30:41] Yeah. I sure did. And stayed. Yeah. Um, but yeah. And I always say it. I, I, I stumbled upon survivor on the outdoor channel. Uh, yeah. I used to watch that too. Yeah. When they would just play every season, every episode. Survivor. Yeah. And that's how I, that's how I discovered survivor. Mm hmm. I, I remember when I found that channel, it was like the best day of my life. Amazing. Yeah. I was like, thank God I can go back and watch the older seasons.

[00:31:11] And it would, you didn't get to choose. It was just on. And so I was like, so I would just watch survivor episodes at random. And so, yeah, here it is years and years and years and years later, I get to talk about it. You know, I'm talking, hell I'm talking about Australian survivor now with Shannon, our R.J.P., which is crazy to me. Uh, because again, this is a show that like I watched so much. I don't even know if I understood the strategy of it. I just watched it cause it was fascinating watching the people interact, uh, watching,

[00:31:40] you know, like the nature of it all. This is, I kinda, I think when I was little, I kinda almost consider like, I wonder if I could go on survivor. But it was never a thing that I was like applying to do, you know, it's just never my bag to go out there and do that kind of stuff. But watching it. Oh yeah. This is when I was like, I want to work on survivor. I want to hold the camera. That's what I wanted to be on. Like, let me hold the microphone. I just want to be there. Yeah. Yeah. Never got that job opportunity though. Yeah.

[00:32:09] So we gotta know somebody who can pull some strings. Yeah. Well, you know, the crazy thing now is that we actually know so many people involved in survivor and big brother. Like, yeah, we are like an arm's length away from people who are on two of our favorite shows of all time. It's crazy. Yeah. It truly, truly is. You know, it just, you know, God works in mysterious ways. And we are, are sitting here, especially since like, for me, I had just moved.

[00:32:39] I had just moved from Hawaii to, to Maryland, my junior year of high school. I didn't know nobody. I didn't know nobody. Everybody in my school had known each other since kindergarten. And, you know, I had some friends, but I didn't have a lot. So all I did was, was, um, uh, do my homework, get good grades and watch survivor on the outdoor channel when I got home from school. Yeah.

[00:33:06] And then beyond like my space and the phone, you know, but like, that was it. Like, yeah, I loved it. I just, I just binged it all. Just go through that channel. Yeah. No, that was, it was my stuff. So it's just, every time I think about survivor, I get happy because I just think about like how far I've come from, like, just being like, somebody talk to me about this damn show. And I've been like, Oh, you know, I got to watch it this week. Cause condo like it's become more like, I love it. Um, yeah, this is it.

[00:33:36] I don't know. Like I said, I never had dreams of doing it, but I think the appeal was just escapism. Again, I was living in chaos. And so I was just like, if I could just go do that and maybe get a bunch of money, then I can move. Yeah. That would be cool. And so I would watch other people do it. Yeah. It's so, it's so fascinating how we've become voyeurs. Yeah. Yeah. Basically. Yeah. It's just something, something else to watch. So get to watch somebody else's adventure. Cause I can't have the one I want to have. Right. Yep.

[00:34:06] It pays the bills. All right. Six. Six. Yeah. Yeah. There's a family guy. Like there's a man who positively can, who, you know, cause it to make us cry. Um, I, so I'm torn here because family guy is definitely like, this is definitely one of the problem children in my life. Like I've, I remember the earliest days.

[00:34:35] I remember bad influence. I was there. I referenced family guy so much. I don't even know it anymore. I don't even like it. I just be saying stuff that it just like, and it's so many family guy references. I talk in family guy references. People who don't watch as much as I don't catch it, but I'm always talking in family guy references. I think the first like 10 seasons, I think I probably got like majority of them memorized. Maybe. Uh, the problem is, you know, family guy fell off for me later on.

[00:35:04] Like it just, it wasn't, it doesn't, it doesn't hold up for me. Even watching a lot of the old ones. I'm like, they're funny, but like not in a vacuum, you know? Like, I mean like, like only like in a specific situations, like some of it, I'm like, I don't know. Uh, but I cannot stress how much family guy I've watched. Um, I eventually will jump ship from family family guy and start watching American dad because it was blacker. Oh God, I love American dad. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:35:31] I switched over to American dad because I was like, I need some black content and I needed Steven. I need a Smith. I need it. Yeah. Roger who graduated from Howard. Yes. Um, yeah. Yeah. I needed all of that. So I've, I ended up going to American dad at some point. I've seen the hot tub episode of American dad probably more times than I've seen any other episode of television ever. Um, I love, I like the Ricky Spanish episode. Yeah. I love Ricky.

[00:36:01] Yeah. But it all goes back to family guy. I swear. Um, I, I remember my cousin got the family guy game and I was just like, I don't even want to play. You play. I'm just going to sit here and watch. Cause it felt like I was watching the show. So do you remember? So family guy premieres in 1999. It goes from 1999 to 2001. And it's canceled. Oh yeah. And then it comes back in 2005.

[00:36:30] When I tell you me and my brother to this day, talk in family guy, like whenever we're around each other, it's the longest running family guy reference best. And it was because we watched it as kids. And then it was like one of those things where it was like a fever dream because it was like, does anybody remember? Yeah. That show, you know, that cartoon. And I was like, no, what are you talking about? You're like, you don't remember the cartoon.

[00:36:54] And, you know, and then it comes, it comes back because it gets second life on, um, adult swim in Cartoon Network. And they, they come back in 2005. Sorry. I just had a greased up deaf guy moment. And, and they've been on ever since in 2000, since 2005.

[00:37:21] So like, it's one of those shows that definitely like stuck with me as a kid. And I know you and it's, and it's like, but just like the Simpsons, it, it, it's been on for a very long time, you know? And it's kind of, you know, but we still have the memory. We still have the memories. What's your favorite family guy reference to just throw out? Cause I have so.

[00:37:51] Oh, okay. I again, love, love grease up deaf guy. Any, um, or like, any time, any time somebody wipes out and their arm is like, the arm, the fall. When I know the arm is just completely behind their back. What about you? What's your favorite family guy reference?

[00:38:19] I love when, uh, with Stewie is, uh, oh, he's hanging out with the British girl. I think her name is Olivia. And she's like, the lord of the wife is ended by the north. And he's like, life, life. Or, um, I think there's another moment where, um, she says something like, you are the weakest link. Goodbye. And he's like, Oh, Oh, Oh, you got me. That's so rich. You got any more knee slappers out there for you?

[00:38:49] Oh, and then say, or, um, yeah. What about where's my money? Where's my money? Where's my money? Where's my money? You got, you got me to buy fake mustaches, but you can't give me more money. Oh, for the same episode, uh, the by fair lady episode. I think you're in reference. Yeah. No, I think that's two different episodes. There's one where, uh, he's, he's, uh, he's doing like the little tandem, uh, song and dance with the one girl. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. I got you.

[00:39:18] And the guy, their little, uh, acting coach is like, okay, now you're a fetus. Okay. Now, now, okay. You're just starting to, you started out now. Woo. First to the placenta. Woo. That's where blue sides with black shoes. I love, uh, British drive-bys. Oh, Reginald. I disagree. He just draws off. I'm sorry.

[00:39:47] I could do this forever. I literally could. The cutaway scenes. Oh my gosh. Episode by episode. Cutaway scenes. Stewie playing the banjo. Don't don't don't matter. My CB said her name was Mimi. I got blisters on me fingers. All that to say, clearly, I talk in family God. This is my, this did it. This was like, yeah. Yeah. That the warden has left. The inmates are running the inside asylum and it was family God for me. Mm hmm.

[00:40:18] Yeah. Good choice. I can't say I, it's just, it's just one of them shows that like, no matter what, I always can reference it, but Mari, I had to pivot from there. Okay. Where are we going? Oh yes. I should have known. I'm black men, y'all. Oh yeah. So this is around, in my mind is around the same time, right? I'm in high school. Slave of love. Yeah. I'm in high school and watching reality TV. They have the bachelor. But what if we had, right.

[00:40:48] But I didn't. And they were like, what if we had a black bachelor? What if we call it the blatchler? And there's this, this concept that there was going to be a blatchler way back when was so novel, but people were like, I don't know. I don't know if the world is ready for a blatchler. But VH1 looks at their current roster of celebrity stars. They have been having the show. The surreal life was on for a while, which was basically like a real world, but with celebrities. Celebrities. Yeah.

[00:41:15] And then from the surreal life, you get Flavor, Flav, and Brigitte Nilsson. They were both on there. They end up having a love thing that was very weird. It was. And they ended up having a show called Strange Love. Because when did she, she had a husband at the time, right? She had just left her husband. So she had once been married to Slott Stallone, but I think she was away from them by then. And there was like second husband. But remember, yeah, she wasn't her, like Max or something. Yeah, yeah, Max. Right?

[00:41:45] Yeah. She was like, I'm leaving him to be with Foofy. And Foofy is Flavor Flav. So they got their own show, The Flavor of Love. And from the one of the, this is the only show I can say this from, of all the shows we talked about that I know for a fact happened. Episode one, day one, minute one, I was there. I, there, I, it wasn't a show I ever had to go back and watch. I never had to catch up on it. I never heard about it from nobody.

[00:42:13] Episode, day one, minute one, Flavor of Love premiere. I was sat. Yeah. And everything about this show will go on to just like solidify me as just somebody who was stuck watching reality TV. I watched everything on VH1. If it had a celebrity, if it had a camera. If it had, I was there. You name it. Like, then I go, I go to, uh, to, uh, Bravo at that point, start watching Top Chef and

[00:42:42] Blowout and Project Runway. Like, so I'm, I'm now, I have to hit every reality show, but it starts here because Flavor Flavor Flav as the Bachelor is the most unhinged thing that's ever been cooked up on television. And there is no, there is no second, you know, this is one A amongst all the rest of the B's and two and C's and D's. You know, this is it. Number one.

[00:43:08] Chappelle, this Flavor of Love single handedly shifted the culture. Like it truly did. It's given us where we're at now where it's like the most unhinged reality television you've ever witnessed. Not only is Flavor Flav like being The Bachelor, like, but it's not stuffy like The Bachelor.

[00:43:32] As somebody who's, who's watched The Bachelor, uh, since the early two thousands, um, Flavor of Love was such a different take because he's not handing out roses. No. He's, um, giving them names. I mean, talk about genius. Whoever came up with that concept, give them a raise because the first thing Flav does, he, the women introduce themselves to Flav and he's like, I'm bad at remembering names.

[00:44:02] So I'm gonna give people nicknames. Your name is Sweetie. Uh, it, it births New York, Tiffany, New York Pollard. Um, it launches charm school. It launches charm school. It launches rock of love. It launches rock of love. Buzz. I love money. Just, I mean, uh, the Frank, the entertainer had a show, a dating show in the basement.

[00:44:27] The real chance of love, the stallionaires have, this man, Flavor Flav, all you bitches is his sons. Okay. All of them. All of them. Bend the knee. Okay. Marty. The concept of giving these people, grown ass women nicknames, it goes so far as it starts here. You get three seasons of failure of love. You also get, I love New York, giving people nicknames. You also get the entertainer, giving people nicknames.

[00:44:55] You also get Brent Michaels on, uh, uh, on love giving people nicknames. But he got two seasons too, I think. Yeah. And then you got rock of love bus and everybody got a love. Daisy of love as well. Yeah. And they got nicknames because of flavor Flav because flavor Flav is too much of a flavor Flav to decide to like, just call you by their names. Like, nah, I'm gonna call you by your nickname. And these nicknames were ridiculous and they stuck. Cause, uh, Tila Tequila is the double shot of love.

[00:45:24] That was after this. Right. But she didn't give them. Yeah. She didn't, she didn't give them a nickname. That was MTV. I don't think they got to, uh, that's what it was. Okay. Okay. Yeah. And you know, Tila Tequila, she can go to hell. And so, um, there's that. Um, yeah, yeah. Um, but yeah, Flav does it here. He discovers New York basically and just delivers her to us. Our, our TV screens.

[00:45:53] We meet a star who will now, who is currently still on television at eight. And shout out to flavor Flav because he is like such a, he's like a cool uncle. Now he's, he's sponsoring us, uh, Olympic teams. Yeah. He's over on blue sky champion blue sky and be like, get off that other health site. Like shout out to flavor flame. But it's like, and it births so many moments.

[00:46:22] Like whenever Beyonce does something, you cannot tell me there's not a million. Beyonce. Beyonce. Beyonce. I'm so sorry, Beyonce. For the people who don't remember this moment. Okay. So there's a girl in the house, a woman in the house named Heidi. Heidi. And Heidi, every time she blinks, you hear the dollar signs in her eyes. Like literally they put the dollar signs in her eyes. Um, and so you hear the ching, ching, ching, ching.

[00:46:50] Every time she blinks and she's talking to the woman and she decides to announce like, well, all my friends say I look like Beyonce and the other women fall out laughing and New York is beside herself. She's like Beyonce, Beyonce. You look like mother Luther van Drost. I say hi. I'm so sorry, sweetie. Oh, I do. Oh, I do.

[00:47:20] I do. I do. I do. Like when she put that damn whole chicken in that microwave. And it had like carrots and pasta on it. Like it was just like, oh my God. Oh my. I, I loved it. Um, uh, uh, what was her name? Uh, the we drinking strawberries. Oh, these.

[00:47:48] The chicken was lovely. Did y'all like it? I mean, Goldie was robbed. Um, also the spit heard around the world. Pumpkin. I, so I know this season very well. New York started off relatively normal. Okay. If nothing else, she was kind of feeling like, like I'm not here to play the games with y'all. I'm above it. You know, like, I'm like y'all are here making friends and stuff. I'm here for flavor. That's my man. I'm taking him home. Episode one. She was like, I'm in love with him. That's it. Yep.

[00:48:19] There are a few fights that happened throughout the season, mostly because people are trying to get under her skin and it's really hard because she's more annoying than them. They're like trying their best. Some girl is in the back. She like, like yelling at it. And she's like, New York's not bothered. It gets down to the final three. Yeah. New York hoops and pumpkin and pumpkin is eliminated. And on his way, on her way out, she goes over to hoops because it would just be too much like right. Yeah.

[00:48:47] But it would just be like too much like right for pumpkin to take her L and walk away. No, no. She goes over to hoops. Hoops. Love. I hope you win it all. I hope that she does. You know, like basically trying to antagonize New York. New York is like, bye pumpkin. Bye pumpkin.

[00:49:19] Bye pumpkin. And it's in her mouth. Oh, that's slow motion. That's slow motion. Swoop. Swoop. Swoop. Swoop. Swoop. Swoop. Swoop. Everybody at home like, no. I'm, oh. New York. It's an attack. And I don't blame her because I never want to put my hands on somebody more. Right. She pushed that girl into the camera.

[00:49:49] The camera is shaking. She's like, I'm half more. Like, it just seems so bad. She dropped that. I, that register went low. Yeah. You're fucking poor. How dare you put your nasty spell on me. If Flava Flav was beside himself. He was like, what? But he will go on to not pick New York and bring her back for a second season only to open the same wound.

[00:50:19] The same wound. And again, created a monster. And I mean a monster in a good way. A monster of a television character. Yeah. Somebody who knows how to work the system. It sucks that my favorite, that my favorite quote from season two is so problematic. Oh, oh God. It's not, uh, like, I love it. Like, delicious in her mouth. Give it up, delicious. Give it up, delicious. You look like a man. Straighten up that neck.

[00:50:49] She said, what'd she say? Becky, what'd she say? Uh, with her trailer park part down the middle. When I tell you, I say give it up, delicious. You do say it a lot. Oh, all the time. You said one of the first podcasts I listened to you all, you said give it up, delicious. And I was at home like, that's my friend. I thought that's why it's it.

[00:51:19] Um, even there's so many memes too. Like, you know, you have 30 minutes. You have 30 minutes. You know, you have 30 minutes. Like that goes around all the time. Um, it's just so many moments were made from flavor of love. So I had to give it a shout out because when I tell you, I watched this religiously and it led to all the other shows that I ended up going on to be obsessed with. Yeah. It, it, it just, it's cultural culture shifting. Such a good, such a good show. I mean, we could have made this whole podcast about flavor of love. Yeah.

[00:51:49] Like, yeah. Let us know in the comments if you want to play with a little podcast. And look, you know, we really gotta rewatch it that way. He's just like, I'll be like, remember this? And we'll just talk about it. Um, okay. I wonder what's next. Let's see. Next up. What number are we on? Seven. Seven. We're almost done. I don't know why he yelled it. Seven. The boondocks. Yes. I don't know. Yeah, it was coming. Uh, no good.

[00:52:20] The show, the show broke me. Um, it was everything that I wanted. Right. It was black comedians, you know, like literally like a black comedian. People I've seen do stand up. We're literally in this show. Um, it was animated cartoon, like family guy, you know, like just a whack. Like it was just, it was everything that I ever wanted in a show in one. And you got these little kids and they cussing a little bit, but whatever. A little bit. I mean, they, okay. I was, that's how you say it. They cuss a little bit, but it's all right.

[00:52:49] But I don't know. I think like, even as a child, like I used to, I thought, I used to think there's a lie. Cause I was always in my head. I was like in my imagination. So I was open to new ideals and the boondocks was giving you a very, like a satirical look at some of the stuff that were happening in our day to day life and history and stuff like that, that, uh, that was normalized in my community. Right. But when I started watching the boondocks, I started thinking, Hey, maybe this stuff isn't supposed to be like this.

[00:53:18] Like, should you be shooting somebody over, stepping on your shoes? You know, is it, is it worth the nigga moment? You know? So I started thinking like, Oh wow, this show is very smart. It's like, it's telling you, like, it's showing you all the wacky things that happen around you. Um, like it almost organically, like this is how they are, but also showing you how absurd they really are. Right.

[00:53:42] Um, so like the idea that, um, you know, Pimp My Ride exists, they use Pimp My Ride on the boondocks and it's like granddad's cars getting made over and he wants a fish tank in the gas, in the, in the dashboard, you know, and like the wheels are spinning and stuff like that. And like this old man just needs a car that drives, you know, but he, he, he, he was, yeah, but like, bro, like he brought in exhibit, you know, and it's like, these are shows, they're, they're referencing things that are happening in my real life.

[00:54:11] And they're making fun of them in a way that is understandable for someone who was like me, who was looking for like some, some commentary about this kind of stuff. You know, um, you and I talked about the boondocks. We kind of introduced Tyrone to it in a way. That was very fun. And I thoroughly enjoyed it because it was like, I was back. It was a show that I watched. I know intimately. I remember I bought the first season on DVD from the pawn shop. I bought the second season on DVD from Walmart because I, at that point I was like, look, I can't wait for it to hit the pawn shop. I need it now.

[00:54:40] Uh, third season bought it again. I, I, I had them and I used to watch them religiously, I used to wake up and hear that damn doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom, doom. I got, I would hear that in my sleep, Mari. This is my show. Mm hmm. Yes. And the boondocks, uh, the first, the first season, like hitting wall being in high school. And then the second season hitting in college. Yeah.

[00:55:10] Was such an experience watching, watching like the boondocks with my college friends was, is, is such a time like etched into my, my life. Um, and my mind that is just, it just, you can't replace it. Like this, this cartoon was so good because like you said, it examined things about our community

[00:55:38] in a way that was funny, but made you think. Mm hmm. And like to this day, me and my friends will quote, uh, Gang's delicious. My rhyme's too vicious. Eat and see all things. Oh, yeah. Uh, favorite boondocks quotes would be impossible for me to. We, we, we went over. We'll look at our boondocks company.

[00:56:06] Cause it's every line for me when he's like, um, white people know how to take time out to study. And they arrest you. Like that kills me. Uh, when he's just like, uh, granddad, you cannot upset the white supremacy power structure with cheese. He's like, yes, I can boy. Like that kind of stuff kills me. Um, uh, uh, cheddar biscuits. Who don't get the cheddar biscuits? They're not even eating cheddar biscuits.

[00:56:35] They're not eating cheddar biscuits. You know? Oh, game recognize game. And you look at unfamiliar. You recognize your granddaddy knows the game. She saw piss saying, she saw piss coming. She say, I saw piss coming. I moved. I moved. Yeah. And why do I gotta move this out on the next R Kelly album? Just for that. If Kelly goes to jail, I'll piss on your cat. Yeah. Okay.

[00:57:06] Clearly brain rot. I think to myself. Yeah. What did he do to make them niggas so mad? Who's going to feed Sammy Davis Jr. the pony? Well, you don't have to have a pony right now. What am I going to be? A 51 year old woman with a pony? That, um, she run really, really fast in high heels granddad. Like, race you to the corner.

[00:57:36] A pimp named Slickback. You gotta say the whole thing like a tribe called Corcoran. It's a pimp named Slickback. Say it with me now. Say it with me now. Um, yeah. So that's the Boondocks. If you haven't watched it, again, I can do a whole podcast on just the quotes alone. Uh, every episode. The first episode I remember seeing, uh, and I, and I think again, this is another show

[00:58:03] that I think minute one day one, it was the dinner party episode. They kept airing the commercial on parts of network. Um, the government is lying to you about nine 11. Jesus is black and Ronald Reagan is the devil. Yeah. All the white people start freaking out. And then, you know, cut to Huey, uncle Ruckus, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Don't trust those niggas over there playing in the background. Um, I remember that one episode where they were doing like, they were talking about slavery and granddad was, I mean, uh, uncle Ruckus was basically talking about like the story of

[00:58:33] Catcher Freeman. And the slaves was in, they was out there on the plantation. He was trying to make it seem like they were happy. And so they were out there like playing like hand games, like eating watermelon, snow coals and margaritas. It was like watermelon martinis. And you hear don't trust them new niggas in the background as a Negro spiritual. He said, Ruckus, don't trust them new niggas is not a Negro spiritual. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:59:03] Yeah. I was just like, who did this ever grew to desert prison time, but also come back. Oh, please. Come back. We need just one more season. And I, the one thing that pissed me off the most about this show is that people do not understand it. It's satire. That drives me effing crazy. Yeah. Yeah. You're not supposed to agree with Riley. You're just not. You're not. You're not. Just like, just like you're not supposed to agree with Cartman. You're not supposed to agree with Riley. You're not. If you agree with them, you need to examine what's going on here. Okay. Mm hmm. All right. Whew. Okay.

[00:59:33] I didn't know who's going to get through the Boondocks one. Cause that was, that's a lot. That's a lot. There's not a lot of shows left on this list. Yeah. Is this nine? I think this is eight. Okay. I can't remember. Oh yeah. So you did pick one of our, uh, I did. Unlikely. Number eight is Atlanta. Um, I mean the best way I can put it, Mari, is that like, this is the most fun I've had talking about a show.

[01:00:00] You know, like I think that we talked about the last season of Atlanta. The last two. The last two. Yeah. I think it was just perfect timing. I think the show was amazing. The cast had gone from relative nobodies to mega stars. And we didn't even know if they were coming back to give us another season. Like all of them. Well, I believe back to back. Right. I believe all of them have been an Oscar nominated films. Every last one of them. Yes. There are a couple Oscar nominations amongst them as well.

[01:00:30] Um, and so they can, they come back and the show has taken a turn. It is no longer the Atlanta about like earn a walk in the streets, trying to be, make a rap career happy. You know, trying to be a producer paper boys. Now they, they are famous now paper boys on a world tour. Uh, they have made it. And, and now we get to talk about it on post show recaps. Mari. This was so much fun.

[01:01:00] It was, it was, it was just a great little time in our lives where we, it felt like our own, like something. It was our little baby that we were given like complete control of. And then on top of that, intelligent black prestige television that also, um, had joy and fun in it. Breaking down those two seasons with you guys was like some of the best

[01:01:29] time of my life and really trying to understand the surroundings of the realism that Atlanta, you know, ends up with like where, you know, from like you said, the beginning was so fun that we, we had a season where half the episodes, the gang wasn't even. Yeah. And we still like. We showed up. Figured it out. Yeah. Oh, it is very American dad and family, I'm a family guy and boondocks coded. Right.

[01:01:59] Where it's like, it's taking real situations and kind of sets like making satire out of them. But also like, like in a smart way, uh, it makes total sense. There's so many cutaways as well. When it comes to like the episodes that have nothing to do with anything that'd have to do with the plot. Like it's like, as I, again, as I said, said this earlier, all these shows have like developed into the, this one person who is Chappelle and they all have like a through line. Right. Like there's no shock here. I would like Atlanta. Cause I like the boondocks and I like family guy and I like American dad.

[01:02:29] Right. Like, it's like those things went together and I liked comic view, you know, it's like, you put all that together and Atlanta is in there somewhere. We had some of the best conversations meeting you and Latonya has been a joy as well because like, again, we watch a lot of TV, but there's not a lot of people who watch as much TV as we do. And so to sit around and have ridiculously like in-depth conversations about shit that doesn't matter. Mm-hmm. Or the shit that matters, but it's disguised as an episode of Atlanta about a black owner of a sushi restaurant.

[01:03:00] To this day. Oh my God. Like I can't. The Oekasi, it's the first thing I think of. Why is this warm? Why is this? I'm going to go get some Popeye's. Oh my God. Um, yeah. The, so many episodes we talked about colorism. We talked about passing. We talked about, I mean,

[01:03:28] so much went into our conversations about. We talked about the curse of Lake Lanier. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. We were trying to put you on game. Y'all weren't listening back then. Y'all got to go check out, check out the old, the old archives of the Atlanta days. Also, since we're there, Insecure was another show we talked about in depth. Uh, we got, had to jump in at the end. It was kind of a hallmark of what we were doing back then. Uh, also snowfall almost made the list in this spot instead. Um, but I feel like Atlanta to me was the most impactful. It was, I,

[01:03:58] I think it, it really. Had us honing in our, um, our abilities, uh, to say the least. Yeah. It was fun. It really was just so incredibly fun to cover. But I just love that Atlanta and insecure, like represent. Like such a high, um, echelon of black television that we were getting in like 2016, you know, like,

[01:04:27] like the mid 2010s. And I, I want, I, now that both of them are done, both Atlanta and insecure. Like I, I need something else. Y'all come on. Let's, let's get some more, more of this. And let's not, let's not get canceled, please. Oh yeah. It's probably gonna get canceled. Whatever. You know, did you see there was like an article of like, Oh, why can there never be a black,

[01:04:56] um, sex in the city? And they had insecure on there as like, like, like a failure, like as a, like, it didn't make sense. Like that article, I was like, this article is stupid one because you don't need a black sex in the city. Right. And to like some of the, like they had living single girlfriends and, uh, insecure. I was like, first off living single,

[01:05:25] we all know is, is black friends. It's right. It's just the white version of living single. And, um, like girlfriends was successful. And so was insecure. Like I, I think where they really were trying to, they were trying to aim at like Harlem. Like I can see kind of trying to aim at Harlem or, or run the, run the world. Um, but honestly, I was just like insecure.

[01:05:53] If you're lumping in insecure and sex in the city, I feel like I can't trust your judge. Those are two totally different things. Sorry. I didn't mean to hijack the conversation, but no, no. If you think insecure was a failure, you missed the plot. You missed it. Yes. On top. Yes. So on top of it, not being a failure, but right. Yeah. Oh man. Yeah. So yeah. Shout out to post show recaps and the connect on post show recaps. Um, speaking of Brian,

[01:06:23] Brian Tyree here, Henry is in an upcoming, uh, show coming up on Apple TV. Yeah. Today. And I was like, well, my first thought when I saw the trailer was, you remember that changing on Apple TV, how they just canceled that. I'm not going to do this. How about that? How about that? Uh, no, we'll check it out, but let's not cancel the show. Let's give it a chance. Mm. All right. Next up. Oh,

[01:06:57] this is good. I was. Oh, I love Bojack. And Bojack is so you coded. Oh my God. Bojack is the best show I've ever watched. Um, full stop period. Yep. That's the sentence Bojack. I, I don't even know how to start here. So I, I w I didn't watch it in real time when it was first out. Um, I did, I had heard about it, but I think like by that time I was like fully in watching reality TV.

[01:07:26] Like I really wasn't watching a lot of like cartoon animated stuff. Like at that point, but Kirsten and Lindsay over on the Bojack horse pod, they started their podcast. I was, I was podcasting our JP and Kirsten could say, you gotta try and watch Bojack. You gotta watch Bojack. You gotta watch Bojack. And I was like, I'll watch it. And I started watching it. I don't, I was several episodes in, you know, kind of watching it like, Oh, this is, this is a funny cartoon. It's kind of, kind of deep, but okay. It's fine. And I, I think I remember the moment where I was like, Oh wait,

[01:07:56] this might be a lot of TV. Like, this is not the same as I, I think this is different. This is a different type of beast. Um, Bojack had hidden something from Todd and, uh, Todd, of course doesn't find out. Uh, Todd had been putting his hard work into, I believe his, his, his, uh, rock opera and Bojack kind of like, uh, he sabotages it by giving Todd a video game for him to get addicted to. Um,

[01:08:24] we find out later on that it's Bojack in the moment. We don't know, but later on by the end of the episode, you find out that it's Bojack sabotaging his friend so that he doesn't like outgrow him and move on. And he can still live on his couch. And I sat there watching it. I sat there when I, when that moment happens, I'm just like, damn Bojack, that's kind of messed up. Like that sucks. Like you suck. And I was thinking, damn, now I got to keep watching this show to find out how they redeem this character. And from there,

[01:08:54] I'm on the rollercoaster ride of a lifetime. I do not like emotional shows. I do not like everything we've named to this point, has been laughing, joking. I don't think I've named something that wasn't at least a little funny. Bojack had me in a blender. I'll talk about, I remember sitting on the edge of my bed at night one time being like, damn, like they really did. They, they really did princess Caroline like that. For real. And fuck that mouse.

[01:09:24] You know, I was sitting on the edge of my bed. That damn owl showed up. I was, I lost sleep over that last season of Bojack Horseman. Mari. I know you like Bojack as well. This is my, this might be like survivor is my favorite show of all time. It's got the longest run. It's been consistent in my life. It's gone nowhere. It's given me so much. Bojack probably means like it's, it's pretty close for this show to be so new for that to me to feel so strongly about this. Yes.

[01:09:52] And when I say Bojack is you hoarded coded, I don't mean like the asshole part, not that part, but all the other. Or the drug use. You know. No, Bojack. Yes. Bojack Horseman. I was the same way. I didn't watch. I think I didn't start watching until season four. Yes. Season four, which is my, that is my favorite season of Bojack. Um, and,

[01:10:21] and because my, um, my cousin, my cousin in law was like, you gotta watch Bojack Horseman. You gotta watch Bojack Horseman. I was like, okay, whatever, whatever. I watched it. Um, I want to say that weirdly the first episode that actually stuck with me was the underwater episode with no words. That, that went from my least favorite episode to my favorite episode back to my least favorite episode. And that's my favorite episode again. So yeah, I understand. Right. It's not even about being a favorite episode. So it just was something so different that it may be like,

[01:10:50] finally like sit up and be like, huh? You know? Um, but Bojack in itself, it is one of, it has one of the greatest rep representations of like alcoholism, anxiety, like mental health issues that aren't necessarily portrayed in TV shows, let alone animated TV shows. it, it is just astounding. It's an astounding piece of work. Death. It be.

[01:11:20] Oh my God. The last season, like you said, the, how they, how they animate and picture death. Shook me to my core. I'm like, Oh my God. Um, Sarah Lynn. Final. Yeah. Woo. To this day. Um, his mother's, his mother's episode. Yeah. To this day. Like I,

[01:11:51] it's like, and then on the flip side of all of like, the, the, like really emotional episodes are the real, like, like thought provoking episodes. You have like, uh, you have like the, um, the fracking episode. Yes. Where all the celebrities get caught. Shout out to RuPaul. Yes. Yeah. I get caught in, uh,

[01:12:19] Mr. Peanutbutter is like collapsed house. Like you have, you have all of that, you know, and it is the funniest show. Yeah. And then you watch, you know, like you said, Princess Caroline's episode, Ruthie. And it's just like, why are we, it, it makes you feel so many emotions. Like Bojack makes you feel so many emotions. And some of them aren't good. Some of them are like,

[01:12:50] like Bojack, just, just be a better person. Be better. Do better Bojack. Do better, you know? And not just him, but Diane too. Like, yeah. Awful humans. It's, you know? Yeah. So good. And it, and all of this in the backdrop of like, anthropomorphic, uh, animals. Like, it's so like the vehicle is so weird, but it, it delivers such a punch. It, uh, my God, I'm,

[01:13:19] I might have to go and watch Bojack. Yeah. I'm probably going to watch it as well. Yeah. just because it just, it's my comfort show in a, in the same way Grey's Anatomy is my comfort show. Yeah. Um, because I am not an emotional person by any stretch of imagination. Like my emotions kind of go from like happy to jovial, to excited, to like up here. It's kind of like the scales only on this side. Every now and then I get annoyed, but I'm rarely like depressed or sad. And if I am, I'm probably still laughing and joking my way through it because look at, look at what I've been watching my whole life. Right.

[01:13:49] Um, and I understand Bojack on like a molecular level, like the, the horse, me and the horse understand you. Cause he's the same way as I am. He's going to laugh and joke his way through every serious moment in life. The problem is he's not a good person slash horse. And so, you know, the times where, you know, where someone, like I said, I understand him. I don't necessarily relate to the things that he does, but when he's, when his thought process gets going, Oh, I can see the mistake he's about to make. And I see it a mile away. Yeah. And I, and I, and I was like,

[01:14:18] I'm with him on the journey, everything that he does. I'm like, why does Bojack do this? And then he does it. It's like, he doesn't shock me. Like I said, that one time he shocked me. And then from there I was like, no, I understand. I get this horse. Okay. Bojack Horseman. Wait, what's one time? Like I said, that first time when he, when he sabotaged, I wasn't watching the show that closely. I wasn't really paying attention. Right. That episode really made me stop and think like, damn, well, why would you do that to your friend?

[01:14:47] And then I realized what I was watching. And there are so many episodes where I've watched them a billion times and they're like the saddest episode ever, but I'm dying laughing throughout. And then they're like, you didn't at the end, you're like, damn, I forgot this was a sad episode. Yeah. Some of my favorite episodes are the sad ones. Yeah. Yeah. The last season I made my cousin watch all of Bojack and he watched the last season without me. I was like, he would come over to the house and we would watch Bojack and then like, I'd fall asleep because I'd seen it a billion times, but he would watch it. And one time I like woke up. I was like, what are you,

[01:15:17] what's the, what's the episode you on? He was like season. He was like the last season. I was like, wait, are you okay? He's like, nah, I don't know though. Like why you got me watching this? He's like, I'm examining my own childhood and my own upbringing and it's that. And I was like, yeah, cause you kind of have to watch him Bojack. You just, you know, that last season was just pitch perfect. Like the narrative of, okay, did Bojack finally turn the corner? Did he, is he finally a better person only for it to be like, does it matter?

[01:15:46] Because now all of the horrible shit that he's done over the past few seasons is finally coming to light and he's finally like getting his like comeuppance through it. And it's like, Oh, Oh my God. The last season. Yeah. Yeah. That that's yeah. That's it. The last season is just like, damn, you was a bad person for so long. They're like, now here's chickens. Come to roost. Landing. Yeah. It's so good. It really is.

[01:16:16] Um, and yeah, it's just, it's so introspective. It's so funny. It's so well-written. It's smart. The cast is crazy. Like they're bringing in, like, it's such a diverse cast in general, just like the people that bring in the cameos, all that kind of stuff. It's so fun, but also like deeply troubling. And I, you know, and like, now that we're talking about it and I have to be introspective, like, yeah, I grew up in a chaotic household, you know? Uh, so there's a lot of Bojack where it is deeply relatable. Uh, you know, where I'm like, damn, that sucks.

[01:16:46] It's like, and like, what did you do Chappelle to kind of, you know, Medicaid, uh, from all of the things that you saw in your childhood? It's like, I started to laugh. I started to make people laugh. Cause I thought, you know, that was it. That's how you heal. And, uh, I watched Bojack basically have the same struggle I have, but kind of lose. And so that's Bojack. Ooh, I am looking at this, this, uh, episode list of, uh, Bojack. Mm. Mm.

[01:17:16] Yeah. Like, like my body is getting anxious thinking of some of those episodes. So good. It's my show. Uh, I guess I watch it when I'm, when I'm happy and I watch it like when I just, when I, like when I'm bored and it, it makes me go through all those range of emotions, but I feel like I can feel watching Bojack and Grace. The only two shows that I can make me feel every time. And, and then I can turn it off and go back to being happy. That's all I get. Let me turn it on,

[01:17:45] get some emotions in here and then go back to where things are normal. Okay. Um, it helps you get those emotions out. It really does. Like I had to like really sit with Bojack for, I was shocked that nobody like, I was like, I felt, I felt like people were undersell the show to me, you know? Like I was like, but then I thought, I was like, yeah, well, I was like, people said it was good, but nobody told me I was going to be sitting here examining my own childhood. Right. And I don't think everybody has to, I don't think Bojack means that for everybody, but for me, it's a nail on the head. Interesting.

[01:18:15] Yeah. Yeah. Huh. Growing up a rodeo clown, you know, like that's kind of the thing. Bojack is like, how do you grow up to be literally like a show, you know, your whole time? Um, I just, yeah. I, I just look at some of the episode titles and I'm like, Oh my God. Like I'm free churro. And I, yes. Time zero. Get me out of here.

[01:18:45] There's the, uh, the episode with, um, Bojack is firing princess Caroline and the whole episode, she just refuses to be fired. And she's just like, Bojack, you are my friend. We go way back. I've tried it all. I, you know, I've like, but I am begging you give me another chance. And it's just gut reaching. Cause he's just kind of like, nah, it's just like, damn.

[01:19:14] this is like, whoo, um, dang. Well, you took me there, man. All right. That was number nine. All right. Okay. What's 10? Let's close it out. All right. Uh, before Bojack, my favorite prestige television show of all time. Yeah. I'm elementary. Abbott's here. Abbott's current. Abbott is. It's the moment. It is the moment. It is the most fun I have talking about television currently.

[01:19:44] Um, I get to talk about it with you every other week. Uh, no, it was fun. yeah, this is the current television show that I'm so happy. Like the same way where I really got, I felt like I got the bomb with you and Latonya over like Atlanta. Me and Gia are doing like some, we're having so much fun talking about Abbott. It's so smart. I'm an educator, uh, went to school for working for education. Lord worked in education for a long time. I've seen, I've seen things.

[01:20:11] I've seen these same problems in these school districts on a like granular level. Right. And so to see them reflected, uh, in this predominantly black school, I grew up in predominantly black schools. At no point have I ever been in a school where I was in, in the majority. Like it has just never happened. I mean, there's elementary school, middle school, high school, college. It was just, I just never surrounded by people who didn't look at it. Look like me. So we had a lot of these same systemic issues, you know, a lot of the same, like you're in a poorer school district or your school gets overlooked because it

[01:20:41] doesn't have a lot of life, you know, wealthy people or taxpayers around. Like you're kind of in a, in an area that kind of gets, um, it has a fin for itself. And you have to have teachers who will go above and beyond to be that for these kids, to be, um, what the kids need to just get a baseline education, not, not go above me. I don't want to get like, this is not the best education in the world. They're just trying to make it, you know, get these kids books, rugs to sit on and stuff like that. That's the kind of world that I grew up in.

[01:21:09] And then I became a teacher for that exact reason. I went on to do those same exact things. So I've seen the people on Abbott elementary in my real life. I see them reflected on the show. I see them reflected in the kids and I know how hard it is to live in that life. And so for them to be able to tell this story about this elementary school with these, um, amazing characters, this teachers, the students, and to make it honest and funny,

[01:21:37] this is just like perfect television for me right now. It is so good to just have something, that's joyful. Like, honestly, something that's predominantly black, like you said, and be joyful, be funny, like a sitcom that we do not need to infuse think pieces into it or horrible situations. We, I think, um, I don't know if you and G has talked about it, but people saying like, oh,

[01:22:04] Abbott should do like a school shooting to bring awareness. No, no, no, no, shoot up the mother schools. Don't shoot up at it. Exactly. Like, like it is, it is just such pure fun. Like we need that right now. We need that period. You know what I'm saying? And shout out to Quinta. She really like,

[01:22:31] just created something that we all needed. Like so many people relate to this show. Also, she is a comedic genius. She was just on Drag Race this, this, um, past week. and she was there for a comedy challenge and she was giving them notes. And my God, she was there for the snatch game. You might want to watch that episode. Uh, she was there for the snatch game and, uh, on untucked,

[01:22:59] she came and she was the comedic note. She was given the, the girls. I was like, this lady is smart. Like Quinta knows comedy. She's smart. Like, it was so funny. Like she would talk, she would be on the judges panel. She would, uh, tell like one of the girls, like you did your character like this. You should have did the character kind of like this. And every time she would do it, RuPaul would be like, RuPaul would chuckle. Like every time,

[01:23:29] because every suggestion that she gave to improve them, would have is like the funniest thing. Like she is just brilliant, like has a brilliant mind for comedy. And I just love to see her win as somebody who like started doing like internet skits for Buzzfeed for her to be on this Emmy winning show that she produced, created stars in that brings so much joy to people,

[01:23:58] reviving people's careers, like just astounding. Like I can't say anything else about Abbott. It's just so good. This is my current favorite, uh, sitcom is my, my current favorite, like, you know, scripted show, uh, right now. Um, I have no notes. It, to me, it's a perfect, a perfect product. Every episode is very, like, you can tell there's a lot of care in it, the cast, you can tell that there's a lot of,

[01:24:28] of like, like Quinta put so much of herself into, you know, the project. I think that they highlight the children in a way that is just very smart. And also very, again, very honest. And I think that they, uh, they approach these subjects that are happening in the schools, um, charter schools, whether it's, you know, how local strikes and stuff like that can affect community, whatever the case may be. They, they, they address it all in a way that makes you still laugh and smile at the end of the day. And it's like, they want to teach you,

[01:24:57] but they want the medicine to go down, you know, in a, in a easy way. Right. And, uh, that's something that I aspire to do. Like, right. When me and you and Latonya talk about Atlanta and snowfall and insecure, we could easily get on there and be like, and this is why, why people be tripping, you know, who wants to hear that? You know, like there are definitely ways that you can, you can maybe like enlighten people up to like, you know, different struggles of different communities, X, Y, Z, without always being so finger wacky, you know, it's like,

[01:25:27] no, nobody want to get fussed at every time they turn on, you know, turn on the TV or turn on the podcast or whatever. And so Abbott does a really good job of being like, Hey, let me highlight this one thing that you might not have thought about. And then kind of show you the humanity around it. Where I show you the kids and the people who are affected by it. And so, yeah, this is a number 10, Mari. Number 10. Yeah. I learned so much about you, Chappelle, even though we could learn more. Well, there's always movies, Mari. I was going to say,

[01:25:58] or people signed the petition to get Chappelle on Matt's pod friends. Uh, one day. This is basically pod friends. So let's just send this to Matt. He can do his little introduction and then just play this same episode. I ain't going on pod friends. I can't tell all my business. Okay. So Chappelle, I feel like I infinitely know you way more now. Uh, thank you for sharing. Uh,

[01:26:26] I will continue to pull information out of you as much as I possibly can for the people. Um, everybody listening, please in the, in the comments, in the notes, show some Chappelle, some love, give us your input on, uh, his, his TV shows and all of that. Yeah. I love it. Like looking at your list, it was like, okay, here's how Mari is like, she's funny, but also she's a science person. And me throughout was just like, right.

[01:26:57] He's like, this man is a clown. And that's it. You know, pretty one note throughout, you know, no, we get it. We get it. dang, that's crazy. That felt very therapeutic to talk about it. Cause I didn't realize how much of the TV that I watched really felt like, like I could put myself in a place and time of when I was watching it and kind of, you know, the environment that I was in kind of made me feel like, like, yeah, this is, this was part of my growing up.

[01:27:26] It wasn't something I was just doing. It was something I experienced, you know? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. All right. Well, that's it. That's 10 shows about. Yeah. 10 greatest shows of all time. According to Chappelle, let us know what you think about it. Um, you know, put it in the comments, make sure you join our Facebook group, recap, keep back.com slash Facebook. Um, let us know what you think. Um, YouTube comments, obviously Instagram, all that good stuff. Uh,

[01:28:23] let us know. surprisingly, this has been the longest black history. It's been the longest black history month. It's like, is this a leap here? What's going on? You know, this is, okay. This is nice. It's like, y'all got money. This black history month, even though I think technically it got canceled. Didn't it get canceled? I thought. no, thank you. Like history month. No. Yeah. President said, not mine. Not mine.

[01:28:53] Oh, Maury. Tell everybody where they can find you, what you're working on. Of course here every week. But other than that, over on the crime scene podcast, if you go to crime scene pod.com, that's crime S E E N pod.com. You can listen to me and Sarah Carradine, break down a true crime documentaries, docu series, docu dramas, rate them and tell you if you should watch them. Uh,

[01:29:22] this week we had a very special guest, my dad. Uh, now, uh, delve deep into my psyche, definitely go and listen to this week's episode. My dad joined us to talk about surviving black Hawk down. It's a three part docu series on Netflix that, that talks about the battle of Mogadishu, also known as, um, uh, the day of the Rangers in Somalia,

[01:29:51] or also known as black Hawk down. It's based, uh, the movie black Hawk down is based on this battle. And, uh, the, the, the docu series was, uh, a very, uh, like tough watch in like the subject matter, but a very necessary watch. And me, Sarah and my dad, Tony, uh, had a great time, like really talking about it and breaking it down. And it was so fun to share that with, um,

[01:30:21] with him, uh, cause my dad has his own podcast. He's had his own podcast for a year now too, as well. So, um, if you want to hear a little bit more about my life as a military brat, uh, definitely go there. And of course, crime scene pod is over on the good place, blue sky at crime scene pod. We are still in the bad place as well, but you know, just go check us out, leave, um, some ratings and reviews, subscribe, all that good stuff. Um,

[01:30:51] over on the love at first sight feed with Jason Asia. I'm still covering season 18 of married at first sight with them. Um, a doozy of the season, a doozy. We had an amazing live episode last week that broke the internet. Uh, so you can go check that out over on the Rob has a podcast, YouTube page, and subscribe to the love at first sight feed as well. Um, Shabelle, what do you got going on? I'm doing a lot, but I'm only going to promote recap kickback.

[01:31:21] So check out our brand steel here. Uh, we got our black history, my brand steel with the cartoon characters playing survivor, me, Gia and a ball bangers, Isaiah himself are going to take you through that simulation this week. Uh, and then, uh, next week, G and I, I think Abbott is taking a week off. And so, uh, and I will be back next week to talk about more Abbott elementary. And then Mario and I will be talk, talking about other things as well as the month goes on. You can catch me on the pro pants podcast as well, where I talked to Bryce Isaiah about Luther Vandross,

[01:31:51] uh, the never too much documentary. It was fun time. Listen back to it. It was incredible. It was so much fun talking to Bryce. Happy birthday to the purple pants, bad-ass. Uh, cause his birthday coincides with black history month and recap kickback. And so we celebrate all that stuff. And for this month, um, yeah, that's it. You catch me, uh, here recap kickback, uh, all social media platforms at recap kickback, and make sure you subscribe and tune in next week to see what Mario and I have in store for you coming next. Oh shit.

[01:32:20] Awesome. I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to miss this plug. I'm going to be joining. There was a good though. Podcast people because this week they are, well, they're recording this week. So it'll come to soon. I'll make sure to post the link. They're talking about the movie Django and I have opinions about Django. And so I'll be joining them and I'll make sure to put that link in our community, uh, section on the YouTube page and on the Facebook group. Cause every time you promote us, we don't promote. Was it good though?

[01:32:50] As well. Cause they, they party with us and we party with them. So check that out. Uh, check me out talking about Django. If you want to hear somebody drag Quentin Tarantino, I am the guy. And so, uh, yeah, tune into that and tune in next time to recap kickback for Mario. And for myself, you ain't got to go home, but you got to get the hell up out of here. We'll talk to you next time. Peace.