The Walking Dead Daryl Dixon S2: The Book of Carol Ep 3 Recap

[00:00:17] What's up everybody and welcome back to The Walking Dead Daryl Dixon The Book of Carol Season 2 Episode 3.

[00:00:23] That's right here on the Zombie Kickback on Recap Kickback. It's me your host Chappelle and we're going to be talking about The Walking Dead Daryl Dixon The Book of Carol Season 2 Episode 3.

[00:00:34] And with me the Zombie Kickback crew right in front of me it's Jessica Lease. Jessica welcome back.

[00:00:41] Thank you very much Chappelle. I told a crazy lady back there that I was here to kill you but I just want you to be aware that I'm not going to do that.

[00:00:50] Definitely not gonna kill me 100%.

[00:00:52] No, despite what I told the crazy lady.

[00:00:54] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And with us we have AJ? Question mark?

[00:00:59] Yeah, I'm you know I'm hanging outside my house right now. I know there's a way in. I just can't seem to find it. Just three or four more laps I'll find the secret rock I get to climb and then I'll be right inside.

[00:01:09] You could do the rocks by the big rocks by the cave in the woods. You know, I think it's easier to find than maybe the entrance.

[00:01:16] Um, but yes, I'm very happy to have you both because we have to talk about what we just watched uh this week on The Walking Dead.

[00:01:24] Um, we have uh Carol. She's made it to the uh, she's made it to the fortress and now Carol uh might be standing in front of the firing squad as she tries to find Daryl Dixon.

[00:01:36] Uh, this was a very interesting episode for Carol. I thought there were moments where I was like look at Carol doing the things that Carol does best.

[00:01:44] And also moments where I thought oh damn Carol you kind of screwed this one up. Uh, Jess, how did you feel about the episode overall?

[00:01:51] Well, I I thought it was too easy for Carol and then I was relieved to find out that it was not too easy for Carol.

[00:01:57] Yeah, she basically just kind of shot herself in the foot there. Um, it was it was it was a nice try on her part.

[00:02:07] But I think you should have got her outmaneuvered and I kind of like watching Carol get outmaneuvered for once.

[00:02:13] Yeah, I really appreciated that too because like you said it's starting to feel you know The Walking Dead is very formulaic in a lot of ways.

[00:02:20] But it's starting to feel like okay Carol's a secret agent Daryl's a secret agent whatever they do is always going to end up in their own favor.

[00:02:27] If Daryl has to fight his way through a billion people he's going to be able to do it with broomsticks and tinnert tubes and all kinds of stuff just to get it done.

[00:02:34] And Carol is a top secret spy and she can come in and lie to people and nobody ever betrays Carol.

[00:02:40] She's the only one doing the backstabbing here. But in this episode we were reminded that no Carol is human and that she can make some mistakes.

[00:02:48] And so, um, I was very impressed with her attempt. She comes in saying oh, yeah, Daryl is my brother.

[00:02:53] And then when she gets cautious like no, I want to kill him. I actually want to kill him, you know, so there are moments where she's pivoting.

[00:03:00] But when she gets caught both times I was I was actually kind of happy. I'm not gonna lie to you. It might kind of humanize a little bit just

[00:03:07] Yeah, is she deserves to get caught? Mm-hmm

[00:03:09] Like just the the audacity that like everybody's just gonna trust her because she's Carol. Yeah, you know that was going to come around like eventually

[00:03:20] You know, I know that 99% of the world's population has been wiped out

[00:03:24] Mm-hmm

[00:03:25] But you know, there still might be somebody that can outmaneuver you and

[00:03:30] So I

[00:03:31] Wonder how she's gonna get herself out of this because I want to be clear. I think she is gonna still get herself out of this

[00:03:36] I'm not an idiot, but

[00:03:39] It's nice to feel like there's a little bit of stakes here

[00:03:42] A little bit, uh, aj

[00:03:44] Carol's whole thing at first was i'm here to see my brother. That is my thing

[00:03:48] Uh, and then she gets back uh backstab

[00:03:51] By her new homie remi who's trying to get to julian

[00:03:55] And i'm sitting there thinking man, this guy sucks. I can't believe he did that to carol

[00:04:00] But when he looks at carol dead and just deadpans. Oh, you wouldn't do the same thing for daryl. I was like well carol

[00:04:06] What you got to say about that?

[00:04:09] Yeah, no, I I was very happy that the episode ended

[00:04:14] How it did because

[00:04:16] You know, I was so frustrated that all of carol's machinations. This was just so

[00:04:21] So easy for her this whole was like

[00:04:24] Oh, no one can get out the location of where daryl is hiding. Ah

[00:04:29] I'll get it. Give me two seconds talking to the tattoo guy. Yeah, I know where he is now cool

[00:04:34] You know, and then it's like, okay, well, um

[00:04:38] I'm gonna just go with you. Oh, I don't know. I'll take it right to daryl. I'll take you

[00:04:42] No problem

[00:04:42] In fact, i'll explain everything along the way and i'll treat you like you're my second in charge because

[00:04:48] Like I was like wait a second. Are you seriously what?

[00:04:51] Leader in the right mind would take carol along and

[00:04:54] You know fill her in on everything and like, you know, you know, she watches the experiments and they're just like hey

[00:04:59] Don't watch our secret experiments. Just walk over there

[00:05:03] Like no repercussions or anything and I'm just like for the warning

[00:05:06] Yeah, so it's just like it was so nice for like the tables to finally turn it down and go

[00:05:11] Oh, no, i'm gonna get you exactly what you want and i'm evil by the way

[00:05:14] And ha ha enter the fire line. It was such a relief because otherwise I might have said you know what guys

[00:05:19] This is my last episode. I can't do it. Yeah

[00:05:22] The zombie apocalypse has gotten a little bit too unbelievable for me

[00:05:26] Uh, no, I I agree 100. Uh, I I did like carol's second tactic, you know when she's

[00:05:32] Caught by uh, marion, uh, she's sitting there and she's like, okay, do I lie or do I tell the truth?

[00:05:37] I'm gonna tell the truth. I'm gonna I I got here

[00:05:40] It wasn't 13 years ago and i've been stranded in paris this whole time

[00:05:44] I got here two days ago. I came here to find daryl dixon. I'm being completely honest. I

[00:05:50] I manipulated a guy I got his plane

[00:05:52] She's being so honest in fact that she

[00:05:55] Explains the plot of the first two episodes and and in the process, you know, we get to hear out loud

[00:06:00] How preposterous it is that she's here. I love that part of it

[00:06:05] I loved it

[00:06:06] I loved it. Mary just bought it too. She laughed

[00:06:08] She was like okay, girl. Keep going

[00:06:11] Then I went to greenland and there were these crazy researchers. They were gonna use them as a sperm donor

[00:06:15] I'm like, yeah, that was actually the plot last week wasn't it?

[00:06:18] The writers are looking at themselves like yeah, that is funny if you say it out loud

[00:06:22] Kind of crazy, but she pivots she says

[00:06:26] Yeah, and i'm here to kill daryl dixon and I was like, okay carol

[00:06:30] I wasn't expecting that but you're right. A.J. There was a moment where I was like, is this gonna work?

[00:06:35] Is this really gonna work like yes, we're gonna take you to the fortress

[00:06:38] We're gonna drop you off so you can be the one to get we owe you that much carol. We just

[00:06:43] Oh, you do

[00:06:45] There are seasons of the walking dead when that would have happened

[00:06:48] Yes

[00:06:50] Something that the walking dead has been really bad at is

[00:06:54] The interiority of every single character on the screen

[00:06:58] Because we get a lot of like this character shows up and because it's rick grimes or because it's carol or because it's daryl

[00:07:06] The you know

[00:07:07] Everybody else falls in line and treats them like daryl or carol

[00:07:11] It's like these people have no idea who the f these people are

[00:07:15] Carol shows up. It's like she doesn't have a reputation that goes all the way to fricking france

[00:07:20] You know, she's just some rando lady who showed up

[00:07:23] And remy doesn't owe her anything. No, you know, they met two days ago

[00:07:28] Um, you know i'm remy. I do the exact same thing because I don't know who you are. My husband's over there. I'm

[00:07:34] And same thing like marion

[00:07:36] This has no reason to be like, oh, well, that's a pretty good story

[00:07:40] I'm just gonna scuttle all of my pre-existing plans to get to daryl

[00:07:45] And I also like that it seems like she kind of knew

[00:07:49] That they were going to montsaint michelle like she figured it out on her own

[00:07:53] Because that was like that pocket watch with the picture was sitting on her desk for like weeks

[00:07:59] And she wasn't figuring it out

[00:08:02] She said I think we got it. I think we got it now. Thanks carol. She's had it for a while. Yeah. Yeah

[00:08:07] You make you make really good points about these

[00:08:09] Like we know we're not going to get any really big character losses

[00:08:12] So when they come in and they're faced with all

[00:08:14] The three of us none of us are even remotely concerned about carol in this moment

[00:08:18] Not even a little bit ended in a cliffhanger. She's staring down the barrel of several guns and we're just like

[00:08:23] So anyway on the next episode i'm sure she'll be out of this somehow

[00:08:27] I think the walking dead had gotten predictable in that way in a lot of ways honestly

[00:08:31] And so this this definitely was a refreshing take on it

[00:08:34] Because on the flip side there's another character who just has immunity for some reason and it's daryl dixon

[00:08:40] Daryl dixon fought his way through an army of uh

[00:08:44] Religious zealots with nothing but just like household items. He threw a knife at somebody. It was it was very impressive

[00:08:51] Comma butt why is he still alive? They've captured the man. Why have they let daryl live this long?

[00:08:57] Why didn't they shoot him?

[00:08:59] Four guys had guns pointed at him and they just didn't shoot him. Why he they don't he doesn't have anything they need

[00:09:06] No, no

[00:09:07] He has nothing they need. It's not like

[00:09:11] He absconded with laurent hit him somewhere and has now come back where you could maybe rationally argue

[00:09:17] He's the only one who knows where laurent is hiding. So we need him alive. Otherwise, we'll never find our messiah

[00:09:22] No, laurent for all they know is hiding in another cubbyhole somewhere in the place. They don't know that he's actually gone gone yet

[00:09:29] so

[00:09:30] I mean

[00:09:31] Yeah, I love the first person shooter kind of born identity magazine fighting that he's doing

[00:09:37] But yeah, he should be dead

[00:09:40] He should be dead

[00:09:41] Period

[00:09:42] Period

[00:09:43] Shoot him just shoot him, you know

[00:09:46] It's funny because had he been the only one who knew where the messiah was hidden and that was that would have been so typical of the walking dead

[00:09:52] Like wait, you can't kill me because I know the thing that you need to know

[00:09:55] So i'm definitely necessary. Daryl even tries it. He says wait, wait, I can take you to him. They're like

[00:10:01] Daryl, please we've moved on

[00:10:03] We've moved on with life

[00:10:04] I just don't know why he keeps getting away with this stuff, but that's the show is daryl dixon season two the book of carol

[00:10:11] They're not going anywhere. Yes

[00:10:13] They're not

[00:10:13] You know, they are

[00:10:16] The names are both in the title

[00:10:17] So yes, you know unless you're like

[00:10:22] You know and there's very few circumstances where you can get away with having someone's name in the title of the show and then killing them off

[00:10:30] So this would be tough

[00:10:32] Yeah, it almost never happens

[00:10:34] So I you know who doesn't have plot armor though and you know who I was very worried about this episode was isabelle

[00:10:40] Because we got the scene where they talked about the happy place that they're gonna go to afterwards

[00:10:46] Usually when you talk about the happy place you're gonna go to afterward there is no afterward

[00:10:50] Why is the happy place ohio?

[00:10:52] Why how did we end up here?

[00:10:55] That is my

[00:10:55] Gen alpha has a whole thing about ohio

[00:10:58] What is going on? Why ohio all the places

[00:11:05] You're gonna go back to america to go live in cleveland

[00:11:09] Well, isn't that where the commonwealth is the commonwealth in ohio?

[00:11:13] I don't know. I don't know

[00:11:15] I thought pittsburgh but they're close enough

[00:11:18] No princess was in pittsburgh. They went through pittsburgh on their way to ohio

[00:11:23] For some reason

[00:11:24] I want to see if I could do a quick google or something. Maybe they have a location. Yeah, it is the commonwealth is in ohio

[00:11:30] So I guess that's where uh, daryl was uh describing

[00:11:33] Going to live at the happy place with isabella. Of course, lauron could go to school. Everything can be normal

[00:11:39] I said has he been paying attention to the show we're watching since when

[00:11:45] You can go hang out with judith and rj

[00:11:47] Yeah, they can have ice cream whenever they want. They can even have a haunted house. Yeah, that's fun. Remember that episode

[00:11:53] I do remember that episode

[00:11:55] A bunch of cash which has value in this world. Yes

[00:12:00] Yeah, it's funny that you bring up isabella not uh, you know, maybe not having the plot order to survive this

[00:12:06] And and that is one of the other big questions I have

[00:12:08] It seems like her and daryl are very locked in we get the very touching scene of them

[00:12:14] But you know the the good shot of them on the other sides of each wall as they are prisoners

[00:12:18] Um, tell me a story. I just want to hear your voice. I'll like you want to hear daryl's voice?

[00:12:23] We've been covering this show for years and I barely know his voice. Uh, it's just brown a little bit

[00:12:28] There's a reason his last love interest was death right exactly

[00:12:32] It's so uh, they're holding hands across the wall. Um, there's you know ripped away from each other. I'm like is she

[00:12:40] Is is isabelle gonna even survive this episode not nonetheless the whole season this is this cannot be the end game relationship aj

[00:12:48] Oh, it can be I mean certainly can be I wouldn't put the past this this storyline here. Um

[00:12:53] Yeah, I mean they're really cleaning house of season one characters

[00:12:57] So I was surprised for loo made it through the episode, you know after we saw sylvie take the accidental shove off the balcony

[00:13:04] um

[00:13:04] And and oh, how sweet like what better to turn laurent than someone he loves and who loves it

[00:13:10] Oh, please

[00:13:11] Right, um

[00:13:12] But yeah, they're just killing all of all the season one characters so I wouldn't have been surprised if she died

[00:13:17] Um, i'm a little disappointed. They didn't share a nice little uh cockroach uh by firelight there

[00:13:23] because the cockroaches are coming through the the the drain and we're like oh protein

[00:13:28] Let's go for it people

[00:13:29] But that that missed I don't I don't know where that is

[00:13:32] I I

[00:13:33] I think she has as much plot armor as anyone who isn't in the title at this point

[00:13:39] I could see the messiah not surviving because that you know, they would ruin the face and oh my gosh

[00:13:44] Like so that certainly would be interesting to see that he

[00:13:46] Can't actually survive the bites although just watch this show

[00:13:49] Watch this show have him actually survive the freaking bite by the end of the season

[00:13:53] Just watch them pull that crap on us

[00:13:56] I would love to see it and I mean, that's a really good point

[00:13:59] They even bring it up in this episode someone says so if

[00:14:03] if laurent gets bitten and dies

[00:14:06] Then what and the question is like, I don't know. I guess I guess it's over then. I guess we all just died, right?

[00:14:11] Yeah, losang is just like I didn't think about that

[00:14:14] I guess i didn't think about that dude

[00:14:16] Yeah, um, is that grounds for the mass uh, I guess uh murder or I guess

[00:14:22] Hey, hey, hey mass murder watch it. Oh, yeah, sorry

[00:14:26] The group suicide that could be coming this is we've we've creeped back into the cult

[00:14:30] Part of the walking dead we do this every season every season

[00:14:34] There's a community that's driven by one person who has the answers

[00:14:37] We find out that person's a crazy person at the end of the day. It's just a cult. We we are here now

[00:14:41] If this does not work if la rott does not survive the bite

[00:14:45] Losang just gonna kill everybody is that is that

[00:14:48] Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the best we have here in the zombie

[00:14:52] Apocalypse like let's risk it all on a child now

[00:14:54] My question about losang is is does is he aware?

[00:14:59] That that's his end game because he talks about how he's the leader of this community

[00:15:03] He's like, oh, yeah, I provide for this community. They're all living on faith

[00:15:07] But for somebody who knows that everything that they have hinges on faith alone

[00:15:12] Why is he trying to prove this real or false by any means?

[00:15:17] I would just let it let it ride the whole point is faith by proving

[00:15:20] uh, la rott is not the messiah

[00:15:23] That just gives him license to end all of this and I think that's his ultimate goal

[00:15:27] Is he just tired of waiting around or did he realize like oh the messiah is here and he's really really annoying?

[00:15:33] He sucks. Is that what it is?

[00:15:34] This kid's annoying

[00:15:35] Um, it feels like he's done

[00:15:38] I don't know. I think he's trying to spin his wheels to find a backdoor out of this

[00:15:42] I think it's this jacinta lady who's like kind of

[00:15:45] Pushing things forward and and advancing the ceremony and maybe

[00:15:51] Maybe if things go poorly

[00:15:53] You know, I can see lo saying his back

[00:15:55] She did it

[00:15:56] She

[00:15:58] Poisoned him or she you know some something where he can push the blame on her

[00:16:01] And and then come up with and besides real no daryl's the true messiah

[00:16:05] You know, he's gonna pivot on a dime and try to pull some crap like that

[00:16:09] It's like those guys that predict the end of the world every five years

[00:16:12] They're like, oh wait jk. I did the math wrong. It's actually gonna be 2028

[00:16:17] Yeah, sorry about that

[00:16:18] Yeah, but where do you find a new messiah like you said aj? I mean, what are they gonna do point to daryl at this point?

[00:16:23] Of course, of course look how many people had guns on him

[00:16:27] How many people could have killed him and he survived them all

[00:16:29] That's a really good point. That's a good point or maybe it's carol a lady who flew from america

[00:16:37] They're like in a plane sure lady sure there's a plane like this ladies this is this is jesus y'all

[00:16:43] Oh, oh could he have like a secret bible that like, you know, he's been reading from us like and you know on this messiah

[00:16:49] He's like yes, but look the name of my my book is the book of carol

[00:16:54] The book of carol is an actual item in this literal book. It's a literal book. Yes

[00:17:01] That that low saying happens to be preaching from and unbeknownst to all of us carol is actually the one who is

[00:17:07] Prophesized to save the day. That's a good point. The show is called the book of carol

[00:17:11] And so uh, it could very much be one of those things where we're gonna now like we have to pivot away from la rant

[00:17:17] Maybe carol is our new uh figurehead of this community and maybe they're all about to worship the ground carol walks on

[00:17:23] Because uh, you know, we know carol

[00:17:25] So we know she's not gonna die at the hands of this this gunfire. They uh, you know

[00:17:29] They sight they line up at the end of this episode

[00:17:31] Uh, but carol also she's pretty good at saving the day as well as carol comes in and cleans up a lot of this mess

[00:17:37] I can see these people just turning away from los angers and being like all right you now you do you want to be in charge?

[00:17:43] Somebody needs to run this place

[00:17:44] Uh, so calling it the book of carol actually now starting to make a little bit more sense to me jess

[00:17:50] Yeah, it it makes some sense that maybe maybe this whole thing was just a setup to get carol to run everything over there

[00:17:56] But on the other hand, I think what we're all overlooking here is that we have this

[00:18:02] Hostile group of religious zealots on one side

[00:18:05] And we have this equally hostile group of zombie science

[00:18:12] Killer people with a totalitarian leader on the other side

[00:18:16] And you know the unstoppable force is coming to the immovable object

[00:18:21] and

[00:18:21] It's almost like you know, just like kind of

[00:18:25] Carol and daryl and lauron and isabelle are probably just gonna slowly back away and like everything else like just let them kill each other

[00:18:32] Yeah, and we won't be sad about it now

[00:18:35] Because narratively we have just established that we don't care about what the union does because they're all crazy

[00:18:41] Yeah, good point. I mean we've lost all the characters we cared about from season one except for falu

[00:18:47] Isabelle and and lauron

[00:18:49] I highly doubt falu makes it through this uh, um lauron or isabelle both can go honestly daryl and carol could probably make it out of here

[00:18:56] And this just be another story that they have to tell and the grand scheme of walking in like remember that time

[00:19:00] We went to france

[00:19:01] They're just walking away from like a giant explosion

[00:19:04] Mm-hmm. That it happened. Um, yeah, I haven't seen an explosion that big since I's launched all those fireworks off of the roof

[00:19:12] Layers people

[00:19:13] Yeah, oh god. Yeah, I've forgotten about it. I haven't seen an explosion that big since I nuked terminus

[00:19:20] Oh, yeah, oh, do you remember that time we dropped that other nuke in uh fear of the walking in we've been dropping nukes left and right?

[00:19:26] I mean dear god, um, but yeah

[00:19:28] It it it does beg the question like how involved do they really have to be in this they have zero stakes?

[00:19:33] Um, there's no point in saving the religious community at all. There's no point in helping out with uh, uh,

[00:19:40] uh, marion's whole like setup. I guess

[00:19:43] Somebody needs to step in and make sure that they're not creating war machines with these zombies

[00:19:47] We do get the uh, the full plan which is hey, we're gonna train these zombies up

[00:19:52] um, we're going to inject them and then they're going to be more

[00:19:56] um, malleable

[00:19:57] We're gonna be able to like direct the zombies to what we want them to do this plan

[00:20:01] I don't know if it has any type of scientific backing like even when we saw them doing the testing

[00:20:06] It was like insert uh chemical into zombie zombie attacks. They killed the zombie. I didn't see any actual

[00:20:14] You know progress being made here. He didn't shake hands. He didn't sit. Yeah, you didn't

[00:20:20] Don't be a zombie under somebody's control aj

[00:20:23] Yeah, that would be nice. I mean, you know

[00:20:26] What's what's really weird though is that the soldiers are actually under the control that they want the zombies to be in like, you know

[00:20:31] They can make her beat off the floor

[00:20:32] And you know without a second's hesitation jump

[00:20:36] Yeah, you know, so I mean

[00:20:39] Do they need a zombie army if they have obedient soldiers who are willing to like do that?

[00:20:44] I mean these people in the line before they throw carol in front of it are just like oh, no, no shoot me shoot me shoot me

[00:20:49] So it's brainwash central over there. I mean they're mindless zombies of a different sort don't you think?

[00:20:55] Yeah, and i'm very impressed at how much brainwashing she was able to do in this time because we saw that she was just what a janitor at the louvre

[00:21:04] Who has now taken full control of what's left of france?

[00:21:08] Uh, and she like you said she has these people pretty much

[00:21:12] Like climbing over each other to get shot and killed in front of everybody

[00:21:17] I mean eating food off the ground with no hesitation

[00:21:19] Um, just because she says resources are limited and you know, we don't do that here

[00:21:25] So go ahead and eat off the floor like this woman has has these people shook and I really want to know how we got here just

[00:21:32] Well, I mean if negan can start out life as a high school football coach. Yeah

[00:21:38] You know, yeah, glenn can start out as a pizza delivery guy

[00:21:42] Hmm. Okay. I see where you're going. So the the real story of the walking dead is that all these people from these random walks of life could all turn out to be like

[00:21:51] Murderous serial killers

[00:21:52] Yeah, or the villain or the villain depending on who you're talking about

[00:21:57] We we did we did have glenn the hero and then negan the villain and then this lady the villain and then um morgan a villain sometimes and

[00:22:04] There's a lot of villains. There's a lot of villains on the day. I don't know what morgan did before all of this

[00:22:09] I don't think anybody does

[00:22:10] I don't remember. I'm sure they told us but I at this point

[00:22:14] We've seen them be the the morgan the killer and morgan the peaceful so many times

[00:22:19] We got madison clark the guidance counselor. Yeah, yeah, we got strand the like

[00:22:25] Lay up out on a yacht

[00:22:30] Basically yeah, this lady has done a number on these people and I

[00:22:34] I will I know we don't have a lot of episodes left and I do hate when you get to the end of a series and then they decide

[00:22:39] Okay, now we're gonna give you the backstory right before we like it's like

[00:22:43] We we have some momentum going I actually think I want to see where this is going

[00:22:46] But it would be nice, you know, because we get the flashback of her working in the louvre

[00:22:50] And i'm assuming this is the day when the zombie apocalypse really started to take off

[00:22:56] In this area of paris, you know, they're talking about bomb threats people are locked outside

[00:23:01] And then next thing, you know, we see her husband

[00:23:05] AJ is the one who is murdered and she watches him get murdered right in front of her

[00:23:09] Which is obviously her villain origin story

[00:23:13] Yeah, I mean I I will never get tired of seeing the origin stories of any character

[00:23:20] In the zombie apocalypse. I I love that. How how does each character?

[00:23:25] Manage that first day. How how does this society this this town what happened here?

[00:23:30] I will never get tired of it and you know, we're talking about a woman who clearly

[00:23:34] Was so timid and shy she didn't even want to unionize because that that was be oh, no

[00:23:41] We couldn't possibly do that

[00:23:43] To go from the next second like she

[00:23:45] She was afraid to like open a door and argue for her husband to get him inside

[00:23:50] Like she wouldn't push back on that and now she's like I will never not push back ever again

[00:23:55] So you you could see I don't I don't buy that

[00:23:58] That that would have turned her around

[00:24:00] Immediately but 13 years down the road

[00:24:03] Sure, I can see where that that defining event could have shaped her into this kind of like

[00:24:09] Bizarre

[00:24:10] Oh, I will tell you whatever you want to hear

[00:24:14] Yeah, and you will do whatever I tell you to do

[00:24:18] I mean

[00:24:19] It it tracks that someone that anti-union would be so cavalier with

[00:24:24] Lining people up and shooting them. Yeah

[00:24:27] Yeah

[00:24:28] Yeah

[00:24:29] She uh, she tries to tell carol they have a moment right where um, you know, carol's doing her whole like

[00:24:35] I'm here to kill daryl and you wouldn't have met you could never imagine all I did to get here

[00:24:39] And I think she tells carol like yeah, us women we need to leave this baggage thing behind. We can't let this stuff, uh,

[00:24:44] You know be the reason why we're acting we're pulling like holding these grudges and stuff like that

[00:24:49] We have to forgive ourselves for all our losses until the whole time i'm sitting there thinking

[00:24:53] Okay, well

[00:24:54] Isn't that why you're here? Like aren't you still carrying on?

[00:24:57] Like i'm assuming that the villain origin story has to do with how you are acting right now, ma'am

[00:25:01] It doesn't feel like you let anything go as far as I was concerned. Maybe I missed it

[00:25:05] She's out caroling carol

[00:25:07] She's playing the oh, yes, i'm in charge here, but no no

[00:25:11] I'm a sweet person, you know, i'm the woman who is sticking up for the you saw me earlier

[00:25:18] You saw me sticking up for the cleaning lady like I I care for the common person the little person

[00:25:24] The the frail woman who all of us women are frail and uh, you know

[00:25:29] She's totally playing that the wolf in sheep's clothing

[00:25:31] That that carol loves to play and you know, I don't think we saw it

[00:25:35] So I do think it worked

[00:25:37] Jess, you don't think this is a feminist icon?

[00:25:41] I mean

[00:25:42] It's

[00:25:43] I I respect her rise to power

[00:25:47] I think

[00:25:48] She's a little bit short-sighted in some of her ideological thinking

[00:25:53] But yeah, i'm not mad at the like

[00:25:57] Using people's preconceived notions against them

[00:26:01] I kind of like it like she has some good points. Actually, it's just the whole like

[00:26:04] Murdering perfectly able-bodied individuals for the name of in the name of like letting them be crazy wild zombies for five minutes

[00:26:12] That's a little bit sus

[00:26:14] Yeah, and what exactly is her plan when it comes to the building the army because she talks about the union

[00:26:20] And how there's a whole like there's a war coming

[00:26:23] But is it literally just to weaponize like a big stack of these uh zombies that just

[00:26:28] What is she trying to do conquer europe like what is what is what's her goal?

[00:26:34] Yeah, I

[00:26:36] Well, especially because like half the time when you and I think it was because the zombie was old

[00:26:41] Like they injected him with stuff his head just exploded. Yeah, yeah, how long does this stuff last are they like?

[00:26:47] If you get a really fresh one are they just gonna be wild forever?

[00:26:51] Mm

[00:26:52] Why don't you just like round people up and like transport them to the place where you want to attack and then shoot them in turn

[00:26:58] That's kind of that's kind of what she's doing here

[00:27:00] I mean with this this lace latest case she's she all right, we're here

[00:27:04] All right, let's inject them and

[00:27:06] Go that way, you know point to in that direction

[00:27:08] I mean to like throw a stake in that direction

[00:27:11] You get all of it

[00:27:12] Yeah, yeah, but it's it's not that much different from you know, all you know all the stuff at the sanctuary was like oh

[00:27:18] Oh, here come all the walkers coming on in like it's it's the same

[00:27:22] Playbook

[00:27:23] It's just they happen to be juiced and on steroids

[00:27:26] Yeah, they they definitely were using the the herd mentality right of uh, the sanctuary was like, okay

[00:27:32] Let's bring them all this way. They've been doing that since very early on the walking dead

[00:27:35] Really like trying to get a horde of walkers to go do their dirty work

[00:27:38] But unless she has really figured out how to get them to follow instructions

[00:27:43] Turning them outside the gates of the door like of the of the fortress is like, okay

[00:27:47] Now you got to get them up that hill and through the door

[00:27:50] They were just standing right in front of them. What are they gonna do?

[00:27:54] Yeah close enough to shoot them up with the zombie juice

[00:27:56] And she didn't really like there's no like temple grandin zombie

[00:28:01] It's water shoot here

[00:28:04] She's really not it doesn't seem like a very good plan on us

[00:28:07] Yeah, and they're fast. These are the fast zombies that are supposed to like I think they call them the burners as well

[00:28:12] The ones that can blow up or maybe they can run really fast like bro

[00:28:15] You've been the super zombies and you're standing in front of them shooting them and not with the intention of killing them with the intention of using

[00:28:21] Them and I just don't understand what keeps them from now attacking you and leaving you to be you know today's dinner

[00:28:26] Uh, so I have a lot of questions about this in general and even when she gets through the fortress

[00:28:31] Then what you know like now does she just go back to all right?

[00:28:35] I got my army of zombies there and I got them herded in a little in a little cage

[00:28:40] Like where is she going with this and what's the motivation aj I have nothing

[00:28:46] I mean belgium

[00:28:49] I don't know

[00:28:50] I don't know it doesn't make a lot of sense

[00:28:54] I mean I I can see her using the the utility of using them to get rid of

[00:28:58] This group of people who are the ones who are

[00:29:01] Specifically out to get them

[00:29:03] That makes sense um beyond that

[00:29:05] I don't is that enough for her is

[00:29:08] Is that enough for her to say like you know what we can live in peace if nobody bothers us

[00:29:13] Yeah, maybe

[00:29:14] But I mean you'd still have to control them after the fact and like you said there

[00:29:18] There is no data that shows that they have mastered the art of uh proper injection amounts

[00:29:25] And proper containment after the fact

[00:29:28] It's like they had one tiny taste of success

[00:29:31] They're like, okay, we're good. We could do this. We can scale this up immediately

[00:29:35] Yep, that's not how science works

[00:29:37] That's

[00:29:38] No

[00:29:38] We need to replicate your results several times over

[00:29:40] And I mean, and you know our our friend the croat said it best people are a resource

[00:29:46] People are a resource

[00:29:48] Come on dad

[00:29:50] There's my guy

[00:29:51] We bring back the croat

[00:29:53] um, so

[00:29:54] I want to talk about sylvie because uh, poor one out

[00:29:58] Uh, I think this might be the biggest character death we've had in the walking dead in a while

[00:30:03] um, which is strange

[00:30:05] But sylvie uh goes out praying for la ron praying for strength to kill people so she can protect la ron and then trying to ring the bell

[00:30:13] On what exactly is going on?

[00:30:14] She's running around yelling they're killed

[00:30:16] They're gonna kill the boy

[00:30:17] They're gonna kill the boy before ultimately she accidentally falls to her death

[00:30:21] Uh, at the hands of these other religious folks and life just goes on nobody seemingly cares that uh

[00:30:28] We just watched sylvie get thrown off the balcony jess

[00:30:31] Yeah, this was this was weird to me because I feel like somebody would have been paying attention like

[00:30:37] Maybe we should hear what she's got to say right

[00:30:39] Like this is a little bit weird, you know, she shows up she's with la ron. She's very concerned. They're gonna kill her on

[00:30:45] Maybe I should be concerned like they might be trying to kill me, too

[00:30:48] Mm-hmm. She didn't have enough faith a. J. Well, yeah, and like there was a way to go about this

[00:30:55] I mean, obviously she's figured she's put two and two together. She's figured out. Oh, you know what?

[00:30:59] la ron's in danger

[00:31:01] You don't then run around screaming to everybody. Hey la ron's in danger. Come help me sneak la ron out of here

[00:31:08] Yeah, come help me sneak him out

[00:31:10] You know, yeah

[00:31:12] I can understand her going to the scullery maid and going hey, have you seen la ron? Do you know where he is?

[00:31:17] And when the scullery maid goes

[00:31:19] Because you know, she's an under five. She has no lines don't talk. Um, but

[00:31:23] Okay, go somewhere else like you you're still being given the freedom

[00:31:28] uh a little bit to walk around

[00:31:31] You know, but once you're locked in the cage, you know once you're locked in the room and you

[00:31:34] You bash someone like you know, all right, you've drawn the line

[00:31:37] They're going to kill you the next time they see you or at least

[00:31:39] Lock you up for good

[00:31:41] Like, you know, there's there's no walking back from this

[00:31:43] You have your little bit of freedom run around try and find him

[00:31:46] But drawing attention to yourself like ma'am

[00:31:49] Ma'am the name of this episode is l'invisible

[00:31:52] L'invisible

[00:31:56] She was not able she was not able to know

[00:31:59] um, so

[00:32:00] She she's murdered. Uh, well, she falls or whatever because she doesn't have enough faith

[00:32:04] And so now they're going to use her zombie body to do this ceremony

[00:32:10] On l'arant

[00:32:12] Um, there was a moment where I didn't quite realize that l'arant was drugged up

[00:32:16] You know, they made him drink

[00:32:17] Obviously

[00:32:18] Yeah, they roofied him

[00:32:18] Yeah, roofied him

[00:32:19] Uh, but there was definitely a moment where I was like l'arant you just gonna stand here and like

[00:32:23] I mean he would

[00:32:24] He would he's l'arant

[00:32:26] He is l'arant

[00:32:26] Because they even they even lampshade this because he's in there like talking to

[00:32:32] He's talking to l'arant and he's saying um

[00:32:34] Yeah, you need to drink this it's gonna calm you down and l'arant's like dude i'm calm

[00:32:38] This is normal

[00:32:40] Do I look upset?

[00:32:41] Yeah

[00:32:42] I'm chill

[00:32:43] No

[00:32:43] And again and again the excuse for this is it still makes me laugh every time l'arant goes

[00:32:49] Please it's part of the ceremony

[00:32:51] You know, you know this ancient ritual that we've been done

[00:32:56] Time and time never before this is the first time we're doing it

[00:32:59] It's tradition

[00:33:00] It's tradition

[00:33:02] Okay, you know he could have just said look

[00:33:04] Just you know

[00:33:05] Make me happy

[00:33:06] You know

[00:33:07] Just since she went she went a long way to make this and brew this

[00:33:10] It took her an hour

[00:33:11] She's gonna be

[00:33:12] That would work on l'arant

[00:33:13] You know

[00:33:14] Do something but like

[00:33:15] Okay, yeah

[00:33:18] Have the milk of the poppy nothing bad ever happens when you drink that

[00:33:21] Nothing bad ever happens

[00:33:21] Come on

[00:33:22] I believe they did say this uh drink was valerian uh or something to that effect

[00:33:26] Yeah, yeah

[00:33:27] I was like okay, there's some there's some synergy there

[00:33:29] Um

[00:33:30] I want l'arant to flip this thing

[00:34:01] I feel like

[00:34:03] I want to put themselves open because if they're saying this is based on faith

[00:34:05] Who are you gonna believe

[00:34:06] Lo-sang

[00:34:07] Are you gonna believe the actual messiah that was born from a zombie

[00:34:10] Jess, I think i'm on to something

[00:34:12] Yeah, like l'arant needs to grow a pair

[00:34:14] Yes, please

[00:34:16] Please

[00:34:17] He needs to step up and

[00:34:20] And he needs to come into his own power like haven't they been raising him to be like this great orator and like

[00:34:26] study philosophy and

[00:34:28] And all this stuff like is leading up to this moment

[00:34:31] And I

[00:34:33] Okay, first of all they should have waited a little bit longer like he's been there for 15 minutes

[00:34:38] And they're just like, okay, we're gonna speed up the ceremony like

[00:34:40] No, you need to like let the mythos of l'arant grow a little bit

[00:34:45] Like you need to let him, you know become a man at

[00:34:48] Inside the fortress and then

[00:34:51] Prove that he's the messiah because you know

[00:34:53] Jesus didn't do that when he was 12

[00:34:56] He went until he's 33

[00:34:58] Yeah, you said you set up like a

[00:35:01] Jail cell right with with a fake back door

[00:35:05] And you know you show everyone look he's locked in there we locked him in there

[00:35:08] There's no way out you said in three zombies

[00:35:10] But he knows where the secret back door is and he leaves and then you kill all the zombies

[00:35:15] When no one's looking and send him back in it's like see he survived the night with the three zombies and actually killed them with his bare hands and

[00:35:20] Like yeah, you smoke and mirror this until right until you are absolutely sure

[00:35:25] That you have the like that it's not gonna go south even if a zombie does bite him

[00:35:31] Yeah, I think that would have been much better

[00:35:33] Yeah, you find another kid that looks just like

[00:35:36] Exactly

[00:35:37] Laurent and Laurent

[00:35:38] Yeah, yeah

[00:35:40] Yeah, I agree

[00:35:42] I I feel like we're he's the missing piece

[00:35:44] I really do because I think that you can't fight your way out of this one

[00:35:47] They keep trying it

[00:35:48] You're gonna have to give these people something

[00:35:50] And it can't just be okay. Well y'all can still believe this, but we're taking Laurent

[00:35:55] He's gonna leave anyway

[00:35:56] Like something has to happen to really shift this from them having so much faith in this religion and losang

[00:36:02] To uh shift it back to okay

[00:36:04] Maybe we shouldn't let the kid get murdered or maybe you shouldn't let him uh get bitten

[00:36:08] Because if they truly believe that he's immune to this there's no reason for them to not go along with it

[00:36:13] They're like, all right. I mean he's immune. Let's see it. Jesus said he could turn water into wine get to it

[00:36:18] You know, it's like uh here

[00:36:20] They're like fine. I mean it's gonna happen. It's true

[00:36:23] Like I don't i'm not questioning this, but I think if they start to give them something else to believe in maybe

[00:36:29] Then you can kind of back out of this kind of early

[00:36:32] Um, but then there's the other world where you just let Laurent die

[00:36:34] You let it happen

[00:36:36] And then uh, and then you get the hell out of there, you know, I'm saying their worlds will be torn asunder

[00:36:41] But we don't know these people. Uh, aj we just got to paris. It hasn't been 13 years. It's literally been two days

[00:36:47] Let's get out of here

[00:36:48] Yeah, I mean I could see Laurent maybe

[00:36:51] Maybe manning up enough to tell flu like no we're not running

[00:36:55] We're going back and maybe the two of them cause some sort of distraction that gets carol out of her

[00:37:00] Shenanigans there, but most of them are still gonna get shot

[00:37:03] Most of them are still gonna get injected and maybe wouldn't it be wouldn't it be just great if like, you know

[00:37:09] They save carol and then all these uh fast zombies just maul Laurent to death

[00:37:14] And and then and then everyone inside

[00:37:17] You know, they're about to kill daryl inside and the horde led by now

[00:37:21] Laurent as a zombie

[00:37:24] Distracts them all and and that's what saves daryl

[00:37:26] We all love that

[00:37:28] You know, what's more likely though. Here's what's gonna happen

[00:37:30] Now that you've said this I know what's gonna happen

[00:37:32] Okay, excellent

[00:37:33] So they keep saying the zombies are gonna listen to somebody

[00:37:37] Zombies are gonna listen to non-zombie

[00:37:40] Laurent because he's the zombie messiah

[00:37:42] He's just gonna get up and like hold his hand up and part the waters of the zombies and the zombies are gonna obey his commands

[00:37:48] He's gonna kylo ren slash world war z

[00:37:50] Yes, yes, he is

[00:37:52] Oh, okay

[00:37:52] Okay, I appreciate that this these experiments might have been working

[00:37:56] But they're only gonna work when it's Laurent

[00:37:58] Okay, and then that that's perfect because zombie whisperer

[00:38:02] Yeah, I mean it wouldn't be awful to have a zombie whisperer around

[00:38:06] I mean that could be good for people

[00:38:08] Much better than the alternative of let them get bitten and then just like watch everybody freak out

[00:38:13] Because that does look like where we're going there is no alternative plan

[00:38:18] It's Laurent either he's getting bitten or we're all changing our minds about this religion

[00:38:22] But something has to do with maybe losang's doing some dirt behind the scenes

[00:38:25] You know or something like that that goes against the religion so hard that

[00:38:29] Everybody starts to question him. Maybe that's a clean slate

[00:38:32] Is what losang needs. He's like i'm just gonna kill all these people

[00:38:34] And then i'll get some new followers and i'll come up with a new theory

[00:38:38] But you know it really it feels more like the mr belvedere fan club up in here like they all just voted you're gonna kill him

[00:38:44] Yeah, let's kill him. Okay. Yeah, sounds good

[00:38:48] Anything else from this episode that stood out to y'all aj?

[00:38:52] Um

[00:38:53] No, like I said, I enjoyed I enjoyed the fact that we spent so much time on the flashback because I

[00:38:58] I enjoyed the kind of origin stories, but yeah, to me it was

[00:39:02] Daryl's stupid first-person shooter thing that should not have happened that he should be dead

[00:39:06] But you know obviously we know plot armor and and just the fun of the carol that

[00:39:10] That was drifting in the wrong direction and they totally course corrected in the right way where they made our our big bad

[00:39:16] Was actually a big bad because my fear was that like she was going to be neutered to the point where like

[00:39:22] Oh, well if carol can fool her in 10 seconds then what what's the point of this?

[00:39:25] So the fact that okay. She is a big bad cool. We know that losang is not necessarily

[00:39:33] Threatening but you know at least he's doing some evil stuff there and you know

[00:39:37] We'll see what but this just since is like but yeah, I like I like the course it's going there

[00:39:40] Uh, I just I just kind of want to get there already

[00:39:44] I like let's step up. I know I know it's we're halfway. So come on. Let's go. Let's go

[00:39:50] Jess any world where jacinta is the real big bad here and we're just like buying time so we get to her

[00:39:56] I don't know anything about jacinta

[00:39:58] She has a name

[00:40:01] It's gonna be one of those like beta situations where it's like oh, we killed alpha and now we got to go kill beta because he's the real boss

[00:40:08] But like

[00:40:10] You know at least with beta he had a backstory. I don't know anything about this lady

[00:40:14] She's just kind of hangs out and like has a nice braid and sometimes she makes apparently some kind of apple tart

[00:40:21] That gets fed to laran. I

[00:40:22] I presume

[00:40:24] She's there so I know something's gonna happen with her at least I hope

[00:40:28] Yes, like she's got a name now and so maybe we killed off some people we got some room to like give her some backstory

[00:40:35] So like if she's gonna maybe mount some kind of coup that could be interesting

[00:40:40] Yeah, but I

[00:40:43] I

[00:40:44] She might just be a lackey. She might just be like smead a low-sang's captain hook. I I don't really know yet. I don't have

[00:40:50] Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know remember when we were at the you know

[00:40:55] The final season of of the prop show proper and it was just like oh and you know, she's the big bit now

[00:41:01] Okay, but maybe maybe he's the big no

[00:41:04] No, maybe they have no and you know, no one ended up being the big bad. No big bad

[00:41:08] It was like there is no big bad dispatch dispatch dispatch

[00:41:10] You know, I I

[00:41:12] Mean I would love to see like an entire episode and I I will I will put press pause now

[00:41:16] And and if you want to give me like that 20 minute backstory on who just sent to is and how she's actually tied into people that we already know

[00:41:23] You know, there's something like bigger

[00:41:26] The going on here that you know, we can explore over the last few episodes and you know, and then the second half next next week

[00:41:31] Be the carol is rescued daryl is rescued and now it's full-on war like that

[00:41:35] That would be that would be fine with me

[00:41:37] But if we're not going to address it like right now and it's just going to be hey

[00:41:41] Lusang's dead. Hey janae's dead. Hey

[00:41:44] Let's get back to america like what then what was the point of this?

[00:41:47] Yeah, um, what's the red witch lady from game of thrones melisandra

[00:41:52] Yeah, she's like behind stannis baratheon going you should do this. You should definitely

[00:41:56] You should sacrifice your child. That's what's going to get them and your wife. You should do both of those things

[00:42:01] Matter of fact, you should go attack right now. I'm telling you the ice will melt all you'll do is kill your kid

[00:42:08] And everybody's like dang stannis you suck

[00:42:10] Man, well that red lady told me and then she's just gone. I really feel like just

[00:42:15] Has she's in the position to do something like that, right?

[00:42:19] She's pushing for this uh show of faith to make sure okay

[00:42:23] If if uh larat is our uh, our messiah prove it

[00:42:27] If they if

[00:42:29] Everyone's going to look at losang and be like now what and jacinta is going to be in a good spot to be next up

[00:42:35] I think that you know, they can really pivot to where like y'all said alpha and beta. I think is a great uh

[00:42:40] explanation

[00:42:40] I think we've done that before in the past where you think this isn't a bad guy

[00:42:44] But there's just another equation or crazy person waiting in the wings

[00:42:48] Question for you because I haven't been paying this close attention. Are we tyler jordening this?

[00:42:53] Who is losing and jacinta the same person?

[00:42:55] Oh god, no, I've seen him on screen at the same time

[00:42:58] Yeah, we've seen him on screen time, but has anyone else talked to her?

[00:43:01] Oh, is this just in his mind?

[00:43:03] Yeah, oh wow

[00:43:06] Okay, you have my attention

[00:43:07] Can we have something there?

[00:43:09] Yeah, or is it like a woman in the window situation where she's been dead the whole time?

[00:43:12] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, is there something like because I don't recall her having a scene and you know, oh we changed the plan

[00:43:17] We moved it up, but she told him that she told him that

[00:43:20] Yeah

[00:43:22] Yeah

[00:43:22] I think there's something there because they always show her it's like whenever he does something they cut to her like looking over like approvingly like

[00:43:29] Yeah, this is a part of my big plan and I can't figure out for the life of me

[00:43:33] Why we have to keep dealing with her in any way if she's not going to be you know important

[00:43:37] She doesn't do anything

[00:43:38] Yeah, I feel like she needs to be important to the story in some way

[00:43:41] So i'm very excited to see like what maybe they can do with that character if they decide to go that route

[00:43:45] I'll be very disappointed if they don't because right now i'm looking for any situation where this can make sense as far as

[00:43:52] You know what the outcome is for larant and this religious community

[00:43:56] Is it just they're they're never going to find out about larant because uh, um, marion's going to show up with carol and kill everybody?

[00:44:02] You know, what what exactly are we doing here? Why are you giving us a storyline if it's not going to have a like an ending that

[00:44:08] Will either allow us to move over to the next the walking dead series or to continue the walking dead daryl dixon?

[00:44:15] Um, you know, uh, I don't know if we've been given any word about there being a season three jess

[00:44:19] Um, have you heard anything? I haven't heard a thing

[00:44:22] The only thing i've seen is that on the imdb there is a

[00:44:26] Season three episode one placeholder which they don't always do

[00:44:31] so

[00:44:34] Yeah, yeah

[00:44:36] And there's a non-zero chance we're not even in france next year. So uh, yeah, there is that yeah be in springfield, oh,

[00:44:44] Sigh

[00:44:45] Jess anything else from the episode that you want to talk about?

[00:44:48] I want to talk about the actual set piece inside the louvre because I thought that was really cool

[00:44:53] I thought it was beautiful. They really got to shoot in there, which is amazing

[00:44:58] and also

[00:44:59] the fact

[00:45:00] that

[00:45:01] When the zombie apocalypse hit paris the first thing they did was lock down the louvre to protect the art

[00:45:07] I felt like that was a very french thing to do

[00:45:09] Very french

[00:45:10] It was very much in keeping

[00:45:11] With like they've really thought out this universe like what would be different here as opposed to in the us?

[00:45:18] Because I don't think the us like us probably didn't care about their art quite as much

[00:45:22] What what is our most prized

[00:45:24] Piece of art here in the us that we would just have to save right because uh

[00:45:28] We see that independence

[00:45:30] Yeah, like we would just that someone would just have to go get it and put it up on a wall and put it in a dining hall

[00:45:34] We certainly we certainly did that

[00:45:35] Yeah, we already did that on that field trip in the pro

[00:45:38] Oh, yeah, yeah, we did that one already I thought it was fascinating that she went and got it like

[00:45:43] I had someone who's like I would never it would never occur to me like the world is ending

[00:45:47] You can do pretty much whatever you want as long as you don't just get killed in the making go for it

[00:45:52] My idea would not be in and honestly, it's very impressive that that was her idea

[00:45:56] I mean amongst all the french people

[00:45:58] She's the only one who came up with or at least the first person who came up with

[00:46:01] But i'll just go steal the mona lisa

[00:46:03] I can take it

[00:46:04] Don't stop me. Yeah

[00:46:05] I mean there's a lot of art in there. Yeah, that's the first one i'm going for

[00:46:10] In the louvre probably because I don't think I could identify a lot of other paintings in the louvre

[00:46:15] I'm trying to remember what else I saw in the louvre because

[00:46:18] It all kinds of runs together like because i've been to the met a lot of times i've been to the rikes museum

[00:46:23] I've been to the louvre. Yeah, I feel very jaded by this

[00:46:26] But the only other one I can remember in the louvre is the one of like the two topless women

[00:46:30] One of them like tweaking the other one's nipple

[00:46:33] Might steal that one first just might not have been on point for her brand though

[00:46:37] Probably not. No, not for jenay

[00:46:39] Yeah, I mean we saw we saw in the fear universe that you know strand uh

[00:46:43] Fell upon the the art collector, you know in the tower, so

[00:46:47] I mean mona lisa is also really easy to move around because it's like that big

[00:46:51] Yeah, well, yeah, like like uh, the screen edward munch's the screen is also very very tiny

[00:46:56] It's not as big as people think it is and uh

[00:46:58] Uh, yeah, I I would I would I would go for christina's world by andrew wyatt

[00:47:03] That's a good one. Yeah, that'd be my my uh steal steal a painting if I had one

[00:47:07] Would you feel like the painting was mocking you because I feel like

[00:47:11] Marianne she doesn't really love the the mona lisa like she says she does

[00:47:15] She's kind of like yeah, there's something behind that smile. That's really starting to get under my skin

[00:47:19] It feels to me like there's a secret beef here

[00:47:22] And so she stole it, you know kind of as her her last gotcha to the to the art because

[00:47:27] I don't know it to me. It didn't feel like she had a lot of reverence for it

[00:47:30] It just was like they were always making eyes at each other or in the painting. I don't know. That's how it came off to me

[00:47:35] Yeah, it's more like she just did it to say she did it. I don't think she

[00:47:40] It's almost like it's almost like people that put an oscar in their bathroom

[00:47:43] Like we want an oscar. I'm just put it my bathroom to show how little I care about it

[00:47:47] Yeah, yeah

[00:47:48] Well, she's also she was also like, you know, she was saying how like, you know

[00:47:51] All the people came to museum from you know all around the world to see to see her and nobody nobody bothered to look at me

[00:47:58] You know, she's she's been dead and i'm alive and so now it's you know

[00:48:02] That represents that kind of like well now all the people will come to see me

[00:48:07] And I keep her in my in my bathroom next to my oscar

[00:48:12] It's a flex

[00:48:12] And my pomdor from con

[00:48:13] It's a flex

[00:48:14] It is a flex. I mean when you bring people in they're like, oh, you're like, oh, it's just a Mona lisa girl. Don't pay attention to that

[00:48:20] It's all right, you know, that's just a Mona

[00:48:21] You know, it's like you have the most valued painting in the world just sitting at your disposal

[00:48:27] Like it's kind of yeah, I think that's a really cool flex to have honestly, you know

[00:48:30] You're just eating dinner in front of it. It's like oh, yes

[00:48:33] It's all good. We have we have stuff like

[00:48:35] Oh who G over there? Yeah, G and I friends. Yeah, we go. Yeah, it's cool. It's all good

[00:48:39] Yeah, no, that was a really cool set piece. I was happy they brought in the lube

[00:48:42] I think I've asked before like, you know, how many how french is this going to get right?

[00:48:46] Like how how much are we going to actually lean into these uh, you know these monuments and stuff?

[00:48:50] I think we saw the eiffel tower in season one

[00:48:52] And so yeah, we did this

[00:48:55] Maybe the arc the triumph will be in season three or something, you know

[00:48:59] Really just started to I mean utilize this

[00:49:01] Why would you go to a completely different country?

[00:49:03] Um, especially a like an area that has such a rich history and all these big uh, like

[00:49:08] Set pieces that you can use

[00:49:10] And not utilize them to their full extent. I mean, we saw what they did with a submarine

[00:49:15] Uh in fear the walking dead

[00:49:17] We've seen what they've done with that that big tower that strand had, you know, you can really make a meal out of all of the stuff in Paris

[00:49:22] So I think it was a cool idea that they came here

[00:49:24] And uh, yeah, the piece about the louvre and the mona lisa. I thought that was um, pretty dope

[00:49:29] Uh, yeah, I think the biggest flex is probably repurposing mont saint michel for your secret fortress, but yeah

[00:49:36] Yeah, we don't talk about that enough, you know, they're like, oh, yeah, it's just at mont saint michel. What really?

[00:49:41] It's like, yeah

[00:49:43] They really didn't go check that

[00:49:45] Mm

[00:49:45] Yeah, that big fortress there like we're not gonna check that

[00:49:49] Yeah, I also like I also like the fact that you know

[00:49:52] Carol's an american

[00:49:53] You know who even if she's been here for for a number of years, you know

[00:49:58] The tattoo guy is just like

[00:49:59] Oh, it's you know, it's a fortress a few miles away. It's a very big fortress

[00:50:04] Like

[00:50:05] You know, how about name droppage? Because she can look it up in in the tourist guide, you know

[00:50:11] Well, he says there's a fortress three hours away and carol says okay great. I'm let me go grab my horse

[00:50:17] It's a few hour drive away great me and that horse will figure it out somehow which way left right

[00:50:22] No real direction at all just

[00:50:24] I'm just gonna slap the horse and be like go to the fortress the horse is like gotcha

[00:50:29] Mm

[00:50:29] Um, yeah, unfortunately she wasn't able to make it out of the fortune because she was backstabbed

[00:50:34] So that was yeah, the horse was gonna betray her anyway. The horse was not having it

[00:50:38] No, no

[00:50:38] Not at all

[00:50:39] Um, this was a good episode. I thought it was cool

[00:50:42] I thought like in the in the grand scheme of things like as a standalone walking dead episode

[00:50:46] I wasn't disappointed by anything

[00:50:48] I just you know, we know that we're pushing

[00:50:50] Uh, and moving to you know, what will be the end of this season where I think we're probably around the midpoint right?

[00:50:55] Jess at this point

[00:50:56] Yeah, this is literally the midpoint because we're getting six episodes

[00:50:59] This is the midpoint. Do you feel like we've we've now reached okay?

[00:51:03] We're creeping up on the peak of the action

[00:51:05] And now we gotta try to stick the landing. Um, i'm excited

[00:51:09] It but I you know, but I think that there's probably more to be left in imagination

[00:51:14] We wait a long time for these seasons sometimes

[00:51:16] It's all now i'm kind of like I don't want to say it's boring because it's not

[00:51:18] But I I want I want more I want more and I just haven't figured out what exactly it is that I do want

[00:51:25] I like that we've had some room to breathe though

[00:51:29] I I I you know the longer I watch this

[00:51:33] Franchise the more I appreciate it when we get to like stop and think about things

[00:51:39] Yeah, I feel I feel yeah, I I think for me, it's

[00:51:43] I I like the room to breathe and i'm fine if what you're trying to do is

[00:51:48] Hey, this is our monster of the week kind of thing here's like oh, and this is this

[00:51:53] You know carol's going to encounter these crazy scientists and you know, you know

[00:51:56] And then she'll go to the next step, but but the plot's moving but moving slowly

[00:51:59] I don't like it when it moves so fast. You're just like all right

[00:52:02] Look, although I want you to get there. I want it to be believable

[00:52:05] And you know, you know her turning turning left turning right following the grain and like oh i'm with the leader of the

[00:52:10] The person and now she's taking me in as a confidant seems very very uh

[00:52:15] Hasty. I'm glad they flipped that so once they flipped it i'm like, okay, cool

[00:52:19] As long as you're gonna flip it and say, you know, because yeah, what do we want?

[00:52:23] We want carol and darryl in the same room

[00:52:25] We definitely want that

[00:52:26] We don't want the ships to pass in the night and let this be like a four season search

[00:52:29] You know where they almost meet each other

[00:52:31] We want them to get to each other now. They're they're right outside each other's, you know

[00:52:36] Or is like next week

[00:52:38] Let's do it. Let's just get them together and then all bets are off for the for the you know

[00:52:43] We've hit the top of the roller coaster. Let's go. Let's go

[00:52:46] Yeah, I can't wait till next week

[00:52:48] It's gonna be very exciting to see that daryl and carol will probably be in the same room

[00:52:51] I don't know how much of the episode we actually spend with the two of them, but uh at the same exact time

[00:52:56] But I mean the pieces are all there. We're three episodes away from the finale of this and we then we have to find out

[00:53:02] Where we're going to next, uh, I don't know which

[00:53:04] Walking dead spinoff is coming up next

[00:53:06] I don't really know what

[00:53:08] How long it's gonna be until we get another season of this

[00:53:10] But I will be here to talk about it with you all here on the zombie kickback on recap kickback. AJ

[00:53:15] What do you got going on in your world?

[00:53:17] Oh, I got felonious pundits criminal minds rewatch and tides fence guard myself

[00:53:22] Uh, he's watching them for the first time. I watch them over and over again because I need some

[00:53:27] White noise to fall asleep to my wife and I just put criminal minds on and just let it run

[00:53:31] So i've probably seen these episodes like a hundred times

[00:53:34] Even if i'm not paying attention to them anymore, but uh, when you when you go in and analyze the details

[00:53:38] You find out all the stupid little things that are wrong with them

[00:53:40] And I think it's hysterical so uh, you can catch felonious pundits wherever your podcast can be streamed

[00:53:46] Thank you and jess. I will see you this week. Hopefully

[00:53:49] Very excited to get to hang in person. Um someday the three of us will be in one room at one same time

[00:53:56] As you know, I've been in the same room with aj i've been in the same room chappelle

[00:53:59] But never at the same time you guys might be the same person

[00:54:02] I'm, just saying it might be there might be

[00:54:04] It might be

[00:54:05] Yeah, I might be just into his loss. Absolutely. Yeah, uh, you working on anything any any books and manuscripts we need to be reading over

[00:54:14] Nah, I'm

[00:54:15] I have a sub stack now. This is very exciting. You can hit me up at just least at sub stack

[00:54:20] Dot com and I actually sent out my first thing last week

[00:54:24] See I was gonna write about daryl dixon and then we started talking about daryl dixon and I have nothing left

[00:54:29] I you know, I leave it all in the field here. So I want instead I talked a little bit about robot movies

[00:54:34] We saw the wild robot this week and um

[00:54:36] I was about to see it and I talked about how I thought they really screwed the marketing up on this

[00:54:41] Um movie is great by the way. I think it's worth seeing but

[00:54:45] We're still jury's still out. I'm like which robot movie we saw this year was the best was it robot dreams

[00:54:50] Is it wild robot or was it transformers one?

[00:54:53] You know, that's what I wrote about and i'm gonna try to write about something new and different every week until I get bored of it

[00:54:59] Or until I become a best-selling novelist and leave all this

[00:55:02] Okay, and we'll put uh the link to your sub stack uh in the in the show notes so people can find it

[00:55:09] And then of course they can check us out here every week as we talk about uh

[00:55:12] Season two of daryl dixon show uh right here on recap kickback

[00:55:16] Uh, you can also catch me on recap kickback talking about uh various other black entertainment news and uh recapping some shows

[00:55:22] We talked about how to die alone with our special guest matt scott this week

[00:55:26] Um, but then we also are this week. I guess we're talking about uh, mr crocker. Uh, mr crockett. I think it is

[00:55:32] Is the show on hulu? It's about a like, uh, I guess like a haunted child's, uh,

[00:55:37] I don't know children's store children's show kind of like mr

[00:55:39] rogers, but like a zombie I don't know, but we're gonna be checking it out me and mari

[00:55:42] Uh, and then of course you can check out everything else here on recap kickback.com

[00:55:46] Um, so for aj and for jess and for myself at recap kickback, of course, um, you all can just reach out

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[00:56:00] So we'll have something else to talk about on this show because we don't know where we're going either

[00:56:03] But we're on the journey with you all uh until next time you all can uh catch us here same time same place

[00:56:08] uh until then peace

[00:56:09] I'm breathing can't feel my chest wait on life. I wanna hold my breath. I'm getting my goddamn self